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[DYNASTY] Overall Player Rankings (3 Viewers)

Who is the #28 player to own in a dynasty league?

  • RB Cedric Benson, CHI

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  • QB Tom Brady, NE

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  • QB Mark Bulger, STL

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  • RB Reuben Droughns, CLE

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  • TE Tony Gonzalez, KC

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  • WR Marvin Harrison, IND

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  • TE Todd Heap, BAL

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  • RB Julius Jones, DAL

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  • RB Jamal Lewis, BAL

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  • QB Eli Manning, NYG

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  • QB Donovan McNabb, PHI

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  • TE Jeremy Shockey, NYG

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  • RB Chester Taylor, MIN

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  • WR Reggie Wayne, IND

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  • Other

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As a continuation of the work OZ (and Tick) did in his positional dynasty polls, I am going to run a series of polls on overall player rankings in a dynasty league. This will allow us to see both how people's values of the players have changed in the last couple of months and how people value the players relative to each other across positions. I am going to attempt to get as many of these done before the NFL Draft as possible because player values will fluctuate wildly at that point, and I may just let OZ take over with a new series of position polls at that point. (I am also doing this before the Draft because some of us have fantasy drafts starting that day.) In order to make this most applicable to everyone, let's assume a standard lineup and scoring rules.

Standard fbg scoring rules:

1 pt per 10 yards rushing/receiving

6 pts per rushing/receiving TD

1 pt per 20 yards passing

4 pts per passing TD

-1 per INT

3 pts per FG

1 pt per XP

Lineup:

1 QB

2 RB

3 WR

1 TE

1 RB/WR/TE flex

1 K

1 D

I started this poll by including the top ten players in the staff rankings plus the consensus top rookie. I don't expect these polls to mirror the staff rankings, and there should be some interesting discussion as a result, but I will add the next players to the poll from the staff rankings if necessary. I would prefer to add players only after they have gotten a couple of other votes in the previous poll. Some of these players probably won't get any votes for now, but I'm not going to temporarily remove them as OZ did because I don't think the clutter among the poll choices will be an issue for now. Anyway, on to the rankings.

1. RB LaDainian Tomlinson, SD

2. RB Larry Johnson, KC

3. RB Shaun Alexander, SEA

4. RB Clinton Portis, WAS

5. RB Steven Jackson, STL

6. RB Ronnie Brown, MIA

7. (Runoff) RB Cadillac Williams, TB

8. RB Reggie Bush, NCAA

9. (Runoff) RB Lamont Jordan, OAK

10. RB Willis McGahee, BUF

11. QB Peyton Manning, IND

12. (Runoff) RB DeAngelo Williams, NCAA

13. WR Larry Fitzgerald, ARI

14. RB Edgerrin James, ARI

15. WR Chad Johnson, CIN

16. RB Rudi Johnson, CIN

17. WR Steve Smith, CAR

18. (Runoff) RB Tiki Barber, NYG

19. (Runoff) RB Kevin Jones, DET

20. TE Antonio Gates, SD

21. WR Torry Holt, STL

22. (Tie) RB Deuce McAllister, NO

(Runoff) WR Randy Moss, OAK

24. (Tie) WR Anquan Boldin, ARI

(Runoff) QB Carson Palmer, CIN

(Runoff) RB Brian Westbrook, PHI

27. WR Terrell Owens, DAL

Who is the #28 player to have in a dynasty league? If you vote other please list the player. If you think someone else should be added next round let me know.

Also feel free to vote in the runoffs that are still listed as ties above, as they are only ties until someone gets enough votes to separate himself.

 
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I agree with Wayne but I voted for Tom Brady because of what he has proven allready. In start 3 WR Wayne may be more valuable to have though.

 
Very tough for me. It was between Brady, Lewis and Wayne. RBs and WRs have to be generally more valuable because of the flex position. Brady might be in for a down year without any proven complement to Deion Branch. Went Wayne, but really close

 
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Interesting results so far; we haven't heard any Benson voters yet.
I know it is dynasty but I just have a hard time picking up Benson at this spot too many good WR left on the board to pick up a back who is a backup to a guy who played well 2 years in a row.
 
Interesting results so far; we haven't heard any Benson voters yet.
I disagree with but I can understand choosing Brady or Wayne here or possibly even JLewis, but it's really getting tough to pass on Benson's potential. If you agree with DeAngelo Williams' top 12 pick in this poll then do you really think Benson should still be on the board this late? Benson was part of the "big 3" at this time last year and some scouts had him graded out as the top RB coming out of college. Look at how highly Brown and Caddy are ranked and the main difference between them and Benson is that Benson missed training camp and started slowly out of the gate (Although he did show flashes once the game 'slowed down' for him sometime around mid-season). OTOH if the other two-thirds of '05s big three RBs had missed training camp as did Benson last season would they be ranked so highly? He also arguably had the best starter ahead of him (out of the "big 3") in Thomas Jones. Granted Thomas Jones performed so well last season that it has totally deflated Cedric's short-term dynasty value, but Benson might not be as far from the featured starting role as some might think, and without TJ in front of him Benson would likely have been taken early to mid 2nd round at worst in most dynasty drafts. The next few seasons in Chicago are a golden opportunity waiting to happen for a fantasy RB when you consider their great young defense and dedication to the running game. When you stop to consider just how bad their '05 offense really was :X and how much better they should be in '06; it just screams out to me that whoever is the starting RB in Chicago will have a breakout season. Now there's even talk of TJ being traded to Indy (which makes a helluva lot a sense to me and would greatly increase the fantasy value of both). Also, Chicago's quarterback situation is greatly improved from last season and they should have a legit passing game in '06. :unsure:

Shaun Alexander, Deuce McAllister, Larry Johnson, & Steven Jackson weren't handed the starting role immediately out of college either, but the savvy dynasty owner who acquired them and waited a season or two on them either have been, or are being rewarded currently for doing so. (How many fantasy champions in 2006 had either Alexander or LJ on their teams?). Obviously Benson hasn't proven as much as these guys but at this stage I'm very comfortable 'taking a chance' on him...

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Interesting results so far; we haven't heard any Benson voters yet.
I disagree with but I can understand choosing Brady or Wayne here or possibly even JLewis, but it's really getting tough to pass on Benson's potential. If you agree with DeAngelo Williams' top 12 pick in this poll then do you really think Benson should still be on the board this late? Benson was part of the "big 3" at this time last year and some scouts had him graded out as the top RB coming out of college. Look at how highly Brown and Caddy are ranked and the main difference between them and Benson is that Benson missed training camp and started slowly out of the gate (Although he did show flashes once the game 'slowed down' for him sometime around mid-season). OTOH if the other two-thirds of '05s big three RBs had missed training camp as did Benson last season would they be ranked so highly? He also arguably had the best starter ahead of him (out of the "big 3") in Thomas Jones. Granted Thomas Jones performed so well last season that it has totally deflated Cedric's short-term dynasty value, but Benson might not be as far from the featured starting role as some might think, and without TJ in front of him Benson would likely have been taken early to mid 2nd round at worst in most dynasty drafts. The next few seasons in Chicago are a golden opportunity waiting to happen for a fantasy RB when you consider their great young defense and dedication to the running game. When you stop to consider just how bad their '05 offense really was :X and how much better they should be in '06; it just screams out to me that whoever is the starting RB in Chicago will have a breakout season. Now there's even talk of TJ being traded to Indy (which makes a helluva lot a sense to me and would greatly increase the fantasy value of both). Also, Chicago's quarterback situation is greatly improved from last season and they should have a legit passing game in '06. :unsure:

Shaun Alexander, Deuce McAllister, Larry Johnson, & Steven Jackson weren't handed the starting role immediately out of college either, but the savvy dynasty owner who acquired them and waited a season or two on them either have been, or are being rewarded currently for doing so. (How many fantasy champions in 2006 had either Alexander or LJ on their teams?). Obviously Benson hasn't proven as much as these guys but at this stage I'm very comfortable 'taking a chance' on him...

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This is a great argument.2 questions:

1. do you buy talk of Jones being traded.

2. I agree that Benson should be looked at to grab as he has the potential to be a very good player but this is a high pick is he worth this high of a pick or are you just rating him based on what you think of his skills. What I am saying is would you pick him in a dynasty if you were on the clock and you had just picked Portis and Holt in a 12 team league?

 
I am the person who had to mention Benson's name twice just to get him listed. I mentioned that this pick is a tossup between him and Lewis IMO.

The fact that he didnt start last season doesnt mean much. This is a workhorse back who was selected in the top 5 of the NFL draft only one year ago. He will start at some point and its likely to be sooner rather than later. Even though he might not start this season, he will likely get a serious amount of playing time. Even if he didnt play at all this year, he's still worth this pick. This is one of the premier young RBs in a league full of older starters. He's going to be around longer than most of today's starters. He's also more talented than half of today's starters.

This is a Shaun Alexander, Willis McGahee, Larry Johnson, Steven Jackson, Lamont Jordan type of pick. People undervalued all of those guys because they weren't starting at the time. Yet once they did start, they were top ten material. What's more, Benson was selected higher in the NFL draft than any of those names I just mentioned. Benson is a top ten material back and this is pick 28. He's a steal. Just because he's not one of this year's rookies and not getting the present hype doesnt mean a thing. Unlike Bush, there's no question that Benson could carry a workhorse load. Deangelo Williams could be sitting on the bench longer than Benson. He's just as good of a pick as either of those two. Yet both of those guys were gone 16 picks ago. Benson is the better bargain. He should have gone before many of the players already picked.

As always, people weigh far too much of a player's value based on last season. I've said this over and over because its true in all leagues even redrafts. Do that in a dynasty draft and you'll be getting spanked hard by the dynasty vets.

 
Interesting results so far; we haven't heard any Benson voters yet.
I know it is dynasty but I just have a hard time picking up Benson at this spot too many good WR left on the board to pick up a back who is a backup to a guy who played well 2 years in a row.
Benson here is ridiculous. Even if you are looking for a young RB it makes no sense to take him over the other RB's who will be starting this year.
 
I am the person who had to mention Benson's name twice just to get him listed. I mentioned that this pick is a tossup between him and Lewis IMO.

The fact that he didnt start last season doesnt mean much. This is a workhorse back who was selected in the top 5 of the NFL draft only one year ago. He will start at some point and its likely to be sooner rather than later. Even though he might not start this season, he will likely get a serious amount of playing time. Even if he didnt play at all this year, he's still worth this pick. This is one of the premier young RBs in a league full of older starters. He's going to be around longer than most of today's starters. He's also more talented than half of today's starters.

This is a Shaun Alexander, Willis McGahee, Larry Johnson, Steven Jackson, Lamont Jordan type of pick. People undervalued all of those guys because they weren't starting at the time. Yet once they did start, they were top ten material. What's more, Benson was selected higher in the NFL draft than any of those names I just mentioned. Benson is a top ten material back and this is pick 28. He's a steal. Just because he's not one of this year's rookies and not getting the present hype doesnt mean a thing. Unlike Bush, there's no question that Benson could carry a workhorse load. Deangelo Williams could be sitting on the bench longer than Benson. He's just as good of a pick as either of those two. Yet both of those guys were gone 16 picks ago. Benson is the better bargain. He should have gone before many of the players already picked.

As always, people weigh far too much of a player's value based on last season. I've said this over and over because its true in all leagues even redrafts. Do that in a dynasty draft and you'll be getting spanked hard by the dynasty vets.
I guess you don't mind losing the first year of a dynasty?Seems to be that a lot of people think he's in LJ's position with a dominant OL and an old RB in front of him. There's no reason why he won't be in RBBC the next two years since the Bears have to keep TJ because of his contract.

 
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I guess you don't mind losing the first year of a dynasty?
This sounds like an insult, but for many, it's a bona fide strategy. I tried it last year, failed miserably (ended up with a top 3 team in a 20 team league)

 
I guess you don't mind losing the first year of a dynasty?
This sounds like an insult, but for many, it's a bona fide strategy. I tried it last year, failed miserably (ended up with a top 3 team in a 20 team league)
It's certainly a strategy and one that can work out if things go right, like they did for you, but I'd rather find a balance between winning now and the future. Benson may be a great back some day, but he's like taking Lamont Jordan in 2002 because he is too good to stay a backup and CMart is old. To me it's not worth waiting that long for a chance that I'll have a good starting RB someday.With that said, I have Benson as the #22 RB in a dynasty as of now before the draft and he could move up or down if the Panthers, Steelers, Broncos draft a RB.

 
I guess you don't mind losing the first year of a dynasty?
This sounds like an insult, but for many, it's a bona fide strategy. I tried it last year, failed miserably (ended up with a top 3 team in a 20 team league)
It's certainly a strategy and one that can work out if things go right, like they did for you, but I'd rather find a balance between winning now and the future. Benson may be a great back some day, but he's like taking Lamont Jordan in 2002 because he is too good to stay a backup and CMart is old. To me it's not worth waiting that long for a chance that I'll have a good starting RB someday.With that said, I have Benson as the #22 RB in a dynasty as of now before the draft and he could move up or down if the Panthers, Steelers, Broncos draft a RB.
When I say failed miserably, I mean I ended up with a team that won the division, scored well enough for me to make $ in the league.
 
I guess you don't mind losing the first year of a dynasty?
This sounds like an insult, but for many, it's a bona fide strategy. I tried it last year, failed miserably (ended up with a top 3 team in a 20 team league)
It's certainly a strategy and one that can work out if things go right, like they did for you, but I'd rather find a balance between winning now and the future. Benson may be a great back some day, but he's like taking Lamont Jordan in 2002 because he is too good to stay a backup and CMart is old. To me it's not worth waiting that long for a chance that I'll have a good starting RB someday.With that said, I have Benson as the #22 RB in a dynasty as of now before the draft and he could move up or down if the Panthers, Steelers, Broncos draft a RB.
When I say failed miserably, I mean I ended up with a team that won the division, scored well enough for me to make $ in the league.
I guess I should have wrote "it can work out if things go wrong". ;)
 
This sounds like an insult, but for many, it's a bona fide strategy.

I tried it last year, failed miserably (ended up with a top 3 team in a 20 team league)
I always use the simple strategy of picking the youngest and most talented players first and the worst I've finished in the first year is the middle of the pack. Anyone who equates picking a unproven yet extrememly talented young stud early with losing is ignorant. Its the guy who makes the Tiki Barber type of pick who is usually at the bottum of the standings year 1, year 2, year 3, and so on until they wake up and either change their strategy or quit the league.
 
This sounds like an insult, but for many, it's a bona fide strategy.

I tried it last year, failed miserably (ended up with a top 3 team in a 20 team league)
I always use the simple strategy of picking the youngest and most talented players first and the worst I've finished in the first year is the middle of the pack. Anyone who equates picking a unproven yet extrememly talented young stud early with losing is ignorant. Its the guy who makes the Tiki Barber type of pick who is usually at the bottum of the standings year 1, year 2, year 3, and so on until they wake up and either change their strategy or quit the league.
I'm all for getting young, talented players - it's ones who are backups that I don't go for, unless they slip to a place where they have value. I would love to have you in my league if you would take Benson over Tiki.
 
While I can see the point of those being proponents of taking Benson here and thus ranking him this high I still do not agree with it.

Thomas Jones is not old and has 2 more years on his contract. Benson was not able to beat him out last year and when Jones was injured and Benson got his chance to play he quickly got injured himself.

I draft with a 3 year window in mind. I want players that can help me now and hopefully maintain thier value 3 years from now. If not I try to trade them before thier value plumets. Sometimes I will give up a player a year or 2 early because of this but that is my overall goal that I weigh against what value I can get in return for any and all players.

Players who have proven to be successful in the NFL allready carry a bit more weight for me. How do I know that Benson can beat out Thomas Jones? That Jones will be traded? If Benson does play will he be mired in RBBC? Can Benson stay healthy even if he does get the starting role?

This to me is far too much risk without offering enough reward compared to players who are much more solid such as Tom Brady. Brady offers every aspect of my philosophy of the 3 year window of playing at a very high level and maintaining his value.

Reggie Wayne has shown enough as well as the teams commitment to him for me to see him as a very valuable player to have over the next 3 years and whos value should only increase.

This is pick 28. If I must take a Rb here... I do not look at the overall ranking of this poll in this way.. but if I must take a Rb here I would be more willing to take a risk on Drougns or Jamal Lewis who have less compitition and have proven more than Benson has. And who are also in the 3 year window for me. I would have to consider Chester Taylors current situation as well. There are risks with these backs also which is why I would favor Brady or Wayne and even some other players over them. But these other Rbs seem more sound picks to me than the risks involved with Benson. Bensons lofty draft status is the only thing I can see here that would cause a person to reach for him over these other more sound players.

Now if your basing your strategy on a players draft status/upside and youth I can understand why Benson would be your choice. However in my experience these 2 factors are not as important as a player who has proven thier worth, is in a good situation and still has plenty of longevity to maintain thier value.

 
We could still use a few more votes here to narrow it down to one or at most two.
Just a word of advice, or warning. You will get bogged down a lot from this point forward. I'd consider just taking the top vote getter after a certain time. But, it's your call of course.

 
We could still use a few more votes here to narrow it down to one or at most two.
Just a word of advice, or warning. You will get bogged down a lot from this point forward. I'd consider just taking the top vote getter after a certain time. But, it's your call of course.
Yeah, I'm not really sure what to do here. This is the first time I've seen someone with a 2-vote lead, but 15-13-12-12-10 isn't very convincing. Also the shark pool's attention seems to now be drawn more toward the NFL draft threads, and it's going to be more difficult to get votes as the draft approach and even more difficult afterward. I'll leave this up for a little while yet but hopefully put a new poll up tonight.
 

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