Dynasty QB #22 (1 Viewer)

[-OZ-]

These are consensus dynasty rankings for year 2007 standard FBGs scoring no PPR

If you vote other, please specify.

Also, please comment on your vote, and list any player that should be nominated for the next round.

I like the chatter going on so lets keep that going as we vote. Discussion about why you prefer one of these players compared to the others is useful to everyone involved and offers insight into how people in your leagues may view these players compared to others.

gheemony made a great point about one way to consider dynasty value for players in rankings by giving 50% value to 2007, 33% to 2008, and 17% to 2009. I know there are many ways to look at this and how hard it is to project for players even for one year. But I think it is significant enough that its worth mentioning. I am sure everyone has a different formula that they might use. But this one to me has some good balance and makes a lot of sense. And now has become a topic of discussion in this thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=296123 I welcome you all to read this and offer your perspectives on methods you use in determining where to rank players in dynasty leagues.

1. Peyton Manning 3/24/1976

2. Carson Palmer 12/27/1979

3. Tom Brady 8/3/1977

4. Drew Brees 1/15/1979

5. Donovan McNabb 1/25/1976

6. Matt Hasselbeck 9/25/1975

7. Philip Rivers 12/8/1981

8. Mike Vick 6/26/1980

9. Eli Manning 1/3/1981

10. Vince Young 5/18/1983

11. Matt Leinart 5/11/1983

12. Tony Romo 4/21/1980

13. Marc Bulger 4/5/1977

14. Jay Cutler 4/29/1983

15. Ben Roethlisberger 3/2/1982

16. Alex Smith 5/7/1984

17. JP Losman 3/12/1981

18. Jason Campbell 12/31/1981

19. Daunte Culpepper 1/28/1977

20. Byron Leftwich 1/14/1980

21. JaMarcus Russell

 

[x260bm]

I will go with Jake Delhomme. He seems to be a bargain this late.

 

[Biabreakable]

bump for more votes.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Oz,

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but somebody slipped Damon Huard into your poll while you weren't looking.

 

[Tick]

I said Pennington over Delhomme. I always think those middle-aged guys are a little undervalued.

 

[Tick]

Oz,I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but somebody slipped Damon Huard into your poll while you weren't looking.

Nah, he belongs here. After all, we're at QB52, right?

 

[-OZ-]

Oz,

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but somebody slipped Damon Huard into your poll while you weren't looking.

Nah, he belongs here. After all, we're at QB52, right?

The reason I included him:

25 - Damon Huard KC

26 - David Carr

27 - David Garrard

28 - *Brady Quinn

29 - Chris Simms

30 – Rex Grossman

31 - Tavararis Jackson

32 - John Kitna

33 - Steve McNair

34 - Jeff Garcia

35 – Jake Plummer

36 - Trent Green

 

[Biabreakable]

I should/could have picked Huard up off wavers last year. I even mentioned this fact to the guy who picked him up after I mentioned he was available as I was trying to talk him into trading me Drew Bledsoe reasonably.

:11:

 

[-OZ-]

I should/could have picked Huard up off wavers last year. I even mentioned this fact to the guy who picked him up after I mentioned he was available as I was trying to talk him into trading me Drew Bledsoe reasonably. :11:

Are you going to be around, or do you want me to keep these going? Warning, irrelevant:

I did get Huard off waivers in one league, ended up trading him for Losman: 	* Oz gave up Huard, Damon KCC QB;Johnson, Keyshawn CAR WR	* Fighting Wombat gave up Losman, J.P. BUF QB;Lewis, Jamal BAL RBFWIW, WRs are worth a lot in that league.

I wouldn't vote for Huard here, but he deserves mention soon if not now. I added quite a few choices, would take Huard over a few.I went with Pennington, both him and McNair should be good value picks this year.

 

[wannabee]

I went with Schaub here

 

[Biabreakable]

OZ please keep these going as long as it is not too inconvienient for you. I was lucky to finish work after only 14 hours today due to STT early release. I don't neccessarily expect that to be the case tomorow although I hope to get everything done before the weekend.

Especially next week is going to be rough on my end I think and perhaps also for you? If that is the case we maybe should recruit someone else to keep these things moving in our absence.

Wannabee?

 

[Biabreakable]

I went with Schaub here

Who will Schaub be playing for?

 

[-OZ-]

bumps

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I went with Schaub here

Who will Schaub be playing for?

I think that's the question most people have when considering his value. My question is: just how good is he? He's way over-hyped on these boards, but that doesn't mean he can't be a valid NFL starter at some point. He could be good, but none of us know just how good...and I've yet to see an impressive case outlining the reasons for Shaub's expected success (but I admittedly haven't been checking every thread). I suspect that dynasty fantasy football players hold Schaub in much higher regard than NFL front-office types do, that being the nature of the beast.Right now, Matt Schaub is very close to being Volek-ed on these boards.

 

[Tick]

I think that's the question most people have when considering his value. My question is: just how good is he? He's way over-hyped on these boards, but that doesn't mean he can't be a valid NFL starter at some point. He could be good, but none of us know just how good...and I've yet to see an impressive case outlining the reasons for Shaub's expected success (but I admittedly haven't been checking every thread). I suspect that dynasty fantasy football players hold Schaub in much higher regard than NFL front-office types do, that being the nature of the beast.Right now, Matt Schaub is very close to being Volek-ed on these boards.

Very good post here. You'd think he was Steve Young behind Joe Montana around here. He's basically looked just like Doug Johnson did in spot duty until Johnson had to start more games and was shown to be a scrub. Schaub might be something, but we haven't seen enough to put him up this high IMO.

 

[wannabee]

I went with Schaub here

Who will Schaub be playing for?

To me, here, I will gladly take the chance on Schaub's upside vs the marginal QB2 output of most left. I will take the chance at getting a solid QB1. QB2s are a dime a dozen. Location does not matter much for me.

 

[Biabreakable]

bump for more votes.

 

[-OZ-]

I went with Schaub here

Who will Schaub be playing for?

To me, here, I will gladly take the chance on Schaub's upside vs the marginal QB2 output of most left. I will take the chance at getting a solid QB1. QB2s are a dime a dozen. Location does not matter much for me.

This is why I'd probably take Quinn next, after Pennington. As much risk as there is that he'll bust or never perform up to expectations, there's a fairly decent shot that he'll perform as a good QB1. I'll take his risk over Schaub's.

 

[Biabreakable]

I went with Schaub here

Who will Schaub be playing for?

To me, here, I will gladly take the chance on Schaub's upside vs the marginal QB2 output of most left. I will take the chance at getting a solid QB1. QB2s are a dime a dozen. Location does not matter much for me.

This is why I'd probably take Quinn next, after Pennington. As much risk as there is that he'll bust or never perform up to expectations, there's a fairly decent shot that he'll perform as a good QB1. I'll take his risk over Schaub's.

I agree with this thinking. We are at a level of Qb players where I can understand taking a unknown player over a proven one with little upside. However Quinn offers more upside I think that Shuab does.Kitna has some good promise for short term production as long as Martz is his coach. Only drawback is his age. But the coaches have stated they are commited to Kitna.

 

[crnerblitz]

Wow, no love for Simms? I think he will bounce back nicely in 07. He could possibly be the buy low candidate with the highest ceiling

Kevin

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Wow, no love for Simms? I think he will bounce back nicely in 07. He could possibly be the buy low candidate with the highest ceilingKevin

Why? Seriously, what is it about Chris Simms that would make you believe he has a chance to lead a decent offense, much less have a "high ceiling"? It obviously wasn't the first few games of the 2006 season. Or the 2005 playoff game against the Redskins. I'll be shocked if he starts more than half of the Bucs games next season.

 

[crnerblitz]

Why? Seriously, what is it about Chris Simms that would make you believe he has a chance to lead a decent offense, much less have a "high ceiling"?

It obviously wasn't the first few games of the 2006 season. Or the 2005 playoff game against the Redskins.

I'll be shocked if he starts more than half of the Bucs games next season.

Actually, it was the 2005 playoff game vs Washington that convinced me! Well not really, but partly. I watched several of his games in 05, including both his games vs Washington. Despite whatever statistics he might have had vs the Skins he had all pro games. Just ask any Skins fan whom watched in disbelieve. I couldn't believe he could play like that in the NF. He never showed that kinda moxi at UT. But aside from picking apart the Skins in 2005, He did show the ability to make all the throws, take a hit and lead a team and make them believe. Sure he still has a lot to prove to Gruden and the rest of us. My opinion is that he will well outperform his ranking in this poll and show good value to those willing to take a minor risk on him. Sure I have been wrong before, too many times to count. However on this particular occasion I am putting a stack of chips on Simms to pass bar.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Why? Seriously, what is it about Chris Simms that would make you believe he has a chance to lead a decent offense, much less have a "high ceiling"?

It obviously wasn't the first few games of the 2006 season. Or the 2005 playoff game against the Redskins.

I'll be shocked if he starts more than half of the Bucs games next season.

Actually, it was the 2005 playoff game vs Washington that convinced me! Well not really, but partly. I watched several of his games in 05, including both his games vs Washington. Despite whatever statistics he might have had vs the Skins he had all pro games. Just ask any Skins fan whom watched in disbelieve. I couldn't believe he could play like that in the NF. He never showed that kinda moxi at UT. But aside from picking apart the Skins in 2005, He did show the ability to make all the throws, take a hit and lead a team and make them believe. Sure he still has a lot to prove to Gruden and the rest of us. My opinion is that he will well outperform his ranking in this poll and show good value to those willing to take a minor risk on him. Sure I have been wrong before, too many times to count. However on this particular occasion I am putting a stack of chips on Simms to pass bar.

Koy Detmer has moxi too, but I never saw anybody lining up to put a stack of chips on him. I watched that game and saw him do what he always does: continually throw the ball into the elbows of defensive linemen while mustering little to no offensive production. He's 6'4"! How does he get so many passes knocked down?

The Bucs' season in '06 never got a chance to get started because Simms torpedoed the offense to the tune of 1 TD & 7 picks in the first 3 games. Can they really take the chance of spoiling their season again?

Best case scenario is that he ends up beating out whichever veteran is brought in to compete with him, only to end up with a total of 15 TDs & 15 interceptions. And that's best case. That's not the high ceiling you're after.

 

[lord_helmet]

What a difference a year makes, Delhomme is no better than a QB3 at this point ?

 

[x260bm]

What a difference a year makes, Delhomme is no better than a QB3 at this point ?

If he had not missed those three games, he would have finished at about QB12. QB12 is where he finished last year. He was not quite as productive on a per pass basis, but he did get more attempts to make up for it.

 

[-OZ-]

What a difference a year makes, Delhomme is no better than a QB3 at this point ?

There's been discussion that Delhomme may not be starting much longer. Good value here short term, but who knows about the long term?

 

[Tick]

I had Delhomme up too high on my rankings last offseason. The rumors and opinions that the Panthers are being held back by him make me drop him way down the list... though I'll vote for him as soon as Pennington's off the list.

 

[-OZ-]

Closed:

Chad Pennington 6/26/1976 [ 13 ] ** [12.26%]

Jake Delhomme 1/10/1975 [ 18 ] ** [16.98%]

Rex Grossman 8/23/1980 [ 21 ] ** [19.81%]

Matt Schaub 6/25/1981 [ 6 ] ** [5.66%]

David Carr 7/21/1979 [ 8 ] ** [7.55%]

Tarvaris Jackson 4/21/1983 [ 8 ] ** [7.55%]

Jon Kitna [ 8 ] ** [7.55%]

Damon Huard [ 1 ] ** [0.94%]

Chris Simms [ 4 ] ** [3.77%]

Charlie Frye [ 1 ] ** [0.94%]

Steve McNair [ 1 ] ** [0.94%]

Brett Favre [ 1 ] ** [0.94%]

Brady Quinn [ 16 ] ** [15.09%]

Other [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]