Dynasty QB Rankings- QB9 (1 Viewer)

[jeter23]

1. Peyton Manning, Colts (3-24-1976) 59% [brady 37%]

2. Tom Brady, Patriots (8-3-1977) 37% [Romo 3%] **QB1 and 2 used the same poll**

3. Carson Palmer, Bengals (12-27-1979) 44% [Romo 21%]

4. Drew Brees, Saints (1-15-1979) 43% [Romo 34%]

5. Tony Romo, Cowboys (4-21-1980) 50% [Roethlisberger 47%]

6. Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers (3-2-1982) 47% **Same poll used for QB5 and 6**

7. Jay Cutler, Broncos (4-29-1983) 29% [E Manning 18%]

8. Eli Manning, Giants (1-3-1981) 26% [McNabb 20%]

 

[Winning IS Everything]

We now start getting to QBs that have question marks. This is the tough part of the poll. Part of me wants to go youth here, but McNabb is too good an option to pass up.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Eli over McNabb???? wow....

 

[gman8343]

I like Hass.

 

[kethnaab]

how the hell did Eli get this high in a FANTASY poll?

C'mon now, that is primarily a running team.

anyway, Hasselbeck is grossly undervalued. He'll hit 4k/30 next season. He has enough targets to spread it around, he makes good decisions, and Holmgren has realized that his team is no longer a running team.

 

[ATRAIN56]

Marc Bulger and its not close

 

[PranksterJD]

Eli over McNabb???? wow....

Where were you last poll when I was taking these fools on?

 

[kethnaab]

Marc Bulger and its not close

he's played 3 seasons as a starter and has been injured in 3 other seasons. Out of those 3 seasons, he had 1 good season and 2 fair seasons, and "fair" is a term I'm using looselyI agree though, "it's not close".

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Marc Bulger and its not close

he's played 3 seasons as a starter and has been injured in 3 other seasons. Out of those 3 seasons, he had 1 good season and 2 fair seasons, and "fair" is a term I'm using looselyI agree though, "it's not close".

I agree Bulger is not a good dynasty prospect at all unless you can pick him up late. In redraft he might be worth a gamble but even then I would not gamble on him in the number 9 slot.

 

[kethnaab]

also consider that in 2006, out of Bulger's 370 completions, 4301 yards and 24 TDs, 90/806/3 were the result of SJax's YAC

So take SJax out of the picture, and you have

3500 yards, 280 attempts, 21 TDs.

Hardly comparable to what Hasselbeck has been putting up.

Hasselbeck is really the only one on this list that doesn't have a pretty fat question-mark beside their names.

I find it laughable that people still consider VY a professional QB, let alone a worthwhile fantasy option

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Eli over McNabb???? wow....

Where were you last poll when I was taking these fools on?

Trading for McNabb!!!

 

[FavreCo]

Eli over McNabb???? wow....

Where were you last poll when I was taking these fools on?

Trading for McNabb!!!

Great idea. Manning the last 3 years: 25,24,24 combined passing/rushing TD's.McNabb: old, beat up and no viable stud WRs, 16, 21, 19 combined passing/rushing TD's and a major injury risk. He's gettign ready to visit McNair's level of skill. He already has the bounce pass perfected.

 

[EBF]

Eli over McNabb???? wow....

 

[kethnaab]

Eli over McNabb???? wow....

Where were you last poll when I was taking these fools on?

Trading for McNabb!!!

Great idea. Manning the last 3 years: 25,24,24 combined passing/rushing TD's.McNabb: old, beat up and no viable stud WRs, 16, 21, 19 combined passing/rushing TD's and a major injury risk. He's gettign ready to visit McNair's level of skill. He already has the bounce pass perfected.

yeah, I don't get the whole McNabb thing. He's had 1 spectacular year and 1 fair year and a whole bunch of years where he did jack squat. Without a sicko like TO to throw to, his ceiling is about 3500 yards, 25 TDs. Hasselbeck has hit that ceiling 3 times in his career already and that was with a HEAVILY run-based offense and nothing resembling a stud WR.Remember, McNabb only missed 2 games (and part of a 3rd) last season. Yes injuries hampered him, but when don't they? Problem is that he has a few outstanding games (especially against teams like Detroit and New Orleans) and then several more games where he is average, at best.

 

[KoolKat]

Eli over McNabb???? wow....

Where were you last poll when I was taking these fools on?

Trading for McNabb!!!

Great idea. Manning the last 3 years: 25,24,24 combined passing/rushing TD's.McNabb: old, beat up and no viable stud WRs, 16, 21, 19 combined passing/rushing TD's and a major injury risk. He's gettign ready to visit McNair's level of skill. He already has the bounce pass perfected.

 

[KoolKat]

Eli over McNabb???? wow....

Where were you last poll when I was taking these fools on?

we are fools, yet you cannot address any of the premises I presented in the previous thread of why Eli is the better choice?

 

[PranksterJD]

Eli over McNabb???? wow....

Where were you last poll when I was taking these fools on?

we are fools, yet you cannot address any of the premises I presented in the previous thread of why Eli is the better choice?

"fools" in the playful sense, friend. Don't take offense I don't really need to rehash whether I agree or disagree with what you were saying there. Eli took it and that's that. These polls are what they are... just a decent indicator of groupthink. They're good for showing what the SP as a whole thinks of a player. The SP is not always right. I'm more than happy to take this as an indicator that I can get greater value for Eli on the market than I believe he has on my team. Its me vs. the SP on this one, and while I don't generally like those odds, it won't ever stop me from taking on the challenge.

 

[moderated]

DG is the best guy out there right now.

 

[kethnaab]

I think that Eli's ceiling was reached during the playoffs this past season.

Extrapolating his final 5 games of the year (NE week 17 + 3 playoffs + SB), Eli averages out to about 3500 yards, 32 TDs. Chances are good he would, in an ideal situation, get close to that.

Essentially, Eli's ceiling is Matt Hasselbeck's average over the last 4 healthy seasons while he was in a primarily run-based offense.

Right after the Steelers annihilated Seattle, Holmgren pretty much abandoned the run and went with the pass. Despite his best receiver (D.J. Hackett) missing substantial time, Hasselbeck averaged, over weeks 6 through 16, 267 yards and 2 TDs per game with < 1 pick per game. That makes for a pretty solid fantasy average. With hackett back full time in 2008, I'm calling Hasselbeck to have a 4000ish/30ish season next year, and Hasselbeck is only about 2 years older than Brady and 1 year older than Manning.

 

[KoolKat]

Eli over McNabb???? wow....

Where were you last poll when I was taking these fools on?

we are fools, yet you cannot address any of the premises I presented in the previous thread of why Eli is the better choice?

"fools" in the playful sense, friend. Don't take offense I don't really need to rehash whether I agree or disagree with what you were saying there. Eli took it and that's that. These polls are what they are... just a decent indicator of groupthink. They're good for showing what the SP as a whole thinks of a player. The SP is not always right. I'm more than happy to take this as an indicator that I can get greater value for Eli on the market than I believe he has on my team. Its me vs. the SP on this one, and while I don't generally like those odds, it won't ever stop me from taking on the challenge.

I understand that, but the fact is, I presented at least 4 premises that followed to the conclusion that Eli is the better choice. Your only premise was that McNabb's ceiling is higher, and I blew up that argument. You can't just claim things and give no reasons why you are correct. Please enlighten me to WHY you still think McNabb is the better choice in your opinion.

 

[dgreen]

Hasselbeck is grossly undervalued.

 

[kethnaab]

DG is the best guy out there right now.

I like DG as a bye-week option and a "holy crap, my primary QB is playing WHO???" optionHe is going to be pretty solid, yet unspectacular.Remember, we're talking about a guy who has thrown for > 250 yards twice in his entire career, and has exactly 2 games with 3 TD passes. He's never, in his career, recorded 30 fantasy points in a game and has broken 25 fantasy points perhaps twice.It's not like Jax is going to become a pass-oriented system anytime soon.DG is a good guy to stick in when you don't want the QB to lose the game for you, but his ceiling is far too low to say "he's the best option" for anything other than a bye week replacement.

 

[coolnerd]

We now start getting to QBs that have question marks. This is the tough part of the poll. Part of me wants to go youth here, but McNabb is too good an option to pass up.

Outside the top 5-6 QBs there are plenty of questions. this becomes a personal preference/make-up of roster issue. do you want ?Youth-Cutler, has he really done enough to be the unquestioned number 7, not in my mind."Old" but solid - Hassselbeck, not interesting enough for many. "Old" and Injuried with some (not consistent though) history of top performance- laughable that these 31 year old QBs are old, but Manning and Brady are not. More injury prone, yes, but 31 is not old for a QB. Unquestioned starters- wasn't Eli, Garrad who threw interceptions 6 weeks ago. Team has investment, but not sure yet- Young, Leinart, Schaub,

 

[moderated]

DG is the best guy out there right now.

I like DG as a bye-week option and a "holy crap, my primary QB is playing WHO???" optionHe is going to be pretty solid, yet unspectacular.Remember, we're talking about a guy who has thrown for > 250 yards twice in his entire career, and has exactly 2 games with 3 TD passes. He's never, in his career, recorded 30 fantasy points in a game and has broken 25 fantasy points perhaps twice.It's not like Jax is going to become a pass-oriented system anytime soon.DG is a good guy to stick in when you don't want the QB to lose the game for you, but his ceiling is far too low to say "he's the best option" for anything other than a bye week replacement.

DG was top 10 PPG in his first year as a starter, he has plenty of upside going forward. He is far more than a bye-week filler, there are only about 5 QB's i'd be more confidant starting week in and week out.Also i don't care whether someone gets 40 fantasy points one week and 0 the next, or 20 points each week. All that matters is what they end up with by the end of the season, how they get there is irrelevant to me. Most people seem to actually prefer consistency, which DG has.He's the best option right now IMO, if i was in a startup dynasty draft and my pick was up i'd take him over any of the options listed.

 

[kethnaab]

DG was top 10 PPG in his first year as a starter, he has plenty of upside going forward. He is far more than a bye-week filler, there are only about 5 QB's i'd be more confidant starting week in and week out.

a reasonable assertion. I like Garrard's dependability, but before we call in a 3/4-season semi-wonder (remember, he wasn't the unquestioned starter until this year when Leftwich stunk it up), let's consider that he played 14 games last season, including the playoffs.totals - 21 TDs, 2927 yards. That's an average of about 1.5 TDs, 175 yards per game. Let's not get too wrapped up in his no-pick streak. That's all it was, a streak. He threw 0 picks the first 8 starts of 2007, then threw 6 picks in the final 6 games of the season, including the playoffs.I think the 6 picks is a lot closer to what you can expect in 2008 than the 0 picks through 8 games. Remember, Dale Long hit a HR in 8 consecutive games once. Let's not place excessive weight to that type of extrapolation

Also i don't care whether someone gets 40 fantasy points one week and 0 the next, or 20 points each week. All that matters is what they end up with by the end of the season, how they get there is irrelevant to me. Most people seem to actually prefer consistency, which DG has.He's the best option right now IMO, if i was in a startup dynasty draft and my pick was up i'd take him over any of the options listed.

for a part of a season, he was pretty consistent. I'd be a bit more convinced if his upside wasn't about equal to what Matt Hasselbeck has put up several times already in his career.

 

[moderated]

DG was top 10 PPG in his first year as a starter, he has plenty of upside going forward. He is far more than a bye-week filler, there are only about 5 QB's i'd be more confidant starting week in and week out.

a reasonable assertion. I like Garrard's dependability, but before we call in a 3/4-season semi-wonder (remember, he wasn't the unquestioned starter until this year when Leftwich stunk it up), let's consider that he played 14 games last season, including the playoffs.totals - 21 TDs, 2927 yards. That's an average of about 1.5 TDs, 175 yards per game. Let's not get too wrapped up in his no-pick streak. That's all it was, a streak. He threw 0 picks the first 8 starts of 2007, then threw 6 picks in the final 6 games of the season, including the playoffs.I think the 6 picks is a lot closer to what you can expect in 2008 than the 0 picks through 8 games. Remember, Dale Long hit a HR in 8 consecutive games once. Let's not place excessive weight to that type of extrapolation

Also i don't care whether someone gets 40 fantasy points one week and 0 the next, or 20 points each week. All that matters is what they end up with by the end of the season, how they get there is irrelevant to me. Most people seem to actually prefer consistency, which DG has.He's the best option right now IMO, if i was in a startup dynasty draft and my pick was up i'd take him over any of the options listed.

for a part of a season, he was pretty consistent. I'd be a bit more convinced if his upside wasn't about equal to what Matt Hasselbeck has put up several times already in his career.

Hass is 3 yrs older and we've seen his upside, which is a bit above-average. I don't think we've seen DG's upside considering he's been a starter for 1 season. He looked a lot more comfortable as the year went on. Why do you assume we've seen DG's upside? Very few QB's have their career year in year 1.Also DG gets some rushing stats which give him an extra couple fantasy points per week over most QB's.I can see arguments for other QB's, but Garrard is as good as any of the ones being talked about IMO.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Eli over McNabb???? wow....

This from a guy who has Jerry Porter and Brandon Stokley ranked higher than Roddy White.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Eli over McNabb???? wow....

This from a guy who has Jerry Porter and Brandon Stokley ranked higher than Roddy White.

Porter is a good argument, and possibly higher - sure. Stokley is VASTLY underappreciated (especially from those who apparently think Cutler is a Top 7 QB ).

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Hasselbeck is grossly undervalued.

This is also correct.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Eli over McNabb???? wow....

Where were you last poll when I was taking these fools on?

Trading for McNabb!!!

Great idea. Manning the last 3 years: 25,24,24 combined passing/rushing TD's.

McNabb: old, beat up and no viable stud WRs, 16, 21, 19 combined passing/rushing TD's and a major injury risk. He's gettign ready to visit McNair's level of skill. He already has the bounce pass perfected.

yeah, I don't get the whole McNabb thing. He's had 1 spectacular year and 1 fair year and a whole bunch of years where he did jack squat. Without a sicko like TO to throw to, his ceiling is about 3500 yards, 25 TDs. Hasselbeck has hit that ceiling 3 times in his career already and that was with a HEAVILY run-based offense and nothing resembling a stud WR.Remember, McNabb only missed 2 games (and part of a 3rd) last season. Yes injuries hampered him, but when don't they? Problem is that he has a few outstanding games (especially against teams like Detroit and New Orleans) and then several more games where he is average, at best.

Using what I consider a "Quality Start", I evaluate QBs on a PPG basis.

A "QS" is a game where he has hit the avg. PPG for a QB, give or take 25%. For FBG scoring, an avg. QB per week gets 16 PPG, so my QS range is 12-20. Anything at 12 or under is a bad start, and 20+ is a great start.

Checking McNabb over the last 4 seasons:

2007: 2 Bad Starts, 7 QS, 5 Great Starts (+3)

2006: 2-1-7 (+5)

2005: 1-4-4 (+3)

2004: 3-4-7 (+4)

Yeah, McNabb's only good for 1-2 starts a year....

 

[Dodge]

Crap I hit Derek instead of Matt. Oops.

 

[kethnaab]

Hass is 3 yrs older and we've seen his upside, which is a bit above-average.

we haven't necessarily seen his upside, honestly. Until the last half of 2007, Seattle has, under Holmgren, been a VERY run-oriented offense. In 2006, the Hawks were 10th in rushing attempts, 19th in pass attempts. In 06, the Hawks were 6th in rushing attempts, 23rd in passing attempts. In the last half of 2007, Seattle did a 180 and started passing the ball, and Hasselbeck posted career highs across the board. Once the Hawks really started pushing the pass (last 11 games of the season), in 8 of those games, he had multiple TDs and broke 300 yards 3 times, and broke 245 yards 7 of the last 11 gamesThe Hawks have been running the ball at least 450 times per season every year since Hasselbeck has been a starter, despite Hasselbeck putting up solid #s.

I can see arguments for other QB's, but Garrard is as good as any of the ones being talked about IMO.

fair enough!

 

[Burning Sensation]

Eli over McNabb???? wow....

This from a guy who has Jerry Porter and Brandon Stokley ranked higher than Roddy White.

Porter is a good argument, and possibly higher - sure. Stokley is VASTLY underappreciated (especially from those who apparently think Cutler is a Top 7 QB ).

I dont want to hijack, but i cant help it. How can you have a 32 year old #3 WR, who has only one season where he ranked higher than the 47th ranked WR higher than White? Roddy White finished with over 1200 yards in his 3rd season with the QB trio of Leftwhich, Harrington, and Redman. Porter and Stokley have combined for one 1000 yard season in 17 seasons, and that was Stokley in the year Manning threw for 49 TD's.Point being, having Roddy White ranked where you do is far more questionable than Eli over Mcnabb.Sorry for the hijack

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Because it is probably a flaw in my rankings..... I'll have to look at that one.

 

[moderated]

Eli over McNabb???? wow....

This from a guy who has Jerry Porter and Brandon Stokley ranked higher than Roddy White.

Porter is a good argument, and possibly higher - sure. Stokley is VASTLY underappreciated (especially from those who apparently think Cutler is a Top 7 QB ).

Whoa, please tell me the Stokley ranking was a mistake.He's almost 32 and has 1 season in his 9 year career where he was usable. He's horrible as far as FF is concerned and isn't even worth holding on a roster in a dynasty league.How in the world can you have him over Roddy White? that's just a horrific ranking with no logic behind it.

 

[moderated]

Because it is probably a flaw in my rankings..... I'll have to look at that one.

ok, you posted this while i was posting my other response.Thank god it was a mistake, i was going to ask you to resign from FBG's if you actually believed Stokley was more valuable than Roddy White.Stokley completely sucks as far as FF is concerned.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Because it is probably a flaw in my rankings..... I'll have to look at that one.

Nope, it isn't a flaw at all.Happy to look at it for you, but....

Porter isn't even 30 yet. (turns 30 in July)
He was the #1 target in Oakland last year
His QB situation was a mess last year
In 3 of the 5 prior seasons, he was a Top 30 WR. Last year he was 37th.
The 2 other years he missed Top 30 he missed 6 games and 12 games.Now if you want to say that you're high on Roddy White, ok - but I tend to like the WRs that have been there on a more consistent basis - but your statement that he's 32 is just wrong. Both WRs have iffy QB situations, but OAK is more likely to throw and also plays more wide open.

 

[moderated]

Because it is probably a flaw in my rankings..... I'll have to look at that one.

Nope, it isn't a flaw at all.Happy to look at it for you, but....

Porter isn't even 30 yet. (turns 30 in July)
He was the #1 target in Oakland last year
His QB situation was a mess last year
In 3 of the 5 prior seasons, he was a Top 30 WR. Last year he was 37th.
The 2 other years he missed Top 30 he missed 6 games and 12 games.Now if you want to say that you're high on Roddy White, ok - but I tend to like the WRs that have been there on a more consistent basis - but your statement that he's 32 is just wrong. Both WRs have iffy QB situations, but OAK is more likely to throw and also plays more wide open.

I was talking about Stokely, who from what BurningSensation said you have ranked over Roddy.The Porter ranking over Roddy is highly questionable, but i can at least see an angle for it, there is no angle for Stokely.

 

[Road Warriors]

Eli over McNabb???? wow....

Where were you last poll when I was taking these fools on?

Trading for McNabb!!!

Great idea. Manning the last 3 years: 25,24,24 combined passing/rushing TD's.

McNabb: old, beat up and no viable stud WRs, 16, 21, 19 combined passing/rushing TD's and a major injury risk. He's gettign ready to visit McNair's level of skill. He already has the bounce pass perfected.

yeah, I don't get the whole McNabb thing. He's had 1 spectacular year and 1 fair year and a whole bunch of years where he did jack squat. Without a sicko like TO to throw to, his ceiling is about 3500 yards, 25 TDs. Hasselbeck has hit that ceiling 3 times in his career already and that was with a HEAVILY run-based offense and nothing resembling a stud WR.Remember, McNabb only missed 2 games (and part of a 3rd) last season. Yes injuries hampered him, but when don't they? Problem is that he has a few outstanding games (especially against teams like Detroit and New Orleans) and then several more games where he is average, at best.

Using what I consider a "Quality Start", I evaluate QBs on a PPG basis.

A "QS" is a game where he has hit the avg. PPG for a QB, give or take 25%. For FBG scoring, an avg. QB per week gets 16 PPG, so my QS range is 12-20. Anything at 12 or under is a bad start, and 20+ is a great start.

Checking McNabb over the last 4 seasons:

2007: 2 Bad Starts, 7 QS, 5 Great Starts (+3)

2006: 2-1-7 (+5)

2005: 1-4-4 (+3)

2004: 3-4-7 (+4)

Yeah, McNabb's only good for 1-2 starts a year....

and one reason to discount McNabb dynasty value:2007: 14 starts

2006: 10 starts

2005: 9 starts

2004: 14 starts

Age, injury risk, and lack of explosive weapons don't make for a good Dynasty target, IMO.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Because it is probably a flaw in my rankings..... I'll have to look at that one.

Nope, it isn't a flaw at all.Happy to look at it for you, but....

Porter isn't even 30 yet. (turns 30 in July)
He was the #1 target in Oakland last year
His QB situation was a mess last year
In 3 of the 5 prior seasons, he was a Top 30 WR. Last year he was 37th.
The 2 other years he missed Top 30 he missed 6 games and 12 games.Now if you want to say that you're high on Roddy White, ok - but I tend to like the WRs that have been there on a more consistent basis - but your statement that he's 32 is just wrong. Both WRs have iffy QB situations, but OAK is more likely to throw and also plays more wide open.

I didnt say Porter was 32, i said Stokley was.Porter will be 30 before the season starts and has never caught for 1000 yards or 10 TD's in a season, nor finished in the the top 25 WR's.

 

[kethnaab]

Using what I consider a "Quality Start", I evaluate QBs on a PPG basis.A "QS" is a game where he has hit the avg. PPG for a QB, give or take 25%. For FBG scoring, an avg. QB per week gets 16 PPG, so my QS range is 12-20. Anything at 12 or under is a bad start, and 20+ is a great start.Checking McNabb over the last 4 seasons:2007: 2 Bad Starts, 7 QS, 5 Great Starts (+3)2006: 2-1-7 (+5)2005: 1-4-4 (+3)2004: 3-4-7 (+4)

interesting concept, but potentially flawed, stats being what they are. I guess where we differ is "quality starts". I just don't consider 12 or 13 points from a QB a "quality start".Assuming 1:25, 6:1, -2:1, standard rushing score:2007 games < 10 points = 4games < 15 points = 8games < "average 16" = 9games 15 <> 25 = 4 ("solid")games > 25 = 3 ("excellent")So 3 outstanding games, 4 solid games, 9 games that were substandard. Remember, there are 16 games in a season. 1/4 of the 2007 season, he produced less than 10 points. 9 games of the season, he had less points than the 'average = 16' statIn 2006, he was great...when he played. Unfortunately, he missed 6 games. Out of his remaining 10 games, 5 would've been excellent and another 4 of them solid. In 2005, similarly, he generally played quite well when he played. Again, however, he missed games (7, in fact). Out of the remaining 9 games, 1/3 of them were either crappy or below average (so 10, total, below average), 5 above average (5 "above average" out of a 16-game season), 2 that were damn good and 2 that were outstanding.In 2004, his injury situation (as well as his "TO" situation) were completely different, and are irrelevant for the subject at hand.In an ideal world, McNabb plays 16 games. "PPG" is only a truly appropriate stat when you're dealing with a rookie who didn't get his chance until the 6th game of the season, not someone who has missed 15 games over the last 3 years

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Because it is probably a flaw in my rankings..... I'll have to look at that one.

Nope, it isn't a flaw at all.Happy to look at it for you, but....

Porter isn't even 30 yet. (turns 30 in July)
He was the #1 target in Oakland last year
His QB situation was a mess last year
In 3 of the 5 prior seasons, he was a Top 30 WR. Last year he was 37th.
The 2 other years he missed Top 30 he missed 6 games and 12 games.Now if you want to say that you're high on Roddy White, ok - but I tend to like the WRs that have been there on a more consistent basis - but your statement that he's 32 is just wrong. Both WRs have iffy QB situations, but OAK is more likely to throw and also plays more wide open.

I didnt say Porter was 32, i said Stokley was.Porter will be 30 before the season starts and has never caught for 1000 yards or 10 TD's in a season, nor finished in the the top 25 WR's.

You might want to check that last "Fact".....As for 10 TDs / 1000 yards, he's had 9 twice and had 998 in 2004 (the year he was #20 in FBG scoring). Not many WRs get double-digit TDs.

Gotta love debating WR40-ish guys.....

 

[kethnaab]

A "QS" is a game where he has hit the avg. PPG for a QB, give or take 25%. For FBG scoring, an avg. QB per week gets 16 PPG, so my QS range is 12-20. Anything at 12 or under is a bad start, and 20+ is a great start.

out of curiosity, I decided to do some checking.Hasselbeck's 2007 season, according to you1 bad start8 quality starts7 great startsaccording to me, 12 starts at or above average, including 7 games > 20 pointsInterestingly enough, in Hasselbeck's last 16 starts, he has had 15 starts that are "quality" or "excellent", according to your ranking. McNabb has only had 13 "quality" or "excellent" starts in his last 16 games.Problem is, you have to go all the way back to the first quarter of 2006 to get McNabb's 16 starts.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Because it is probably a flaw in my rankings..... I'll have to look at that one.

Nope, it isn't a flaw at all.Happy to look at it for you, but....

Porter isn't even 30 yet. (turns 30 in July)
He was the #1 target in Oakland last year
His QB situation was a mess last year
In 3 of the 5 prior seasons, he was a Top 30 WR. Last year he was 37th.
The 2 other years he missed Top 30 he missed 6 games and 12 games.Now if you want to say that you're high on Roddy White, ok - but I tend to like the WRs that have been there on a more consistent basis - but your statement that he's 32 is just wrong. Both WRs have iffy QB situations, but OAK is more likely to throw and also plays more wide open.

I didnt say Porter was 32, i said Stokley was.Porter will be 30 before the season starts and has never caught for 1000 yards or 10 TD's in a season, nor finished in the the top 25 WR's.

You might want to check that last "Fact".....As for 10 TDs / 1000 yards, he's had 9 twice and had 998 in 2004 (the year he was #20 in FBG scoring). Not many WRs get double-digit TDs.

Gotta love debating WR40-ish guys.....

Sorry, you are right, he did finish #20 in 2004. Also, i wouldnt be debating WR40-ish guys, if you didnt have Roddy White there. Only a couple months after he finished as the #16 WR in his 3rd season with a trio of QB's that shouldnt even be in the league.

Anyway, i promise i will stop hijacking now.

 

[geoff8695]

I find it laughable that people still consider VY a professional QB, let alone a worthwhile fantasy option

I wouldn't want him as my #1 fantasy QB, but IMO he is a proven winner and I'm very impressed with what he's accomplished in short order with virtually no help. Hopefully one day he'll be surrounded with some offensive talent and then we'll get to see just how good VY can be.

 

[FavreCo]

I find it laughable that people still consider VY a professional QB, let alone a worthwhile fantasy option

I wouldn't want him as my #1 fantasy QB, but IMO he is a proven winner and I'm very impressed with what he's accomplished in short order with virtually no help. Hopefully one day he'll be surrounded with some offensive talent and then we'll get to see just how good VY can be.

Let us remember that Vick was mentioned the same way. Exit Vick, enter Roddy White - 1000 yard season with what most would consider inferior QB's to vick.Fact is that Vick held back the passing game the same way Vince Young does. Defense won games for TENN. Not Young.

 

[FBGPoker]

I find it laughable that people still consider VY a professional QB, let alone a worthwhile fantasy option

I wouldn't want him as my #1 fantasy QB, but IMO he is a proven winner and I'm very impressed with what he's accomplished in short order with virtually no help. Hopefully one day he'll be surrounded with some offensive talent and then we'll get to see just how good VY can be.

Let us remember that Vick was mentioned the same way. Exit Vick, enter Roddy White - 1000 yard season with what most would consider inferior QB's to vick.Fact is that Vick held back the passing game the same way Vince Young does. Defense won games for TENN. Not Young.

Who won games for Atlanta then? With Vick they were a legit playoff contender every year, without him they are one of the worst teams in the NFL.

QB's don't need to throw for gaudy stats to win games. Young may never become a great passing QB, but that doesn't mean he can't be a game changing QB who's team has a better chance to win with him then without.

Vince had a bad year in 07', but his rookie year he was the main reason for most of TENN wins, not the defense.

 

[EBF]

Because it is probably a flaw in my rankings..... I'll have to look at that one.

Nope, it isn't a flaw at all.Happy to look at it for you, but....

Porter isn't even 30 yet. (turns 30 in July)
He was the #1 target in Oakland last year
His QB situation was a mess last year
In 3 of the 5 prior seasons, he was a Top 30 WR. Last year he was 37th.
The 2 other years he missed Top 30 he missed 6 games and 12 games.Now if you want to say that you're high on Roddy White, ok - but I tend to like the WRs that have been there on a more consistent basis - but your statement that he's 32 is just wrong. Both WRs have iffy QB situations, but OAK is more likely to throw and also plays more wide open.

I didnt say Porter was 32, i said Stokley was.Porter will be 30 before the season starts and has never caught for 1000 yards or 10 TD's in a season, nor finished in the the top 25 WR's.

You might want to check that last "Fact".....As for 10 TDs / 1000 yards, he's had 9 twice and had 998 in 2004 (the year he was #20 in FBG scoring). Not many WRs get double-digit TDs.

Gotta love debating WR40-ish guys.....

Sorry, you are right, he did finish #20 in 2004. Also, i wouldnt be debating WR40-ish guys, if you didnt have Roddy White there. Only a couple months after he finished as the #16 WR in his 3rd season with a trio of QB's that shouldnt even be in the league.

Anyway, i promise i will stop hijacking now.

It is a tough ranking to justify. Even if you're a Roddy skeptic, you have to think that a young first round talent coming off a 1,200 yard season with junk quarterbacks is better than the dynasty WR44. Maybe he's the next Peerless Price, but maybe he's legit. You're not giving him enough credit putting him behind has-beens and never-weres like Isaac Bruce, Patrick Crayton, Donte Stallworth, Bryant Johnson, Jerry Porter, and Deion Branch. He has a good pedigree, he had a phenomenal year, and he's seemingly entering his prime. What's not to like? I have White towards the rear of my top 20. I think it would be hard to justify ranking him outside the top 30.

Hijack over.

 

[FBGPoker]

Because it is probably a flaw in my rankings..... I'll have to look at that one.

Nope, it isn't a flaw at all.Happy to look at it for you, but....

Porter isn't even 30 yet. (turns 30 in July)
He was the #1 target in Oakland last year
His QB situation was a mess last year
In 3 of the 5 prior seasons, he was a Top 30 WR. Last year he was 37th.
The 2 other years he missed Top 30 he missed 6 games and 12 games.Now if you want to say that you're high on Roddy White, ok - but I tend to like the WRs that have been there on a more consistent basis - but your statement that he's 32 is just wrong. Both WRs have iffy QB situations, but OAK is more likely to throw and also plays more wide open.

I didnt say Porter was 32, i said Stokley was.Porter will be 30 before the season starts and has never caught for 1000 yards or 10 TD's in a season, nor finished in the the top 25 WR's.

You might want to check that last "Fact".....As for 10 TDs / 1000 yards, he's had 9 twice and had 998 in 2004 (the year he was #20 in FBG scoring). Not many WRs get double-digit TDs.

Gotta love debating WR40-ish guys.....

Sorry, you are right, he did finish #20 in 2004. Also, i wouldnt be debating WR40-ish guys, if you didnt have Roddy White there. Only a couple months after he finished as the #16 WR in his 3rd season with a trio of QB's that shouldnt even be in the league.

Anyway, i promise i will stop hijacking now.

It is a tough ranking to justify. Even if you're a Roddy skeptic, you have to think that a young first round talent coming off a 1,200 yard season with junk quarterbacks is better than the dynasty WR44. Maybe he's the next Peerless Price, but maybe he's legit. You're not giving him enough credit putting him behind has-beens and never-weres like Isaac Bruce, Patrick Crayton, Donte Stallworth, Bryant Johnson, Jerry Porter, and Deion Branch. He has a good pedigree, he had a phenomenal year, and he's seemingly entering his prime. What's not to like? I have White towards the rear of my top 20. I think it would be hard to justify ranking him outside the top 30.

Hijack over.

It's more than a tough ranking to justify, but then again i don't really understand many of Jeff's dynasty rankings. Doesn't mean he's wrong, maybe i'm just stupid, but i've been baffled by quite a few of his rankings over the past couple years. It's almost as if i'm looking at redraft rankings when i look at them.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Because it is probably a flaw in my rankings..... I'll have to look at that one.

Nope, it isn't a flaw at all.Happy to look at it for you, but....

Porter isn't even 30 yet. (turns 30 in July)
He was the #1 target in Oakland last year
His QB situation was a mess last year
In 3 of the 5 prior seasons, he was a Top 30 WR. Last year he was 37th.
The 2 other years he missed Top 30 he missed 6 games and 12 games.Now if you want to say that you're high on Roddy White, ok - but I tend to like the WRs that have been there on a more consistent basis - but your statement that he's 32 is just wrong. Both WRs have iffy QB situations, but OAK is more likely to throw and also plays more wide open.

I didnt say Porter was 32, i said Stokley was.Porter will be 30 before the season starts and has never caught for 1000 yards or 10 TD's in a season, nor finished in the the top 25 WR's.

You might want to check that last "Fact".....As for 10 TDs / 1000 yards, he's had 9 twice and had 998 in 2004 (the year he was #20 in FBG scoring). Not many WRs get double-digit TDs.

Gotta love debating WR40-ish guys.....

Sorry, you are right, he did finish #20 in 2004. Also, i wouldnt be debating WR40-ish guys, if you didnt have Roddy White there. Only a couple months after he finished as the #16 WR in his 3rd season with a trio of QB's that shouldnt even be in the league.

Anyway, i promise i will stop hijacking now.

It is a tough ranking to justify. Even if you're a Roddy skeptic, you have to think that a young first round talent coming off a 1,200 yard season with junk quarterbacks is better than the dynasty WR44. Maybe he's the next Peerless Price, but maybe he's legit. You're not giving him enough credit putting him behind has-beens and never-weres like Isaac Bruce, Patrick Crayton, Donte Stallworth, Bryant Johnson, Jerry Porter, and Deion Branch. He has a good pedigree, he had a phenomenal year, and he's seemingly entering his prime. What's not to like? I have White towards the rear of my top 20. I think it would be hard to justify ranking him outside the top 30.

Hijack over.

It's more than a tough ranking to justify, but then again i don't really understand many of Jeff's dynasty rankings. Doesn't mean he's wrong, maybe i'm just stupid, but i've been baffled by quite a few of his rankings over the past couple years. It's almost as if i'm looking at redraft rankings when i look at them.

Its not you, whenever i go to look at the rankings, i put a little checkmark in the box above his name. I have been doing so since he had Shaun Alexander ranked as the #5 RB going into the 2007 season. I dont want to sound like a Richard, because i have no problems with Jeff, but his dynasty rankings are just bad.