[DYNASTY] QB Rankings (1 Viewer)

[3nOut]

Based on the same thread from last year, I thought I'd start a new one for 2009. What a difference a year makes! My top 20 QBs for the next 3 years (indicate in your rankings if you look out more than 3 years):

1. Tom Brady: assuming he comes back healthy

2. Peyton Manning: Still a great QB with great targets available to him

3. Drew Brees: Potent offense

4. Tony Romo: I think he's be better without TO

5. Jay Cutler: If he leaves Denver, he probably drops

6. Aaron Rodgers: Nice start, will get even better

7. Philip Rivers: Jackson, LT, Gates, Chambers.

8. Matt Schaub: Underrated, great targets. Only if he could just stay healthy for a full season.

9. Matt Cassel: Boom or bust. With Gonzo, Bowe, Bradley, LJ, etc., I say boom.

10. Kurt Warner: Getting up there in age. If he had more than a two year contract, he might be higher.

11. Matt Ryan: Looked impressive as rookie. Can be higher.

12. Eli Manning: I think we've seen his peak (in talent). Giants are a run-first team.

13. Carson Palmer: Talented without question. But questions about his receiving corp drop him here.

14. Ben Roethlisberger: Despite his one year with good FF numbers, he's not a top 10 FF QB.

15. Donovan McNabb: Who knows where he'll be in this next 3-year span. Kolb is brething down his neck.

16. Matt Hasselbeck: Good QB. Bad WRs (though improving)

17. Trent Edwards: Has potential, especially now with TO there (for one year).

18. Jake Delhomme: I really wanted to put him higher, but just couldn't do it. Where?

19. Brady Quinn: Assuming he starts for the Browns this year...

20. Matthew Stafford: Assuming he gets drafted by a team that could start him NOW (who??).

The rest are pretty much in the same tier. When all the questions above get answered, they will move up. Until then, its all a big question mark.

Thoughts? What are your rankings?

 

[Bankerguy]

Interesting list.

Romo waaay too high.

Matt Ryan too low.

 

[3nOut]

Interesting list.

Romo waaay too high.

Matt Ryan too low.

Interesting coming from a Cowboys' fan.If Ryan had more receivers and if the Falcons get a good receiving TE, he could move up.

 

[3nOut]

I am also torn on where Cassel fits.

 

[KellysHeroes]

No way I take Brady #1 QB... not only was that ACL rebuilt, but it was infected all last yr.

 

[Trey]

I still lean towards Peyton at #1. No health concerns and you know he's going to be throwing a bunch.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I got Cutler at 3

 

[texasbirdfan]

Interesting list. Romo waaay too high.Matt Ryan too low.

I agree on Romo unless they bring in someone like Matt Jones. M Ryan is about right imo

 

[FUBAR]

A:

Peyton Manning: Still top dog, unless Brady is 100% healthy

Tom Brady: after he shows me he's back, he's #1

Drew Brees: younger, highly productive could be #1

B:

Aaron Rodgers: Jennings, talent, good surrounding cast

Jay Cutler: I won't drop him much right now, but can't raise him either

Matt Ryan: I like this kid

Philip Rivers: good cast

C:

Tony Romo: We'll see

Matt Schaub: he's got AJ! and OD

Kurt Warner: older, but high production for now

Eli Manning: good QB, not great production

Carson Palmer: could be an A again

Ben Roethlisberger: see Eli, but better in the real game

Donovan McNabb: Still good

D:

Matt Cassel: call me skeptical. Good surrounding talent though

Matt Hasselbeck: meh

Trent Edwards:

Jake Delhomme:

Brady Quinn: could be an A, could be out of the league

Joe Flacco: could be Ben/Eli type

Honorable Mention (filling out the QB2s in a 12 team league):

Matthew Stafford, Chad Henne, Jason Campbell, Shaun Hill

 

[Couch Potato]

This is not my own list, but here is a compilation list of 6 of the sources I track, after weighting (my gut 'trustworthiness' factor). I thought it might be good to share even if it isn't my own list.

I have a start up draft coming up that begins on NFL draft day with guys from this board, so my own list is private for now.

1 Brees, Drew NO

2 Manning, Peyton IND

3 Cutler, Jay DEN

4 Rodgers, Aaron GB

5 Brady, Tom NE

6 Rivers, Philip SD

7 Romo, Tony DAL

8 Ryan, Matt ATL

9 Roethlisberger, Ben PIT

10 Warner, Kurt ARI

11 Palmer, Carson CIN

12 McNabb, Donovan PHI

13 Schaub, Matt HOU

14 Manning, Eli NYG

15 Cassel, Matt KC

16 Flacco, Joe BAL

17 Garrard, David JAC

18 Campbell, Jason WAS

19 Hasselbeck, Matt SEA

20 Russell, JaMarcus OAK

21 Quinn, Brady CLE

22 Edwards, Trent BUF

23 Orton, Kyle CHI

24 Rosenfels, Sage MIN

25 Henne, Chad MIA

26 Delhomme, Jake CAR

27 Hill, Shaun SF

28 Pennington, Chad MIA

29 Leinart, Matt ARI

30 Bulger, Marc STL

31 McCown, Luke TB

32 Kolb, Kevin PHI

33 Young, Vince TEN

34 Clemens, Kellen NYJ

35 Ratliff, Brett NYJ

36 Collins, Kerry TEN

37 Anderson, Derek CLE

38 Culpepper, Daunte DET

39 Thigpen, Tyler KC

40 Jackson, Tarvaris MIN

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

Off the top of my head, with tiering:

1. Brees - PROLIFIC passing offense

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2. P. Manning - he is, well, Peyton Manning.

3. Brady - In larger leagues, I may pass on Brady due to knee issues, and take a "safer" guy later.

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4. A. Rodgers - very impressive in his first season as a starter, good receiving corps.

5. Cutler - as long as he (and Marshall) play for Denver.

6. Romo - TO's departure is a concern, but I think Jerry Jones will bring in WR talent in 2010 if 2009 doesn't work out as expected.

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7. Schaub - I like him best in this tier, but not by a lot.

8. Rivers - I think he is good, but a little overrated.

9. Warner - Top 3 in a redraft, but last season's full slate of games might have been a fluke. Falls this far also because he is on the 1-2 year plan.

10. McNabb - Produces every year with little receiving talent around him

11. Palmer - not a safe pick, but high upside.

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12. M. Ryan - Very impressive as a rookie, but was only QB16. Not enough upside until more receiving help is added, but his talent is undeniable.

13. E. Manning - solid, but limited upside until the Giants add receiving help

14. Roethlisberger - Better NFL QB than fantasy, could rise with, yep, more receiving help

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15. Hasselbeck - Housh might make him relevant again, but Hasselbeck seems like an injury risk nowadays

16. Flacco - looked like the real deal, but limited on that offense

Everybody else:

Edwards - make or break year with the signiong of TO... good year may give Edwards confidence for the future

Quinn - Gotta see more

Delhomme - starting to look replaceable

Cassel - I think he succeeded because he was in New England. We'll see how he adjusts to a new team.

Pennington - stopgap

Campbell - make or break year, needs to take the next step

Bulger - not enough to throw to, injury risk

Russell - just not looking good, but I haven't written him off yet

ETA: Flacco

 

[texasbirdfan]

ok. Atlanta finally has the best over all positional coaching staff in their history (including wr coach) and have had good receivers on the roster. It is not the receivers that held them back the last decade. The current scheme of the staff is run first. And they are in control

so how can you guys rate Ryan that high from 16th to better than 12th?

 

[3nOut]

ok. Atlanta finally has the best over all positional coaching staff in their history (including wr coach) and have had good receivers on the roster. It is not the receivers that held them back the last decade. The current scheme of the staff is run first. And they are in control

so how can you guys rate Ryan that high from 16th to better than 12th?

What's your list?

 

[Couch Potato]

ok. Atlanta finally has the best over all positional coaching staff in their history (including wr coach) and have had good receivers on the roster. It is not the receivers that held them back the last decade. The current scheme of the staff is run first. And they are in control

so how can you guys rate Ryan that high from 16th to better than 12th?

Well, I think the answer is that Ryan is 23 years old, has started off very strong (rookies are generally awful, and he performed like a vet most of the year), and it's a DYNASTY ranking. Where will he be at 26? 28? 30? Most think that over the course of a career he'll be golden, and things like whether he has a TE or great WR2 or pass-first coach TODAY are secondary concerns. If he continues to fulfill his promise, the offense will be built around him.

Ranking of #16 AS A ROOK is terrific. How can anyone NOT see him at least #12 long-term, at a position where the good ones continue on into their mid to late 30s without losing production. And I promise you he'll be playing long after the current coaching staff has been fired.

 

[Bankerguy]

I am more in line with CP's list.

The Cowboys will start to change their offensive identity this year. They will RUN the ball this year much more and play a more conservative game plan. They realize that they have to put the reigns on Romo to make him a more complete QB. Just my 0.02 and what I am hearing and suspect.

 

[Q-Bert]

ok. Atlanta finally has the best over all positional coaching staff in their history (including wr coach) and have had good receivers on the roster. It is not the receivers that held them back the last decade. The current scheme of the staff is run first. And they are in control

so how can you guys rate Ryan that high from 16th to better than 12th?

Because he had perhaps the greatest rookie QB season ever. If he can do what he did as a rookie then his ceiling is awfully high.

 

[Q-Bert]

1. Brees

2. Manning

3. Brady

4. Cutler

5. Rivers

6. Rodgers

7. Romo

8. Ryan

9. Rothlisberger

10. Schaub

11. Warner

12. E. Manning

13. Palmer

14. McNabb

15. Flacco

16. Edwards

17. Stafford

18. Cassell

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

1 Drew Brees

2 Peyton Manning

3 Tom Brady

4 Tony Romo

5 Aaron Rodgers

6 Jay Cutler

7 Phil Rivers

8 Matt Schaub

9 Matt Ryan

10 Carson Palmer

11 Big Ben

12 Brady Quinn

13 Matt Cassell

14 Donovan McNabb

15 Kurt Warner

16 Joe Flacco

17 Eli Manning

18 Sage Rosenfelds

19 JaMarcus Russell

20 Jason Campbell

21 Matt Hasslebeck

22 Jake Delhomme

23 Kyle Orton

24 Matt Stafford

 

[FUBAR]

ok. Atlanta finally has the best over all positional coaching staff in their history (including wr coach) and have had good receivers on the roster. It is not the receivers that held them back the last decade. The current scheme of the staff is run first. And they are in control

so how can you guys rate Ryan that high from 16th to better than 12th?

Because he had perhaps the greatest rookie QB season ever. If he can do what he did as a rookie then his ceiling is awfully high.

That's pretty much it. I'll gladly take a young QB with a high quality #1 WR, a good running back and plays in the south or a dome. Not too many of those guys around.

 

[3nOut]

I'm a bit surprised to see how many people have Big Ben as a top 12 FF QB for the next three years [dynasty]. I think he's a great QB and leader but not in FF. I believe Aikman ws the same way. Great on the field but not very good for our favorite hobby.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

Aeyton Manning: Still top dog, unless Brady is 100% healthyTom Brady: after he shows me he's back, he's #1Drew Brees: younger, highly productive could be #1B:Aaron Rodgers: Jennings, talent, good surrounding castJay Cutler: I won't drop him much right now, but can't raise him eitherMatt Ryan: I like this kidPhilip Rivers: good castC:Tony Romo: We'll seeMatt Schaub: he's got AJ! and ODKurt Warner: older, but high production for nowEli Manning: good QB, not great productionCarson Palmer: could be an A againBen Roethlisberger: see Eli, but better in the real gameDonovan McNabb: Still goodD:Matt Cassel: call me skeptical. Good surrounding talent thoughMatt Hasselbeck: mehTrent Edwards: Jake Delhomme: Brady Quinn: could be an A, could be out of the leagueJoe Flacco: could be Ben/Eli typeHonorable Mention (filling out the QB2s in a 12 team league):Matthew Stafford, Chad Henne, Jason Campbell, Shaun Hill

Now I know why I had trouble in WSL4 at the 15th slot and you at the 16th slot. We think too much alike Haven't ranked QB's yet but my list would look pretty much like yours. Brady,Manning and Brees belong as the top 3,IMO, even if Brady is coming back from injury he's earned being there until he proves otherwise. My QB's in WSL4 are Rodgers and Ryan, who like you I like a lot and he's going to have a good nfl career. If the Falcons dedicate themselves to putting talent around Ryan the sky's the limit with this kid. He could become Peyton-like. Rodgers is only going to get better as well. I'm putting Rivers ahead of Cutler slightly only because of Jay's situation at the moment. These 4 deserve being in the group below the top 3.Your group C is chock full of excellant QB's. Some are a little better fantasywise but all are pretty good real nfl QB's. I may go out on a limb, even though he's only produced a short period, and squeeze Matt Cassel into this group. He's got Bowe,Gonzo,Engram, so Pioli and Haley are gonna help this kid be successful.Group D has vets who've been successful only question is how much longer will Hasselbeck and Delhomme be successful. Still decent #2 fantasy QB's. Edwards,Quinn and Flacco certainly have talent and potential so hopefully we'll see progress in these guys this year. We'll just have to see who will take their game to the next level.

 

[thecardiackid]

1 Drew Brees

2 Peyton Manning

3 Tom Brady

4 Tony Romo

5 Aaron Rodgers

6 Jay Cutler

7 Phil Rivers

8 Matt Schaub

9 Matt Ryan

10 Carson Palmer

11 Big Ben

12 Brady Quinn

13 Matt Cassell

14 Donovan McNabb

15 Kurt Warner

16 Joe Flacco

17 Eli Manning

18 Sage Rosenfelds

19 JaMarcus Russell

20 Jason Campbell

21 Matt Hasslebeck

22 Jake Delhomme

23 Kyle Orton

24 Matt Stafford

I like this list, except I'd push Rivers over Rodgers & Cutler.And BQ @ 12? Even as a Browns fan who would be VERY happy if Quinn sniffs the top 12 QBs anytime soon, I just don't see it. I do appreciate the bold call though.

 

[Crippler]

1. Peyton - Still the best QB in the NFL and a team to reckon with

2. Brady - Probably #1 if not for the knee. Will he be rusty and does new OC change things

3. Brees - Saints love to throw but will they get back more to the run

4. Rivers - Great team with excellent receiving talent around including both RB's.

5. Rodgers- Kind of like Rivers but I think he could still be injury prone and team is not as good on O side

6. Big Ben- The Aikman comparisons are not close. He puts up consistent numbers and the Steelers pass more than enough with weapons. I see 30 TD's again

7. Carson Palmer- As long as healthy, he can chuck the rock and has good targets

8. Jay Cutler-I think he is good but overrated. Dont like this riff thing at all and think Denver wants to run more

9. Matt Ryan- A good QB with a bright future. I see Atlanta being run 1st team

10. Joe Flacco-From week 7 to 16, he outscored Ryan in my league. Way underrated and very comparable to Ryan IMO. I see Baltimore drafting O before Falcons

11. Tony Romo-I think losing TO was huge and that he is another overrated guy in the end. We will see soon enough if I am wrong

12. Kurt Warner/Matt Leinart- Got to have both. Warner on talent alone is top 5 but he could retire come next year. Leinart drops though but Cards pass happy

13. Trent Edwards-I think smart QB and Buffalo will open up playbook finally and develop young guys for future. Like what they have going on there

14. Matt Schuab - Will he last a year. Texans are the Cards of the last 5 years to improve. Dont see it. Still good enough team to be this high

15. Eli Manning - He would be a little higher like 12 if Burress was there. Makes him completely different QB. Giants are run first though. Aikman here

16. Donovan McNabb-So inconsistent. Watching him play hurts with is gopher balls. When he is on, he is top 10 though

17. Matt Cassell-I am also skeptical and think he is more like Elvis Grbac, Rob Johnson, AJ Feeley in the end. But weapons are there. I would grab Thigpen if I owned Cassell

18. Brady Quinn-Chance to be good but I see a game manager with not very many weapons right now on O

19. Chad Henne(Pennington),. I would like to have Henne and than grab Pennington as a QB combo for now and the future

20. Matt Hasselbeck - Good fantasy QB but I have concerns if this is not his last year if the back does not get better

21. Jake Delhomme - PUt in same shoes as Hasselbeck but performance. I dont like either backup in the end

22. Matt Stafford - I think he could bust but I like him better than next tier

23. Jason Campbell - AT this point not guys you can rely on and I dont see them ever being that good

24. Jamarcus Russelll - Great arm, just not the moxy for the game

25. Mark Sanchez - Could be 2 to 3 year project before he is useable

26. Kyle Orton - Still fairly young but does one ever think he will be startable

27. Josh Freeman - Kind of like Sanchez but maybe longer wait

28. Sage Rosenfals - I dont think him or Jackson are the real QB of the future there and see QBBC in the end

 

[SugarNuts]

ok. Atlanta finally has the best over all positional coaching staff in their history (including wr coach) and have had good receivers on the roster. It is not the receivers that held them back the last decade. The current scheme of the staff is run first. And they are in control

so how can you guys rate Ryan that high from 16th to better than 12th?

Because he had perhaps the greatest rookie QB season ever. If he can do what he did as a rookie then his ceiling is awfully high.

Dan Marino?

 

[Q-Bert]

ok. Atlanta finally has the best over all positional coaching staff in their history (including wr coach) and have had good receivers on the roster. It is not the receivers that held them back the last decade. The current scheme of the staff is run first. And they are in control

so how can you guys rate Ryan that high from 16th to better than 12th?

Because he had perhaps the greatest rookie QB season ever. If he can do what he did as a rookie then his ceiling is awfully high.

Dan Marino?

Chase had a very interesting article at the end of last season that looked to compare Ryan and Flacco to the greatest rookie QB seasons ever. Depending on what your baseline was Ryan or Marino had the best rookie season ever (if you used league average Marino was better, if you used 3/4 of league average Ryan was better).I think the argument could go either way which is why I said he had perhaps the greatest rookie QB season ever. Without thinking too much about the order, the top rookie seasons (based on Chase's article and I think commonly agreed by most observers) are Marino, Ryan, Rothlisberger, and Greg Cook. Cook got injured and never really played again. But I think with Marino and Rothlisberger you are looking at very impressive comps.

 

[Mustang Man]

Based on the same thread from last year, I thought I'd start a new one for 2009. What a difference a year makes! My top 20 QBs for the next 3 years (indicate in your rankings if you look out more than 3 years):

1. Tom Brady: assuming he comes back healthy

2. Peyton Manning: Still a great QB with great targets available to him

3. Drew Brees: Potent offense

4. Tony Romo: I think he's be better without TO

5. Jay Cutler: If he leaves Denver, he probably drops

6. Aaron Rodgers: Nice start, will get even better

7. Philip Rivers: Jackson, LT, Gates, Chambers.

8. Matt Schaub: Underrated, great targets. Only if he could just stay healthy for a full season.

9. Matt Cassel: Boom or bust. With Gonzo, Bowe, Bradley, LJ, etc., I say boom.

10. Kurt Warner: Getting up there in age. If he had more than a two year contract, he might be higher.

11. Matt Ryan: Looked impressive as rookie. Can be higher.

12. Eli Manning: I think we've seen his peak (in talent). Giants are a run-first team.

13. Carson Palmer: Talented without question. But questions about his receiving corp drop him here.

14. Ben Roethlisberger: Despite his one year with good FF numbers, he's not a top 10 FF QB.

15. Donovan McNabb: Who knows where he'll be in this next 3-year span. Kolb is brething down his neck.

16. Matt Hasselbeck: Good QB. Bad WRs (though improving)

17. Trent Edwards: Has potential, especially now with TO there (for one year).

18. Jake Delhomme: I really wanted to put him higher, but just couldn't do it. Where?

19. Brady Quinn: Assuming he starts for the Browns this year...

20. Matthew Stafford: Assuming he gets drafted by a team that could start him NOW (who??).

The rest are pretty much in the same tier. When all the questions above get answered, they will move up. Until then, its all a big question mark.

Thoughts? What are your rankings?

1. Peyton Manning- the Brady injury question vaults him to the top2. Drew Brees- for fantasy he is golden and that Brady injury vaulted Brees to the 2 spot

3. Brady- could easily put the top qb number over the next 3 years but injury question looms large right now

4. Phillip Rivers- The guy just broke out 4000+ yards and 30+td LT slowing down is the reason. That won't change

5. Aaron Rodgers- He has the young weapons and is in a good offense to keep putting up fantasy #'s

6. Matt Ryan- he will only get better, his upside is what gets him this slot

7. Tony Romo-The offense will not throw as much this year but his td's will still be in the mid 20's every year at least

8. Jay Cutler- his unknown trade rumors drop him if he ends up in Det wow. If he stays in Denver he is top 5

9. Carson Palmer- he still has talent, when healthy he is good to go, playing from behind so much helps him

10. Donovan Mcnabb- his age is on the dynasty edge. Down swing is coming but I see two more season of great production.

11. Ben Roethlisberger- he is a better NFL QB then fantasy because of the offense he is in but still solid and super tough.

12. Matt Shcaub- let's face it he is injury prone, if he puts together a full season he out performs where he is on the list.

13. Matt Cassel- I am not sold, he has to do it away from the Patriot camp for me to take him any higher

14. Kurt Warner- his age put's him here. Also if he loses Boldin that hurts as well. Last year could have been his last big one

15. Trent Edwards- he has the weapons now make or break season for him I think he makes it. Could shoot up the list next year

16. Joe Flacco- I seen a lot of him last season, he will change the culture in Baltimore. No more same boring offense.

17. Eli Manning-he is a deal at this point don't forget about this guy he is a solid BU and can carry your team past a QB injury

18. Brady Quinn- I believe he will be starting this season in Clev but really he will be no more then a BU fantasy qb

19. Jamarcus Russell- don't give up on him yet. He showed promise late in the season last year. Only his 3rd season. Give him 1 more season

20. David Garrard- as bad as he was last season is as good as he was 2 years ago. I say he falls somewhere in between them numbers and at #20 is a good value

I can't rank the rookies yet. Where are they going? It is to much of a crap shoot and last season was a mirage with Ryan and Flacco. That will not happen again. Rookie qb's do not just come in and light it up it takes 2-3 year 95% of the time.

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