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- Thread starter Fear & Loathing
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Sooner rather than later. Only teams that have a chance to win this year should be holding Portis or trying to obtain him...If it can be done cheaply.
BespokeJort
Footballguy
Hope you're right about Harvin...I just traded Brandon Marshall for him straight across
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
In a dynasty format I'd make that trade.
BespokeJort
Footballguy
I def. like Harvin better long-term, which is why i made the move, but I was less certain about the rest of this year (and I expect to contend as I won the chip last year)eventually decided screw it, with Marshall's decline in production if i'm gonna wait on a guy I'd rather wait on Harvin (who's already producing somewhat decently)shame i didn't sell Marshall last year right after his 18 reception game, likely coulda packaged him with not much else for Fitzjdoggydogg said:I'd gladly take Harvin over Marshall. I don't see Marshall as a top-20 dynasty WR.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
I believe their talent level is similar. Walker's injury history is very troubling however. The bonus in choosing Walker is you will get a chance to see very quickly how good he can be. He's got a starting spot locked up for the rest of the season. The reports that I read on Jones (from the local beat writers) were that he decisively beat out Jordy Nelson for the #3 spot. But he remains blocked by Driver and Jennings. Driver is 33 and is more or less in the last year of his contract. (It takes a big jump in 2010.) Driver is currently playing quite well, and not really showing signs of slipping. However, the cap constraints the Packers will be facing will force them to make some difficult choices in the offseason. Not really sure how that will work out for Driver yet. If he's gone, Jones will be put in a very good position for fantasy success. If not, its another year on the fantasy bench for Jones. Hope that helps.BradtheAg said:
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
There's no doubt that Marshall is a specimen. The problem is I think he's just as likely to get suspended as he is to put up a 100 yard 2 TD game.I def. like Harvin better long-term, which is why i made the move, but I was less certain about the rest of this year (and I expect to contend as I won the chip last year)eventually decided screw it, with Marshall's decline in production if i'm gonna wait on a guy I'd rather wait on Harvin (who's already producing somewhat decently)shame i didn't sell Marshall last year right after his 18 reception game, likely coulda packaged him with not much else for Fitzjdoggydogg said:I'd gladly take Harvin over Marshall. I don't see Marshall as a top-20 dynasty WR.
EBF
Footballguy
He looked damn good in the preseason. He's smooth with a great burst and good hands. I think he'll be a player in the league for a long time. Right now he's the victim of a very mediocre system and supporting cast. He'll probably never be an elite FF player unless he lands in a perfect system like Welker, but he should be a steady WR2-WR3 for the next 5-6 years. I think he's comparable to a young Laveranues Coles.gheemony said:
footballguy#1
Footballguy
Was wondering when we might see an update of the RB rankings?
I am specifically interested in where you would move the rookie RB's now that we have seen a few games.
Also, I'm assuming W. McGahee has moved up, how far up would you move him?
Thanks.
I am specifically interested in where you would move the rookie RB's now that we have seen a few games.
Also, I'm assuming W. McGahee has moved up, how far up would you move him?
Thanks.
BespokeJort
Footballguy
was curious about this as well, along with a WR update if possible since there wasn't one in the last set?thanks for all you do around here f&l
Some pretty good judges of QB talent are high on Henne. I think he has the chance to be good.
EBF
Footballguy
Any promising prospect with an opportunity to play warrants a look in dynasty leagues. Much depends on your roster size and league setup, but I think both of them are worth a shot. You never know when you're going to find the next Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Aaron Brooks, Tom Brady, or Marc Bulger. Henne looks like the better option of the two because he was a much higher draft pick and his long term competition is weaker (unless you think Pat White is a threat). Johnson will have to play very well very soon to keep Freeman on the bench.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I think Josh Johnson is Tyler Thigpen. I think he's capable, and I think he has good fantasy upside - both arm and feet. If the Bucs will let Leftwich air it out, they should probably let Johnson as well. I think the only way the Bucs keep him as starter long term is if they win a lot of games, which isn't happening. Chad Henne has a decent chance to be an NFL starter long term. But I think his fantasy upside is very limited by the Dolphins offense. The Dolphins are going to grind out every game and be boring.
coyote5
Footballguy
Really?? Because that is certainly not showing up on the field...
EBF
Footballguy
Frankly, both situations are brutal and I'm not very excited about either player.The problem with Johnson is that the Bucs are terrible and will probably keep losing. It's really only a matter of time until politics and pressure force Freeman into the starting lineup. Johnson will have to play like Elway to keep that job.The Dolphins are a horrible situation too, but for slightly different reasons. Unlike the clowns in Tampa, Parcells knows how to build winning teams. Unfortunately, he seems committed to making this Miami offense as boring as possible. It was obvious in the offseason that WR was an acute need, but they passed up the opportunity to get someone like Hakeem Nicks or TJ Houshmandzadeh and instead added a couple C+ level prospects to their C+ grade group of veterans. So even if Henne keeps the job, he won't have much to work with for the forseeable future. Nevertheless, I'd favor him because I'd rather have a solid starter in a weak offense than a place holder in a slightly better offense (which is what Johnson looks like).If Henne plays well and keeps the job then maybe the Fins will gradually upgrade the passing game over the next few seasons.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
I'll try to get to all 4 positions this week. Unfortunately, my Monday's are booked and Tuesday's are hellish, so it realistically won't be until later in the week. I'm not sure how much McGahee can move up. Touchdown specialists don't generally have a ton of value in Dynasty leagues, and Ray Rice isn't gong anywhere. I guess McGahee could get chopped next offseason and end up as a starter somewhere else ... in which case, he'd be an aging, injury-prone guy with little job security.Re: Rookie RBs. Moreno stays where he's been. Donald Brown moves up a bit. Beanie probably moves down a bit. McCoy not much movement. Greene not much. James Davis hasn't done anything, and Coffee has been underwhelming in regular season action.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
Thoughts on DeSean Jackson?
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
My thoughts after this week (with him on my bench) is that DeSean Jackson has officially achieved "stud" status. And what I mean by that is that no matter what's going on, whether he's nursing a sore groin and has a backup QB in, if he's active, he has to be in the lineup. Coming off of last year and seeing what he's done so far this year, I think he's joined a select group of people that you simply cannot bench if he's active. That's how I'm treating from here on out.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Stock way up.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
Nice. Even with the inevitable return of McNabb, Westbrook and Curtis?
BespokeJort
Footballguy
thanks for the update/input.Re: willis, if it were me I don't think I'd trade him for anyone below tier 5 other than possibly sproles or benson (both of which I have tabbed as guys likely to move up in your next rankings list anyway), even if I were in a rebuilding year. Obviously he's worth more to a contender...EDIT: don't think i'd move him for tomlinson (done, likely to fall anyway) or Shonn Greene (a younger but less talented version of the same role going forward) either
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Sure. I think he's proven to be an elite talent. If it's possible, I think he's even a step faster this season. He looks to me like the fastest player with the ball in hands outside of Chris Johnson.
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
Hey F&L
I know this the time most selling on Portis.
Whats your take on him. Is he much better (production-wise) going foward
than youngster like Bradshaw??
I know this the time most selling on Portis.
Whats your take on him. Is he much better (production-wise) going foward
than youngster like Bradshaw??
KSU_Shrink
Footballguy
What about Kevin Kolb's outlook as compared to Henne's? It seems that Kevin has more support, but less opportunity to play this year. Is Henne more than a stop gap?
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
As a Dynasty entity, I loathe Portis and have for quite awhile. The time for selling is long gone. That's a good question. I think much of it depends on your league. Having a flex spot makes all the difference in the world for guys like Bradshawn, Sproles and Leon Washington.
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Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
Okay thanks. Where would you rank him right now in your dynasty rankings?
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Kolb is going to be overhyped based on his garbage time stats against the Saints and a good performance (aided by DeSean Jackson's after-the-catch work) against an awful Chiefs team. I'm not saying Kolb is chopped liver, but he's going to be over-rated.I don't like what the Dolphins have at wide receiver, but Henne has a much better chance to take the job and run with it. Kolb would have to be traded this offseason, though Vick is the one likely to go. Kolb is kind of like an Aaron Rodgers (Waiting for Godot) at this point, so it's a question of roster size and whether you believe Kolb is a special talent.
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
curious on this as well.
I would think McNabb would help, and I don't think Curtis is assured anything at this point. I could see him being the #4 WR on the Eagles by mid season.
Just picking nits, but there's nothing BORING about the Dolphins offense. It's run-heavy, but it's the most interesting, entertaining, and varied running game in the league. Even beyond the wildcat, they run a lot of stuff that no one else in the league will even try- with great success, I might add.With that said, I agree with the last point you made. The Dolphins team is built to run right now because its QB right now was Chad Pennington. Either Henne winds up being good (in which case the Dolphins build around him and his offense improves), or else Henne winds up being bad (in which case it doesn't matter how the Dolphins offense is built, because he'll suck no matter what). Especially given the huge career window that QBs have compared to RBs and WRs, if you like a QB's talent his situation really doesn't matter.
Have you forgotten about No Mercy already?
Both guys are second rounders who have spent a couple of "no shame" seasons on the bench (i.e. it's not like they're backing up Trent Dilfer- the guy in front of them is an actual quality NFL QB). Both are guys who really haven't shown anything. The only difference between the two is that I really liked Henne coming out and I didn't like Kolb. Nothing's really changed since they've come out, so I've had no real reason to change my mind on either prospect. Kolb's numbers look decent, but as has been pointed out, most of that is garbage-time or taking advantage of a 1-AA defense or benefiting from DeSean Jackson entering beast mode.I do think that Henne is better than a stopgap, although there's such a high bust rate on QBs that I wouldn't bet the farm on it, even if I do really like him.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Boring as hell. Honestly, I can't even think of six or seven teams in the league I'd rather not be assigned to on a Sunday afternoon than the Dolphins. It's like Gertrude Stein territory.
Let's be honest here. You know I love Percy, but DeSean Jackson is faster. More electric, it's debatable. Higher ceiling, give me Percy. But for pure game-breaking speed, Jackson has him ... and it's not really close.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Devil's advocate: Many WRs in the NFL are taller, faster, and have better hands than Anquan Boldin. And Boldin may be the best physical comp for Jones in the league. I'm not sure who's a better Dynasty WR b/w Jones and Nelson. Kitrick Taylor, a very knowledgable Packers fan, comes down hard on the side of Jones every time. He watches the games more than I do, and he knows what he's talking about. As of right now, the two are canceling each other out.
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
I have R.Moss S.Smith (car) VJax D.Jax and Super Mario on one of my dynasty teams and wanted to see where you rank Desean amongst the top wr's now.
I also like to hear your thoughts on VJAX as well. Looks like he is turning the corner as well.
I also like to hear your thoughts on VJAX as well. Looks like he is turning the corner as well.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
I really haven't looked at it in any kind of depth at all. My initial reaction is that I've always loved V-Jax, have him on just about every roster I own and consider him probably Top-10 at this point. DeSean Jackson probably in the 15-18 range? I just don't know b/c I haven't looked.But for more exiting news, I was 11-for-12 in softball tonight! After fracturing my ankle in the spring on top of being an out-of-shape thirty-something, that's pretty important Monday night news. And thank you for your support.
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
Damn....11-for-12? Jesh how many runs your team scored altogether?
I don't know. I remember DeSean Jackson essentially ran the same 40 speed at the combine as Andre Caldwell, and Harvin is certainly faster than Caldwell. Also, watching both players break-aways (Harvin's kickoff return, DeSean's long TD) this last week, Harvin was the guy who made it look like everyone else on the field was just jogging. It's possible that Jackson has higher top-end speed, but Harvin reaches top speed so much faster that Jackson's higher top-end speed doesn't make any difference in football terms.Unless we can see both players on the field at the same time, all I can go off of is indirect comparisons, and the indirect comparisons favor Harvin. Heck, last year he played with Jeff Demps, who is legitimately the fastest player in the history of college football, and Harvin was faster on the field.
I really think of them as one WR who takes up two roster spots. I think they're just so much more valuable together (which guarantees you the starter once Driver finally leaves town, and throws in his handcuff for good measure) than they are apart (which gives you two 50% shots at the starter). They've both looked good enough on the field that I have no problem holding them both to see how it shakes out. If I owned one but not the other, I'd be making continuous efforts to either trade for the other one, or to trade the one I own to the guy who owns the other one.I felt the same way about Collie and Garcon before we started getting some evidence on the field to distinguish them. Just get them both and guarantee you've got the guy you want. Actually, there have been a lot of situations like that the past couple of years. At the top of my roster, I'd rather swing for the fences, but at the bottom, I'm all about maximizing my chances of getting a quality player.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Those were the reports. Now, understand that newspaper reporters do not have crystal balls that can actually tell what is going to happen. Reports all sounded positive on Jones early on. However the Packers offense was unstoppable in the preseason and there was plenty of catches to go around. Now, it appears that Packers have issues at both tackle positions and this is certainly limiting offensive production.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Are we really arguing who is faster between Harvin and Jackson like it has anything to do with their skills? Both guys fall under the heading ....REALLLY ####### FAST!
Hey, it's an 85 page thread. Obviously not every single post is going to be hard-hitting fantasy analysis.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Is Brady Quinn garbage? In what leagues is he droppable now? All 1QB leagues? More than that?
I think it's too early to throw in the towel on Quinn. My rule of thumb is to give all QBs two full seasons from when they're first anointed the starter. Something like 80% of all top-10 fantasy QBs in any given year managed a top 10 fantasy finish within their first two seasons as a starter (the only notable exceptions recently: Hasselback and Brees). If a QB is not a top-10 player at his position within two seasons as a starter, I give up on him, unless he's given me compelling reason not to (e.g. Ben Roethlisberger, who wasn't a useful fantasy player in his first two years as a starter, but who had made it abundantly clear that he was an awesome NFL talent).Brady Quinn has less than a half-season's worth of starts. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too early to do something crazy like drop him or sell low. If you liked him before he started in the league, then your opinion now should remain relatively unchanged.
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
Whats yall take on Steve Smith (NYG) is he for real going foward.
Sure has posted some SOLID #'s. Is a a great wr2 or is he an early season overachiever?
Him and Manningham are 2 guys i cannot get a good read on and they may just past me by as
im think they surely cannot be this real? Gonna need some good insight on these 2 guys.
Are they a product of Hixon/Nicks being out and that fact that Eli only throws to them only it seems.
Sure has posted some SOLID #'s. Is a a great wr2 or is he an early season overachiever?
Him and Manningham are 2 guys i cannot get a good read on and they may just past me by as
im think they surely cannot be this real? Gonna need some good insight on these 2 guys.
Are they a product of Hixon/Nicks being out and that fact that Eli only throws to them only it seems.
I'm very leery of Steve Smith and Mario Manningham at the moment. I think they're both better than I thought they were at the beginning of the year, but I have a hard time moving either guy into my top 30. For one thing, Eli Manning is a 5-year vet (which means by this point he is what we think he is), and in his five year career he's only topped 3350 passing yards ONCE (and that was "only" 3762 yards, a total that has been beaten a whopping 36 times in the past 5 years). He's *NEVER* thrown more than 24 TDs. For each of the past three years, Manning has been good for between 3238 and 3336 yards passing and between 21 and 24 TDs. He's actually been rather remarkable in his consistency, to be honest. The Giants passing offense simply hasn't been a potent passing attack, and I don't think Eli's going to suddenly turn into Peyton on us.
Now, despite the pedestrian passing totals, Plaxico Burress still managed to be a consistent low-end WR1 with Eli (WR11, WR12, and WR10 in his three full seasons as a Giant). This, however, brings me to the second reason why I'm relatively lukewarm towards Steve Smith: the Giants have a lot more mouths to feed now than they did a year or two ago. Is Steve Smith the #1 WR in that offense? Is Mario Manningham? Is Hakeem Nicks? Is Dominik Hixon a forgotten man or is he going to factor into things again?
I've moved Smith and Manningham up into the WR30-40 range, but I'm having a hard time moving either higher than that given all the questions I still have unanswered with respect to the Giants passing game.
Now, despite the pedestrian passing totals, Plaxico Burress still managed to be a consistent low-end WR1 with Eli (WR11, WR12, and WR10 in his three full seasons as a Giant). This, however, brings me to the second reason why I'm relatively lukewarm towards Steve Smith: the Giants have a lot more mouths to feed now than they did a year or two ago. Is Steve Smith the #1 WR in that offense? Is Mario Manningham? Is Hakeem Nicks? Is Dominik Hixon a forgotten man or is he going to factor into things again?
I've moved Smith and Manningham up into the WR30-40 range, but I'm having a hard time moving either higher than that given all the questions I still have unanswered with respect to the Giants passing game.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Roster albatross.
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