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{DYNASTY} Once FA hits, who loses value? Who gains? (1 Viewer)
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Increase
Beanie Wells
Beanie Wells
Dr. Octopus
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Carson Palmer?How will FA increase his value? It's been pretty much universally stated that Mike Brown will not give in and trade him.
Scooby
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unless Dwill resigns with carolina which is still a possibility, then moreno's would go up.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Reasoning? He's not gonna end up in Philly....
jeter23
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I am assuming he gives in and Palmer is moved. Maybe with the Bengals track record, that is a poor assumption. Even if he is traded (or cut) he does not gain a ton of value, but he is basically worthless now and did finish as QB 11 in my leagues last year. Could definitely be a value for another year or 2.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
I think most people expect Denver to land D.Williams but I don't think it's gonna happen. I think theres a better chance he comes back to Carolina than him going to Denver.
One thing I thought it was Peter King said today is that if he gets traded it will probably be closer to the trade deadline than now as the Bengals can wait and still get the same price and maybe more for a team that is desperate and they get to show they cant be walked over that easy.
Sinrj
Footballguy
Moreno's value can only go up. Everyone assume Williams is going to Denver.
dmac37
Footballguy
Gain Value:
Fitz
Kolb
Stewart
D Williams
Steve Smith (Car)
Cotchery- has put up numbers in PPR except for last year because of Holmes and Edwards in the mix (at least one will be gone) but also because he battled an injury all year. Cotchery dropped passes he never would have dropped in the past, a healthy Cotch as the Jets #2 WR will be a bargain in PPR.
Fitz
Kolb
Stewart
D Williams
Steve Smith (Car)
Cotchery- has put up numbers in PPR except for last year because of Holmes and Edwards in the mix (at least one will be gone) but also because he battled an injury all year. Cotchery dropped passes he never would have dropped in the past, a healthy Cotch as the Jets #2 WR will be a bargain in PPR.
Bamac
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Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
How could he be the biggest?
mcintyre1
Footballguy
I think there's a big chance Manningham is one of the biggest losers, as I expect Smith to re-sign (if healthy).
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Footballguy
Anywhere would be an upgrade. With Warner there they didn't run. Now with the worst QB play in the league they stacked the box. I could see any as upgrade:green baycincinattiMiamiTampaIndyWashingtonI could keep going. I am just not a believer in anyone in Arizona.
gianmarco
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We all know the Nicks love. I've got it too. But consider this from last year:I think there's a big chance Manningham is one of the biggest losers, as I expect Smith to re-sign (if healthy).
Nicks -- 12 games started (13 played) -- 79/1052/11
Targets -- 128
YPR -- 13.3
Catch % -- 62%
TDs/target -- 8.5%
Manningham -- 8 games started (16 games played) -- 60/944/9
Targets -- 92
YPR -- 15.7
Catch % -- 65%
TDs/target -- 9.7%
So all the love for Nicks and it seems Mario was actually even more productive. He has a higher YPR AND a higher catch % AND a higher TD per target (and rec) %. Of course, there's no guarantee he gets as many targets, but if he does, he may even outproduce Nicks. He's only 25. And even the previous year, he had 57/822/5.
And Mario still put up nice #'s as the #3 guy in that offense.
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sihaokills
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Decreaseaniel Thomas
Instinctive
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But he's not a Free Agent. You think he will be traded for during TC, or cut?
Mr Rodgers neighborhood
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You can cross Green Bay off the list. I think they're happy with Grant/Starks/Green. And if anyone thinks Ted Thompson is going to trade picks for Wells they need to have their head examined.'Multiple Scores said:
NeverEnough
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What do you see happening with Randy?'rzrback77 said:
FavreAndAwayAnIdiot
Footballguy
Up= Sidney Rice
The guy's a stud, and getting out of Minny can only help him.
The guy's a stud, and getting out of Minny can only help him.
rzrback77
Footballguy
Getting signed somewhere, anywhere.
Reuniting with McDaniels in STL?
loose circuits
Footballguy
I agree with Moreno going up. It's almost like people have Deangelo already on the Broncos roster, but there is a good chance they have competition for his services.
Cotchery is another one if he can sneak in and get his job back. He's a solid WR2 for NFL purposes
One that hasn't been mentioned in Mike Sims-Walker. He needs a home right now. Don't think I can move him for a 3rd definitely not a 2nd. Should end up somewhere with a shot to start and chance to make an impact
Cotchery is another one if he can sneak in and get his job back. He's a solid WR2 for NFL purposes
One that hasn't been mentioned in Mike Sims-Walker. He needs a home right now. Don't think I can move him for a 3rd definitely not a 2nd. Should end up somewhere with a shot to start and chance to make an impact
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eakfootball
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i wouldn't be suprised if Bradahaw went to Miami, Williams to NYG, and Ced Benson to Denver.
Couch Potato
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If they sign Bradshaw or DWill, yes, obviously. But if they instead sign R Bush or Sproles, his value increases since he's already being discounted now by the possibility of the first two names being signed.'sihaokills said:Decrease
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Scooby1974
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Who goes to Cincy in this scenario?
Couch Potato
Footballguy
While I think Benson stays in CIN, the name I keep hearing if he leaves is Ronnie Brown.
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Roy Williams, Braylon Edwards, Chad Ochocinco
I expect Roy to be released by Dallas since they're over the cap.
I expect all three of these guys to sign somewhere where they can be a #1 or #2 option. Ocho in NE is a rumor that could be huge for him.
Roy Williams, Braylon Edwards, Chad Ochocinco
I expect Roy to be released by Dallas since they're over the cap.
I expect all three of these guys to sign somewhere where they can be a #1 or #2 option. Ocho in NE is a rumor that could be huge for him.
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Captain Hook
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Assuming that is Carson Palmer, HOW do you figure his value increases?He sold his home in CincinnatiHe is NOT returning there (for sure this year and probably not next year)Brown is not only cheap but very stubborn - I would be shocked as would most if he trades Palmer which is the only thing that would give him any valueWhen FA begins, who will see an increase in their dynasty value? Who's will decrease?I'll start with some easy ones...Increasealmer ???
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Not sure I agree with the bolded part. He's going 1.04-1.06 in most Rookie drafts I've taken place in or read about. His game film plus measurables do not equate that draft position, IMO. Almost all of the analysis that has him over Williams and LeShoure is based on the assumption that he'll get more carries than them from the get go. If/When that fails to materialize, I think his value plummets. Maybe it's an exceptionally weak draft class but I'm at a loss to the credit attributed to him after watching a lot of tape on him. I don't see anything in his explosiveness, acceleration, cut back ability or running style that makes me think anything but "pedestrian NFL back". I'm digressing though, apologies.If they sign Bradshaw or DWill, yes, obviously. But if they instead sign R Bush or Sproles, his value increases since he's already being discounted now by the possibility of the first two names being signed.'sihaokills said:
Captain Hook
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Increase - Vincent Brown (if Floyd signs elsewhere)
Decrease - Vincent Brown (if both VJax and Floyd are both Chargers)
Increase - Steve Breaston (if he stays in AZ and the Cards trade for Kolb
Decrease - Steve Breaston (at least for this year if he signs as expected in Kansas City)
Decrease - Jon Baldwin (if Breaston signs in KC)
Increase - Andre Roberts (if Breaston signs anyplace other than AZ)
Big Increase - Roberts (if Breaston leaves and Kolb or Orton arrive in AZ)
Decrease - Vincent Brown (if both VJax and Floyd are both Chargers)
Increase - Steve Breaston (if he stays in AZ and the Cards trade for Kolb
Decrease - Steve Breaston (at least for this year if he signs as expected in Kansas City)
Decrease - Jon Baldwin (if Breaston signs in KC)
Increase - Andre Roberts (if Breaston signs anyplace other than AZ)
Big Increase - Roberts (if Breaston leaves and Kolb or Orton arrive in AZ)
Couch Potato
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Try trading him with the cloud of uncertainty hanging over him due to the possibility of a front-line FA RB signing with the team, then get back to me. Trust me, he's being discounted in the eyes of FFers, and rightly so. Where he's landing in rookie drafts doesn't tell the story since that's a very limited universe of players.Not sure I agree with the bolded part. He's going 1.04-1.06 in most Rookie drafts I've taken place in or read about. His game film plus measurables do not equate that draft position, IMO. Almost all of the analysis that has him over Williams and LeShoure is based on the assumption that he'll get more carries than them from the get go. If/When that fails to materialize, I think his value plummets. Maybe it's an exceptionally weak draft class but I'm at a loss to the credit attributed to him after watching a lot of tape on him. I don't see anything in his explosiveness, acceleration, cut back ability or running style that makes me think anything but "pedestrian NFL back". I'm digressing though, apologies.If they sign Bradshaw or DWill, yes, obviously. But if they instead sign R Bush or Sproles, his value increases since he's already being discounted now by the possibility of the first two names being signed.'sihaokills said:
sihaokills
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I like him a lot more if he goes to Miami with one of the best O Lines in the game
sihaokills
Footballguy
I hate Roy Williams... Probably be beaten out by every receiver on any team he goes on
massraider
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Miami is trading for one of the best O-lines in the league?
Carolina Hustler
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I'd like to see Malcolm Floyd or Sidney Rice moved to Chicago. I think Chicago is an ideal place for a big WR. And I think Cutler benefits from a move like this.
Roy Williams is another big guy who could help somewhere, but I don't think he has the head on his shoulders to pair up with the other potato head (Cutler) and come out with good results.. Move Roy to Carolina. He likely won't produce any better, but his fantasy value will increase based on speculation and the perception of 'new beginnings'..
Obviously Stewart's and Goodson's value increase if Williams leaves. But I don't think D-Will is definitely leaving. Richardson says his focus is on Charles and Williams, and says he hasn't thought much about S-Smith..
S.Smith could land somewhere nice and re-juice his final years.. I expect he'll gain some fantasy value if he's moved.
I don't own Manningham, so I hate on him a bit, but if Steve Smith is not resigned, or not ready to play, I think Manningham will be a great WR2 this year.
Roy Williams is another big guy who could help somewhere, but I don't think he has the head on his shoulders to pair up with the other potato head (Cutler) and come out with good results.. Move Roy to Carolina. He likely won't produce any better, but his fantasy value will increase based on speculation and the perception of 'new beginnings'..
Obviously Stewart's and Goodson's value increase if Williams leaves. But I don't think D-Will is definitely leaving. Richardson says his focus is on Charles and Williams, and says he hasn't thought much about S-Smith..
S.Smith could land somewhere nice and re-juice his final years.. I expect he'll gain some fantasy value if he's moved.
I don't own Manningham, so I hate on him a bit, but if Steve Smith is not resigned, or not ready to play, I think Manningham will be a great WR2 this year.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Dallas would probably rather take a loss in a trade with Williams as a throw in, than to release him and still take the cap hit..
loose circuits
Footballguy
if they trade him they take the cap hit anyways. I doubt he goes anywhere because of this- cap figure will cost more to release/trade him than keep him
loose circuits
Footballguy
Hasn't Martz come out and said they don't need a big WR? That's all media hype
K, makes total sense. I was referring to value lost in terms of draft position but I can see value being already low for those possessing him. I avoided in all drafts, even as low as 1.09.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
I don't know if it's hype.. But my eyes and head see a need for a big guy Cutler can rely on..
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
That's a nice post. I had kind of written Manningham off, but those numbers are intriguing. Still don't know if I'm 100% sold, but both the totals and the production level were both better than I would have guess off the top of my head.We all know the Nicks love. I've got it too. But consider this from last year:I think there's a big chance Manningham is one of the biggest losers, as I expect Smith to re-sign (if healthy).
Nicks -- 12 games started (13 played) -- 79/1052/11
Targets -- 128
YPR -- 13.3
Catch % -- 62%
TDs/target -- 8.5%
Manningham -- 8 games started (16 games played) -- 60/944/9
Targets -- 92
YPR -- 15.7
Catch % -- 65%
TDs/target -- 9.7%
So all the love for Nicks and it seems Mario was actually even more productive. He has a higher YPR AND a higher catch % AND a higher TD per target (and rec) %. Of course, there's no guarantee he gets as many targets, but if he does, he may even outproduce Nicks. He's only 25. And even the previous year, he had 57/822/5.
And Mario still put up nice #'s as the #3 guy in that offense.
