Dynasty prospects look kinda bleak this year (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

Maybe I'm off but I didn't see a lot of great places and players this past weekend.

QB

Sam Bradford (1.01) St Louis: Not a big fan of his. Think he will struggle on a bad team and I expect St Louis to be picking near the top again next season. Someone is gonna take him pretty high in dynasty but I don't see the same chance of success we saw other places.

Tim Tebow (1.25) Denver: I'm not gonna pile on. I thought the throwing mechanics that everyone harped on was overrated a bit. They have a plan for him, likely not gonna be a drop back QB. Think of Tebow kinda like Vick a few years back. He's not the same player and actually might have a better arm in terms of accuracy. Depends on where he fell in the rookie drafts but I would be interested at a certain point.

Jimmy Clausen (2.16) Carolina: All he has to do is beat out Matt Moore. Might not happen for a year or two but Fox usually allows his rookies to sit and observe. Clausen in 2012 might be a nice gem. He has talent and a superb ground game behind him. Not sure he lands in a better situation and he has a legitimate shot to start there.

Colt McCoy (3.04) Cleveland): Just no a fan of McCoy. He only has Delhomme really in front of him. He could be starting but not right away so that isn't a bad things if he can carry a clipboard for 2-3 years.

Kafka, Skelton, Crompton, and Smith...honestly I don't know these QBs enough to really make a judgement but I'm guessing a lot of you don't know much about them either. At best they are probably a project or back up to whoever took them. Philly, AZ, SD, and TN took these guys, several of them have well established QBs.

Dan LeFevour (6th round) Chicago: Has to be play behind Cutler, no thanks. I was excited about him in the NFL, not so much now although ,maybe in 3 years after he sits and watches, who knows?

Tony Pike (6th round) Carolina: Again, not a lot in front of him. If he is better than Clausen or passes him, again here's a guy that doesn't have a lot preventing him to become a starter by 2012 if he develops. I really like this kid but many don't. I like his size and also feel he threw it a lot in college, many QBs do and don't make it in the NFL, but then I watch this kid I like what I see.

RB

CJ Spiller (1.09) Buffalo: I temper the enthusiasm but you know Gailey is going to run the ball alot. SPiller will get 240+ carries as a rookie, maybe 275-300 touches, perhaps too optimistic but there will be a lot of hand offs to go around. Buffalo had a better draft than some are saying. They added some much needed OL help too.

Ryan Mathews (1.12) San Diego: Was a fan, then not a fan, then back on again, now I'm thinking he is way overrated. I like him some but this is not a slam dunk pick like other backs over the years.

Jahvid Best (1.30) Detroit: He's gonna get a lot of touches as a rookie. Kevin SMith is nursing some pretty bad injuries. best is not big but he's quick. Put him on that track up in Detroit and I think you might be looking at a ROTY candidate here. I like him plenty.

Toby Gerhart (2.19) Minnesota: I think the guy in front of him is pretty good. Seriously, he's a part time player on this team. Won't sniff 200 carries, maybe even 150 is optimistic for him. I like his talent but behind Adrian Peterson you just can't get too excited.

Ben Tate (2.26) Houston: Certainly he will be used, but I'm not real big on his talent. He will compliment Steve Slaton but he is not a 3 down back for sure. Lot of 15/65 in the box score IMO.

Montario Hardesty (2.27) Cleveland: Decent OL in front of him. Will part of rotation with Harrison but we saw some flashes of what Harrison can do so I don't think Hardesty is a 300 touch candidate anytime soon.

Joe McKnight (4th round) NY Jets: Will be used similar to Leon Washington. He was OK at USC, nothing overly special but he has some skills. He's 3rd in that stable for now.

Jonathan Dwyer (6th round) Pittsburgh: The Steelers don't have a lot behind Meny, Dwyer will see touches but he fell mighty far.

TE

Jermaine Gresham (1.21) Cincinnati: They never throw to the TE so I don't care if they drafted Keith Jackson in his prime, this team doesn't throw to the TE. They can talk about it but not since the days of Dan Ross has this team really wanted to throw to the TE. I don't buy it.

Rob Gronkowski (2.10) New England): He is gonna get a chance to start. I like the other guy New England drafted almost as much so I think he has real competition here with Hernandez.

Ed Dickson (3rd round) Baltimore: Someone is going to eclipse Heap at some point.

Tony Moeaki (3rd round) Kansas City: Todd Haley is not known for exploiting the TE but Charlie Weiss is calling the offense. This could be a guy that sees the field quickly. Might not be a great TE but he is going to get some chances in KC. Imagine if he was drafted by Dallas, doubtful we would talk much about him.

Jimmy Graham (3rd round) New Orleans: Like the situatiuon here, team throws a lot, he is not a blocker so they will run him out in routes up the seam. He's deadly in the open field.

Aaron Hernandez (4th round) New England: I think he can flourish there. Guy has some great receiving skills. And now will go from Tebow to Brady, that can't be a bad thing.

WR

Demaryius Thomas (1.22) Denver: I want nothing to do with him. I don't see the skills that others do. Maybe I'm wrong, probably I'm wrong but I don't want to be close to this situation.

Dez Bryant (1.24) Dallas: By far my favortie sselection for dynasty prospects. Not even close.

Dexter McCluster (2.04) Kansas City:Here's a team trying to emulate Percy Harvin from a year ago. He is being listed at WR. Jamaal Charles is pretty good and fills the speed role at RB...if you think McCluster is going tob e the leading rusher in KC anytime soon you are mistaken IMO.

Arrelious Benn (2.07) Tampa Bay: His hands worry me but there really is nothing standing between him adn the starting position. In Dynasty, after Bryant and a MAJOR drop off, I might look at Benn.

Golden Tate (2.28) Seattle: Yes he's small but Seattle is going to use him. Carroll spoke highly of him(of course he did) but there seemed to be a plan in place for him. He mentioned that he will replace Deion Branch, sounds like he might be starting sooner rather than later. I like the situatrion.

Damian Williams (3rd round) Tennessee: Titans don't throw it enough and they already have Kenny Britt and a 2nd year TE that want to feed the ball to. I like Williams and his talent but I don't see how he can ever top 50/650-700 in Tennessee and that's a ceiling. Pass

The rest is prettt miss and miss but I'll look forward to reading what others think about later round WRs. I see guys going to place where the WRs are already well eastablished.

Shipley and Carlton Mitchell will be fun to watch adn see what they add to Cleveland. I also like Mardy Gilyard in St Louis. Maybe he and Bradford can develop together.

What say you?

 

[Homer]

Bryant looks good? You'll be happier than usual early on if you get Best at 4th overall?

LAST YEAR is looking like the down year, in hindsight?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Bryant looks good? You'll be happier than usual early on if you get Best at 4th overall?LAST YEAR is looking like the down year, in hindsight?

You don't think that Dez Bryant and his talent mixed with a high octane offense and a solid QB in Tony Romo...you don't see him being a success? Maybe he won't beat out Miles Austin but there nothing preventing him from becoming a starter opposite. He'll fly past Crayton and and Roy Williams on the depth charts. You don't like Bryant?I like Best and at #4 he looks good to me.

 

[Garts]

Spiller at 240 carries is high.

I expect 250 touches....maybe 200 or so carries.....50-60 recs.

 

[Garts]

Bryant looks good? You'll be happier than usual early on if you get Best at 4th overall?LAST YEAR is looking like the down year, in hindsight?

You don't think that Dez Bryant and his talent mixed with a high octane offense and a solid QB in Tony Romo...you don't see him being a success? Maybe he won't beat out Miles Austin but there nothing preventing him from becoming a starter opposite. He'll fly past Crayton and and Roy Williams on the depth charts. You don't like Bryant?I like Best and at #4 he looks good to me.

I have the 3rd overall and I like Best more then Spiller...non-ppr.

 

[Invictus~Bronte]

Best could easily end up ROY. Matthews almost has to put up decent numbers in his situation.

Bryant is tops, hands down. Love where Golden landed, and Benn could do well. McCluster will see 6-7 touches a game.

Hate the fact the Pats took 2 top TE's. D Williams should've gone to the Pats

 

[Trey]

I see tremendous value in the Top 4 picks.

I'm in the 5 spot in one league and would love to move back. After Dez, Matthews, Spiller, Best I feel like there is a big time drop.

Then you are dealing with Thomas, Tate, etc. blaah

 

[Garts]

Best could easily end up ROY. Matthews almost has to put up decent numbers in his situation. Bryant is tops, hands down. Love where Golden landed, and Benn could do well. McCluster will see 6-7 touches a game.Hate the fact the Pats took 2 top TE's. D Williams should've gone to the Pats

I thought the Pats would look hard at Dez.

 

[Homer]

Bryant looks good? You'll be happier than usual early on if you get Best at 4th overall?LAST YEAR is looking like the down year, in hindsight?

You don't think that Dez Bryant and his talent mixed with a high octane offense and a solid QB in Tony Romo...you don't see him being a success? Maybe he won't beat out Miles Austin but there nothing preventing him from becoming a starter opposite. He'll fly past Crayton and and Roy Williams on the depth charts. You don't like Bryant?I like Best and at #4 he looks good to me.

I was agreeing with you about Bryant. He's about as good a bet as it gets for a rookie WR, IMO. If THAT'S the result of a "weak" draft, I'd argue it may not be all that bad?

 

[footballsavvy]

They always look bleak at this point. It's easy to envision every prospect in an ideal situation pre-draft. After the draft, reality sets in and you realize they are just rookies and have to climb their way up the depth chart. I don't think this year is drastically different than any other year.

Who were the sure shot studs last year? Moreno, Wells and Crabtree? Not hard to envision Dez, Matthews, Thomas, Benn, Golden, Best, Spiller, Ben Tate, Hardesty doing better than the bunch from last year. Add in sleepers like Starks or McCluster or Price or Williams and who knows.

 

[doowain]

Shipley went to Cincinnati.

 

[Honda]

I guess I'm a bigger fan of Golden Tate than most.

 

[Kleck]

I like Hardesty a little more than most, and in non-PPR leagues would feel very comfortable taking him at #5.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Bryant looks good? You'll be happier than usual early on if you get Best at 4th overall?LAST YEAR is looking like the down year, in hindsight?

You don't think that Dez Bryant and his talent mixed with a high octane offense and a solid QB in Tony Romo...you don't see him being a success? Maybe he won't beat out Miles Austin but there nothing preventing him from becoming a starter opposite. He'll fly past Crayton and and Roy Williams on the depth charts. You don't like Bryant?I like Best and at #4 he looks good to me.

I was agreeing with you about Bryant. He's about as good a bet as it gets for a rookie WR, IMO. If THAT'S the result of a "weak" draft, I'd argue it may not be all that bad?

Thanks for posting back and clearing that up.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

They always look bleak at this point. It's easy to envision every prospect in an ideal situation pre-draft. After the draft, reality sets in and you realize they are just rookies and have to climb their way up the depth chart. I don't think this year is drastically different than any other year.Who were the sure shot studs last year? Moreno, Wells and Crabtree? Not hard to envision Dez, Matthews, Thomas, Benn, Golden, Best, Spiller, Ben Tate, Hardesty doing better than the bunch from last year. Add in sleepers like Starks or McCluster or Price or Williams and who knows.

Last year there was a line of WRs that you knew were going to be good. Nicks, Maclin, Crabtree, they all landed in good spots, were taken pretty being in the 1st round, and I think most of the 1st round in dytansty last year was much more loaded with prospects. Add in the QBs and TEs form last year and you probably got a decent pick almost anywhere in the 1st round of rookie drafts. I do like Golden Tate though.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I like Hardesty a little more than most, and in non-PPR leagues would feel very comfortable taking him at #5.

I'd rethink that

 

[JohnnyU]

Nice effort, but your comments Cincy never throws to the TE is both wrong and right. I believe someone said they threw it about 50 or 60 timies last year to a couple of TEs, but they didn't have Gresham like they do now. I look for Cincy to involve Gresham quite a bit in their attack. He's certainly better than any WR #3 they have and possibly better than Bryant also.

 

[BoulderBob]

Best, Mathews, and Spiller will, of course, be the top 3 RB's drafted, as they should be given their talent/situation.

--I don't see Best or Spiller having long careers, but in a dynasty I will take the 2-3 good seasons I expect from them and move on.

--Matthews has the build to last, but circumstances will dictate his numbers(ala Matt Forte, imo) moreso than raw talent(which I think is a level or two below Spiller and Best).

--At WR, Bryant is the obvious #1, great QB, great situation, everything you need. I am considering him at 1.1, as we all should. Matthews maybe the safer pick given the situation he finds himself in screams fantasy #1/2 RB, but Bryant has twice the upside. Miles Austin is a fine WR for Dallas, but Bryant can and will be better if he works as hard as I think he will to prove to the "world", as he stated, that they made a mistake ala Randy Moss. In fact, I'm thinking no more, he is the #1 rookie pick, followed by Matthews, then Spiller and Best on my "board".

--A. Benn will also perform like the 1st rounder he would have been if he had went to Florida or Texas. Juice Williams killed his stock, and it was more than obvious while watching Illinois that Juice's ducks/lack of accuracy bothered the hell out of Benn. I don't think this will carry over the pro's, as most WR's would hate, and I stress HATE, playing with a QB like Juice Williams. And while he doesn't have a legit QB in Tampa either(he must be a bit worried, lol..not again!) a professional QB should be able to get him the ball quite often. After the trio of RB's, I'd jump all over this future Boldin-esque #1 WR with a mid 1st to late 1st round pick.

--D. Thomas has Orton/Tebow/Quinn as his QB's...terrible situation, at least for a year or two. Neither one will be able to give him the opportunity to put up #1 WR stats, I'm 99.9% sure of this...too bad. Still a heck of a talent, however, and he will earn every one of those 600-1000 yards he will put up over the next 3-4 years.

--Sam Bradford is the only QB I'd take in round 1, although we can't expect much out of him till year 3 or 4.

--I'd roll the dice on Dan LeFavour in the late 2nd. Martz's QB's all seem to get a shot, regardless of position on the depth chart due to the beating they take and I simply LOVE LeFavour's potential. Was a joy to watch in college(think Tim Tebow, pretty much the same player with better mechanics AND arm, imo) and I think Martz will teach him every last thing he can, given Martz probably views this as his last chance. If he has the brains to learn the system, and Cutler doesn't jive with Martz, DL could take over the QB duties as soon as the 2013 season(as Martz takes over as head coach..lol..)

--Never been a fan of Jimmy Clausen, never will be. Like their 6th round pick(T. Pike) and think he has more potential as a pro QB.

--Tebow will get his shot down the road, have no problem taking him in the 2nd. Can he beat out the other "winner" Kyle Orton? Not this year...and he really should take two years to sit on the bench/practice/learn. Like others have said, something about the guy gives one hope that he will be a fine QB. You can't bet against him, at least with a second round pick. QB talent alone? He should have went on day 3, but again, something about the guy is worth a gamble.

-- The Tate brothers(Golden and Ben) may be worth a late first round pick given their excellent situations, time will tell if they have the talent to back up the hype. I hope both slip to the second round.

-- Something made draftnicks/scouts drool all over Jon Dwyer a year ago, maybe he did fail a drug test? If that is the reason he slipped, especially if the drug wasn't heroin or meth, I'm taking a flyer on him with a late 1st round/or 2nd round pick.

--Gresham has been the #1 NFL TE prospect for what? 3 years now? Will Carson Palmer use him? I think so, you don't ignore a guy if he can get open. Late 1st/2nd.

--Toby Gerhart, what a freaking man-beast of a RB. For those of us who saw him break 50 tackles versus Notre Dame, we can't help but think this guy is the great white hope at RB. If any white RB is going to break the "myth", it's this guy. And we all know Adrian Peterson is simply due for an injury, and if it happens this year, I fully expect Gerhart to come in an produce 4.0 yards per carry, and a dozen goal-line TD's.

-- Ed Dickson always impressed me when I stayed up late to catch the Pac10 game of the week. Look for him to become Flacco's safety blanket very soon. When Baltimore cuts Heap in the off-season, scoop him up asap.

Those are pretty much the only players I want anything to do with/would trade for at this point in time. It's not the strongest group, but there are a handful of players who will make an impact for our fantasy football teams in 2010 and down the road.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Nice effort, but your comments Cincy never throws to the TE is both wrong and right. I believe someone said they threw it about 50 or 60 timies last year to a couple of TEs, but they didn't have Gresham like they do now. I look for Cincy to involve Gresham quite a bit in their attack. He's certainly better than any WR #3 they have and possibly better than Bryant also.

Hi Johnny,My math skills are well documented here so I have to watch myself but isn't 50-60 times about 3-4 a game? Not exactly inspiring targets to look forward to. I broke down what the OC said after they drafted Grsham...didn't sound like he got the memo of who they were drafting. His remarks were not inspiing to me. MOP

 

[JohnnyU]

Nice effort, but your comments Cincy never throws to the TE is both wrong and right. I believe someone said they threw it about 50 or 60 timies last year to a couple of TEs, but they didn't have Gresham like they do now. I look for Cincy to involve Gresham quite a bit in their attack. He's certainly better than any WR #3 they have and possibly better than Bryant also.

Hi Johnny,My math skills are well documented here so I have to watch myself but isn't 50-60 times about 3-4 a game? Not exactly inspiring targets to look forward to. I broke down what the OC said after they drafted Grsham...didn't sound like he got the memo of who they were drafting. His remarks were not inspiing to me. MOP

Well, imo Gresham is a stud as long as he stays healthy. Cincy will use him a lot. I would like to think that you give your best skill players the best chance to help you win, period.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Nice effort, but your comments Cincy never throws to the TE is both wrong and right. I believe someone said they threw it about 50 or 60 timies last year to a couple of TEs, but they didn't have Gresham like they do now. I look for Cincy to involve Gresham quite a bit in their attack. He's certainly better than any WR #3 they have and possibly better than Bryant also.

Hi Johnny,My math skills are well documented here so I have to watch myself but isn't 50-60 times about 3-4 a game? Not exactly inspiring targets to look forward to. I broke down what the OC said after they drafted Grsham...didn't sound like he got the memo of who they were drafting. His remarks were not inspiing to me.

MOP

What did he say?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Best, Mathews, and Spiller will, of course, be the top 3 RB's drafted, as they should be given their talent/situation. --I don't see Best or Spiller having long careers, but in a dynasty I will take the 2-3 good seasons I expect from them and move on. --Matthews has the build to last, but circumstances will dictate his numbers(ala Matt Forte, imo) moreso than raw talent(which I think is a level or two below Spiller and Best). --At WR, Bryant is the obvious #1, great QB, great situation, everything you need. I am considering him at 1.1, as we all should. Matthews maybe the safer pick given the situation he finds himself in screams fantasy #1/2 RB, but Bryant has twice the upside. Miles Austin is a fine WR for Dallas, but Bryant can and will be better if he works as hard as I think he will to prove to the "world", as he stated, that they made a mistake ala Randy Moss. In fact, I'm thinking no more, he is the #1 rookie pick, followed by Matthews, then Spiller and Best on my "board". --A. Benn will also perform like the 1st rounder he would have been if he had went to Florida or Texas. Juice Williams killed his stock, and it was more than obvious while watching Illinois that Juice's ducks/lack of accuracy bothered the hell out of Benn. I don't think this will carry over the pro's, as most WR's would hate, and I stress HATE, playing with a QB like Juice Williams. And while he doesn't have a legit QB in Tampa either(he must be a bit worried, lol..not again!) a professional QB should be able to get him the ball quite often. After the trio of RB's, I'd jump all over this future Boldin-esque #1 WR with a mid 1st to late 1st round pick.--D. Thomas has Orton/Tebow/Quinn as his QB's...terrible situation, at least for a year or two. Neither one will be able to give him the opportunity to put up #1 WR stats, I'm 99.9% sure of this...too bad. Still a heck of a talent, however, and he will earn every one of those 600-1000 yards he will put up over the next 3-4 years.--Sam Bradford is the only QB I'd take in round 1, although we can't expect much out of him till year 3 or 4. --I'd roll the dice on Dan LeFavour in the late 2nd. Martz's QB's all seem to get a shot, regardless of position on the depth chart due to the beating they take and I simply LOVE LeFavour's potential. Was a joy to watch in college(think Tim Tebow, pretty much the same player with better mechanics AND arm, imo) and I think Martz will teach him every last thing he can, given Martz probably views this as his last chance. If he has the brains to learn the system, and Cutler doesn't jive with Martz, DL could take over the QB duties as soon as the 2013 season(as Martz takes over as head coach..lol..)--Never been a fan of Jimmy Clausen, never will be. Like their 6th round pick(T. Pike) and think he has more potential as a pro QB.--Tebow will get his shot down the road, have no problem taking him in the 2nd. Can he beat out the other "winner" Kyle Orton? Not this year...and he really should take two years to sit on the bench/practice/learn. Like others have said, something about the guy gives one hope that he will be a fine QB. You can't bet against him, at least with a second round pick. QB talent alone? He should have went on day 3, but again, something about the guy is worth a gamble.-- The Tate brothers(Golden and Ben) may be worth a late first round pick given their excellent situations, time will tell if they have the talent to back up the hype. I hope both slip to the second round.-- Something made draftnicks/scouts drool all over Jon Dwyer a year ago, maybe he did fail a drug test? If that is the reason he slipped, especially if the drug wasn't heroin or meth, I'm taking a flyer on him with a late 1st round/or 2nd round pick.--Gresham has been the #1 NFL TE prospect for what? 3 years now? Will Carson Palmer use him? I think so, you don't ignore a guy if he can get open. Late 1st/2nd.--Toby Gerhart, what a freaking man-beast of a RB. For those of us who saw him break 50 tackles versus Notre Dame, we can't help but think this guy is the great white hope at RB. If any white RB is going to break the "myth", it's this guy. And we all know Adrian Peterson is simply due for an injury, and if it happens this year, I fully expect Gerhart to come in an produce 4.0 yards per carry, and a dozen goal-line TD's.-- Ed Dickson always impressed me when I stayed up late to catch the Pac10 game of the week. Look for him to become Flacco's safety blanket very soon. When Baltimore cuts Heap in the off-season, scoop him up asap.Those are pretty much the only players I want anything to do with/would trade for at this point in time. It's not the strongest group, but there are a handful of players who will make an impact for our fantasy football teams in 2010 and down the road.

Excellent post BB!!!

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

I like Hardesty a little more than most, and in non-PPR leagues would feel very comfortable taking him at #5.

I'd rethink that

I can't see them totally shelving Harrison after what he showed last year. I do think that there are going to be more touches to go around for RBs in Cleveland than most places so Hardesty could have more value than I am thinking. It might be worth a gamble because the upside is definitely there but I can't see myself taking him that early with his injury concerns and time share.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Nice effort, but your comments Cincy never throws to the TE is both wrong and right. I believe someone said they threw it about 50 or 60 timies last year to a couple of TEs, but they didn't have Gresham like they do now. I look for Cincy to involve Gresham quite a bit in their attack. He's certainly better than any WR #3 they have and possibly better than Bryant also.

Hi Johnny,My math skills are well documented here so I have to watch myself but isn't 50-60 times about 3-4 a game? Not exactly inspiring targets to look forward to. I broke down what the OC said after they drafted Grsham...didn't sound like he got the memo of who they were drafting. His remarks were not inspiing to me.

MOP

What did he say?

Bratkowski: "We've always had those things in there. We probably just went to and featured T.J. (Houshmandzadeh) when we had him and Chad (Ochocinco) and others. Those guys were getting the majority of the balls. Now, we're in a situation where we can add this guy and feel really good about putting things in for him and bring him along and continue to grow his role through it. So, tight end is going to be a factor for us. He gives us another weapon. He gives us another option when they're doubling our guys outside. He gives us something we were missing last year. When the other guys were getting doubled, we struggled a little bit. I think this is going to help us."

My sick twisted mind reads it like this...

"We've always had those things in there"...code for we ain't changin nothing.

"We probably just went to TJ and Chad"...because we don't throw to the TE much!!!

"We can feel really good about putting things in for him, bring him along, and continue to grow his role"...We basically have nothing for him at the moment but I'll work on it.

The present OC doesn't sound good to me. Again, I have a twisted way of reading into things but I am very uncomfortable with him on the Bengals. I know many owners are going to say that he has no one in front of him. We could say that about a lot of guys including some high profile QBs, doesn't mean they will succeed. I'd be stunned if he caught over 50 balls within the 1st 3 or 4 years he is in the NFL, maybe ever if he stays in Cinci.

They got a guy form Indy a year or two ago, that didn't work, they drafted Coffman, they had Kelly, they don't ever use the TE, not since the early days of Dan Ross, now there's a name you didn't expect to hear.

That was from another thread I posted up on Thursday Night/Friday Morning

 

[massraider]

They always look bleak at this point. It's easy to envision every prospect in an ideal situation pre-draft. After the draft, reality sets in and you realize they are just rookies and have to climb their way up the depth chart. I don't think this year is drastically different than any other year.

I completely disagree with this.In previous years, the studs are the studs, and then people get excited about guys that go to great situations.This year, you had a lot of players that are well-liked, and went to bad situations. Pretty much every decent TE went to a crowded situation, or was joined by another rookie TE, except Gresham. And he went to a team that has no history of throwing to TEs. At RB, Gerhart, Dixon, McKnight, Karim, McKnight, all went to crowded situations, and Dwyer was taken so late, you have to reassess his NFL chances. Guys like Gerhart and Dixon, if they had gone to Green Bay, or Buffalo, would have been top 6 picks. Now? 2nd round.This WR class wasn't sexy before the draft; there is a top guy, a second tier that isn't very impressive, fantasy-wise, and a massive group of third tier. There's one QB, a second intriguing 1st rounder that a lot of people think has no chance, and that's about it. I like Clausen, but won't be surprised of Moore beats him out. Someone will draft McCoy higher than he should go, but a 3rd round pick doesn't make you QBOTF. And the higher-ups in CLE have alrtready said he's gonna sit this year. I didn't think the draft bumped up too many players stock, and think a lot of interesting players went to bad situations. We knew this wasn't an offensive draft, but the way it played out kinda made it worse.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

They always look bleak at this point. It's easy to envision every prospect in an ideal situation pre-draft. After the draft, reality sets in and you realize they are just rookies and have to climb their way up the depth chart. I don't think this year is drastically different than any other year.

I completely disagree with this.In previous years, the studs are the studs, and then people get excited about guys that go to great situations.

This year, you had a lot of players that are well-liked, and went to bad situations. Pretty much every decent TE went to a crowded situation, or was joined by another rookie TE, except Gresham. And he went to a team that has no history of throwing to TEs.

At RB, Gerhart, Dixon, McKnight, Karim, McKnight, all went to crowded situations, and Dwyer was taken so late, you have to reassess his NFL chances. Guys like Gerhart and Dixon, if they had gone to Green Bay, or Buffalo, would have been top 6 picks. Now? 2nd round.

This WR class wasn't sexy before the draft; there is a top guy, a second tier that isn't very impressive, fantasy-wise, and a massive group of third tier.

There's one QB, a second intriguing 1st rounder that a lot of people think has no chance, and that's about it. I like Clausen, but won't be surprised of Moore beats him out. Someone will draft McCoy higher than he should go, but a 3rd round pick doesn't make you QBOTF. And the higher-ups in CLE have alrtready said he's gonna sit this year.

I didn't think the draft bumped up too many players stock, and think a lot of interesting players went to bad situations. We knew this wasn't an offensive draft, but the way it played out kinda made it worse.

Especially McKnight, he went twice!!!Just kidding MassRider. I don't agree with your post all the way but I see your POV and think it has a lot of merit. You're right, when talent meets not ideal situation, player can still explode. Guy with average talent ends up in great situation, doesn't always work out.

But public perception being what it is, in dynasty it's best ot have guys that are perceived to be worth more. Trade value anyways.

 

[JohnnyU]

Nice effort, but your comments Cincy never throws to the TE is both wrong and right. I believe someone said they threw it about 50 or 60 timies last year to a couple of TEs, but they didn't have Gresham like they do now. I look for Cincy to involve Gresham quite a bit in their attack. He's certainly better than any WR #3 they have and possibly better than Bryant also.

Hi Johnny,My math skills are well documented here so I have to watch myself but isn't 50-60 times about 3-4 a game? Not exactly inspiring targets to look forward to. I broke down what the OC said after they drafted Grsham...didn't sound like he got the memo of who they were drafting. His remarks were not inspiing to me.

MOP

What did he say?

Bratkowski: "We've always had those things in there. We probably just went to and featured T.J. (Houshmandzadeh) when we had him and Chad (Ochocinco) and others. Those guys were getting the majority of the balls. Now, we're in a situation where we can add this guy and feel really good about putting things in for him and bring him along and continue to grow his role through it. So, tight end is going to be a factor for us. He gives us another weapon. He gives us another option when they're doubling our guys outside. He gives us something we were missing last year. When the other guys were getting doubled, we struggled a little bit. I think this is going to help us."

My sick twisted mind reads it like this...

"We've always had those things in there"...code for we ain't changin nothing.

"We probably just went to TJ and Chad"...because we don't throw to the TE much!!!

"We can feel really good about putting things in for him, bring him along, and continue to grow his role"...We basically have nothing for him at the moment but I'll work on it.

The present OC doesn't sound good to me. Again, I have a twisted way of reading into things but I am very uncomfortable with him on the Bengals. I know many owners are going to say that he has no one in front of him. We could say that about a lot of guys including some high profile QBs, doesn't mean they will succeed. I'd be stunned if he caught over 50 balls within the 1st 3 or 4 years he is in the NFL, maybe ever if he stays in Cinci.

They got a guy form Indy a year or two ago, that didn't work, they drafted Coffman, they had Kelly, they don't ever use the TE, not since the early days of Dan Ross, now there's a name you didn't expect to hear.

That was from another thread I posted up on Thursday Night/Friday Morning

What I took away from that is that we've never had a player like Gresham before, thus the reason we didn't throw to our TE much, but that's about to change.

 

[massraider]

Especially McKnight, he went twice!!!

Heh, misspelled 'already' as well. I must've been more fired up that I thought.There's actually some players I like that are in that mid-second area, and if I can turn my 1.9 into a few 2nds and some thing else, I will do it.Every year, there's talent, and value, there are going to be some players that help, but a lot of players that I think may have snuck into the late 1st because of opportunity, WRs and RBs that people were interested in seeing where they went, landed in bad spots.

 

[Kleck]

There's actually some players I like that are in that mid-second area, and if I can turn my 1.9 into a few 2nds and some thing else, I will do it.

I could easily see myself trading down this year. Before the draft I wasn't real high on late 1st/early 2nd round rookie picks as I didn't see much of a dropoff from them to the mid/late 2nd round picks. Before the draft I ended up trading a few of those picks away for vets and am glad I did now. I'm still intrigued with a few guys in that range though, but I'm thinking I'll be able to get them in the mid to late 2nd. I'll probably try and trade down and get another mid/late 2nd or two, get a jump start on next year's picks or try moving up from my mid/late 3rds.

 

[doctor_d]

Best, Mathews, and Spiller will, of course, be the top 3 RB's drafted, as they should be given their talent/situation. --I don't see Best or Spiller having long careers, but in a dynasty I will take the 2-3 good seasons I expect from them and move on. --Matthews has the build to last, but circumstances will dictate his numbers(ala Matt Forte, imo) moreso than raw talent(which I think is a level or two below Spiller and Best). --At WR, Bryant is the obvious #1, great QB, great situation, everything you need. I am considering him at 1.1, as we all should. Matthews maybe the safer pick given the situation he finds himself in screams fantasy #1/2 RB, but Bryant has twice the upside. Miles Austin is a fine WR for Dallas, but Bryant can and will be better if he works as hard as I think he will to prove to the "world", as he stated, that they made a mistake ala Randy Moss. In fact, I'm thinking no more, he is the #1 rookie pick, followed by Matthews, then Spiller and Best on my "board". --A. Benn will also perform like the 1st rounder he would have been if he had went to Florida or Texas. Juice Williams killed his stock, and it was more than obvious while watching Illinois that Juice's ducks/lack of accuracy bothered the hell out of Benn. I don't think this will carry over the pro's, as most WR's would hate, and I stress HATE, playing with a QB like Juice Williams. And while he doesn't have a legit QB in Tampa either(he must be a bit worried, lol..not again!) a professional QB should be able to get him the ball quite often. After the trio of RB's, I'd jump all over this future Boldin-esque #1 WR with a mid 1st to late 1st round pick.--D. Thomas has Orton/Tebow/Quinn as his QB's...terrible situation, at least for a year or two. Neither one will be able to give him the opportunity to put up #1 WR stats, I'm 99.9% sure of this...too bad. Still a heck of a talent, however, and he will earn every one of those 600-1000 yards he will put up over the next 3-4 years.--Sam Bradford is the only QB I'd take in round 1, although we can't expect much out of him till year 3 or 4. --I'd roll the dice on Dan LeFavour in the late 2nd. Martz's QB's all seem to get a shot, regardless of position on the depth chart due to the beating they take and I simply LOVE LeFavour's potential. Was a joy to watch in college(think Tim Tebow, pretty much the same player with better mechanics AND arm, imo) and I think Martz will teach him every last thing he can, given Martz probably views this as his last chance. If he has the brains to learn the system, and Cutler doesn't jive with Martz, DL could take over the QB duties as soon as the 2013 season(as Martz takes over as head coach..lol..)--Never been a fan of Jimmy Clausen, never will be. Like their 6th round pick(T. Pike) and think he has more potential as a pro QB.--Tebow will get his shot down the road, have no problem taking him in the 2nd. Can he beat out the other "winner" Kyle Orton? Not this year...and he really should take two years to sit on the bench/practice/learn. Like others have said, something about the guy gives one hope that he will be a fine QB. You can't bet against him, at least with a second round pick. QB talent alone? He should have went on day 3, but again, something about the guy is worth a gamble.-- The Tate brothers(Golden and Ben) may be worth a late first round pick given their excellent situations, time will tell if they have the talent to back up the hype. I hope both slip to the second round.-- Something made draftnicks/scouts drool all over Jon Dwyer a year ago, maybe he did fail a drug test? If that is the reason he slipped, especially if the drug wasn't heroin or meth, I'm taking a flyer on him with a late 1st round/or 2nd round pick.--Gresham has been the #1 NFL TE prospect for what? 3 years now? Will Carson Palmer use him? I think so, you don't ignore a guy if he can get open. Late 1st/2nd.--Toby Gerhart, what a freaking man-beast of a RB. For those of us who saw him break 50 tackles versus Notre Dame, we can't help but think this guy is the great white hope at RB. If any white RB is going to break the "myth", it's this guy. And we all know Adrian Peterson is simply due for an injury, and if it happens this year, I fully expect Gerhart to come in an produce 4.0 yards per carry, and a dozen goal-line TD's.-- Ed Dickson always impressed me when I stayed up late to catch the Pac10 game of the week. Look for him to become Flacco's safety blanket very soon. When Baltimore cuts Heap in the off-season, scoop him up asap.Those are pretty much the only players I want anything to do with/would trade for at this point in time. It's not the strongest group, but there are a handful of players who will make an impact for our fantasy football teams in 2010 and down the road.

Thanks for your input, very interesting. No Mention of Dexter McCluster - I kinda like him and I think he could be an interesting pick. Your opinon ?

 

[massraider]

There's actually some players I like that are in that mid-second area, and if I can turn my 1.9 into a few 2nds and some thing else, I will do it.

I could easily see myself trading down this year. Before the draft I wasn't real high on late 1st/early 2nd round rookie picks as I didn't see much of a dropoff from them to the mid/late 2nd round picks. Before the draft I ended up trading a few of those picks away for vets and am glad I did now. I'm still intrigued with a few guys in that range though, but I'm thinking I'll be able to get them in the mid to late 2nd. I'll probably try and trade down and get another mid/late 2nd or two, get a jump start on next year's picks or try moving up from my mid/late 3rds.

Pretty much exactly my game plan. I haven't really come up with a number, but I think there's a good chance I will like guys at 2.10 as much as 1.12.

 

[massraider]

-- The Tate brothers(Golden and Ben) may be worth a late first round pick given their excellent situations, time will tell if they have the talent to back up the hype. I hope both slip to the second round.

Ben's perceived opportunity, and the complete abortion of a season Slaton had last year, means his ADP will be somewhere around 1.6.I really think fantasy owners that were burned by Slaton last year will drive up Ben's value. There is emotion in play: "Houston drafted a RB?? Well, he's the starter, because Slaton screwed my team last year. He sucks!!"

 

[Captain Hook]

MOP - re: Thread Title - Yes, you are wrong

 

[Ministry of Pain]

MOP - re: Thread Title - Yes, you are wrong

Thanks Capt'n, knew I could count on you.

 

[doowain]

Nice effort, but your comments Cincy never throws to the TE is both wrong and right. I believe someone said they threw it about 50 or 60 timies last year to a couple of TEs, but they didn't have Gresham like they do now. I look for Cincy to involve Gresham quite a bit in their attack. He's certainly better than any WR #3 they have and possibly better than Bryant also.

Hi Johnny,My math skills are well documented here so I have to watch myself but isn't 50-60 times about 3-4 a game? Not exactly inspiring targets to look forward to. I broke down what the OC said after they drafted Grsham...didn't sound like he got the memo of who they were drafting. His remarks were not inspiing to me. MOP

Well, imo Gresham is a stud as long as he stays healthy. Cincy will use him a lot. I would like to think that you give your best skill players the best chance to help you win, period.

For once I'm with JU. We may have never used the TE in our offense, but we've also NEVER had a TE with the talent level of Gresham. What we were really lacking last year was a CONSISTENT move the chains guy. Gresham has the best hands in the draft IMO for a TE. He catches everything thrown to him and he rarely lets it get to his body. He's a candidate for 55-60 catches his rookie year IMO. Not only can he play underneath, but he has enough speed to rip the seams. I think Cincy hit a homerun with this selection. He should start from Day 1.

 

[D'OHtis]

I only like this draft about 8 deep. [Don't count me onboard with the Tates or Hardesty]

8 deep:

Spiller

Matthews

Best

Bryant

Bradford

Benn

Thomas

Gresham

I think that Tim Tebow is the future in Denver that you could push an already raw Thomas out of that 8. Best thinig that could happen to Thomas IMO is if Brady Quinn becomes that future (gulp)

Any league I own a pick 9 or later, I'm offering it for a 2nd this year and a 2011 1st. Already got one such deal. Gave 1.09 for 2.04 and 2011 1st.

 

[RustyFA2]

I must be way higher on Bay Bay Thomas than everyone else. I think he is going to be the #1 WR in Denver from day one. Bad situation? Marshall caught 100 balls. I don't think it is crazy to think he can catch 70-110-7 in year one. He has great size and is supposed to be very fast. McDaniels asks his WRs to go to an area. Route running is not as important as adjusting on the fly.

Here is a name for anyone needing a back up TE that likely can be gotten as a FA.

Tony Moeaki-TE-Iowa He is going to start right away in KC. He is a willing and truly exceptional blocking TE that has decent hands. I see him getting Marcedes Lewis numbers or slightly over. Not great but ok for a back up FF TE.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

Bratkowski: "We've always had those things in there. We probably just went to and featured T.J. (Houshmandzadeh) when we had him and Chad (Ochocinco) and others. Those guys were getting the majority of the balls. Now, we're in a situation where we can add this guy and feel really good about putting things in for him and bring him along and continue to grow his role through it. So, tight end is going to be a factor for us. He gives us another weapon. He gives us another option when they're doubling our guys outside. He gives us something we were missing last year. When the other guys were getting doubled, we struggled a little bit. I think this is going to help us."

My sick twisted mind reads it like this...

"We've always had those things in there"...code for we ain't changin nothing.

"We probably just went to TJ and Chad"...because we don't throw to the TE much!!!

"We can feel really good about putting things in for him, bring him along, and continue to grow his role"...We basically have nothing for him at the moment but I'll work on it.

I don't see how you draw those conclusions from his statement. I read that as "our TEs have always stunk and nowhere near the caliber of our other receivers so why use them?"

The present OC doesn't sound good to me. Again, I have a twisted way of reading into things but I am very uncomfortable with him on the Bengals. I know many owners are going to say that he has no one in front of him. We could say that about a lot of guys including some high profile QBs, doesn't mean they will succeed. I'd be stunned if he caught over 50 balls within the 1st 3 or 4 years he is in the NFL, maybe ever if he stays in Cinci.

They got a guy form Indy a year or two ago, that didn't work, they drafted Coffman, they had Kelly, they don't ever use the TE, not since the early days of Dan Ross, now there's a name you didn't expect to hear.

That was from another thread I posted up on Thursday Night/Friday Morning

The guy from Indy (Utecht) got hurt. Coffman got hurt. Kelly got hurt. It's tough to use use a TE that's hurt.

 

[footballsavvy]

Best, Mathews, and Spiller will, of course, be the top 3 RB's drafted, as they should be given their talent/situation.

--I don't see Best or Spiller having long careers, but in a dynasty I will take the 2-3 good seasons I expect from them and move on.

--Matthews has the build to last, but circumstances will dictate his numbers(ala Matt Forte, imo) moreso than raw talent(which I think is a level or two below Spiller and Best).

--At WR, Bryant is the obvious #1, great QB, great situation, everything you need. I am considering him at 1.1, as we all should. Matthews maybe the safer pick given the situation he finds himself in screams fantasy #1/2 RB, but Bryant has twice the upside. Miles Austin is a fine WR for Dallas, but Bryant can and will be better if he works as hard as I think he will to prove to the "world", as he stated, that they made a mistake ala Randy Moss. In fact, I'm thinking no more, he is the #1 rookie pick, followed by Matthews, then Spiller and Best on my "board".

--A. Benn will also perform like the 1st rounder he would have been if he had went to Florida or Texas. Juice Williams killed his stock, and it was more than obvious while watching Illinois that Juice's ducks/lack of accuracy bothered the hell out of Benn. I don't think this will carry over the pro's, as most WR's would hate, and I stress HATE, playing with a QB like Juice Williams. And while he doesn't have a legit QB in Tampa either(he must be a bit worried, lol..not again!) a professional QB should be able to get him the ball quite often. After the trio of RB's, I'd jump all over this future Boldin-esque #1 WR with a mid 1st to late 1st round pick.



--D. Thomas has Orton/Tebow/Quinn as his QB's...terrible situation, at least for a year or two. Neither one will be able to give him the opportunity to put up #1 WR stats, I'm 99.9% sure of this...too bad. Still a heck of a talent, however, and he will earn every one of those 600-1000 yards he will put up over the next 3-4 years.

--Sam Bradford is the only QB I'd take in round 1, although we can't expect much out of him till year 3 or 4.

--I'd roll the dice on Dan LeFavour in the late 2nd. Martz's QB's all seem to get a shot, regardless of position on the depth chart due to the beating they take and I simply LOVE LeFavour's potential. Was a joy to watch in college(think Tim Tebow, pretty much the same player with better mechanics AND arm, imo) and I think Martz will teach him every last thing he can, given Martz probably views this as his last chance. If he has the brains to learn the system, and Cutler doesn't jive with Martz, DL could take over the QB duties as soon as the 2013 season(as Martz takes over as head coach..lol..)

--Never been a fan of Jimmy Clausen, never will be. Like their 6th round pick(T. Pike) and think he has more potential as a pro QB.

--Tebow will get his shot down the road, have no problem taking him in the 2nd. Can he beat out the other "winner" Kyle Orton? Not this year...and he really should take two years to sit on the bench/practice/learn. Like others have said, something about the guy gives one hope that he will be a fine QB. You can't bet against him, at least with a second round pick. QB talent alone? He should have went on day 3, but again, something about the guy is worth a gamble.

-- The Tate brothers(Golden and Ben) may be worth a late first round pick given their excellent situations, time will tell if they have the talent to back up the hype. I hope both slip to the second round.

-- Something made draftnicks/scouts drool all over Jon Dwyer a year ago, maybe he did fail a drug test? If that is the reason he slipped, especially if the drug wasn't heroin or meth, I'm taking a flyer on him with a late 1st round/or 2nd round pick.

--Gresham has been the #1 NFL TE prospect for what? 3 years now? Will Carson Palmer use him? I think so, you don't ignore a guy if he can get open. Late 1st/2nd.

--Toby Gerhart, what a freaking man-beast of a RB. For those of us who saw him break 50 tackles versus Notre Dame, we can't help but think this guy is the great white hope at RB. If any white RB is going to break the "myth", it's this guy. And we all know Adrian Peterson is simply due for an injury, and if it happens this year, I fully expect Gerhart to come in an produce 4.0 yards per carry, and a dozen goal-line TD's.

-- Ed Dickson always impressed me when I stayed up late to catch the Pac10 game of the week. Look for him to become Flacco's safety blanket very soon. When Baltimore cuts Heap in the off-season, scoop him up asap.

Those are pretty much the only players I want anything to do with/would trade for at this point in time. It's not the strongest group, but there are a handful of players who will make an impact for our fantasy football teams in 2010 and down the road.

Marshall had 101 receptions after a very odd/slow start to the season and missing week 17 completely. Orton may not be able to throw the ball downfield, but he's good enough to produce a #1 receiver in that offense. Assuming by #1, you mean top 12 (marshall finished #3 overall in points-per-game)

 

[MAC_32]

I think Matthews, Best, Dez, and Bradford are all solid picks. After that it gets dicey, I'd probably trend towards the Tate's then Hardesty but would rather sell if I could. I don't expect to get Spiller (over rated, bad situation), Demaryius (awful, awful fit...talent will go to waste), or Toby (I don't own AD).

In the end I'm real happy I don't have any late 1st or early 2nd round picks because the value I'm going to be looking at in the late 2nd to late 3rd (where most of my picks are) is little different than from the late 1st to late 2nd. This draft, while lacking a bit for top end rounders, has a glutton of mid round prospects with long term breakout potential.

 

[Crippler]

I agree with you MOP unless your in an IDP league and this draft has some merit to it. 2 QB leagues and Bradford has value. But I see Dez as the only guy that thrills me much more than some guys that can be had later especially at WR. Not a lot of RB but I dont get excited about any in the end and that includes Matthews as most are going to expect top 10 numbers and I dont see it. Than not alot of RB's to really choose from in the end. Since I dont mind Tate and Hardestay and they can be had later.

 

[Aznflyer14]

Comparing to 2008 (granted, year 2008 was exceptional with RB heavy) and last year, I think this year has probably one of the worst rookie classes. Most of them are long-term projects. Bear in mind, this year's NFL Draft was all about defense and OL.

I can see top 5 picks in Dynasty's rookie class would be Ryan Mathews – RB, Ben Tate – RB, Jahvid Best – RB, RB – CJ Spiller, and WR – Dez Bryant. Demaryius Thomas is a long-term project who has undeniable talents but simply too raw to be fantasy-relevant (personally, Eric Decker offers a better chance in term of receiving production). I like Clausen better than Bradford because of an excellent offensive supporting cast in Panthers.

I believe bottom of top 15 picks hold real value on unearthing 2011's potential starters.

 

[doowain]

Bratkowski: "We've always had those things in there. We probably just went to and featured T.J. (Houshmandzadeh) when we had him and Chad (Ochocinco) and others. Those guys were getting the majority of the balls. Now, we're in a situation where we can add this guy and feel really good about putting things in for him and bring him along and continue to grow his role through it. So, tight end is going to be a factor for us. He gives us another weapon. He gives us another option when they're doubling our guys outside. He gives us something we were missing last year. When the other guys were getting doubled, we struggled a little bit. I think this is going to help us."

My sick twisted mind reads it like this...

"We've always had those things in there"...code for we ain't changin nothing.

"We probably just went to TJ and Chad"...because we don't throw to the TE much!!!

"We can feel really good about putting things in for him, bring him along, and continue to grow his role"...We basically have nothing for him at the moment but I'll work on it.

I don't see how you draw those conclusions from his statement. I read that as "our TEs have always stunk and nowhere near the caliber of our other receivers so why use them?"

The present OC doesn't sound good to me. Again, I have a twisted way of reading into things but I am very uncomfortable with him on the Bengals. I know many owners are going to say that he has no one in front of him. We could say that about a lot of guys including some high profile QBs, doesn't mean they will succeed. I'd be stunned if he caught over 50 balls within the 1st 3 or 4 years he is in the NFL, maybe ever if he stays in Cinci.

They got a guy form Indy a year or two ago, that didn't work, they drafted Coffman, they had Kelly, they don't ever use the TE, not since the early days of Dan Ross, now there's a name you didn't expect to hear.

That was from another thread I posted up on Thursday Night/Friday Morning

The guy from Indy (Utecht) got hurt. Coffman got hurt. Kelly got hurt. It's tough to use use a TE that's hurt.

THIS.I do appreciate the effort by the OP, but I always find it funny when outsiders pretend to know the ins and outs of an offense/team to which they don't follow.

 

[SSOG]

--I don't see Best or Spiller having long careers, but in a dynasty I will take the 2-3 good seasons I expect from them and move on.

Predicting a short career for a pair of 22 year old men is, in my opinion, putting far too fine a point on it. Either you think they're bad (in which case they'll have a very short career), or you think they're good (in which case, they'll probably have a long career). I mean, they could fall off the cliff at age 28, which is an incredibly short career by quality RB standards, and that'd still be 5 years of production.

 

[Tanner9919]

Clausen has zero chance of passing Matt Moore as starting QB of the Panthers..that Moore kid is the real deal..

It looks to me like Clausen is beginning what might be a career backup role..

 

[Beefeaters]

I only like this draft about 8 deep. [Don't count me onboard with the Tates or Hardesty]8 deep:SpillerMatthewsBestBryantBradfordBennThomasGreshamI think that Tim Tebow is the future in Denver that you could push an already raw Thomas out of that 8. Best thinig that could happen to Thomas IMO is if Brady Quinn becomes that future (gulp)Any league I own a pick 9 or later, I'm offering it for a 2nd this year and a 2011 1st. Already got one such deal. Gave 1.09 for 2.04 and 2011 1st.

If the offensive rookie talent is only 8 deep, and you are drafting in an IDP league, do you start taking the top defensive talent around 1.09?

 

[Todem]

Based on pure talent not opportunity and the impact they can have onthe NFL as of now:

1) Dez Bryant

2) CJ Spiller

3) Matthews

4) Best

5) Bradford

6) Golden Tate

7) Hardesty

8) Tate

9) Clausen

10) Graham

11) Gerhart

12) Colt McCoy

I think the truly special blue chip players are Spiller and Bryant. Matthews will also be a solid NFL starter. The QB's I listed are NFL quality. McCoy will have to work very hard to succeed but he reminds me of a Brees type...not the biggest not the strongest but one hell of a leader and a very high NFL IQ. Clausen has the prototype arm and size he just needs to develop his IQ more and get some good coaching and he can succeed.

Best - has a wonderful opportunity and he is a dynamo but his size concerns me long term. He is not thick. Maybe after one full off-season (ala Jamal Charles) he can take the next step.

Golden Tate - call me crazy...but I think he is the goods and will have a very solid NFL career and emerge as the #1 in Seattle in the next couple of years.

Graham - sleeper alert. Watched him every game. Big time raw skills....if you draft him..be very patient.

ROTY - CJ Spiller

 

[SuperJohn96]

Maybe I'm off but I didn't see a lot of great places and players this past weekend.

QB

Sam Bradford (1.01) St Louis: Not a big fan of his. Think he will struggle on a bad team and I expect St Louis to be picking near the top again next season. Someone is gonna take him pretty high in dynasty but I don't see the same chance of success we saw other places.

Tim Tebow (1.25) Denver: I'm not gonna pile on. I thought the throwing mechanics that everyone harped on was overrated a bit. They have a plan for him, likely not gonna be a drop back QB. Think of Tebow kinda like Vick a few years back. He's not the same player and actually might have a better arm in terms of accuracy. Depends on where he fell in the rookie drafts but I would be interested at a certain point.

Jimmy Clausen (2.16) Carolina: All he has to do is beat out Matt Moore. Might not happen for a year or two but Fox usually allows his rookies to sit and observe. Clausen in 2012 might be a nice gem. He has talent and a superb ground game behind him. Not sure he lands in a better situation and he has a legitimate shot to start there.

Colt McCoy (3.04) Cleveland): Just no a fan of McCoy. He only has Delhomme really in front of him. He could be starting but not right away so that isn't a bad things if he can carry a clipboard for 2-3 years.

Kafka, Skelton, Crompton, and Smith...honestly I don't know these QBs enough to really make a judgement but I'm guessing a lot of you don't know much about them either. At best they are probably a project or back up to whoever took them. Philly, AZ, SD, and TN took these guys, several of them have well established QBs.

Dan LeFevour (6th round) Chicago: Has to be play behind Cutler, no thanks. I was excited about him in the NFL, not so much now although ,maybe in 3 years after he sits and watches, who knows?

Tony Pike (6th round) Carolina: Again, not a lot in front of him. If he is better than Clausen or passes him, again here's a guy that doesn't have a lot preventing him to become a starter by 2012 if he develops. I really like this kid but many don't. I like his size and also feel he threw it a lot in college, many QBs do and don't make it in the NFL, but then I watch this kid I like what I see.

With QBs who don't land in the best situation, I like to just consider their talent. We see it almost every year...a talented QB who sits on the pine as a backup to a locked in starter...gets traded or signed to a starting position on a new team.

So if I was interested in LeFevour, I wouldn't be drafting him thinking he'll be the next Bears starting QB, but stashing him until he possibly lands elsewhere.

Schaub, Hasselback, etc... I could go on...