Dynasty league activity, or lack therof (1 Viewer)

[Pwingles]

I am wondering if any of you have problems with inactivity in your leagues? Not a lot of trades? Or even offers for that matter?
Or maybe just communication in general between owners?

If these are problems, why do you think this is?

If none of those things are an issue, what do you attribute it to?

Basically, I am experiencing this in our 3rd year dyno. Its still very young and it doesnt appear anyone is looking to exit the league, but the amount of activity is slim. There are a few active owners, sending out offers and combing the wire etc. But for the most part, 2/3 of the league is pretty quiet. Rarely any communication from a few guys at all.

Is this common for a lot of you guys?

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[Zyphros]

It's the dead part of the year. People are generally waiting right now for the NFL draft or rookie drafts to make deals (if any), so that's part of the answer you're looking for. The other part is, we really can't answer because we don't know your league.

What's really been a boost for my leagues is a facebook page. People put up pictures, videos, comment on how I want this player or that player regularly so give that a try maybe? It's a super easy way for communication across the league and quick responses in general for my leagues.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

In my 9th year dynasty things have hit a lull, bigtime. The last few offseasons have been pretty dead and this one is even worse. No activity at all, several guys that don't even respond to trades or league emails, etc. I guess people just get burnt out with the same league over time.

Meanwhile, in my other dynasty league that just started up this past year things are kicking full tilt. There have probably been 8 completed trades already this offseason and I've received at least 6 or 7 offers myself.

 

[Pwingles]

It's the dead part of the year. People are generally waiting right now for the NFL draft or rookie drafts to make deals (if any), so that's part of the answer you're looking for. The other part is, we really can't answer because we don't know your league.

What's really been a boost for my leagues is a facebook page. People put up pictures, videos, comment on how I want this player or that player regularly so give that a try maybe? It's a super easy way for communication across the league and quick responses in general for my leagues.

We have the FB page, it works pretty well, but what its really done is just make it easier for the already active players to be active.

I think you are likely right to some degree about this specific time of year, and i agree it can be expected. But this is even mid season for half of this league. If I didnt see 5-6 of these guys socially as often as i do, idk if there would be any activity tbh.

Some basic info about our league;

we use Flea Flicker

its very deep, 12 team, 40 man roster, with 4 IDP slots and PPR with 1.5 ppr for Te and flexible starting req's offensively

everyone in the league knows at least half of the league personally, but has met everyone else

starting season 3 this year

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Not at all, I actually boot guys that aren't active enough over a long enough period of time, when I've received enough complaints from other owners.

As for trade activity...Its unfair maybe, but the best way to have an insanely trade happy league is to have that activity present from the very beginning. Because a TON of the trades made in my leagues are only possible precisely BECAUSE all the owners know it's an active league. You don't have to take starting req's or roster makeup into consideration as often when you know if you gain value in a trade, you can eventually get where you want to be. If that makes sense. In a league where trading is rare, it stays that way because everyone's afraid of getting 'stuck' with their current roster at any given time. They're not worried about value, they're always worried about what roster they'll be stuck with in September if they make one trade and can't follow it up properly with others.

Think of it like a game of musical chairs, if you were allowed to stand in front of your chair. The more people willing to move when the music starts...well, the more it makes sense for more people to move and still have a reasonable shot at a chair. The more people that choose to play it conservatively and stand in front of their chair...well, the more other people will think "I should just do the same so I'm not screwed when the music stops, there's not many chairs out there."

Activity begets more activity, and it compounds over time. Because owners need to feel comfortable taking risks in the interest of playing the value game, and still have a reasonable chance to get their roster where they want it to be by the time the season starts.

 

[-CE-]

I am wondering if any of you have problems with inactivity in your leagues? Not a lot of trades? Or even offers for that matter?

Or maybe just communication in general between owners?

If these are problems, why do you think this is?

If none of those things are an issue, what do you attribute it to?

Basically, I am experiencing this in our 3rd year dyno. Its still very young and it doesnt appear anyone is looking to exit the league, but the amount of activity is slim. There are a few active owners, sending out offers and combing the wire etc. But for the most part, 2/3 of the league is pretty quiet. Rarely any communication from a few guys at all.

Is this common for a lot of you guys?

*Edit, Mods, if this needs to go to AC, sorry, move if necessary

What's the buy-in for this league? I've found that leagues which are $50 and under, this is a common problem.

 

[Pwingles]

I am wondering if any of you have problems with inactivity in your leagues? Not a lot of trades? Or even offers for that matter?

Or maybe just communication in general between owners?

If these are problems, why do you think this is?

If none of those things are an issue, what do you attribute it to?

Basically, I am experiencing this in our 3rd year dyno. Its still very young and it doesnt appear anyone is looking to exit the league, but the amount of activity is slim. There are a few active owners, sending out offers and combing the wire etc. But for the most part, 2/3 of the league is pretty quiet. Rarely any communication from a few guys at all.

Is this common for a lot of you guys?

*Edit, Mods, if this needs to go to AC, sorry, move if necessary

What's the buy-in for this league? I've found that leagues which are $50 and under, this is a common problem.

$50

 

[-CE-]

I am wondering if any of you have problems with inactivity in your leagues? Not a lot of trades? Or even offers for that matter?

Or maybe just communication in general between owners?

If these are problems, why do you think this is?

If none of those things are an issue, what do you attribute it to?

Basically, I am experiencing this in our 3rd year dyno. Its still very young and it doesnt appear anyone is looking to exit the league, but the amount of activity is slim. There are a few active owners, sending out offers and combing the wire etc. But for the most part, 2/3 of the league is pretty quiet. Rarely any communication from a few guys at all.

Is this common for a lot of you guys?

*Edit, Mods, if this needs to go to AC, sorry, move if necessary

What's the buy-in for this league? I've found that leagues which are $50 and under, this is a common problem.

$50

Yea, you've probably attracted too many casual owners. They either run like 3-5 of these and don't really pay attention to any during the offseason, or they run 1 and basically treat it has a redraft with three drafts.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I am wondering if any of you have problems with inactivity in your leagues? Not a lot of trades? Or even offers for that matter?

Or maybe just communication in general between owners?

If these are problems, why do you think this is?

If none of those things are an issue, what do you attribute it to?

Basically, I am experiencing this in our 3rd year dyno. Its still very young and it doesnt appear anyone is looking to exit the league, but the amount of activity is slim. There are a few active owners, sending out offers and combing the wire etc. But for the most part, 2/3 of the league is pretty quiet. Rarely any communication from a few guys at all.

Is this common for a lot of you guys?

*Edit, Mods, if this needs to go to AC, sorry, move if necessary

What's the buy-in for this league? I've found that leagues which are $50 and under, this is a common problem.

Haven't found this to be the case. $20 to one guy is $200 to another guy, there are people who get in over their heads or underachieve in their hobbies in every tax bracket.

It's when the poor guy invests the $200 that he feels really invested, but you can't tell who that is before the league starts, and if he's into FF he'd probably participate the same way for the $20.

Plus, there are plenty of extremely active free leagues (though I'm no longer in any). It's all about the owners you have.

 

[MAC_32]

I kick tires on trades in January. Then I don't again until at least April. Usually May. Betting I'm not alone.

 

[JonB86]

My most active league is a $25 one with a lot of variables Superflex, Tiered PPR, really flexible lineups, devys, etc because there are so many variables and a lot of flexibility it's easy to make deals (It's starts 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 1 Superflex and 4 Flex) and draft picks are devalued by the devy draft so they move around quite freely too.

I think for me it's about the owners and them being willing to send and receive offers. It's also someone's ability to understand that nobody starts out with their best offer so don't get too mad if you think it's on the lowball side, they are trying to let you know who they want, get back to them and work from there.

Getting rid of non-participating owners does have to happen from time to time as well, if you can't be bothered to negotiate deals and participate in the league why are you playing dynasty? Got too many leagues? Shave it down some!

As others have said though pre-draft and pre free agency there's always a lull to some degree in every league!

Some ideas for jazzing it up; in the league mentioned above we got our FA budget for the season on the opening day of the league year, we then run waivers once a month in the offseason, I spent the whole of my budget for the year on Duron Carter (I'm going to have problems cutting down and I just have a feeling about him) and guys spent good chunks on guys like Chris Matthews and Virgil Green as well! This got people talking and trading, I picked up Beasley for nothing, slapped a third rounder with him and got Glennon. Not a glamorous trade but those ones keep a league going!

I like firing out offers and working trades this time of year and have completely transformed my roster in the league mentioned above, loving it, couple of my other leagues that are pretty simple PPR dynasties are pretty dull this time of year though! And one of mine is waiting for a dispersal draft in March so everyone is kind of holding off in that one!

 

[JohnnyU]

A major problem with dynasty leagues is when you get too many predominately redraft players in them. They don't believe in year long activity and usually end up out of their league within 2 or 3 years when their team is old and have already traded all their draft picks for the next two years.

 

[menobrown]

It's a slow time of year.

I play in a lot of FFPC dynasty leagues and a lot of owners are critical of both the early cut down date, February 28th, and fact we have to cut down to 16 players. But one thing that rule has done is make the activity in those leagues fantastic right now. I'm in some private leagues with a lot of the same people as the FFPC leagues and the activity level is way less-not even close really. Those leagues have larger roster sizes and later cut down dates.

So not saying the leagues need to have cut down dates this early or this small of a roster size but it certainly seems to me that early cuts and smaller rosters are greatly forcing activity.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

1. Too iffy a time to be trading when there is so much uncertainty as to potential cuts, landing spots of free agents, vet roles wiped out by high NFL draft picks to come. Unless trading draft picks or sure stud players, it's just not worth the uncertainty when there's no reason not to wait until after the NFL draft.

2. FWIW, in general the shorter the rosters and larger the FA pool, the less trading, and vice versa. And if a league shuts down offseason waivers that's a double-edged sword; the only way to alter rosters is through trade, but if there is no FA activity allowed many owners go into hibernation mode until closer to the rookie draft.

 

[Mister CIA]

Pro Tip #1: if you want more trading activity, send out more trade offers.

Pro Tip #2: Send trade offers that are mutually beneficial. If you want to inflame apathy, then proceed with lowball offers.

Pro Tip #3: There is nothing more valuable in the dynasty FF universe than youth and potential. Unless a win-now situation is close to fruition, there is no short cut to Shangri-La. Don't even bother. Well, you can bother, but just don't complain when your offer gets rejected.

Pro Tip #4: Draft better. I'm not the world's best drafter, but feeling satisfied with the results of my draft suppress my desire to deal.

Pro Tip #5: Overpay! If you really want a player, prove it.

 

[Run It Up]

Pro Tip #1: if you want more trading activity, send out more trade offers.

Pro Tip #2: Send trade offers that are mutually beneficial. If you want to inflame apathy, then proceed with lowball offers.

Pro Tip #3: There is nothing more valuable in the dynasty FF universe than youth and potential. Unless a win-now situation is close to fruition, there is no short cut to Shangri-La. Don't even bother. Well, you can bother, but just don't complain when your offer gets rejected.

Pro Tip #4: Draft better. I'm not the world's best drafter, but feeling satisfied with the results of my draft suppress my desire to deal.

Pro Tip #5: Overpay! If you really want a player, prove it.

2. FWIW, in general the shorter the rosters and larger the FA pool, the less trading, and vice versa. And if a league shuts down offseason waivers that's a double-edged sword; the only way to alter rosters is through trade, but if there is no FA activity allowed many owners go into hibernation mode until closer to the rookie draft.

All this

 

[ILUVBEER99]

i've been extremely lucky that both my dynasty leagues are very active with great owners, but the longer they go on there is less trading activity. i don't think that means bad owners at all, just after a few years people have built their team how they want it for the most part.

 

[Chapelboy]

1) add a salary cap and use actual NFL salaries and contracts from spotrac.com

2) start your league year so that it coincides with the NFL league year and FA (Mar 12 I believe)

3) start your offseason around mid-Feb and let owners know they have until 4pm EDT of 12 Mar to be at or under the cap

4) sit back and watch the activity go nuts as folks try to get under the cap via trades

5) start your FA period same time as the NFLs, and let teams bid on UFA

this has filled our offseason gap for many years.

 

[Slapdash]

Pro Tip #2: Send trade offers that are mutually beneficial. If you want to inflame apathy, then proceed with lowball offers.

Yeah. Quit sending offers of three pieces of trash for my young prospects and I may be more willing to respond.

 

[mlball77]

For my primary league, it is still pretty active, but it isn't the same as it was 5+ years ago. When the group started out together, it was mostly college-aged dudes or those young in their career (with a couple of exceptions). The initial demographic has changed; everyone is now out of college and well into their careers, and a bunch are now married with kids.

With the change in demographics, the league just won't be as active. Fortunately, the foundation was laid for a good level of activity, but it isn't quite the same as it was 5+ years ago (that level of activity wasn't sustainable, in my estimation).

I try to encourage interest/activity in the slow times with things like league polls, message board discussions, and (recently) a few offseason dates on the calendar for trade talk sessions in the chat module at our league page. None of this has a huge impact on activitity in the league, but cumulatively, I do think it moves the needle a bit.

 

[JackReacher]

Pro Tip #2: Send trade offers that are mutually beneficial. If you want to inflame apathy, then proceed with lowball offers.

Yeah. Quit sending offers of three pieces of trash for my young prospects and I may be more willing to respond.

RIP

 

[ShamrockPride]

I don't think it's fair to complain or penalize owners for not being tradeaholics unless it is written in your leagues rules that owners need to be dealing on a consistent basis. Some people just aren't big into trading, they'd rather build through WW and the rookie drafts with the occasional trade. Some people feel content with their teams and are comfortable where they are. Unless it is an issue presented at time of an owner joining, you can't freak because an owner isn't as psycho about moving players 24/7 as you are.

 

[renesauz]

Pro Tip #2: Send trade offers that are mutually beneficial. If you want to inflame apathy, then proceed with lowball offers.

Yeah. Quit sending offers of three pieces of trash for my young prospects and I may be more willing to respond.

1000X this. Some of the biggest complainers about activity also send out some of the most lopsided offers, and then wonder "No counter?"

 

[Zdravko]

Pro Tip #2: Send trade offers that are mutually beneficial. If you want to inflame apathy, then proceed with lowball offers.

Yeah. Quit sending offers of three pieces of trash for my young prospects and I may be more willing to respond.

1000X this. Some of the biggest complainers about activity also send out some of the most lopsided offers, and then wonder "No counter?"

I find this lazy and juvenile. So you are saying that you guys got an offer you didn't like (shocking!!) and you decided to ignore it and the owner it came from? What do you do next - go deeper in hibernation, while you wait for someone to bring you on a silver platter 3 studs for your second rounder?

When I get an offer I consider garbage, I explain that I am not interested in players X and Y or that I value player Z much higher for these reasons. I routinely use FBG and DLF dynasty rankings to support my view. Then I look for a counter for a player I like - or a player I am secretly trying to get rid of. Most of time that simple courtesy actually gets some proper trade talk going. Even if it doesn't always end up in a trade, it gives me valuable insights into how others think and it helps me build relationships that are critical for future trades.

Proper dynasty trade activity is a very valuable and rare thing. Don't owners with your attitude help suppress it?

 

[KellysHeroes]

I think it's a combo of bad press from the nfl and people are moving towards weekly leagues. I suspect as we get closer to draft it'll get better

 

[tdmills]

Pro Tip #2: Send trade offers that are mutually beneficial. If you want to inflame apathy, then proceed with lowball offers.

Yeah. Quit sending offers of three pieces of trash for my young prospects and I may be more willing to respond.

1000X this. Some of the biggest complainers about activity also send out some of the most lopsided offers, and then wonder "No counter?"

I find this lazy and juvenile. So you are saying that you guys got an offer you didn't like (shocking!!) and you decided to ignore it and the owner it came from? What do you do next - go deeper in hibernation, while you wait for someone to bring you on a silver platter 3 studs for your second rounder?

When I get an offer I consider garbage, I explain that I am not interested in players X and Y or that I value player Z much higher for these reasons. I routinely use FBG and DLF dynasty rankings to support my view. Then I look for a counter for a player I like - or a player I am secretly trying to get rid of. Most of time that simple courtesy actually gets some proper trade talk going. Even if it doesn't always end up in a trade, it gives me valuable insights into how others think and it helps me build relationships that are critical for future trades.

Proper dynasty trade activity is a very valuable and rare thing. Don't owners with your attitude help suppress it?

Most trade offers aren't equal in both owners eyes because we all value players differently. Ignoring owners completely only hurts your team because it cuts off 1/12, 1/10, 1/14, 1/32 of your potential trade partners and honestly it's immature. Pride is a dangerous thing.

 

[voiceofunreason]

Pro Tip #2: Send trade offers that are mutually beneficial. If you want to inflame apathy, then proceed with lowball offers.

Yeah. Quit sending offers of three pieces of trash for my young prospects and I may be more willing to respond.

1000X this. Some of the biggest complainers about activity also send out some of the most lopsided offers, and then wonder "No counter?"

I find this lazy and juvenile. So you are saying that you guys got an offer you didn't like (shocking!!) and you decided to ignore it and the owner it came from? What do you do next - go deeper in hibernation, while you wait for someone to bring you on a silver platter 3 studs for your second rounder?

When I get an offer I consider garbage, I explain that I am not interested in players X and Y or that I value player Z much higher for these reasons. I routinely use FBG and DLF dynasty rankings to support my view. Then I look for a counter for a player I like - or a player I am secretly trying to get rid of. Most of time that simple courtesy actually gets some proper trade talk going. Even if it doesn't always end up in a trade, it gives me valuable insights into how others think and it helps me build relationships that are critical for future trades.

Proper dynasty trade activity is a very valuable and rare thing. Don't owners with your attitude help suppress it?

Most trade offers aren't equal in both owners eyes because we all value players differently. Ignoring owners completely only hurts your team because it cuts off 1/12, 1/10, 1/14, 1/32 of your potential trade partners and honestly it's immature. Pride is a dangerous thing.

If I get nothing but horrible offers from someone and the trades I see them make are all awful, I ignore them. It's stupid not to.

 

[tdmills]

Pro Tip #2: Send trade offers that are mutually beneficial. If you want to inflame apathy, then proceed with lowball offers.

Yeah. Quit sending offers of three pieces of trash for my young prospects and I may be more willing to respond.

1000X this. Some of the biggest complainers about activity also send out some of the most lopsided offers, and then wonder "No counter?"

I find this lazy and juvenile. So you are saying that you guys got an offer you didn't like (shocking!!) and you decided to ignore it and the owner it came from? What do you do next - go deeper in hibernation, while you wait for someone to bring you on a silver platter 3 studs for your second rounder?

When I get an offer I consider garbage, I explain that I am not interested in players X and Y or that I value player Z much higher for these reasons. I routinely use FBG and DLF dynasty rankings to support my view. Then I look for a counter for a player I like - or a player I am secretly trying to get rid of. Most of time that simple courtesy actually gets some proper trade talk going. Even if it doesn't always end up in a trade, it gives me valuable insights into how others think and it helps me build relationships that are critical for future trades.

Proper dynasty trade activity is a very valuable and rare thing. Don't owners with your attitude help suppress it?

Most trade offers aren't equal in both owners eyes because we all value players differently. Ignoring owners completely only hurts your team because it cuts off 1/12, 1/10, 1/14, 1/32 of your potential trade partners and honestly it's immature. Pride is a dangerous thing.

If I get nothing but horrible offers from someone and the trades I see them make are all awful, I ignore them. It's stupid not to.

This is the same thing as ignoring Anquan Boldin because he's old or this other player because you don't like them. At some point, everything represents value and has a purpose. You'd be surprised that if you set up boundaries/guidelines through communication "i'm not interested in this player" "I value this player more" it can go a long way and deals can get done.

 

[shady inc]

We can't trade in the off season til next years dues are paid, and the commish doesn't collect til this time of year

 

[Mister CIA]

Pro Tip #2: Send trade offers that are mutually beneficial. If you want to inflame apathy, then proceed with lowball offers.

Yeah. Quit sending offers of three pieces of trash for my young prospects and I may be more willing to respond.

1000X this. Some of the biggest complainers about activity also send out some of the most lopsided offers, and then wonder "No counter?"

I find this lazy and juvenile. So you are saying that you guys got an offer you didn't like (shocking!!) and you decided to ignore it and the owner it came from? What do you do next - go deeper in hibernation, while you wait for someone to bring you on a silver platter 3 studs for your second rounder?

When I get an offer I consider garbage, I explain that I am not interested in players X and Y or that I value player Z much higher for these reasons. I routinely use FBG and DLF dynasty rankings to support my view. Then I look for a counter for a player I like - or a player I am secretly trying to get rid of. Most of time that simple courtesy actually gets some proper trade talk going. Even if it doesn't always end up in a trade, it gives me valuable insights into how others think and it helps me build relationships that are critical for future trades.

Proper dynasty trade activity is a very valuable and rare thing. Don't owners with your attitude help suppress it?

What the heck is proper dynasty trade activity?

While I never ignore crap offers I certainly don't view them as an opportunity to begin negotiations. If someone is too lazy to send me a reasonable offer for a player they want, I'm not going to do their heavy lifting.

 

[Mister CIA]

Pro Tip #2: Send trade offers that are mutually beneficial. If you want to inflame apathy, then proceed with lowball offers.

Yeah. Quit sending offers of three pieces of trash for my young prospects and I may be more willing to respond.

1000X this. Some of the biggest complainers about activity also send out some of the most lopsided offers, and then wonder "No counter?"

I find this lazy and juvenile. So you are saying that you guys got an offer you didn't like (shocking!!) and you decided to ignore it and the owner it came from? What do you do next - go deeper in hibernation, while you wait for someone to bring you on a silver platter 3 studs for your second rounder?

When I get an offer I consider garbage, I explain that I am not interested in players X and Y or that I value player Z much higher for these reasons. I routinely use FBG and DLF dynasty rankings to support my view. Then I look for a counter for a player I like - or a player I am secretly trying to get rid of. Most of time that simple courtesy actually gets some proper trade talk going. Even if it doesn't always end up in a trade, it gives me valuable insights into how others think and it helps me build relationships that are critical for future trades.

Proper dynasty trade activity is a very valuable and rare thing. Don't owners with your attitude help suppress it?

Most trade offers aren't equal in both owners eyes because we all value players differently. Ignoring owners completely only hurts your team because it cuts off 1/12, 1/10, 1/14, 1/32 of your potential trade partners and honestly it's immature. Pride is a dangerous thing.

If I get nothing but horrible offers from someone and the trades I see them make are all awful, I ignore them. It's stupid not to.

This is the same thing as ignoring Anquan Boldin because he's old or this other player because you don't like them. At some point, everything represents value and has a purpose. You'd be surprised that if you set up boundaries/guidelines through communication "i'm not interested in this player" "I value this player more" it can go a long way and deals can get done.

I completely disagree with the bolded.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Pro Tip #2: Send trade offers that are mutually beneficial. If you want to inflame apathy, then proceed with lowball offers.

Yeah. Quit sending offers of three pieces of trash for my young prospects and I may be more willing to respond.

1000X this. Some of the biggest complainers about activity also send out some of the most lopsided offers, and then wonder "No counter?"

I find this lazy and juvenile. So you are saying that you guys got an offer you didn't like (shocking!!) and you decided to ignore it and the owner it came from? What do you do next - go deeper in hibernation, while you wait for someone to bring you on a silver platter 3 studs for your second rounder?

When I get an offer I consider garbage, I explain that I am not interested in players X and Y or that I value player Z much higher for these reasons. I routinely use FBG and DLF dynasty rankings to support my view. Then I look for a counter for a player I like - or a player I am secretly trying to get rid of. Most of time that simple courtesy actually gets some proper trade talk going. Even if it doesn't always end up in a trade, it gives me valuable insights into how others think and it helps me build relationships that are critical for future trades.

Proper dynasty trade activity is a very valuable and rare thing. Don't owners with your attitude help suppress it?

What the heck is proper dynasty trade activity?While I never ignore crap offers I certainly don't view them as an opportunity to begin negotiations. If someone is too lazy to send me a reasonable offer for a player they want, I'm not going to do their heavy lifting.

My only criteria for "proper" league activity is-at least freaking respond and visit the site once in a blue moon. In one of my leagues there are several owners that don't even respond to offers (and I don't believe I send out lowball/bad offers, they may not like them but they're not lowball offers) and don't even visit the site for months at a time or vote in league polls.

I think-as someone mentioned above-there are super casual owners who just aren't that invested. They put their teams on autopilot and show up at rookie drafts and when preseason starts (maybe).

I'm not much of a trader myself and don't expect that anyone else needs to be in order to be considered "active". But at least come to the site, respond to offers, and vote in polls. I don't understand why some of these owners even bother playing.

 

[Pwingles]

I agree with your last sentence there.

It might've been misunderstood based on how the OP is worded, but I was including even general communication as activity. Not just making offers, and negotiating and whatnot.

I guess i cant expect everyone to enjoy the year round aspect of dyno leagues as much as I do, but isn't that aspect of it one of the things that sets it apart from redrafts and makes people want to participate in them? It was mentioned before, but I do think there are a couple of people who do treat it like a redraft type situation, or rather, have only played re drafts and dont have any interest in the strategy that comes along with building a team slowly.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I would never stay in a league with inactive owners who basically just draft guys and hold them forever while setting their lineups every week. That's why I commish or co-commish every league I'm in, I replace those types of owners.

 

[Hoosier16]

I would never stay in a league with inactive owners who basically just draft guys and hold them forever while setting their lineups every week. That's why I commish or co-commish every league I'm in, I replace those types of owners.

What if they win every year?

 

[Hoosier16]

I guess i cant expect everyone to enjoy the year round aspect of dyno leagues as much as I do, but isn't that aspect of it one of the things that sets it apart from redrafts and makes people want to participate in them?

I trade some, but use mostly a draft and develop strategy. The primary appeal to me is being able to keep uncovered rookie talent. I'm active year round, but that doesn't mean I'm actively trading year round.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I would never stay in a league with inactive owners who basically just draft guys and hold them forever while setting their lineups every week. That's why I commish or co-commish every league I'm in, I replace those types of owners.

You replace owners that draft players they want and won't trade them away because someone else wants them?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I would never stay in a league with inactive owners who basically just draft guys and hold them forever while setting their lineups every week. That's why I commish or co-commish every league I'm in, I replace those types of owners.

What if they win every year?

That type of owner doesn't win much of anything.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I would never stay in a league with inactive owners who basically just draft guys and hold them forever while setting their lineups every week. That's why I commish or co-commish every league I'm in, I replace those types of owners.

You replace owners that draft players they want and won't trade them away because someone else wants them?

No, I replace owners who treat the league as a redraft that drafts rookies once a year. They're free to go find a league where that's acceptable.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I would never stay in a league with inactive owners who basically just draft guys and hold them forever while setting their lineups every week. That's why I commish or co-commish every league I'm in, I replace those types of owners.

You replace owners that draft players they want and won't trade them away because someone else wants them?

No, I replace owners who treat the league as a redraft that drafts rookies once a year. They're free to go find a league where that's acceptable.

What if all they get are ####ty offers? I'm in a league run by a very good guy (that posts a ton here) but the other guys in that league do nothing but send ####ty lowball offers. I'm not accepting any of them. By the way, I won that league last year too.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I would never stay in a league with inactive owners who basically just draft guys and hold them forever while setting their lineups every week. That's why I commish or co-commish every league I'm in, I replace those types of owners.

You replace owners that draft players they want and won't trade them away because someone else wants them?

No, I replace owners who treat the league as a redraft that drafts rookies once a year. They're free to go find a league where that's acceptable.

What if all they get are ####ty offers? I'm in a league run by a very good guy (that posts a ton here) but the other guys in that league do nothing but send ####ty lowball offers. I'm not accepting any of them. By the way, I won that league last year too.

That's understandable, but I don't fill my leagues with guys like that. I've been doing dynasty long enough to have done a good amount of "dynasty networking". I know what I'm getting with a guy either by knowing them in a league already or through a referral from an owner I do have personal experience with. But if I take a chance on someone and they aren't the type of owner I'm looking for, I boot them. And I give myself that power in the Bylaws and I'm open about doing what's best for the league as a whole. Doesn't happen a ton because eventually you get the right mix of owners. In your situation, I'd see no reason to be in a league where all I get are ####ty offers. Doesn't sound fun even if it's easy money, so to speak. I want to be challenged and enjoy my leagues, if my goal was to reliably make money off of dynasty I'd either join a bunch of ####ty leagues or find another hobby where it was easier to make money with less time investment.

I highly recommend, if you're starting a league you want to be active, getting owners you already know or asking owners you consider to be good for recommendations. I started a league 2-3 years ago with half owners I vetted, and half twitter people that responded to some advertisements for the league. I replaced four out of those 7 twitter finds over the next year and a half and haven't had a problem with activity since.

 

[MAC_32]

Before last year when I acquired Jimmy Graham the only trades I made over two plus years were for falling off the cliff backs Michael Turner and Frank Gore. Their owner was dead and I needed flex insurance for the playoffs, so I gave them wide receiver prospects I didn't believe in for them. One title, three straight playoff appearances.

Lack of trading doesn't equal lack of activity.

 

[MAC_32]

In fact, my worst dynasty team is the one in which I have made the most trades, by a lot. I'm making a concerted effort to scale back the trading.

 

[JackReacher]

I would never stay in a league with inactive owners who basically just draft guys and hold them forever while setting their lineups every week. That's why I commish or co-commish every league I'm in, I replace those types of owners.

You replace owners that draft players they want and won't trade them away because someone else wants them?

No, I replace owners who treat the league as a redraft that drafts rookies once a year. They're free to go find a league where that's acceptable.

What if all they get are ####ty offers? I'm in a league run by a very good guy (that posts a ton here) but the other guys in that league do nothing but send ####ty lowball offers. I'm not accepting any of them. By the way, I won that league last year too.

That's understandable, but I don't fill my leagues with guys like that. I've been doing dynasty long enough to have done a good amount of "dynasty networking". I know what I'm getting with a guy either by knowing them in a league already or through a referral from an owner I do have personal experience with. But if I take a chance on someone and they aren't the type of owner I'm looking for, I boot them. And I give myself that power in the Bylaws and I'm open about doing what's best for the league as a whole. Doesn't happen a ton because eventually you get the right mix of owners. In your situation, I'd see no reason to be in a league where all I get are ####ty offers. Doesn't sound fun even if it's easy money, so to speak. I want to be challenged and enjoy my leagues, if my goal was to reliably make money off of dynasty I'd either join a bunch of ####ty leagues or find another hobby where it was easier to make money with less time investment.

I highly recommend, if you're starting a league you want to be active, getting owners you already know or asking owners you consider to be good for recommendations. I started a league 2-3 years ago with half owners I vetted, and half twitter people that responded to some advertisements for the league. I replaced four out of those 7 twitter finds over the next year and a half and haven't had a problem with activity since.

Trying to get a better hand on this. How many trades are one supposed to make. Patient rebuilds through rookie drafts are not acceptable? Serious questions.

 

[Amused to Death]

Not at all, I actually boot guys that aren't active enough over a long enough period of time, when I've received enough complaints from other owners.

As for trade activity...Its unfair maybe, but the best way to have an insanely trade happy league is to have that activity present from the very beginning. Because a TON of the trades made in my leagues are only possible precisely BECAUSE all the owners know it's an active league. You don't have to take starting req's or roster makeup into consideration as often when you know if you gain value in a trade, you can eventually get where you want to be. If that makes sense. In a league where trading is rare, it stays that way because everyone's afraid of getting 'stuck' with their current roster at any given time. They're not worried about value, they're always worried about what roster they'll be stuck with in September if they make one trade and can't follow it up properly with others.

Think of it like a game of musical chairs, if you were allowed to stand in front of your chair. The more people willing to move when the music starts...well, the more it makes sense for more people to move and still have a reasonable shot at a chair. The more people that choose to play it conservatively and stand in front of their chair...well, the more other people will think "I should just do the same so I'm not screwed when the music stops, there's not many chairs out there."

Activity begets more activity, and it compounds over time. Because owners need to feel comfortable taking risks in the interest of playing the value game, and still have a reasonable chance to get their roster where they want it to be by the time the season starts.

I view trades as a tool to help build your team, not as a requirement to stay in the league. Too many bad trades can also ruin a league. Over the 12 year course of our salary cap contract league I doubt I make more than 1 or 2 trades a year, but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who would label me as a bad owner.

I think its much more important to have owners that participate in league discussions and are competitive year after year. Counting the number of trades they make doesn't seem like a good way to judge good/bad owners. I can make 20 trades this year - doesn't make me a good owner or even a competitive one.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Not at all, I actually boot guys that aren't active enough over a long enough period of time, when I've received enough complaints from other owners.As for trade activity...Its unfair maybe, but the best way to have an insanely trade happy league is to have that activity present from the very beginning. Because a TON of the trades made in my leagues are only possible precisely BECAUSE all the owners know it's an active league. You don't have to take starting req's or roster makeup into consideration as often when you know if you gain value in a trade, you can eventually get where you want to be. If that makes sense. In a league where trading is rare, it stays that way because everyone's afraid of getting 'stuck' with their current roster at any given time. They're not worried about value, they're always worried about what roster they'll be stuck with in September if they make one trade and can't follow it up properly with others.Think of it like a game of musical chairs, if you were allowed to stand in front of your chair. The more people willing to move when the music starts...well, the more it makes sense for more people to move and still have a reasonable shot at a chair. The more people that choose to play it conservatively and stand in front of their chair...well, the more other people will think "I should just do the same so I'm not screwed when the music stops, there's not many chairs out there."

Activity begets more activity, and it compounds over time. Because owners need to feel comfortable taking risks in the interest of playing the value game, and still have a reasonable chance to get their roster where they want it to be by the time the season starts.

I view trades as a tool to help build your team, not as a requirement to stay in the league. Too many bad trades can also ruin a league. Over the 12 year course of our salary cap contract league I doubt I make more than 1 or 2 trades a year, but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who would label me as a bad owner.I think its much more important to have owners that participate in league discussions and are competitive year after year. Counting the number of trades they make doesn't seem like a good way to judge good/bad owners. I can make 20 trades this year - doesn't make me a good owner or even a competitive one.

I think you're placing your own meaning behind the words I typed. I never said an active league had to have a ton of trades--I said that the more trades a league has, the more trades it will have in the future--just an observation, or a theory if you like based on what I've seen. I laid it all out, but it wasn't any type of condemnation of owners who trade less or leagues that see less trade activity.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I would never stay in a league with inactive owners who basically just draft guys and hold them forever while setting their lineups every week. That's why I commish or co-commish every league I'm in, I replace those types of owners.

You replace owners that draft players they want and won't trade them away because someone else wants them?

No, I replace owners who treat the league as a redraft that drafts rookies once a year. They're free to go find a league where that's acceptable.

What if all they get are ####ty offers? I'm in a league run by a very good guy (that posts a ton here) but the other guys in that league do nothing but send ####ty lowball offers. I'm not accepting any of them. By the way, I won that league last year too.

That's understandable, but I don't fill my leagues with guys like that. I've been doing dynasty long enough to have done a good amount of "dynasty networking". I know what I'm getting with a guy either by knowing them in a league already or through a referral from an owner I do have personal experience with. But if I take a chance on someone and they aren't the type of owner I'm looking for, I boot them. And I give myself that power in the Bylaws and I'm open about doing what's best for the league as a whole. Doesn't happen a ton because eventually you get the right mix of owners. In your situation, I'd see no reason to be in a league where all I get are ####ty offers. Doesn't sound fun even if it's easy money, so to speak. I want to be challenged and enjoy my leagues, if my goal was to reliably make money off of dynasty I'd either join a bunch of ####ty leagues or find another hobby where it was easier to make money with less time investment.

I highly recommend, if you're starting a league you want to be active, getting owners you already know or asking owners you consider to be good for recommendations. I started a league 2-3 years ago with half owners I vetted, and half twitter people that responded to some advertisements for the league. I replaced four out of those 7 twitter finds over the next year and a half and haven't had a problem with activity since.

Trying to get a better hand on this. How many trades are one supposed to make. Patient rebuilds through rookie drafts are not acceptable? Serious questions.

It's not about that. You can be a great owner and never trade, or rarely trade. But it's less frequently found than you'd think. If you aren't trying to improve, you aren't trying hard enough. And there are always opportunities to improve via trade. There are definitely long stretches of time where it's unnecessary to trade. And there are definitely rosters out there that are in wait-and-see mode, with no need to trade, though that's up to the interpretation of the owner.

But on the other hand, trading is a very important tool in any dynasty owners kit. Someone who rarely or never uses that tool...I have a hard time imagining that owner is a great dynasty owner. No offense intended towards anyone in particular.

 

[Hoosier16]

I would never stay in a league with inactive owners who basically just draft guys and hold them forever while setting their lineups every week. That's why I commish or co-commish every league I'm in, I replace those types of owners.

What if they win every year?

That type of owner doesn't win much of anything.

You're right, not if they get kicked out of the league.

The least active owner in our league won this year. He always has all of his picks each year. Rarely trades. This year, he won, led by ODB, Bell, and Antonio Brown, all players he drafted and held. Lucky? Maybe, but he would not have had a chance in your league.

There are more ways to build a team than by trading. I'd view a league run by you where you have to actively make trades just as restrictive and suffocating as a league where you have positional limits. Both stifle creativity and strategy in building a dynasty. You ought to rethink your views.

 

[Hoosier16]

But on the other hand, trading is a very important tool in any dynasty owners kit. Someone who rarely or never uses that tool...I have a hard time imagining that owner is a great dynasty owner. No offense intended towards anyone in particular.

I couldn't disagree more. Why should I trade with you when I have already done the research and know I have the better players? The only reason I can think of is to obtain your future draft picks, which is what 75% of my trades comprise. There are many owners who draft only players they like and believe in. Why would you expect them to trade them to you?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

But on the other hand, trading is a very important tool in any dynasty owners kit. Someone who rarely or never uses that tool...I have a hard time imagining that owner is a great dynasty owner. No offense intended towards anyone in particular.

I couldn't disagree more. Why should I trade with you when I have already done the research and know I have the better players? The only reason I can think of is to obtain your future draft picks, which is what 75% of my trades comprise. There are many owners who draft only players they like and believe in. Why would you expect them to trade them to you?

You're reading what you want into what I said. I don't require teams in my leagues to make trades. If they are active in league discussions and respond to trade offers they can do whatever they wish with their roster. I've removed owners for being inactive, which isn't the same as not trading. I've discussed both topics in this thread so I can see why you might think I equate trade activity with general activity.

Separately from that, it is my personal opinion that an owner who isn't using trades to bolster the roster they've drafted can't possibly be a great owner. Because it's not that that type of owner looks for deals and just doesn't see anything that helps--I do that all the time. The type of owner I'm talking about doesn't even look at potential trades on their end because they think their roster is 100% set.

Sorry, this is a game of constantly shifting values where your competition has totally unpredictable and arbitrary values of his or her own--there are always trade opportunities to improve your roster. Not trading when you don't see those opportunities is understandable. NEVER using that tool is different--that's neglecting a huge asset.