[Dynasty] Patoons WR Rankings (1 Viewer)

[Patoons]

I've followed Fear and Loathing's thread/blog for the past two years. It inspired me to start my own blog which I launched a week and a half ago(Retired Rookie). I posted my WR PPR rankings last night and I'll include my top 60 below (ranked 87 but want to truncate a bit). Would love to get some commentary going.

1. Calvin Johnson, DET

Superman. He was phenomenal without a QB last year and they’re starting to put some more weapons on the field and are spending the money for someone to get him the ball. I wouldn’t trade him for anything.

2. Larry Fitzgerald, ARI

Fantastic showing in the playoffs. Like CJ, I wouldn't trade him for anything. He should be around and productive for years. Some concern if Leinart takes over.

3. Andre Johnson, HOU

He seems to get injured every other year, but I can't rank him based on that. Another stud who will consistently put up numbers. He reminds me of TO.

4. Greg Jennings, GB

Before last season, I questioned whether he would continue to put up the stats with Favre out of the picture. He clearly did and became a little bit more of a possession WR than in 2007. Rodgers to Jennings should be a nice hook up for some time.

5. Roddy White, ATL

While the addition of Tony G. may limit his opportunities, I like the Falcons to run the ball less and throw a lot more with Ryan having a year of experience under his belt. Wish he were a little bit younger.

6. Dwayne Bowe, KC

Likely to see more double teams without Gonzalez, but he should also see more opportunities. The upgrade of Thigpen to Cassel will also help.

7. Anquan Boldin, ARI

His value will take a hit if he goes elsewhere, but I can see Fitzgerald and Boldin both having 100 reception seasons this year. Boldin's still got 4-5 years of top numbers ahead of him. Some may say that Boldin is Warner's favorite target. After the playoffs last year, I'm not buying that, but these two guys are tremendous WRs.

8. Reggie Wayne, IND

Starting to get up there, but he's always been a hard worker and solid producer. With Dungy gone, there is some concern, but he should still produce at a high level with Peyton.

9. Randy Moss, NE

Another aging veteran, but with Brady back and healthy, he should have double digit TDs yet again.

10. Wes Welker, NE

PPR machine who just goes out there and plays. Give me this unheralded WR any day of the week.

11. Marques Colston, NO

Knee injury concerns me. When healthy, he has the potential to be top 5 with Brees throwing him the ball. If he comes into camp without limitations and looks like he'll start the year without any issues, I'll bump him up right between White and Bowe.

12. Brandon Marshall, DEN

Another guy with issues, but of a different kind. You have to wonder when he'll get it and stop messing around. As an owner you have to be concerned. Orton as a starter doesn't help his value either as Denver will likely run the ball quite a bit more than last year. While I'm ranking him this high based on talent and the hope that he'll get his head on straight, I'm steering clear.

13. Steve Smith, CAR

Hopefully for Smith, Delhomme can hang in there for another year. Smith has some nasty speed and is able to get some nice separation. He should continue to produce at a top level.

14. Braylon Edwards, CLE

His 17 TD season in 2007 may have been the anomaly, but 2008 wasn't an indication of his talent. He'll improve in 2009, but not to the 2007 level.

15. Michael Crabtree, SF

Not as good a prospect as Calvin and Fitzgerald, but should be productive. If only he had a QB.

16. Santonio Holmes, PIT

The 2008 Super Bowl run seems to have resulted in better chemistry between him and Big Ben. I'm not sure if he'll ever make the leap to stud status, but his quickness and ability to get open should be utilized for a number of years.

17. Vincent Jackson, SD

Rivers has finally come into his own and it seems that VJax has at the same time. He's yards per catch is somewhat concerning, but I think this year he may have a transition similar to what Jennings had in 2008 (i.e., he becomes a little bit more of a possession guy at times and his ypc levels out).

18. Eddie Royal, DEN

Have to love his ability to get open. The change from Cutler to Orton won't help him in 2009. He and Cutler seemed to have phenomenal chemistry. He'd have a much better career with Cutler than Orton and whoever may replace him.

19. Hakeem Nicks, NYG

Love this kid. Great hands, great route runner coming from a pro-style college offense. He should be the #1 option immediately and for years to come.

20. Anthony Gonzalez, IND

Filling in for Harrison last season as a starter, he went over 100 yards a number of times.

21. Jerricho Cotchery, NYJ

Now the official #1 option in New York. Hard worker who runs solid routes and has great hands making him a nice PPR option. Should get back over 1,000 yards receiving in 2009. He always seems to struggle with getting in the end zone, though.

22. Antonio Bryant, TB

Always loved him at Pitt and he finally got his act together last season. The QB situation is unstable in TB, but he'll be the #1 option. Seems to be undervalued currently in dynasty leagues.

23. Percy Harvin, MIN

Love what I've been reading about moving him all over the field and the positive news out of OTAs. He's climbed up my rankings since my rookie rankings. I do have some issues with the fact that he's not a fantastic route runner. If they use him in open space and take advantage of his quickness and speed, he should be Reggie Bush as a WR. If not, I'd drop him significantly.

24. DeSean Jackson, PHI

Started off like a bat-out-of-hell, but quickly cooled off. I'm not sure the addition of Maclin helps, but McNabb seems to like this guy.

25. Chad Johnson, CIN

He should again be productive in 2009 with a healthy Palmer. Comeback player award?

26. T.J. Houshmandzadeh, SEA

Consistent PPR guy who produced even with garbage at QB in Cincy. He'll see a little more competition for balls in 2009 than 2008, but should be a solid #2/borderline PPR #1 WR for another year or two.

27. Donnie Avery, STL

There were a few games that really helped Avery's stats last season. The Bulger and SJax injuries didn't help him in 2008, but he seemed to perform better than Holt and take over the #1 spot.

28. Kenny Britt, TEN

As I noted in my rookie rankings, I love this kid and think he'll have a Bowe-like rookie year and shoot up the charts in 2009. Love how he attacks the ball.

29. Jeremy Maclin, PHI

Should be a solid player and may take over as McNabb's favorite and leave Jackson in the dust, but I’m not ready to put him there just yet. Fluid runner who should produce well.

30. Devin Hester, CHI

With Cutler, 2009 will be a breakout year for Hester and I think he breaks 1,000 yards. I'm certain to take heat over this ranking but Hester has shown maturity at the WR position in the past two years. There were also a significant number of times in 2008 where Hester was under thrown on a bomb. That shouldn't happen with Cutler.

31. Lee Evans, BUF

TO should help him a little bit, but his growth seems to have stunted. He had potential to be the next Holt, but he's been too inconsistent. I don't think it gets that much better.

32. Steve Smith, NYG

Absolutely love this kid and always have since he left USC. Runs great routes and has great hands. Had 50 receptions as a slot guy in 2008 and has developed the trust of Manning. He will never be a #1 WR on any team, but should complement Nicks nicely and be a solid #3 WR for fantasy purposes starting in 2009.

33. Ted Ginn Jr., MIA

Quietly had a nice 2008 and finished out the season nicely. I like him to continue to develop in 2009.

34. Santana Moss, WAS

Another inconsistent WR who will have a down 2009 with his QB struggling and the emergence of either Thomas or Kelly at the #2 spot.

35. Terrell Owens, BUF

Should have a year left at solid #2 WR production.

36. Roy Williams, DAL

Not really a fan of him, but I'll be the first to admit that I may be naïve to his production throughout his career and ignoring the positive signs.

37. Brian Robiskie, CLE

Will start immediately and should be a solid possession guy for Quinn and help open things up a bit for Braylon.

38. Steve Breaston, ARI

Came out of nowhere in 2008. I have him this high currently based on the potential that Boldin's dealt. His value will bump up significantly if Boldin is traded. As a #3 WR and with no injuries to Boldin or Fitz, he probably won't be better than a low-end #3 option.

39. Darrius Heyward-Bey, OAK

Not much of a fan of him, but he's got fantastic speed and Russell can sure throw a bomb.

40. Lance Moore, NO

The shoulder surgery is somewhat concerning, but he's the #2 WR in one of the most explosive offenses in the league. Could he be the next Welker? 2008 was sure a nice start to fulfilling that prophecy.

41. Miles Austin, DAL

He's got a lot of potential. As I mentioned, I'm not a fan of Roy and Austin definitely has the opportunity to become the #2 option behind Witten for Romo. Romo seems to like to throw the streak to Austin. I'm buying this kid assuming that he takes the #2 spot. He’s got decent upside.

42. Earl Bennett, CHI

The Vandy connection is back. Cutler pleaded with Denver to draft Bennett last season and the two are back and reunited. Despite the fact that Bennett was a ghost in 2008, I like Cutler to get him back on track as the Bears #2 WR. Very underrated right now.

43. Hines Ward, PIT

Getting up there and the torch seems to have been passed to Holmes if the Super Bowl run is any indication. I don't see him reaching the 1,000 yard mark again, but he could be a decent #4 WR option.

44. Laveranues Coles, CIN

Coles seems to have gotten a bit older quickly over the past two seasons. I'd take him as a stable #4 option for fantasy purposes, but his upside is clearly limited.

45. Torry Holt, JAX

Bone on bone in his knee isn't positive, but he's the #1 option on a team with a solid running game and offensive line, which should open him up for a solid 2009 campaign.

46. Jordy Nelson, GB

Great route runner who I think will take the #2 WR spot from Driver once he retires. I like Jones as well, but unfortunately for him, Nelson looks to be a better possession guy to complement Jennings.

47. Chaz Schilens, OAK

Classic example of an underrated player coming on strong at the end of last season and performing well the following. Love his size, hands and work ethic. Also love the stuff I've been hearing coming out of Oakland. I'm buying this guy anywhere I can.

48. Jerome Simpson, CIN

Simpson was a bit lost in the shuffle last year trying to pick up the pro style game after coming out of a small school system. Unfortunately for Simpson, he has a lot of guys ahead of him. I really like him to ultimately take over CJ's starting spot in a year or two, you'll have to be patient. I think he'll pay dividends and he can be had for cheap.

49. Bernard Berrian, MIN

Not a fan at all and never have been, but he is currently the #1 WR in Minnesota. The less than stellar QBs throwing him the ball don't help his ranking, nor does the drafting of Harvin. I personally wouldn’t draft him as I don't see him being in the league as a starter in a year or two.

50. Josh Morgan, SF

It’s too bad for Morgan that Crabtree was drafted by SF. Another guy who has gotten rave reviews both last year, as well as this offseason. It's going to be tough to keep him off the field if he's playing well, but Crabtree should have his starting gig.

51. Pierre Garcon, IND

Another small school guy that I really love. Rave reviews have been coming out of Indy on this kid. He should win the #3 WR spot in Indy over Roy Hall. I can see him producing later on in 2009 and taking some opportunities from Gonzalez. Dare I say he takes over the #2 WR spot in 2009!? I'm not there just yet, but I think it's definitely possible.

52. James Jones, GB

Like his skills, but wish Nelson weren't around. Disappointing 2008 due to injuries and could start the season nicely and take opportunities from Nelson, but I'm not buying it. I think Nelson is too consistent.

53. Jarrett Dillard, JAX

Like his upside and the opportunity is there for the taking.

54. Donald Driver, GB

On his last legs. This is his last season, in my opinion.

55. Plaxico Burress

He should eventually catch on somewhere after it's confirmed that he won't see jail time. If he does see jail time, that'll be the end of his NFL career.

56. Laurent Robinson, STL

Big time sleeper in 2009. Burton has a history of knee injuries and Robinson is just a year removed from a solid rookie season in 2007. 2008 was riddled with injuries which hampered his ability to produce.

57. Davone Bess, MIA

Another underrated guy. The Miami staff loves the kid and he should be a solid PPR guy. I don't like the drafting of multiple WRs in the 2009 draft, otherwise I would rank him higher.

58. Derrick Mason, BAL

Too old. Should have one more year with decent stats though.

59. Chansi Stuckey, NYJ

Everyone seems to be ignoring this kid, but it seems that he's the #2 WR in NY. Do not sleep on him, he's very underrated as a NFL WR. He showed that in 2008 as the #3 WR in NY.

60. Malcolm Kelly, WAS

If healthy, I like him to take the #2 job. The only problem is the "if healthy" and I'm not sure he is.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I have nothing to add, but wanted to brag that in my start 4 wr league, I have Calvin, AJ, Jennings, and Holmes.

 

[fruity pebbles]

way low on steve smith

 

[Patoons]

way low on steve smith

Delhomme makes me nervous. To me, there's a decent question mark in Carolina at that spot and I don't see him getting more than 10 TDs in a season again. Smith needs Delhomme to be there for a few more years and I don't think that's going to happen. I don't see Delhomme making it past this season and Smith struggled significantly in 2007 without him.I also generally start dropping WRs who are 30+. While having said that, the reason I have Wayne, Moss and Boldin ahead of Smith here is really the TD total and reception potential, which I see as more for these three guys given their situations and respective QBs for the next 3-4 years.

 

[identikit]

Devin Thomas doesn't make the top 60?

 

[Patoons]

Devin Thomas doesn't make the top 60?

No, I have him at 61. I think Kelly is more talented and supposedly he's running in OTAs without problems. I like Kelly to win the #2.

 

[fruity pebbles]

They just extended Delhomme, he's not going anywhere for awhile. SS just turned 30, he's younger than both Wayne and Randy and put up better numbers than either last year. I can see him being behind both but can't fathom taking either Marshall or Colston ahead of him. Both of whom have much bigger concerns than Delhomme. Welker i can see an argument for but i'd rather have SS pretty easily and im a huge Welker fan.

 

[Patoons]

They just extended Delhomme, he's not going anywhere for awhile. SS just turned 30, he's younger than both Wayne and Randy and put up better numbers than either last year. I can see him being behind both but can't fathom taking either Marshall or Colston ahead of him. Both of whom have much bigger concerns than Delhomme. Welker i can see an argument for but i'd rather have SS pretty easily and im a huge Welker fan.

I wouldn't fault someone taking Smith over Marshall/Colston, but I prefer the upside in these two regardless of the current concerns. When not suspended/healthy, they are top notch PPR options. In a startup, I'd take either over Smith right now and go for the upside/youth and take the risk.

 

[fruity pebbles]

They just extended Delhomme, he's not going anywhere for awhile. SS just turned 30, he's younger than both Wayne and Randy and put up better numbers than either last year. I can see him being behind both but can't fathom taking either Marshall or Colston ahead of him. Both of whom have much bigger concerns than Delhomme. Welker i can see an argument for but i'd rather have SS pretty easily and im a huge Welker fan.

I wouldn't fault someone taking Smith over Marshall/Colston, but I prefer the upside in these two regardless of the current concerns. When not suspended/healthy, they are top notch PPR options. In a startup, I'd take either over Smith right now and go for the upside/youth and take the risk.

Think you're placing a bit too much weight on age personally. Colston's knee and Marshall's rock head may cause them to flame out before SS begins the age decline.

 

[Biabreakable]

Patoons I always like reading your stuff (especialy IDP) and thanks for inviting us to your blog.

This list is interesting. What is the methodology behind how you arrive at your rankings for dynasty?

All this fancy new stuff people keep showing off has me feeling really really sloooow.

 

[Patoons]

Re: Delhomme's extension which I didn't address. While he was extended, I don't think it's going to stop Carolina from drafting a QB next season. Delhomme doesn't seem to have what he did in the Super Bowl run and he likely isn't bringing them there again.

 

[Sleeping King]

Re: Delhomme's extension which I didn't address. While he was extended, I don't think it's going to stop Carolina from drafting a QB next season. Delhomme doesn't seem to have what he did in the Super Bowl run and he likely isn't bringing them there again.

Replacing Delhomme would not make me move Smith down in rank. If anything I would view it as a good thing. They won't replace him with Carr/Moore. 2007 was disaster control at QB and he still had 1000 yards.

 

[Patoons]

This list is interesting. What is the methodology behind how you arrive at your rankings for dynasty?

Generally: 1) I avoid and devalue mediocre players regardless of the situation (which is where I've got guys like Curtis, Chambers, Berrian, etc. low)2) I value youth quite a bit more than solid older guys which is why I've got Coles, Moss, etc. relatively low compared to a lot of others3) Once a WR hits 30, I drop them unless they have 90+ rec. and 10+ TD potential.4) Players with solid QBs will get a bit more love than those that don't (I say generally because a guy like Harvin is unique)5) I generally don't drastically drop 2nd year players in my rankings from my rookie rankings if they had a rough rookie season6) As noted above, I take risks like Colston's knee/Marshall's legal issues into consideration, but will take the risk over limited upside.7) I don't take fantasy draft situation into account, obviously, so if I'm in a draft and I've got a ton of younger guys, I may take an older WR a little bit earlier than my rankings to round out a balanced squad.8) These aren't where I'd draft each player. For example, I wouldn't draft Schilens/Stuckey that early because I know I can get him much later on.

 

[FUBAR]

I have nothing to add, but wanted to brag that in my start 4 wr league, I have Calvin, AJ, Jennings, and Holmes.

thanks for sharing.<--- Calvin, AJ, White and Marshall

 

[Biabreakable]

Hard to critique these Rankings without knowing how they were arrived at.

At 1st blush you seem to be overvaluing youth imo. But without knowing your reasoning behind the rankings and what destination they intend to reflect it is hard to say.

As a frame of reference are you using a time horizion? What else goes into these rankings? Projections?

ETA - I see some answers there in post 13 while I was asking this.

 

[Ernol]

Nice job Patoons! I will definitely bookmark your blog. I like your WR rankings in general and will post later on specific comments once Ive sorted through your list.

 

[Patoons]

Replacing Delhomme would not make me move Smith down in rank. If anything I would view it as a good thing. They won't replace him with Carr/Moore. 2007 was disaster control at QB and he still had 1000 yards.

It depends who they replace him with. It'll take a year or so for the QB to get accomodated more than likely and Smith's production would suffer. And he finished as the 16th WR in my league with his ppg all over the place. I'd much prefer a consistent guy who has a solid QB situation. I don't think 13 is a bad ranking for a WR, I just wouldn't want him as my #1 WR.

 

[Patoons]

At 1st blush you seem to be overvaluing youth imo. But without knowing your reasoning behind the rankings and what destination they intend to reflect it is hard to say.

That's probably a fair assessment, but I'd prefer to error on that end, because I always know that I can get a productive aging WR for relatively cheap if a young guy busts.

As a frame of reference are you using a time horizion? What else goes into these rankings? Projections?

Time horizon is approx. 4-5 years.Projections do go into it, but given my time horizon, they aren't the driving factor. I don't like to project more than the current year given how factors can drastically change.

 

[Biabreakable]

At 1st blush you seem to be overvaluing youth imo. But without knowing your reasoning behind the rankings and what destination they intend to reflect it is hard to say.

That's probably a fair assessment, but I'd prefer to error on that end, because I always know that I can get a productive aging WR for relatively cheap if a young guy busts.

As a frame of reference are you using a time horizion? What else goes into these rankings? Projections?

Time horizon is approx. 4-5 years.Projections do go into it, but given my time horizon, they aren't the driving factor. I don't like to project more than the current year given how factors can drastically change.

I agree and I do and have projected out 3 years a lot (not usualy every team). The projections for years 2 and 3 are always a disaster lol.I will go over this more thouroughly and post comments once I have.Thanks again for sharing this.

 

[Sleeping King]

Replacing Delhomme would not make me move Smith down in rank. If anything I would view it as a good thing. They won't replace him with Carr/Moore. 2007 was disaster control at QB and he still had 1000 yards.

It depends who they replace him with. It'll take a year or so for the QB to get accomodated more than likely and Smith's production would suffer. And he finished as the 16th WR in my league with his ppg all over the place. I'd much prefer a consistent guy who has a solid QB situation. I don't think 13 is a bad ranking for a WR, I just wouldn't want him as my #1 WR.

You do mean 16th in 2007 right? The QB carousel he had to go through that year was abysmal. There is no QB they could bring in that would be worse than David Carr and Matt Moore. I'll have to disagree with your evaluation of him being a #1 WR because I would likely have him at #4-#5. However I do appreciate the effort since it gives me something to read.

 

[Patoons]

You do mean 16th in 2007 right? The QB carousel he had to go through that year was abysmal. There is no QB they could bring in that would be worse than David Carr and Matt Moore. I'll have to disagree with your evaluation of him being a #1 WR because I would likely have him at #4-#5. However I do appreciate the effort since it gives me something to read.

2007, correct. The QB may not be worse, but he may not be more productive than the two of them in his rookie season. I'm ok with to agree to disagree, the critique is appreciated.

 

[Biabreakable]

A few comments.

Greg Jennings - At 4 is really high but Jennings prooved he is a elite WR by doing so Well with Rodgers. I recall me and Chaos Commish discussing him having route refinement similar to Marvin Harrison when he was just a rookie prospect. I probably wouldn't have him this high. But I hate the Packers lol.

Dwayne Bowe - At 6 is just too high. I would at least want to see how he responds to the extra attention the defense is sure to give him now with Gonzo gone. I would look at him like Jennings last year. There are some questions still need to be answered with him in my eyes.

19. Hakeem Nicks, NYG - I understand the exuberence for Nicks with Eli. Still cannot see how you could have him ahead of Anthony Gonzalez with the better Manning. I think there is a role for Barden and Nicks doesen't have obvious advantages like Plax does. Could hurt Nick's RZ looks. I think Steve Smith in the Toomer role will get the most targets of any WR in 2009.

What might be interesting is a comparison of your redraft rankings and these. The long time horizion has me agreeing with a lot of what I see.

Philisophicly I think a 4-5 year time horizion works best with a team that is rebuilding and is too long a view for a team in contention now. You may chase youth over unprooven players and hurt your starting lineup in trades at times with a strat like this. But again it is about how you might use the rankings. I believe you already stated that this is not how you would draft in a start up dynasty (without considering ADP ect. obviously). And trades can also be more perception based.

Good stuff.

 

[madd futher]

No love for Sidney Rice at all??

 

[Patoons]

No love for Sidney Rice at all??

Rice is at 62 for me.He was super raw coming out of school and has been hampered by injuries. Combine that with the drafting of Harvin and the lackluster QB options in Minnesota, I can't jusitify ranking him any higher. He's still young and could emerge eventually, but I'd much rather take a shot at the others.The rankings from 61-87 can be found on my blog.

 

[Patoons]

Greg Jennings - At 4 is really high but Jennings prooved he is a elite WR by doing so Well with Rodgers. I recall me and Chaos Commish discussing him having route refinement similar to Marvin Harrison when he was just a rookie prospect. I probably wouldn't have him this high. But I hate the Packers lol.

I just can't justify dropping him any further down the list here after last season. I'm assuming Rodgers doesn't regress, which should keep him up in the top 5.

Dwayne Bowe - At 6 is just too high. I would at least want to see how he responds to the extra attention the defense is sure to give him now with Gonzo gone. I would look at him like Jennings last year. There are some questions still need to be answered with him in my eyes.

There are some questions with his work ethic, but I really think that without Gonzalez and the improvement at the QB situation, that he should be fine and even improve.

19. Hakeem Nicks, NYG - I understand the exuberence for Nicks with Eli. Still cannot see how you could have him ahead of Anthony Gonzalez with the better Manning. I think there is a role for Barden and Nicks doesen't have obvious advantages like Plax does. Could hurt Nick's RZ looks. I think Steve Smith in the Toomer role will get the most targets of any WR in 2009.

Barden is intriguing and I love Smith (as you can see from my ranking of him) as a possession guy. However, I don't think Barden is going to push Nicks. Nicks clearly doesn't have the same build as Burress, but I Nicks should become Eli's #1 guy very quickly. He's got extremely reliable hands and attacks the ball nicely. Nicks is also ready to plug and play right away. As a side note, I'd be a bigger fan of Barden if he were elsewhere.

Philisophicly I think a 4-5 year time horizion works best with a team that is rebuilding and is too long a view for a team in contention now. You may chase youth over unprooven players and hurt your starting lineup in trades at times with a strat like this. But again it is about how you might use the rankings. I believe you already stated that this is not how you would draft in a start up dynasty (without considering ADP ect. obviously). And trades can also be more perception based.

I always draft for balance, which is why I noted above that these rankings aren't necessarily the way I draft. I'd potentially pass on a younger potential guy for an older productive WR to round out my WR squad.I typically won't draft all young talent straight off. I usually complement with an older guy. For example, my most recent draft was HA4 and this was my draft at the WR spot (1 ppr across the board):I need to start 4 of these guys and think Boldin, Holmes, Hester, Coles should be fine for me. Coles is my solid old anchor. I always like to round out my WR squad with a guy like him:2.06 18. Patoons Boldin, Anquan ARI WR 3.07 31. Patoons Holmes, Santonio PIT WR 6.09 69. Patoons Harvin, Percy MIN WR ® 7.07 79. Patoons Hester, Devin CHI WR 8.07 91. Patoons Ginn Jr., Ted MIA WR 9.02 98. Patoons Coles, Laveranues CIN WR 10.11 119. Patoons Austin, Miles DAL WR11.06 126. Patoons Smith, Steve NYG WR 14.06 162. Patoons Simpson, Jerome CIN WR 17.07 199. Patoons Turner, Patrick MIA WR ® 18.06 210. Patoons Hill, Jason SFO WR 23.07 271. Patoons Schilens, Chaz OAK WR 24.06 282. Patoons Stuckey, Chansi NYJ WR

 

[King of the Jungle]

Nice post, enjoyed the read. Cool blog.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Kevin Walter???

 

[Patoons]

Kevin Walter???

He's at 70 for me. Walter is one of those mediocre WRs who has limited upside and I typically don't consider drafting. Granted he was a top 30 PPR WR last season, but I can't see him matching or coming close to 900 yds and 8 TDs again. I think he belongs in the 40-45 WR ranking range for the next year or two, but given the limited upside, I drop him in my dynasty rankings a bit. He has AJ, Slaton and Daniels ahead of him as options so he really isn't on my radar. If he slips in a draft, I'd consider drafting him, but for the most part I'm staying away.I know he's one of your WRs who you think is seriously underrated and maybe I'm doing some of that, but I think he's mediocre.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Why so low on Ocho Cinco?

 

[Patoons]

Why so low on Ocho Cinco?

In 2009, I think he hits 1,000 yards again with Palmer healthy, but he's on the downside of his career. He just disappeared last year. The guys I currently have ranked ahead of him have much more upside in dynasty format. I was going back and forth with him and Desean for the #24 spot, but Desean's age and solid rookie season gives him the edge for me right now. Ocho is one who has some potential to climb a little bit this offseason for me with how hard he seems to be working to get back. I can't see me ranking him higher than 22 though.His trade value is not very high and it won't be going forward due to his age.Where do you rank him and who do you see ahead of him and why?

 

[Pictus Cat]

I seem to be defending Ocho alot, but

Annual WR rank before Carson was hurt.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/JohnCh01-2.php

Rnk Rec Yds TDs

6th 93 1440 8

4th 87 1369 7

4th 97 1432 9

9th 95 1274 9

3rd 90 1355 10

If he can give me another 5 -7 years of the performance he had with a healthy Carson...

I think he is also a good candidate to go for a ring when his contract is up.

Your rankings seem to value youth alot, but what could you do with a team of presumably more predictable talent, only 5ish years left in the tank?

 

[KellysHeroes]

I'll be passing on Bowe in favor of Colston / Welker / Wayne myself

 

[AnonymousBob]

I would take Chad over Cotchery, Nicks, Vincent, Bryant, Gonzalez without question. I might take him over Holmes, Harvin, DeSean (though probably not).

He's 31. I see no reason he can't continue to be great for several seasons more. You seem to be putting an awful lot of stock into last year when he was injured, Palmer was out, and the team was a complete train wreck. This year it's only a partial train wreck.

I don't care if I can't get much for the guy - if his value is really this low he's a great buy imo.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

In 2009, I think he hits 1,000 yards again with Palmer healthy, but he's on the downside of his career. He just disappeared last year. The guys I currently have ranked ahead of him have much more upside in dynasty format.

I also generally start dropping WRs who are 30+.

You seem to have this notion that 30 is old for a WR, when it isn't at all. Chad Johnson and Steve Smith are only 31 and 30 years old. 28-33 years of age is like the peak of a WR's career, not the "downside" of their careers.

 

[Patoons]

I seem to be defending Ocho alot, but

Annual WR rank before Carson was hurt.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/JohnCh01-2.php

Rnk Rec Yds TDs

6th 93 1440 8

4th 87 1369 7

4th 97 1432 9

9th 95 1274 9

3rd 90 1355 10

He had a totally different team in these seasons and he was also in the prime of his career. He had Rudi/Dillon and Housh on the other side with one of the better offensive lines in the year. Now the o-line is aged, replace Housh with Coles (downgrade) and Rudi/Dillon with Benson (downgrade), the defense will clearly be focusing all their efforts towards CJ. With that being said, I agree that he's undervalued this season and potentially in 2010, but I'm not sure that he has 5-7 years as you noted. Very few WRs are playing at high levels from 36-38. Of course it's possible he turns things around this year and works his tail of the remainder of his career off the field and he does last until 36-38, but I'm not putting him there just yet.

Your rankings seem to value youth alot, but what could you do with a team of presumably more predictable talent, only 5ish years left in the tank?

I agree, they do and I think I noted that above. To become a dominant dynasty team, you need to get young guys who break out and carry your team. If you go with the older guys, you're going to have a very limited window to grab the trophy. My philosophy is balance with a slight weight on youth.I will take a few older productive guys, but taking too many of them will soon lead to a skeletal team struggling to keep up a few years down the road. I go for the youth and grab the older guys later on. To reiterate, the rankings don't necessarily reflect how I will draft as I traditionally draft a balanced squad.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Great job, Patoons! I do think Coles and 85 are a little low. That offense will put up stats at least for the next couple of years. Also, I think looking at a time view point longer than 2-3 years is risky .....

Overall, I love seeing a different point of view. I like seeing rankings (and the reasoning behind them) of those that differ from mine.

 

[millertyme1]

FINALLY someone with Welker in the Top 10 in PPR.

I think Ocho's still top 15 with Palmer healthy.

Edwards has much to prove that he's more than the new Chris Chambers (making a nice grab every now and then but plagued by constant drops). Out of my Top 20.

No shot I put Nicks in the Top 20. In the minority, but believe Manningham will emerge there. (i.e. I don't believe Nicks is or will be in the next couple years their #1 WR)

As much as I can never get myself to own Evans, no shot I put him below Hester (whom I think will be in the 50+ range next offseason).

Britt's in the 40's for me. Suspect hands & present/future QB issues.

Overall, nice work.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

50. Josh Morgan, SF

It’s too bad for Morgan that Crabtree was drafted by SF. Another guy who has gotten rave reviews both last year, as well as this offseason. It's going to be tough to keep him off the field if he's playing well, but Crabtree should have his starting gig.

Everything I've read suggests that Crabtree and Morgan will be the starters. What have you heard differently?

 

[Patoons]

I'll be passing on Bowe in favor of Colston / Welker / Wayne myself

Fair enough.Re: Colston, before his new knee surgery news, I would too (and I did).Re: Wayne, being a little older has Bowe ahead of him for me.Re: Welker, he's definitely consistent, but he is unreliable from a TD standpoint. If his TDs were higher, I'd tend to agree with you.

You seem to have this notion that 30 is old for a WR, when it isn't at all. Chad Johnson and Steve Smith are only 31 and 30 years old. 28-33 years of age is like the peak of a WR's career, not the "downside" of their careers.

I agree it's not old. I also note that Smith should be solid for a number of years, but his QB situation has me a bit worried so I knock him down a number of spots and I don't think he'll put up the same stats as the guys ahead of him. The reason I typically steer clear from WRs around 30 (depending on the player) is because that's where their trade value starts to dip and value is what fantasy is all about for me. It's the only way to continuously field a solid team. I've seen a number of teams be successful with the older players in the short-term, but they seem to be on the edge of a cliff waiting for those guys to become less than stellar.

He's 31. I see no reason he can't continue to be great for several seasons more. You seem to be putting an awful lot of stock into last year when he was injured, Palmer was out, and the team was a complete train wreck. This year it's only a partial train wreck.

I 100% agree that he's undervalued this season, but from a dynasty standpoint I'd still rather the players ahead of him. I am not steering clear of him and in some leagues where I think I'm on the brink. I'm buying him in those leagues, but from a pure dynasty value standpoint I don't think he has 4-5 years of WR#1 or #2 production so I'm not ranking him as such. I think he has 1 or 2 years of solid performance. Granted he may go to a high-octane offense team in the offseason, but there's no way you can rank him assuming that right now.

 

[Patoons]

Great job, Patoons! I do think Coles and 85 are a little low. That offense will put up stats at least for the next couple of years. Also, I think looking at a time view point longer than 2-3 years is risky .....Overall, I love seeing a different point of view. I like seeing rankings (and the reasoning behind them) of those that differ from mine.

Watching Coles as a Jet fan last year, I just don't think he has it anymore. Ocho I think I've addressed elsewhere.Beyond 2-3 years may be a bit risky, but even if I scale back and say I'm looking at 2-3 years (versus 4-5) my rankings wouldn't adjust all that much based on my value premise comment above (it just may bump some of the older WRs a few spots).

 

[loose circuits]

since you went thru the effort of posting your rankings, I'll post my critiques. Please don't take offense, to generate discussion only.

1. Calvin Johnson, DET

I'd probably take him here too. Personally think he is the best playmaker in the NFL waiting to bloom. All reports on Stafford are better than expected so that is what put him here IMO.

2. Larry Fitzgerald, ARI

flip a coin

3. Andre Johnson, HOU

flip a coin

4. Greg Jennings, GB

no arguments here. He's impressed me every time I've seen him with the ball in his hand. Very underrated after the catch IMO. I've seen a nose for the EZ

5. Roddy White, ATL

this former 2X state champ wrestler belongs here. I might be able to convince myself to draft him ahead of Jennings.

6. Dwayne Bowe, KC

like this one too, defenses were already worried about him last year. He's done it with a host of QB's in his 1st 2 years in the league. Granted he's had his drops, but I think he'll put it together.

7. Anquan Boldin, ARI

About right for him, I would maybe have SS & Marshall ahead of him. He's had his share of dings. I hopefully his repaired body holds up.

8. Reggie Wayne, IND

I like Reggie, but am seeing younger WR's ahead of him because

9. Randy Moss, NE

I'm not really sure how many years Randy Moss has left. These guys usually end up on another team. I'd trade for him if I needed him in the stretch run, but I'm not sure I'd draft him in a upstart. Funny thing is, he could be top 4 in redrafts for me. Just don't want to be holding when the wheels fall of.

10. Wes Welker, NE

He is a beast in PPR leagues. Consistent as they come.

11. Marques Colston, NO

Knee injury concerns me too. I'm having trouble figuring out where I like him in redrafts. I'm definitely not buying in any of my dynasty leagues. Too high for a guy that has been injury prone.

12. Brandon Marshall, DEN

He got rid of that crazy Whatley lady. I have hope he'll keep his head on straight.

13. Steve Smith, CAR

Way too low. If Delhomme goes down, I think McCown or Moore could find Steve Smith. Especially with that dangerous running game. It's him or Bowe for 6 spot for me.

14. Braylon Edwards, CLE

love the upside. I'd be more likely to acquire him than Moss, Wayne, Colston. Eventually he will start making those routine catches. My question is whether Cleveland can put it together on offense. I just acquired him so I maybe bias.

15. Michael Crabtree, SF

You can't sell him at this value. I think you can take advantage of those people doubting SanFran. They have some weapons on offense. He's worth it IMO.

16. Santonio Holmes, PIT

I just don't ever see consistency. He's a guy that has some crappers, and some monster games. This year hopefully he takes that next step, but we'll see. I think this may be too high.

17. Vincent Jackson, SD

you didn't even mention the DUI's. This kid has some character concerns, but I love the blossoming talent. I think he'll only get better on the field, and hope he can straighten himself out though. His court date is this month, so watch the wire...

18. Eddie Royal, DEN

QB change doesn't help him, but the new system could possibly outweigh that. I like his odds in the Welker role. It's possible he breaks some long ones.

19. Hakeem Nicks, NYG

Are you kidding me? I love his upside too, but this is way too high for a kid that is running as the 3rd team flanker in OTA's.

20. Anthony Gonzalez, IND

I love the upside, but there is some risk

21. Jerricho Cotchery, NYJ

I can't really argue with him here, but he won't be on my team. No upside.

22. Antonio Bryant, TB

I agree that he's undervalued. He's on a 1 year deal, so who cares about Tampa's QB situation long term. I saw him make some amazing catches last year. I'm sold. I have him higher.

23. Percy Harvin, MIN

moving all over the field doesn't necessarily mean loads of fantasy potential. Not sure 4 runs, 3 catches, and a couple returns a game will mean fantasy success. Way too high if/when he beats out Rice for the WR2 role. Anything else and he could be just a gimmick. Never really seen it work.

24. DeSean Jackson, PHI

I like him as a NFL player, but I just don't see the consistency. He seems better suited as a slot WR, returner, rather than a WR1. Seems like Philly has a lot of those guys and the balls could easily be spread around.

25. Chad Johnson, CIN

I like him in redrafts, but he's too old for me to acquire on anything other than a deadline deal for a playoff run. I think he'll have a productive season, but I don't know about double digit TD's.

26. T.J. Houshmandzadeh, SEA

too old for my tastes, plus too many questions in Seattles offense for me to like much outside of Carlson. Maybe Duckett is decent value.

27. Donnie Avery, STL

He shows promise. I like him over the old guys.

28. Kenny Britt, TEN

You could be right. I'd have him below the other rookies.

29. Jeremy Maclin, PHI

Just not sure about ball distribution in Philly. I do like his upside because I think he's the closest to a WR1 they have.

30. Devin Hester, CHI

I like him more in non-PPR.

31. Lee Evans, BUF

I've never been that big of fan, but he deserves some respect now Buffalo has some consistency at QB and a threat across the field. Way too low. Put him ahead of every rookie not named Crabtree for sure.

32. Steve Smith, NYG

I hope you are right, but you can't sell him anywhere close to this. I do like the potential.

33. Ted Ginn Jr., MIA

Too low. He deserves consideration with the rooks.

34. Santana Moss, WAS

He may have been on my team once. Way too inconsistent.

35. Terrell Owens, BUF

Not for me.

36. Roy Williams, DAL

This is ridiculous low. He deserves to be near top 20 based on upside now that he's WR1 in Big D. I think Romo we'll get his despite a run focused offense. Roy will benefit from that extra safety in the box.

37. Brian Robiskie, CLE

I like him just as much as any of the other rooks (besides Crabs).

38. Steve Breaston, ARI

He's proven he can get it done. I'd put him ahead of the rooks.

39. Darrius Heyward-Bey, OAK

Not for me. I like Schilens more.

40. Lance Moore, NO

Great value here. If Brees can do what he did after a labrum tear, he should be ok.

41. Miles Austin, DAL

I agree about the potential, but he still hasn't cracked WR2 status yet as Crayton is running in 2 WR sets. Until that happens, I'm not sure he's good value here.

42. Earl Bennett, CHI

I like him as much as any of the rooks and the other guys mentioned with them.

43. Hines Ward, PIT

about right for Hines. Should have a few servicable years left.

44. Laveranues Coles, CIN

His upside isn't limited in TJ's role. I like him more than Hines.

45. Torry Holt, JAX

not on my team, but I could see myself acquiring him

46. Jordy Nelson, GB

too much competition, but the talent is certainly there.

47. Chaz Schilens, OAK

I sold during our draft and I'm pissed about it. I like him more than DHB at this moment. Acquire him now if your league is sleeping. If Jamarcus can start seeing the field, Schilens will be the guy.

48. Jerome Simpson, CIN

Way too high. Not sure i"ve read one positive report since he entered the league. He's also on the wrong side of the depth chart.

49. Bernard Berrian, MIN

He's in a high power offense. Amazing that you can have Harvin where you do and Berrian here. I have always been impressed with his knack for amazing catches and think Rosenfels can get him the ball. He's way too low. Top 30 WR IMO at least

50. Josh Morgan, SF

Injuries seem to be his issue. We'll see if he can stay healthy.

51. Pierre Garcon, IND

yeah, maybe...I'd like to see something...

52. James Jones, GB

see Jordy. I have them about the same

53. Jarrett Dillard, JAX

not for me. Mike Thomas is definitely higher on my board. Jacksonville will remain a run 1st team.

54. Donald Driver, GB

not even sure he's worth it here

55. Plaxico Burress

agreed, but deserves more than this ranking maybe

56. Laurent Robinson, STL

not sold on anything out of St. Louie not named Avery

57. Davone Bess, MIA

he's a steal in PPR. Even out of the slot, he'll produce. If he wins the WR2 role, more power too him.

58. Derrick Mason, BAL

agree his too old, but BAL didn't grab anyone else.

59. Chansi Stuckey, NYJ

I personally think Clowney is the guy, but Stuckey could be outstanding value. Then again they could sign a Vet.

60. Malcolm Kelly, WAS

Not for me. I haven't seen enough

If Antonio Bryant can sit out a year then end up where he is at, Matt Jones deserves to be mentioned with some of these scrubs.

other guys deserve mention, that haven't been already:

Camarillo

Hixon (based off where he is playing today)

C. Henry (ahead of Simpson on the depth chart)

Gage (had close to top 30 per game production last year, Collins loves him)

Mike Walker

Mike Thomas

Sweed

 

[AnonymousBob]

I don't understand how Chad is too old but Moss, Wayne, SS, are all okay.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Great job, Patoons! I do think Coles and 85 are a little low. That offense will put up stats at least for the next couple of years. Also, I think looking at a time view point longer than 2-3 years is risky .....Overall, I love seeing a different point of view. I like seeing rankings (and the reasoning behind them) of those that differ from mine.

Watching Coles as a Jet fan last year, I just don't think he has it anymore. Ocho I think I've addressed elsewhere.Beyond 2-3 years may be a bit risky, but even if I scale back and say I'm looking at 2-3 years (versus 4-5) my rankings wouldn't adjust all that much based on my value premise comment above (it just may bump some of the older WRs a few spots).

the targets/opportunity is one reason I think the two Bengal WRs are underrated for the next couple of years. Coles (even at this point) still has a chance to catch 75-80 balls (if not more) in the Bengal offense. My thinking is that Cincy will toss the ball a ton and someone will benefit. I think Coles and Chad could easily be Top 15 PPR WRs this yr. If Cotch and Coles could both be Top 20 in NYJ, then so can Chad and Coles in Cincy. Much better chance for big seasons.

 

[EBF]

Looks pretty good. I'm sure I could nitpick and find things I disagree with, but nothing stands out as flagrantly bad.

I think your take on Harvin/Berrian is accurate. There's no doubt in my mind that Harvin is the superior talent and the better overall football player. Berrian is a deep threat and a deep threat only. The wild card in that situation is Rice. If he can get separation in his routes, he can be a productive starter. He would definitely be in my top 60.

I'm not so high on Britt, Ginn, and Robiskie. Not my cup of tea.

 

[broncofan13000]

 

[Patoons]

Edwards has much to prove that he's more than the new Chris Chambers (making a nice grab every now and then but plagued by constant drops). Out of my Top 20.

Can't really argue with that since last season isn't helping his cause. I do think he has a lot more natural talent than Chambers does, though. I see him averaging somewhere between 2007 and 2008 from 2009 forward.

No shot I put Nicks in the Top 20. In the minority, but believe Manningham will emerge there. (i.e. I don't believe Nicks is or will be in the next couple years their #1 WR)

I don't think Manningham has the ability to create enough separation to be a productive NFL WR. Loved both Nicks and Britt before the draft and that hasn't chnaged with where they went.

As much as I can never get myself to own Evans, no shot I put him below Hester (whom I think will be in the 50+ range next offseason).

Love Hester. Cutler bumped him up quite a bit more for me.

Britt's in the 40's for me. Suspect hands & present/future QB issues.

Fair enough and this one does have big potential to prove me wrong. However, I think his hands are getting a bit too much play and the players I have ranked behind him aren't as talented. The QB situation is definitely an issue, though. He is young enough at

 

[Patoons]

50. Josh Morgan, SF

It’s too bad for Morgan that Crabtree was drafted by SF. Another guy who has gotten rave reviews both last year, as well as this offseason. It's going to be tough to keep him off the field if he's playing well, but Crabtree should have his starting gig.

Everything I've read suggests that Crabtree and Morgan will be the starters. What have you heard differently?

I've read that it will be Bruce (or even Hill) and Crabtree. Morgan and Crabtree are both split ends and assuming Crabtree signs, gets in camp and performs decelty well, he should be the starter. I could see Morgan taking a starting spot or Crabtree moving inside if Morgan continues to impress and perform well in the preseason. They won't be able to keep him off the field in that case. Right now, I'm not drafting him assuming his starting because the drafting of Crabtree seems to have pushed him into the background.

I don't understand how Chad is too old but Moss, Wayne, SS, are all okay.

There's a ton more uncertainty with Chad at this point based on last year's performance and his future uncertainty. While I think he'll rebound nicely, there's more of a "guarantee" that Wayne, Moss and SS perform well. Not only is Chad coming off a down year, but Palmer's coming off an injury as well. I can not currently justify ranking him higher than where I have him based on those two factors.

the targets/opportunity is one reason I think the two Bengal WRs are underrated for the next couple of years. Coles (even at this point) still has a chance to catch 75-80 balls (if not more) in the Bengal offense.

My thinking is that Cincy will toss the ball a ton and someone will benefit. I think Coles and Chad could easily be Top 15 PPR WRs this yr. If Cotch and Coles could both be Top 20 in NYJ, then so can Chad and Coles in Cincy. Much better chance for big seasons.

Fair points, though I do think Simpson will emerge a bit in the near term and Henry will also cut into the Coles production as well. I would definitely be shocked to see Coles top 20 this season and have more than 70 receptions. Chad I could buy top 15 PPR.

The wild card in that situation is Rice. If he can get separation in his routes, he can be a productive starter. He would definitely be in my top 60.

I somewhat agree on Rice and have him just outside of my 60 at 62. We knew he was raw out of SC and he was injured all last year. I don't think it'll be Harvin losing out though.

 

[Patoons]

Circuit - thanks for the thought out responses for each. I'm going to address some of your stronger responses:

19. Hakeem Nicks, NYGAre you kidding me? I love his upside too, but this is way too high for a kid that is running as the 3rd team flanker in OTA's.23. Percy Harvin, MINmoving all over the field doesn't necessarily mean loads of fantasy potential. Not sure 4 runs, 3 catches, and a couple returns a game will mean fantasy success. Way too high if/when he beats out Rice for the WR2 role. Anything else and he could be just a gimmick. Never really seen it work.

Re: Nicks - I thought more would have an issue here with this ranking. Only OTAs - not really concerned. His NFL readiness and situation has him up here for me.Re: Harvin - I think they'll involve him a bit more than 7 touches on the offensive side of the ball. I could see them using him on a bunch of screens or swing passes in lieu of running plays.

36. Roy Williams, DALThis is ridiculous low. He deserves to be near top 20 based on upside now that he's WR1 in Big D. I think Romo we'll get his despite a run focused offense. Roy will benefit from that extra safety in the box.39. Darrius Heyward-Bey, OAKNot for me. I like Schilens more.

Re: Roy - I think he's too inconsistent and he hasn't shown the ability to stay on the field. I'm steering clear. Though there are a large number of guys that love him this year based on the situation/talent, I'm just not one of them.Re: DHB - DHB probably has more potential than Schilens. I love what I'm reading about Schilens and think he'll be a starter there, but DHB can be special, though I do have my doubts. Without seeing him play on the next level yet, I'm not dropping him further than 40.

41. Miles Austin, DALI agree about the potential, but he still hasn't cracked WR2 status yet as Crayton is running in 2 WR sets. Until that happens, I'm not sure he's good value here.48. Jerome Simpson, CINWay too high. Not sure i"ve read one positive report since he entered the league. He's also on the wrong side of the depth chart.

Re: Austin - I know Crayton's running as the #2 currently, but I like Austin's shot at winning it. I probably wouldn't draft Austin at the 41st WR, but I think he'll win the job. Fair critique here. Re: Simpson - I've actually read a number of positive quotes from Lewis on Simpson. He came out of a small school and took a bit to get up to speed. He does have issues from a depth chart standpoint, but Coles isn't long for this world. As I mentioned, you'll need to be patient with him.

49. Bernard Berrian, MINHe's in a high power offense. Amazing that you can have Harvin where you do and Berrian here. I have always been impressed with his knack for amazing catches and think Rosenfels can get him the ball. He's way too low. Top 30 WR IMO at leastIf Antonio Bryant can sit out a year then end up where he is at, Matt Jones deserves to be mentioned with some of these scrubs.

Re: Berrian - I've never been a fan of him and I think he's mediocre. I'd be surprised to see him finish top 30.Re: Jones - I don't think any of the above are scrubs, but my issue with Jones is that his issue is with drugs, while Burress "shot himself". Not really a similar offense, in my opinion (and it's not something I really want to debate). However, I'm thinking that teams are probably more weary of Jones and his drug problems.If someone takes a shot on him, I'd definitely move him up. I'm just stuck wondering if anyone will. I think it's more likely that Burress is signed.

 

[LBH]

Pretty solid rankings patoons. Also nice follow up commentary loose circuits(and sorry you traded Chaz )

Patoons I find it interesting you have Edwards ranked 14th and Royal 18th since you recently told me you valued Royal higher. Has your opinion on either changed because my Braylon for Royal offer stands in HA1 .

I like mike walker over quite a few on the end of that list

 

[Patoons]

Patoons I find it interesting you have Edwards ranked 14th and Royal 18th since you recently told me you valued Royal higher. Has your opinion on either changed because my Braylon for Royal offer stands in HA1 .

This is the unfortunate part of posting my rankings and doing this blog! It makes it much more difficult to make deals in my leagues. Nothing has changed, I rank Edwards higher currently (and did when I wrote you that note). When I saw you were posting, I figured that was going to be your comment.It gets a bit more complicated when comparing my rankings to the leagues I'm in as well. While I rank Edwards higher, Royal's perceived value is higher than Edwards currently, so I was more playing off his perceived value when I told you I rank Royal higher. I usually try to make deals close to players' perceived values unless I think their value is plummeting or I really want a stud. I'm still reading stuff that Royal is equivalent to the 1.01-1.02 in rookie drafts. If that's the case, I don't want to sell Royal low, regardless of where I rank him. This is a bit off topic here, but in addition, before the Cutler trade, I gave up quite a bit to get Royal and it's a tough pill to swallow a few months later to deal Royal for Edwards straight since I think I could have given up less to get Edwards. I did like Royal more than Edwards before the Cutler deal.

I like mike walker over quite a few on the end of that list

As a rookie I was a huge fan. I'm not sure he'll ever stay healthy, though. That knee issue doesn't seem to be going away.