[DYNASTY] LenDale White (1 Viewer)

[Kit Fisto]

From every site and every mock draft out there, I have taken this away from them...

Reggie Bush is the slam-dunk #1.

Williams, Maroney and Addai vary, but are always 2, 3 and 4.

LenDale White is always #5.

Is he going at 5 because of his risk, or are the 4 being drafted above him that much better? I ask because I fluctuate between being a no-guts, no-glory kind of FFer, but with high draft picks...

 

[sholditch]

Personally I think anyone who rates Addai over White is insane, especially for dynasty.

 

[diesel7982]

Personally I think anyone who rates Addai over White is insane, especially for dynasty.

You like the potential long-term #1 in TEN better than the potential long-term #1 in Indy?

Assuming the two situations were equal, which they are certainly not, I sure would worry about the potential scoring of a RB sharing goalline touches with Vince Young.

 

[mightyeskimo]

Personally I think anyone who rates Addai over White is insane, especially for dynasty.

I respectfully disagree. I think Addai is a more attractive option than White in a dynasty league for the following reasons:1. Addai has a better QB in Manning. Not to trash Vince but it's certainly going to take some time before Young becomes that good. And, there is going to be a QB change coming up which could always affect a RB's performance.

2. Addai has a better O-Line. Even with the addition of Mawae Ten still has a ways to go to become a solid force up front.

3. Addai has better WR's. Harrison, Wayne, Stokely, Clark. A much more talented and experienced core that is already working well together. It's going to take time for Ten to develop that kind of Chemistry.

4. Addai has a better defense. The Colts have really made strides on D which will help keep the ball in the hands of their offense moreso than Ten.

5. Addai is a more talented back in the pro game at this point. Better pass blocker, better receiver out of the backfield, and a shiftier runner. Not that White is a poor RB. It's just that he's not as good as Joseph in those areas yet.

6. Addai is healthy at this point. White may or may not still be affected, in some way, by the hammy.

7. Addai has less competition at this point. It's pretty much Joseph and Rhodes. Mungro is in the mix but I don't think either he, or Rhodes are a big a factor in the running game for Indy as Brown and Henry are for Ten.

8. Addai, due to his style of running, could be said to have a longer shelf life then White. White is a power runner and is a little heavy. Addai has more speed. Not that White isn't shifty, it's just that his style and lack of pure speed will cause more big hits.

Just my two cents.

 

[Werker]

From every site and every mock draft out there, I have taken this away from them...

Reggie White is the slam-dunk #1.

Williams, Maroney and Addai vary, but are always 2, 3 and 4.

LenDale White is always #5.

Is he going at 5 because of his risk, or are the 4 being drafted above him that much better? I ask because I fluctuate between being a no-guts, no-glory kind of FFer, but with high draft picks...

White?

 

[Slinger]

In leagues where I'm already sitting pretty at RB, I've selected Vernon Davis at the #5 or #6 spot.

 

[Duke1948]

5. Addai is a more talented back in the pro game at this point. Better pass blocker, better receiver out of the backfield, and a shiftier runner. Not that White is a poor RB. It's just that he's not as good as Joseph in those areas yet.

not sure what you are basing this point on?

 

[diesel7982]

5. Addai is a more talented back in the pro game at this point. Better pass blocker, better receiver out of the backfield, and a shiftier runner. Not that White is a poor RB. It's just that he's not as good as Joseph in those areas yet.

not sure what you are basing this point on?

White has never shown any pass catching or pass blocking skills, and with his amazing work ethic, seems unlikely to make great strides in learning them.

 

[mightyeskimo]

5. Addai is a more talented back in the pro game at this point. Better pass blocker, better receiver out of the backfield, and a shiftier runner. Not that White is a poor RB. It's just that he's not as good as Joseph in those areas yet.

not sure what you are basing this point on?

Research! What else?! Game film. Watching them play. Reading the OTA and mini-camp reports. Reading the profiles done by scouters. Reading others opinions and analysis. Reading interviews from former college coaches and current pro coaches. I'm sure your question comes from the fact that they haven't played yet. Which I can understand. However, all evidence so far points to Addai being a better pro back than White at this point.

 

[MLBrandow]

I'd take White #2 behind DWill, so naturally I'm in the minority here. Addai seems like a sure hit after this year, but who knows.

The biggest problem I see is the TEN coaching staff being overhauled after the season. What's going to happen with him in a new staff?

Addai likely is a safer pick, but I like White to be a dominating force in the NFL for many years to come.

Suppose you should go with who you like.

 

[Kit Fisto]

From every site and every mock draft out there, I have taken this away from them...

Reggie White is the slam-dunk #1.

Williams, Maroney and Addai vary, but are always 2, 3 and 4.

LenDale White is always #5.

Is he going at 5 because of his risk, or are the 4 being drafted above him that much better? I ask because I fluctuate between being a no-guts, no-glory kind of FFer, but with high draft picks... 

White?

fixed.

 

[mightyeskimo]

I'd take White #2 behind DWill, so naturally I'm in the minority here. Addai seems like a sure hit after this year, but who knows.

The biggest problem I see is the TEN coaching staff being overhauled after the season. What's going to happen with him in a new staff?

Addai likely is a safer pick, but I like White to be a dominating force in the NFL for many years to come.

Suppose you should go with who you like.

This a much tougher call for sure Brandow! I've been thinking about this as well as one of these guys may fall to me in my supplemental. I love DWills ability. Fast, elusive, and tougher than most realize. 25 reps, second among RB's, on the bench is pretty strong. Do you see Foster staying healthy? And, do you have any opinions on his contract status? He's scheduled to make 4.5 mil next year and 4.75 mil in 2008. If he doesn't perform he won't stay at that salary and will have two options: restructure, or be moved somewhere else. I like what White did at the college level. I posted his numbers in another thread and they really are phenominal. I'm in a large dynasty league so the Carolina situation as far as coaches, QB, WR's etc seems better to me. But it's really tough to debate to a clear cut favorite between the two.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Vince Young is scaring me away from White too, as well as his hammy and work ethic.

In dynasty, if I picked at #5, I would really have to be desperate at RB to take a chance on White, while passing on 10-year fantasy players like Leinart or Davis.

 

[mightyeskimo]

Vince Young is scaring me away from White too, as well as his hammy and work ethic.

In dynasty, if I picked at #5, I would really have to be desperate at RB to take a chance on White, while passing on 10-year fantasy players like Leinart or Davis.

What's your roster look like?

 

[Bob_Magaw]

Personally I think anyone who rates Addai over White is insane, especially for dynasty.

I respectfully disagree. I think Addai is a more attractive option than White in a dynasty league for the following reasons:1. Addai has a better QB in Manning. Not to trash Vince but it's certainly going to take some time before Young becomes that good. And, there is going to be a QB change coming up which could always affect a RB's performance.

2. Addai has a better O-Line. Even with the addition of Mawae Ten still has a ways to go to become a solid force up front.

3. Addai has better WR's. Harrison, Wayne, Stokely, Clark. A much more talented and experienced core that is already working well together. It's going to take time for Ten to develop that kind of Chemistry.

4. Addai has a better defense. The Colts have really made strides on D which will help keep the ball in the hands of their offense moreso than Ten.

5. Addai is a more talented back in the pro game at this point. Better pass blocker, better receiver out of the backfield, and a shiftier runner. Not that White is a poor RB. It's just that he's not as good as Joseph in those areas yet.

6. Addai is healthy at this point. White may or may not still be affected, in some way, by the hammy.

7. Addai has less competition at this point. It's pretty much Joseph and Rhodes. Mungro is in the mix but I don't think either he, or Rhodes are a big a factor in the running game for Indy as Brown and Henry are for Ten.

8. Addai, due to his style of running, could be said to have a longer shelf life then White. White is a power runner and is a little heavy. Addai has more speed. Not that White isn't shifty, it's just that his style and lack of pure speed will cause more big hits.

Just my two cents.

well reasoned post, though i'd take exception with a few points...2 - maybe IND does have better OL... that wouldn't be saying a lot... fantasy index broke down how poor IND was in short yardage... imo, addai does have advantage of being in IND, but it has more to with giant holes the formidable spread offense creates.

5 - you said more talented but i think what you meant is more complete? barry sanders wasn't a complete RB as far as i know... he wasn't known for his blitz pickup... does that make addai more talented... or more complete? though it is ridiculous to compare white to sanders (i'm not), but just to illustrate point, nobody would rather have addai than barry sanders because he is better blocker & receiver. as to your original point, white was far more accomplished as a runner than addai, it really isn't even close. addai is faster, but lots of fast RBs have failed. he has a little wiggle, but looks more like a one cut guy & not particularly elusive. the highlights i saw were the least impressive by far of all the top graded RB prospects... he would run straight ahead & get tackled after 5-10 yards... i don't know if i saw a single long run. white led the nation in TDs & has been almost universally praised for his nifty feet for a big man (even his detractors for the most part are smart enough to not dis his accomplishments on the field)... i have seen film where white is a very effective blocker, so not sure where the notion comes from that he will be a liability... it is likely that addai is better (he played FB as a freshman), but that doesn't mean that white can't be good enough. i have no doubt addai is better catching the ball out of the backfield (also played WR at LSU), but eddie george had a great career at TEN, & white has been compared to him... george didn't exactly have faulk/westbrook-like hands, but had a fine career nonetheless.

6 - as to the health, this is a dynasty league, we have to look deeper than past few months. are we really worried about a pulled hammy that by all accounts is already healed, 2-3-4-5 years from now? its not like he blew out an ACL... looking back again to college (what else can we do), addai had a MUCH more checkered past in injury department while at LSU.

7 - debateable whether addai has less competition... rhodes is about as likely to hold off addai & make this a RBBC as brown is in TEN... and this is again a dynasty question... how many think brown & henry will be long term obstacle to white starting beyond this year... or even on the team?

8 - running style... many have commented on addai's upright style, which could translate to absorbing more punishing hits than white, who has nice lean (and is built to absorb punishment better)... you did note yourself that white is shifty, so he is decidedly not like straight ahead, stiff, upright big backs like earl campbell & christian okoye that were done early... again, just look at who was injured more in college, & had the more debilitating injuries.

* one last thought experiment to think over... IF addai had run a 4.6 at the COMBINE, would he have even come close to sniffing the first round & starting gig with colts? i know, i know, he DID run a 4.4, but my point is, speed seems to be a big part of the attraction. if it weren't for that, he didn't show exceptional run skills or elusiveness to stand out on film, which worries me about his OVERALL skills & talent level.

all that said, it is possible addai is better long term... i watched white closely for a long time & am convinced his skills will translate to the NFL... if others haven't seen him as much, i could see why they would be more concerned with the red flags. my concern with addai (like many) is that he is not special & is an interim, stopgap solution... its nice that he blocks & catches, but if he is a liability as a runner they will find a better runner they can coach up in the other departments... thats what other teams do... they don't look for mediocre runners that can block & catch well & coach them up as runners. i realize blocking is especially important to colts to protect manning, but it won't be enough to overcome & compensate if he has deficiencies as a runner.

 

[jurb26]

Personally I think anyone who rates Addai over White is insane, especially for dynasty.

I respectfully disagree. I think Addai is a more attractive option than White in a dynasty league for the following reasons:1. Addai has a better QB in Manning. Not to trash Vince but it's certainly going to take some time before Young becomes that good. And, there is going to be a QB change coming up which could always affect a RB's performance.

2. Addai has a better O-Line. Even with the addition of Mawae Ten still has a ways to go to become a solid force up front.

3. Addai has better WR's. Harrison, Wayne, Stokely, Clark. A much more talented and experienced core that is already working well together. It's going to take time for Ten to develop that kind of Chemistry.

4. Addai has a better defense. The Colts have really made strides on D which will help keep the ball in the hands of their offense moreso than Ten.

5. Addai is a more talented back in the pro game at this point. Better pass blocker, better receiver out of the backfield, and a shiftier runner. Not that White is a poor RB. It's just that he's not as good as Joseph in those areas yet.

6. Addai is healthy at this point. White may or may not still be affected, in some way, by the hammy.

7. Addai has less competition at this point. It's pretty much Joseph and Rhodes. Mungro is in the mix but I don't think either he, or Rhodes are a big a factor in the running game for Indy as Brown and Henry are for Ten.

8. Addai, due to his style of running, could be said to have a longer shelf life then White. White is a power runner and is a little heavy. Addai has more speed. Not that White isn't shifty, it's just that his style and lack of pure speed will cause more big hits.

Just my two cents.

well reasoned post, though i'd take exception with a few points...2 - maybe IND does have better OL... that wouldn't be saying a lot... fantasy index broke down how poor IND was in short yardage... imo, addai does have advantage of being in IND, but it has more to with giant holes the formidable spread offense creates.

5 - you said more talented but i think what you meant is more complete? barry sanders wasn't a complete RB as far as i know... he wasn't known for his blitz pickup... does that make addai more talented... or more complete? though it is ridiculous to compare white to sanders (i'm not), but just to illustrate point, nobody would rather have addai than barry sanders because he is better blocker & receiver. as to your original point, white was far more accomplished as a runner than addai, it really isn't even close. addai is faster, but lots of fast RBs have failed. he has a little wiggle, but looks more like a one cut guy & not particularly elusive. the highlights i saw were the least impressive by far of all the top graded RB prospects... he would run straight ahead & get tackled after 5-10 yards... i don't know if i saw a single long run. white led the nation in TDs & has been almost universally praised for his nifty feet for a big man (even his detractors for the most part are smart enough to not dis his accomplishments on the field)... i have seen film where white is a very effective blocker, so not sure where the notion comes from that he will be a liability... it is likely that addai is better (he played FB as a freshman), but that doesn't mean that white can't be good enough. i have no doubt addai is better catching the ball out of the backfield (also played WR at LSU), but eddie george had a great career at TEN, & white has been compared to him... george didn't exactly have faulk/westbrook-like hands, but had a fine career nonetheless.

6 - as to the health, this is a dynasty league, we have to look deeper than past few months. are we really worried about a pulled hammy that by all accounts is already healed, 2-3-4-5 years from now? its not like he blew out an ACL... looking back again to college (what else can we do), addai had a MUCH more checkered past in injury department while at LSU.

7 - debateable whether addai has less competition... rhodes is about as likely to hold off addai & make this a RBBC as brown is in TEN... and this is again a dynasty question... how many think brown & henry will be long term obstacle to white starting beyond this year... or even on the team?

8 - running style... many have commented on addai's upright style, which could translate to absorbing more punishing hits than white, who has nice lean (and is built to absorb punishment better)... you did note yourself that white is shifty, so he is decidedly not like straight ahead, stiff, upright big backs like earl campbell & christian okoye that were done early... again, just look at who was injured more in college, & had the more debilitating injuries.

* one last thought experiment to think over... IF addai had run a 4.6 at the COMBINE, would he have even come close to sniffing the first round & starting gig with colts? i know, i know, he DID run a 4.4, but my point is, speed seems to be a big part of the attraction. if it weren't for that, he didn't show exceptional run skills or elusiveness to stand out on film, which worries me about his OVERALL skills & talent level.

all that said, it is possible addai is better long term... i watched white closely for a long time & am convinced his skills will translate to the NFL... if others haven't seen him as much, i could see why they would be more concerned with the red flags. my concern with addai (like many) is that he is not special & is an interim, stopgap solution... its nice that he blocks & catches, but if he is a liability as a runner they will find a better runner they can coach up in the other departments... thats what other teams do... they don't look for mediocre runners that can block & catch well & coach them up as runners. i realize blocking is especially important to colts to protect manning, but it won't be enough to overcome & compensate if he has deficiencies as a runner.

I'm with Bob.

 

[mightyeskimo]

Personally I think anyone who rates Addai over White is insane, especially for dynasty.

I respectfully disagree. I think Addai is a more attractive option than White in a dynasty league for the following reasons:1. Addai has a better QB in Manning. Not to trash Vince but it's certainly going to take some time before Young becomes that good. And, there is going to be a QB change coming up which could always affect a RB's performance.

2. Addai has a better O-Line. Even with the addition of Mawae Ten still has a ways to go to become a solid force up front.

3. Addai has better WR's. Harrison, Wayne, Stokely, Clark. A much more talented and experienced core that is already working well together. It's going to take time for Ten to develop that kind of Chemistry.

4. Addai has a better defense. The Colts have really made strides on D which will help keep the ball in the hands of their offense moreso than Ten.

5. Addai is a more talented back in the pro game at this point. Better pass blocker, better receiver out of the backfield, and a shiftier runner. Not that White is a poor RB. It's just that he's not as good as Joseph in those areas yet.

6. Addai is healthy at this point. White may or may not still be affected, in some way, by the hammy.

7. Addai has less competition at this point. It's pretty much Joseph and Rhodes. Mungro is in the mix but I don't think either he, or Rhodes are a big a factor in the running game for Indy as Brown and Henry are for Ten.

8. Addai, due to his style of running, could be said to have a longer shelf life then White. White is a power runner and is a little heavy. Addai has more speed. Not that White isn't shifty, it's just that his style and lack of pure speed will cause more big hits.

Just my two cents.

well reasoned post, though i'd take exception with a few points...2 - maybe IND does have better OL... that wouldn't be saying a lot... fantasy index broke down how poor IND was in short yardage... imo, addai does have advantage of being in IND, but it has more to with giant holes the formidable spread offense creates.

5 - you said more talented but i think what you meant is more complete? barry sanders wasn't a complete RB as far as i know... he wasn't known for his blitz pickup... does that make addai more talented... or more complete? though it is ridiculous to compare white to sanders (i'm not), but just to illustrate point, nobody would rather have addai than barry sanders because he is better blocker & receiver. as to your original point, white was far more accomplished as a runner than addai, it really isn't even close. addai is faster, but lots of fast RBs have failed. he has a little wiggle, but looks more like a one cut guy & not particularly elusive. the highlights i saw were the least impressive by far of all the top graded RB prospects... he would run straight ahead & get tackled after 5-10 yards... i don't know if i saw a single long run. white led the nation in TDs & has been almost universally praised for his nifty feet for a big man (even his detractors for the most part are smart enough to not dis his accomplishments on the field)... i have seen film where white is a very effective blocker, so not sure where the notion comes from that he will be a liability... it is likely that addai is better (he played FB as a freshman), but that doesn't mean that white can't be good enough. i have no doubt addai is better catching the ball out of the backfield (also played WR at LSU), but eddie george had a great career at TEN, & white has been compared to him... george didn't exactly have faulk/westbrook-like hands, but had a fine career nonetheless.

6 - as to the health, this is a dynasty league, we have to look deeper than past few months. are we really worried about a pulled hammy that by all accounts is already healed, 2-3-4-5 years from now? its not like he blew out an ACL... looking back again to college (what else can we do), addai had a MUCH more checkered past in injury department while at LSU.

7 - debateable whether addai has less competition... rhodes is about as likely to hold off addai & make this a RBBC as brown is in TEN... and this is again a dynasty question... how many think brown & henry will be long term obstacle to white starting beyond this year... or even on the team?

8 - running style... many have commented on addai's upright style, which could translate to absorbing more punishing hits than white, who has nice lean (and is built to absorb punishment better)... you did note yourself that white is shifty, so he is decidedly not like straight ahead, stiff, upright big backs like earl campbell & christian okoye that were done early... again, just look at who was injured more in college, & had the more debilitating injuries.

* one last thought experiment to think over... IF addai had run a 4.6 at the COMBINE, would he have even come close to sniffing the first round & starting gig with colts? i know, i know, he DID run a 4.4, but my point is, speed seems to be a big part of the attraction. if it weren't for that, he didn't show exceptional run skills or elusiveness to stand out on film, which worries me about his OVERALL skills & talent level.

all that said, it is possible addai is better long term... i watched white closely for a long time & am convinced his skills will translate to the NFL... if others haven't seen him as much, i could see why they would be more concerned with the red flags. my concern with addai (like many) is that he is not special & is an interim, stopgap solution... its nice that he blocks & catches, but if he is a liability as a runner they will find a better runner they can coach up in the other departments... thats what other teams do... they don't look for mediocre runners that can block & catch well & coach them up as runners. i realize blocking is especially important to colts to protect manning, but it won't be enough to overcome & compensate if he has deficiencies as a runner.

All great points for sure. I tried to elude to them and at least keep my points balanced. I agree that complete would be a better way to describe him than talented. But these terms are practically interchangable. I do think the Sanders argument is a stretch but it effectively illustrates the point. If White can produce in the NFL what he produced in the NCAA then he's going to be insane. That's absolutely true. I think Indy's line could be described as more technique than bruising power. Which, for Peyton's purposes, is better so that's probably why the group looks the way it does. I think the competition, as far as tenure, is about equal. Both Rhodes and Mungro are in contract years just like Brown. And, while Henry is signed long term, all four are pretty cheap and could linger or be let go alike. I just think Henry and Brown will be more active than Rhodes and Mungro. However, it will be very close. As to another question, I would certainly agree that if Addai had run 4.6 and White a 4.4 along with all the other Combine events, White would have gone in the first round and Addai in the second. No question. The injury issue is most certainly short term, as you pointed out. I think the situation of the players will probably be the deciding factor for most owners in the selection. It is a great debate!!

 

[jurb26]

We seem to have lots of Bush, Maroney, Williams and Addia highlight films floating around here.... where are the White ones?

 

[Lauryn]

addai doesn't strike me as anything special... if polian didn't have such a huge ego it wouldn't surprise me if he was replaced in the next year or two ala jj arrington.

 

[FBGPoker]

Personally I think anyone who rates Addai over White is insane, especially for dynasty.

That makes 0 sense.Indi took Addai over White straight up, are you saying the indi front office is insane and your brilliant?

 

[B. Nugget]

The original question was whether White is the consensus #5 and I recently got a tidbit of information from the guys in my keeper league that shows that he is moving up (no USC homers or anything, we are from the Midwest).

I have the #5 rookie/vet pick and was very excited about the idea of getting White there, but apparently, he is going at #3, with a possibility of #2. I found this odd because #2 owns Dillon and it would make sense for him to take Maroney. #3 is a wildcard because you never know what he will do, but the real kicker is that the #4 owns Rhodes and said he would take White in a heartbeat over Addai.

The hype hasn't even really started for White, I imagine it will be in full gear at training camp, and these guys are going nuts trying to get him in early July. It went so far that the 1.04 guy said he would trade his pick for a #1 next year so he could package it to try to get 1.01 for Peterson since he couldn't get White. Basically, he didn't want anybody else.

If you can get him at #5 after training camp starts you are going to be extremely lucky.

B. Nugget

 

[Wizard of AZ]

Personally I think anyone who rates Addai over White is insane, especially for dynasty.

That makes 0 sense.Indi took Addai over White straight up, are you saying the indi front office is insane and your brilliant?

I never post here, but good lord that makes 0 sense. I suppose it has nothing to do with what player might fit better in their offense, or maybe they were scared off by injury or work ethic. Lots of teams have made first round mistakes. I'd say all the teams that passed on Randy Moss were indeed insane. I would say the Cardinals were insane for drafting Arrington. That said I like Addai this year, and White next season and beyond.

 

[EBF]

I haven't seen him go earlier than 1.03 and I haven't seen him go later than 1.05. I think Bush and Maroney are clearly better options, but it's a matter of preference after those two go off the board.

 

[FBGPoker]

Personally I think anyone who rates Addai over White is insane, especially for dynasty.

That makes 0 sense.Indi took Addai over White straight up, are you saying the indi front office is insane and your brilliant?

I never post here, but good lord that makes 0 sense. I suppose it has nothing to do with what player might fit better in their offense, or maybe they were scared off by injury or work ethic. Lots of teams have made first round mistakes. I'd say all the teams that passed on Randy Moss were indeed insane. I would say the Cardinals were insane for drafting Arrington. That said I like Addai this year, and White next season and beyond.

What i meant is it makes 0 sense to say taking Addai over White or vice versa is insane, there are decent arguments on both sides.If someone prefers Addai they are not insane, based on all factors considered Indi took Addai over White, therefore for someone to say it is insane to consider Addai over White doesn't make sense.

Personally I prefer White over Addai, but obviously many NFL front offices felt differently, and they are far from insane.

And also i agree, many NFL teams makes mistakes in the draft, but in the long run they make far fewer than you or I would make.

 

[sholditch]

Personally I think anyone who rates Addai over White is insane, especially for dynasty.

You like the potential long-term #1 in TEN better than the potential long-term #1 in Indy?

Assuming the two situations were equal, which they are certainly not, I sure would worry about the potential scoring of a RB sharing goalline touches with Vince Young.

Maybe this will help: I don't consider Addai a long-term anything, and think that this year will likely be at most a 60/40 split with him seeing the 60, but really I am very skecptical about Addai. Here's why:Never showed one flash of brilliance in college

Never earned an unquestioned no. 1 role despite mediocre competition

I'm just not convinced he is NFL starter material.

 

[sholditch]

Personally I think anyone who rates Addai over White is insane, especially for dynasty.

That makes 0 sense.Indi took Addai over White straight up, are you saying the indi front office is insane and your brilliant?

I never post here, but good lord that makes 0 sense. I suppose it has nothing to do with what player might fit better in their offense, or maybe they were scared off by injury or work ethic. Lots of teams have made first round mistakes. I'd say all the teams that passed on Randy Moss were indeed insane. I would say the Cardinals were insane for drafting Arrington. That said I like Addai this year, and White next season and beyond.

What i meant is it makes 0 sense to say taking Addai over White or vice versa is insane, there are decent arguments on both sides.If someone prefers Addai they are not insane, based on all factors considered Indi took Addai over White, therefore for someone to say it is insane to consider Addai over White doesn't make sense.

Personally I prefer White over Addai, but obviously many NFL front offices felt differently, and they are far from insane.

And also i agree, many NFL teams makes mistakes in the draft, but in the long run they make far fewer than you or I would make.

When I said that I was voicing my opinion. If I want t say that Addai sux monkey balls that's within my right, correct? I just watched him all the way through college and never thought for one second he was pro material. Do I know more than Indy's scouting department? Of course not. Do I have every right to make my own judgements based on what I saw him do in college vs. what LenDale did? I don't see why not.Addai =

 

[jwvdcw]

5. Addai is a more talented back in the pro game at this point. Better pass blocker, better receiver out of the backfield, and a shiftier runner. Not that White is a poor RB. It's just that he's not as good as Joseph in those areas yet.

not sure what you are basing this point on?

Research! What else?! Game film. Watching them play. Reading the OTA and mini-camp reports. Reading the profiles done by scouters. Reading others opinions and analysis. Reading interviews from former college coaches and current pro coaches. I'm sure your question comes from the fact that they haven't played yet. Which I can understand. However, all evidence so far points to Addai being a better pro back than White at this point.

I totally disagree. White is a special, special talent. He has more "pro skills" than anyone except for Bush imo. It was his attitude and fat that made him drop in the draft. Remember, he was being discussed as a top 10 overall draft pick based purely upon his on the field skills.

 

[FBGPoker]

Personally I think anyone who rates Addai over White is insane, especially for dynasty.

That makes 0 sense.Indi took Addai over White straight up, are you saying the indi front office is insane and your brilliant?

I never post here, but good lord that makes 0 sense. I suppose it has nothing to do with what player might fit better in their offense, or maybe they were scared off by injury or work ethic. Lots of teams have made first round mistakes. I'd say all the teams that passed on Randy Moss were indeed insane. I would say the Cardinals were insane for drafting Arrington. That said I like Addai this year, and White next season and beyond.

What i meant is it makes 0 sense to say taking Addai over White or vice versa is insane, there are decent arguments on both sides.If someone prefers Addai they are not insane, based on all factors considered Indi took Addai over White, therefore for someone to say it is insane to consider Addai over White doesn't make sense.

Personally I prefer White over Addai, but obviously many NFL front offices felt differently, and they are far from insane.

And also i agree, many NFL teams makes mistakes in the draft, but in the long run they make far fewer than you or I would make.

When I said that I was voicing my opinion. If I want t say that Addai sux monkey balls that's within my right, correct? I just watched him all the way through college and never thought for one second he was pro material. Do I know more than Indy's scouting department? Of course not. Do I have every right to make my own judgements based on what I saw him do in college vs. what LenDale did? I don't see why not.Addai =

Of course you do, and i actually don't like Addai at all, but once i saw Indi draft him rather high it made me think it was possible he doesn't suck.I wouldn't take him over White, but due to a highly respected NFL scouting department feeling he was better overall than White I just don't see how anyone could say it's INSANE to take Addai over White.

Go ahead and keep saying how insane it is, but that doesn't mean it makes sense.

 

[sholditch]

Personally I think anyone who rates Addai over White is insane, especially for dynasty.

I respectfully disagree. I think Addai is a more attractive option than White in a dynasty league for the following reasons:1. Addai has a better QB in Manning. Not to trash Vince but it's certainly going to take some time before Young becomes that good. And, there is going to be a QB change coming up which could always affect a RB's performance.

2. Addai has a better O-Line. Even with the addition of Mawae Ten still has a ways to go to become a solid force up front.

3. Addai has better WR's. Harrison, Wayne, Stokely, Clark. A much more talented and experienced core that is already working well together. It's going to take time for Ten to develop that kind of Chemistry.

4. Addai has a better defense. The Colts have really made strides on D which will help keep the ball in the hands of their offense moreso than Ten.

5. Addai is a more talented back in the pro game at this point. Better pass blocker, better receiver out of the backfield, and a shiftier runner. Not that White is a poor RB. It's just that he's not as good as Joseph in those areas yet.

6. Addai is healthy at this point. White may or may not still be affected, in some way, by the hammy.

7. Addai has less competition at this point. It's pretty much Joseph and Rhodes. Mungro is in the mix but I don't think either he, or Rhodes are a big a factor in the running game for Indy as Brown and Henry are for Ten.

8. Addai, due to his style of running, could be said to have a longer shelf life then White. White is a power runner and is a little heavy. Addai has more speed. Not that White isn't shifty, it's just that his style and lack of pure speed will cause more big hits.

Just my two cents.

well reasoned post, though i'd take exception with a few points...2 - maybe IND does have better OL... that wouldn't be saying a lot... fantasy index broke down how poor IND was in short yardage... imo, addai does have advantage of being in IND, but it has more to with giant holes the formidable spread offense creates.

5 - you said more talented but i think what you meant is more complete? barry sanders wasn't a complete RB as far as i know... he wasn't known for his blitz pickup... does that make addai more talented... or more complete? though it is ridiculous to compare white to sanders (i'm not), but just to illustrate point, nobody would rather have addai than barry sanders because he is better blocker & receiver. as to your original point, white was far more accomplished as a runner than addai, it really isn't even close. addai is faster, but lots of fast RBs have failed. he has a little wiggle, but looks more like a one cut guy & not particularly elusive. the highlights i saw were the least impressive by far of all the top graded RB prospects... he would run straight ahead & get tackled after 5-10 yards... i don't know if i saw a single long run. white led the nation in TDs & has been almost universally praised for his nifty feet for a big man (even his detractors for the most part are smart enough to not dis his accomplishments on the field)... i have seen film where white is a very effective blocker, so not sure where the notion comes from that he will be a liability... it is likely that addai is better (he played FB as a freshman), but that doesn't mean that white can't be good enough. i have no doubt addai is better catching the ball out of the backfield (also played WR at LSU), but eddie george had a great career at TEN, & white has been compared to him... george didn't exactly have faulk/westbrook-like hands, but had a fine career nonetheless.

6 - as to the health, this is a dynasty league, we have to look deeper than past few months. are we really worried about a pulled hammy that by all accounts is already healed, 2-3-4-5 years from now? its not like he blew out an ACL... looking back again to college (what else can we do), addai had a MUCH more checkered past in injury department while at LSU.

7 - debateable whether addai has less competition... rhodes is about as likely to hold off addai & make this a RBBC as brown is in TEN... and this is again a dynasty question... how many think brown & henry will be long term obstacle to white starting beyond this year... or even on the team?

8 - running style... many have commented on addai's upright style, which could translate to absorbing more punishing hits than white, who has nice lean (and is built to absorb punishment better)... you did note yourself that white is shifty, so he is decidedly not like straight ahead, stiff, upright big backs like earl campbell & christian okoye that were done early... again, just look at who was injured more in college, & had the more debilitating injuries.

* one last thought experiment to think over... IF addai had run a 4.6 at the COMBINE, would he have even come close to sniffing the first round & starting gig with colts? i know, i know, he DID run a 4.4, but my point is, speed seems to be a big part of the attraction. if it weren't for that, he didn't show exceptional run skills or elusiveness to stand out on film, which worries me about his OVERALL skills & talent level.

all that said, it is possible addai is better long term... i watched white closely for a long time & am convinced his skills will translate to the NFL... if others haven't seen him as much, i could see why they would be more concerned with the red flags. my concern with addai (like many) is that he is not special & is an interim, stopgap solution... its nice that he blocks & catches, but if he is a liability as a runner they will find a better runner they can coach up in the other departments... thats what other teams do... they don't look for mediocre runners that can block & catch well & coach them up as runners. i realize blocking is especially important to colts to protect manning, but it won't be enough to overcome & compensate if he has deficiencies as a runner.

I'm with Bob.

me too. I was content to say that Addai just never really looked that good. He broke it down as to where and why. To be perfectly honest I was really, really surprised to hear he was considered a first-round prospect. I never even considered him one of the better RBs in the conference.

 

[sholditch]

Personally I think anyone who rates Addai over White is insane, especially for dynasty.

That makes 0 sense.Indi took Addai over White straight up, are you saying the indi front office is insane and your brilliant?

I never post here, but good lord that makes 0 sense. I suppose it has nothing to do with what player might fit better in their offense, or maybe they were scared off by injury or work ethic. Lots of teams have made first round mistakes. I'd say all the teams that passed on Randy Moss were indeed insane. I would say the Cardinals were insane for drafting Arrington. That said I like Addai this year, and White next season and beyond.

What i meant is it makes 0 sense to say taking Addai over White or vice versa is insane, there are decent arguments on both sides.If someone prefers Addai they are not insane, based on all factors considered Indi took Addai over White, therefore for someone to say it is insane to consider Addai over White doesn't make sense.

Personally I prefer White over Addai, but obviously many NFL front offices felt differently, and they are far from insane.

And also i agree, many NFL teams makes mistakes in the draft, but in the long run they make far fewer than you or I would make.

When I said that I was voicing my opinion. If I want t say that Addai sux monkey balls that's within my right, correct? I just watched him all the way through college and never thought for one second he was pro material. Do I know more than Indy's scouting department? Of course not. Do I have every right to make my own judgements based on what I saw him do in college vs. what LenDale did? I don't see why not.Addai =

Of course you do, and i actually don't like Addai at all, but once i saw Indi draft him rather high it made me think it was possible he doesn't suck.I wouldn't take him over White, but due to a highly respected NFL scouting department feeling he was better overall than White I just don't see how anyone could say it's INSANE to take Addai over White.

Go ahead and keep saying how insane it is, but that doesn't mean it makes sense.

OK, I will watch how I express myself in the future. Didn't know people took things so literally around here. Sheesh

 

[blkgolf23]

Personally I think anyone who rates Addai over White is insane, especially for dynasty.

I respectfully disagree. I think Addai is a more attractive option than White in a dynasty league for the following reasons:1. Addai has a better QB in Manning. Not to trash Vince but it's certainly going to take some time before Young becomes that good. And, there is going to be a QB change coming up which could always affect a RB's performance.

2. Addai has a better O-Line. Even with the addition of Mawae Ten still has a ways to go to become a solid force up front.

3. Addai has better WR's. Harrison, Wayne, Stokely, Clark. A much more talented and experienced core that is already working well together. It's going to take time for Ten to develop that kind of Chemistry.

4. Addai has a better defense. The Colts have really made strides on D which will help keep the ball in the hands of their offense moreso than Ten.

5. Addai is a more talented back in the pro game at this point. Better pass blocker, better receiver out of the backfield, and a shiftier runner. Not that White is a poor RB. It's just that he's not as good as Joseph in those areas yet.

6. Addai is healthy at this point. White may or may not still be affected, in some way, by the hammy.

7. Addai has less competition at this point. It's pretty much Joseph and Rhodes. Mungro is in the mix but I don't think either he, or Rhodes are a big a factor in the running game for Indy as Brown and Henry are for Ten.

8. Addai, due to his style of running, could be said to have a longer shelf life then White. White is a power runner and is a little heavy. Addai has more speed. Not that White isn't shifty, it's just that his style and lack of pure speed will cause more big hits.

Just my two cents.

well reasoned post, though i'd take exception with a few points...2 - maybe IND does have better OL... that wouldn't be saying a lot... fantasy index broke down how poor IND was in short yardage... imo, addai does have advantage of being in IND, but it has more to with giant holes the formidable spread offense creates.

5 - you said more talented but i think what you meant is more complete? barry sanders wasn't a complete RB as far as i know... he wasn't known for his blitz pickup... does that make addai more talented... or more complete? though it is ridiculous to compare white to sanders (i'm not), but just to illustrate point, nobody would rather have addai than barry sanders because he is better blocker & receiver. as to your original point, white was far more accomplished as a runner than addai, it really isn't even close. addai is faster, but lots of fast RBs have failed. he has a little wiggle, but looks more like a one cut guy & not particularly elusive. the highlights i saw were the least impressive by far of all the top graded RB prospects... he would run straight ahead & get tackled after 5-10 yards... i don't know if i saw a single long run. white led the nation in TDs & has been almost universally praised for his nifty feet for a big man (even his detractors for the most part are smart enough to not dis his accomplishments on the field)... i have seen film where white is a very effective blocker, so not sure where the notion comes from that he will be a liability... it is likely that addai is better (he played FB as a freshman), but that doesn't mean that white can't be good enough. i have no doubt addai is better catching the ball out of the backfield (also played WR at LSU), but eddie george had a great career at TEN, & white has been compared to him... george didn't exactly have faulk/westbrook-like hands, but had a fine career nonetheless.

6 - as to the health, this is a dynasty league, we have to look deeper than past few months. are we really worried about a pulled hammy that by all accounts is already healed, 2-3-4-5 years from now? its not like he blew out an ACL... looking back again to college (what else can we do), addai had a MUCH more checkered past in injury department while at LSU.

7 - debateable whether addai has less competition... rhodes is about as likely to hold off addai & make this a RBBC as brown is in TEN... and this is again a dynasty question... how many think brown & henry will be long term obstacle to white starting beyond this year... or even on the team?

8 - running style... many have commented on addai's upright style, which could translate to absorbing more punishing hits than white, who has nice lean (and is built to absorb punishment better)... you did note yourself that white is shifty, so he is decidedly not like straight ahead, stiff, upright big backs like earl campbell & christian okoye that were done early... again, just look at who was injured more in college, & had the more debilitating injuries.

* one last thought experiment to think over... IF addai had run a 4.6 at the COMBINE, would he have even come close to sniffing the first round & starting gig with colts? i know, i know, he DID run a 4.4, but my point is, speed seems to be a big part of the attraction. if it weren't for that, he didn't show exceptional run skills or elusiveness to stand out on film, which worries me about his OVERALL skills & talent level.

all that said, it is possible addai is better long term... i watched white closely for a long time & am convinced his skills will translate to the NFL... if others haven't seen him as much, i could see why they would be more concerned with the red flags. my concern with addai (like many) is that he is not special & is an interim, stopgap solution... its nice that he blocks & catches, but if he is a liability as a runner they will find a better runner they can coach up in the other departments... thats what other teams do... they don't look for mediocre runners that can block & catch well & coach them up as runners. i realize blocking is especially important to colts to protect manning, but it won't be enough to overcome & compensate if he has deficiencies as a runner.

Please sleep on Mr. White

 

[FBGPoker]

OK, I will watch how I express myself in the future. Didn't know people took things so literally around here. Sheesh

ty

 

[Bob_Magaw]

Personally I think anyone who rates Addai over White is insane, especially for dynasty.

I respectfully disagree. I think Addai is a more attractive option than White in a dynasty league for the following reasons:1. Addai has a better QB in Manning. Not to trash Vince but it's certainly going to take some time before Young becomes that good. And, there is going to be a QB change coming up which could always affect a RB's performance.

2. Addai has a better O-Line. Even with the addition of Mawae Ten still has a ways to go to become a solid force up front.

3. Addai has better WR's. Harrison, Wayne, Stokely, Clark. A much more talented and experienced core that is already working well together. It's going to take time for Ten to develop that kind of Chemistry.

4. Addai has a better defense. The Colts have really made strides on D which will help keep the ball in the hands of their offense moreso than Ten.

5. Addai is a more talented back in the pro game at this point. Better pass blocker, better receiver out of the backfield, and a shiftier runner. Not that White is a poor RB. It's just that he's not as good as Joseph in those areas yet.

6. Addai is healthy at this point. White may or may not still be affected, in some way, by the hammy.

7. Addai has less competition at this point. It's pretty much Joseph and Rhodes. Mungro is in the mix but I don't think either he, or Rhodes are a big a factor in the running game for Indy as Brown and Henry are for Ten.

8. Addai, due to his style of running, could be said to have a longer shelf life then White. White is a power runner and is a little heavy. Addai has more speed. Not that White isn't shifty, it's just that his style and lack of pure speed will cause more big hits.

Just my two cents.

well reasoned post, though i'd take exception with a few points...2 - maybe IND does have better OL... that wouldn't be saying a lot... fantasy index broke down how poor IND was in short yardage... imo, addai does have advantage of being in IND, but it has more to with giant holes the formidable spread offense creates.

5 - you said more talented but i think what you meant is more complete? barry sanders wasn't a complete RB as far as i know... he wasn't known for his blitz pickup... does that make addai more talented... or more complete? though it is ridiculous to compare white to sanders (i'm not), but just to illustrate point, nobody would rather have addai than barry sanders because he is better blocker & receiver. as to your original point, white was far more accomplished as a runner than addai, it really isn't even close. addai is faster, but lots of fast RBs have failed. he has a little wiggle, but looks more like a one cut guy & not particularly elusive. the highlights i saw were the least impressive by far of all the top graded RB prospects... he would run straight ahead & get tackled after 5-10 yards... i don't know if i saw a single long run. white led the nation in TDs & has been almost universally praised for his nifty feet for a big man (even his detractors for the most part are smart enough to not dis his accomplishments on the field)... i have seen film where white is a very effective blocker, so not sure where the notion comes from that he will be a liability... it is likely that addai is better (he played FB as a freshman), but that doesn't mean that white can't be good enough. i have no doubt addai is better catching the ball out of the backfield (also played WR at LSU), but eddie george had a great career at TEN, & white has been compared to him... george didn't exactly have faulk/westbrook-like hands, but had a fine career nonetheless.

6 - as to the health, this is a dynasty league, we have to look deeper than past few months. are we really worried about a pulled hammy that by all accounts is already healed, 2-3-4-5 years from now? its not like he blew out an ACL... looking back again to college (what else can we do), addai had a MUCH more checkered past in injury department while at LSU.

7 - debateable whether addai has less competition... rhodes is about as likely to hold off addai & make this a RBBC as brown is in TEN... and this is again a dynasty question... how many think brown & henry will be long term obstacle to white starting beyond this year... or even on the team?

8 - running style... many have commented on addai's upright style, which could translate to absorbing more punishing hits than white, who has nice lean (and is built to absorb punishment better)... you did note yourself that white is shifty, so he is decidedly not like straight ahead, stiff, upright big backs like earl campbell & christian okoye that were done early... again, just look at who was injured more in college, & had the more debilitating injuries.

* one last thought experiment to think over... IF addai had run a 4.6 at the COMBINE, would he have even come close to sniffing the first round & starting gig with colts? i know, i know, he DID run a 4.4, but my point is, speed seems to be a big part of the attraction. if it weren't for that, he didn't show exceptional run skills or elusiveness to stand out on film, which worries me about his OVERALL skills & talent level.

all that said, it is possible addai is better long term... i watched white closely for a long time & am convinced his skills will translate to the NFL... if others haven't seen him as much, i could see why they would be more concerned with the red flags. my concern with addai (like many) is that he is not special & is an interim, stopgap solution... its nice that he blocks & catches, but if he is a liability as a runner they will find a better runner they can coach up in the other departments... thats what other teams do... they don't look for mediocre runners that can block & catch well & coach them up as runners. i realize blocking is especially important to colts to protect manning, but it won't be enough to overcome & compensate if he has deficiencies as a runner.

All great points for sure. I tried to elude to them and at least keep my points balanced. I agree that complete would be a better way to describe him than talented. But these terms are practically interchangable. I do think the Sanders argument is a stretch but it effectively illustrates the point. If White can produce in the NFL what he produced in the NCAA then he's going to be insane. That's absolutely true. I think Indy's line could be described as more technique than bruising power. Which, for Peyton's purposes, is better so that's probably why the group looks the way it does. I think the competition, as far as tenure, is about equal. Both Rhodes and Mungro are in contract years just like Brown. And, while Henry is signed long term, all four are pretty cheap and could linger or be let go alike. I just think Henry and Brown will be more active than Rhodes and Mungro. However, it will be very close. As to another question, I would certainly agree that if Addai had run 4.6 and White a 4.4 along with all the other Combine events, White would have gone in the first round and Addai in the second. No question. The injury issue is most certainly short term, as you pointed out. I think the situation of the players will probably be the deciding factor for most owners in the selection. It is a great debate!!

agreed this is a good debate...a big reason scouting is as much art than science is it involves areas that are hard to quantify & systematize... anatomy & physiology can tell us lots about the human heart in general... but what light can they shed on the kind of heart walter payton exhibited?

why do some prospects in general & RBs specifically succeed or fail? probably a thousand things... it would be foolishness to think that one scout misses nothing that is important & doesn't include some things that aren't... and that we can't learn something from virtually all scouts...

i'm going to do a pre-season dynasty article that likens the scouting process to that of a composite sketch artist that has to reconcile multiple & sometimes conflicting eye-witness accounts to render a unified image that is best overall approximation...

 

[MLBrandow]

1) Do you see Foster staying healthy?

2) And, do you have any opinions on his contract status?

*numbered/edited for clarity This is a slight hijack, but worth addressing.

1) I see this as a nonfactor, but if I'm being forced to pick, I say yes. I see him possibly getting hurt very early in the season, but if not, I see him staying healthy all season. Either he's an injury risk because of how he runs, or he's just gotten unlucky. If he doesn't break down in the first few weeks, he won't at all.

2) Yes I do. That he was not re-signed until after the draft tells me that he is brought in as an insurance policy. Because he knows the system, there's a good chance he starts week 1. Regardless of how well he does though, CAR will try to work in DWill though, either slow or fast, certianly much faster if he struggles.

Even if he rushes for 1500 yards, CAR will likely try and trade him. Foster/DWill are in direct competition and do not compliment one another. They will not coexist and there is no way Foster starts beyond this year.

My personal belief is that DWill will beat him out in training camp and Foster will be released after this season.

Regardless though, one has to like the seeable future in DWill's favor rather than White.

White is likely to outproduce DWill THIS year. Beyond that, while I believe White is the more capable running back, Williams is in a much better situation on a much better football team. By contrast, White will be on a team in rebuild mode for the next 3 years at the least. This could hamper his numbers.

Certainly their long-term careers you want to take the more skilled RB, but it is my own personal belief that waiting more than two seasons for your "dynasty" back to start producing to his true potential is bad. It looks to me like Williams will have the better 3-4 year tenure than White, and so he is the pick for me.

And beyond that is simply pure speculation, and to me, that very long term is more dependent on other factors than the backs themselves.

 

[WhoDat]

Good stuff in here.

On Point 5 of talent and being NFL ready I would say that I have to disagree. Does Addai have a better perspective, personality and psychological profile? Yes, he is more mature. Does Addai have skills that are more suited for the offense ran by the Colts. Perhaps. Does Addai have more NFL ability than White. No.

White is currently paying for his transgressions. Had he not half assed what was asked of him between the Rose Bowl and late weekend in April that kid goes Top 10. The Titans, opinion, got a steal with White. White's soft body of work was not built against Mother Mary's Sisters of the Poor. The kid holds some impressive records. Do a quick search of RB from the Pac 10. Heck, just check to see who played at USC. It is called Tailback U for a reason. White is pretty damn good between the lines. I would like to think he is getting good between the ears but that is to be determined.

On Point 7 of competition I would have to spin in this way. The window to win a Superbowl is short...very short. We could all agree the Colts are within that window. It is starting to slowly close. Addai, as a rookie, either has to play at a level normally beyond a rookie RB or set the bench. The Colts, opinion, do not have the luxury to slowly work him into the offense this year. The team is too damn close to winning it all.

Technically, yes, he has fewer people competing for touches. Despite that fact his touches or time on the field is crucial. He will not get an opportunity to make mistakes. If he cannot learn the game at NFL speed, then he is not going to get snaps. The Colts have far too much at stake this season. Addai is in a total sink or swim situation. I would never wish ill will on a kid trying to make it. I hope he is up to the task but that program is asking a hell of a lot out of a rookie RB.

On the other hand you have White coming to a team...sorry Titan fan...that is going to be out of the running by October. White enters an offense he already knows. Knows the terminology. Knows blocking schemes. Knows audibles. He does not need to learn as much nor are the stakes as high.

White is on a team that has nothing to lose. When the Titans being to slide, where is the incentive to continue to let White ride the pine? Hell, where is the incentive to not let him start or compete to start from Day 1? Perhaps, White is the guy. Bad team. Young defense. Potential rookie QB starting. Young WR. Sure sounds like a team that could use a pile moving, ground pounding RB. Unlike Addai, White, opinion, is in a situation that is not nearly as bad as perception would have it.

He might push his lycra hamstring pants and uniform bottoms beyond the material's physical properties but I still think White bounces away with the Offensive ROY award. You won't be able to get him at Pick 5 after camps start.

mightyeskimo, not picking on you at all. You had a well presented case. I am just looking at some of the points in a different manner.

 

[mightyeskimo]

mightyeskimo, not picking on you at all. You had a well presented case. I am just looking at some of the points in a different manner.

Not at all WhoDat! Great post as well! That was the point of my involvement, to get these different angles out there for discussion. Please don't think I'm down on LenDale. As a matter of fact, I'm trying to strengthen my rationale of picking him up if he falls to me at #6 in our supplemental.

 

[Riffraff]

We seem to have lots of Bush, Maroney, Williams and Addia highlight films floating around here.... where are the White ones?

Quite a few were taken down after the draft. Bummer.LenDale highlights:

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/scp_v3/viewer...01492&ch=396337

Click on video montage (crappy highlights):

http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl..._lendale00.html

National Championship TD:

http://www.15sports.com/usc-lendale-white-...hite-nfl-draft/

Click on Lendale's name to the left and press play:

http://www.trojanfb.com/video_library.php

And someone put Barry, Reggie, Lendale, and Noel all in the same video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsJPUpD07Fw&search=Lendale

Not a video, but a news story about LenDale jumping off a 6 story building after getting kicked out of practice... just to feed the people who say he has a bad attitude.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2211556

Oh and of course, Lendale's myspace page:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...iendid=32404808

 

[diesel7982]

Good stuff in here.

On Point 5 of talent and being NFL ready I would say that I have to disagree. Does Addai have a better perspective, personality and psychological profile? Yes, he is more mature. Does Addai have skills that are more suited for the offense ran by the Colts. Perhaps. Does Addai have more NFL ability than White. No.

White is currently paying for his transgressions. Had he not half assed what was asked of him between the Rose Bowl and late weekend in April that kid goes Top 10. The Titans, opinion, got a steal with White. White's soft body of work was not built against Mother Mary's Sisters of the Poor. The kid holds some impressive records. Do a quick search of RB from the Pac 10. Heck, just check to see who played at USC. It is called Tailback U for a reason. White is pretty damn good between the lines. I would like to think he is getting good between the ears but that is to be determined.

On Point 7 of competition I would have to spin in this way. The window to win a Superbowl is short...very short. We could all agree the Colts are within that window. It is starting to slowly close. Addai, as a rookie, either has to play at a level normally beyond a rookie RB or set the bench. The Colts, opinion, do not have the luxury to slowly work him into the offense this year. The team is too damn close to winning it all.

Technically, yes, he has fewer people competing for touches. Despite that fact his touches or time on the field is crucial. He will not get an opportunity to make mistakes. If he cannot learn the game at NFL speed, then he is not going to get snaps. The Colts have far too much at stake this season. Addai is in a total sink or swim situation. I would never wish ill will on a kid trying to make it. I hope he is up to the task but that program is asking a hell of a lot out of a rookie RB.

On the other hand you have White coming to a team...sorry Titan fan...that is going to be out of the running by October. White enters an offense he already knows. Knows the terminology. Knows blocking schemes. Knows audibles. He does not need to learn as much nor are the stakes as high.

White is on a team that has nothing to lose. When the Titans being to slide, where is the incentive to continue to let White ride the pine? Hell, where is the incentive to not let him start or compete to start from Day 1? Perhaps, White is the guy. Bad team. Young defense. Potential rookie QB starting. Young WR. Sure sounds like a team that could use a pile moving, ground pounding RB. Unlike Addai, White, opinion, is in a situation that is not nearly as bad as perception would have it.

He might push his lycra hamstring pants and uniform bottoms beyond the material's physical properties but I still think White bounces away with the Offensive ROY award. You won't be able to get him at Pick 5 after camps start.

mightyeskimo, not picking on you at all. You had a well presented case. I am just looking at some of the points in a different manner.

If the Titans have another season like last season, the entire front office and coaching staff will likely get canned. You won't see Fisher likely trying to work in the youngsters until they are proven to be better than their veteran counterparts. Im not sure I see White being more effective than Chris Brown this year.

While Im sure White is getting into game shape, you have to wonder just how long his "conditioning" and I use that term loosely, will last into the NFL season, where we'll conditioned rookies usually start to drop off 3/4th of the way into the season.

 

[WhoDat]

Good stuff in here.

On Point 5 of talent and being NFL ready I would say that I have to disagree.  Does Addai have a better perspective, personality and psychological profile?  Yes, he is more mature.  Does Addai have skills that are more suited for the offense ran by the Colts.  Perhaps.  Does Addai have more NFL ability than White.  No. 

White is currently paying for his transgressions.  Had he not half assed what was asked of him between the Rose Bowl and late weekend in April that kid goes Top 10.  The Titans, opinion, got a steal with White.  White's soft body of work was not built against Mother Mary's Sisters of the Poor.  The kid holds some impressive records.  Do a quick search of RB from the Pac 10.  Heck, just check to see who played at USC.  It is called Tailback U for a reason.  White is pretty damn good between the lines.  I would like to think he is getting good between the ears but that is to be determined.

On Point 7 of competition I would have to spin in this way.  The window to win a Superbowl is short...very short.  We could all agree the Colts are within that window.  It is starting to slowly close.  Addai, as a rookie, either has to play at a level normally beyond a rookie RB or set the bench.  The Colts, opinion, do not have the luxury to slowly work him into the offense this year.  The team is too damn close to winning it all. 

Technically, yes, he has fewer people competing for touches.  Despite that fact his touches or time on the field is crucial.  He will not get an opportunity to make mistakes.  If he cannot learn the game at NFL speed, then he is not going to get snaps.  The Colts have far too much at stake this season.  Addai is in a total sink or swim situation.  I would never wish ill will on a kid trying to make it.  I hope he is up to the task but that program is asking a hell of a lot out of a rookie RB. 

On the other hand you have White coming to a team...sorry Titan fan...that is going to be out of the running by October.  White enters an offense he already knows.  Knows the terminology.  Knows blocking schemes.  Knows audibles.  He does not need to learn as much nor are the stakes as high. 

White is on a team that has nothing to lose.  When the Titans being to slide, where is the incentive to continue to let White ride the pine?  Hell, where is the incentive to not let him start or compete to start from Day 1?  Perhaps, White is the guy.  Bad team.  Young defense.  Potential rookie QB starting.  Young WR.  Sure sounds like a team that could use a pile moving, ground pounding RB.  Unlike Addai, White, opinion, is in a situation that is not nearly as bad as perception would have it.   

He might push his lycra hamstring pants and uniform bottoms beyond the material's physical properties but I still think White bounces away with the Offensive ROY award.  You won't be able to get him at Pick 5 after camps start.     

mightyeskimo, not picking on you at all.  You had a well presented case.  I am just looking at some of the points in a different manner.

If the Titans have another season like last season, the entire front office and coaching staff will likely get canned. You won't see Fisher likely trying to work in the youngsters until they are proven to be better than their veteran counterparts. Im not sure I see White being more effective than Chris Brown this year.

While Im sure White is getting into game shape, you have to wonder just how long his "conditioning" and I use that term loosely, will last into the NFL season, where we'll conditioned rookies usually start to drop off 3/4th of the way into the season.

Interesting observation...locker room and front office politics and how will they fit into who sits and plays. At what point does Fisher and Co. become a lame duck staff and have decisions made for them by team management? Thus, if the Titans are struggling when is Fisher told not asked but told to play White, Young, etc...Game shape and the rookie wall... Does White run up to it; through it or attempt to eat it? I am opting to give the young man a chance and shot at redemption. You cannot deny the talent. You cannot deny the poor attitude. You cannot deny the kid is on the inmature side of 25 and is going to make or has made a few mistakes. I think he turns it around.

I put White on an equal level with C. Brown at this point in terms of combining opportunity with talent. Plenty of pluses and minuses to be assessed to either. The only difference is that I think White's ceiling is FAR higher than Brown's and that Fisher might not be the person pushing personnel decisions come mid to late October.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

If the Titans have another season like last season, the entire front office and coaching staff will likely get canned.

I've heard this a few times from people. I'm curious on couple of points on this.(1) Is this the general consensus of Titan Nation?(2) Would Fisher and co. get a pass with taking Young, knowing that he is a project for a year or two?(3) Why would the Titan fire him? Who could the Titans get that is a better coach than Fisher?(4) Why make the change after spending only one year of teaching Young and White the system, only to have to start all over again in a year?Any thoughts or insight on any of these would be appreciated.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

Any thoughts on the questions I had listed above?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

5. Addai is a more talented back in the pro game at this point. Better pass blocker, better receiver out of the backfield, and a shiftier runner. Not that White is a poor RB. It's just that he's not as good as Joseph in those areas yet.

not sure what you are basing this point on?

Research! What else?! Game film. Watching them play. Reading the OTA and mini-camp reports. Reading the profiles done by scouters. Reading others opinions and analysis. Reading interviews from former college coaches and current pro coaches. I'm sure your question comes from the fact that they haven't played yet. Which I can understand. However, all evidence so far points to Addai being a better pro back than White at this point.

Link(s) ?