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Dynasty Rookie Defensive Rankings (1 Viewer)

Benchwarmers

Footballguy
Defensive Dynasty Rookie Players RankingsDL1. Ware Dallas(Could be ranked #1 as Lber as well)2. Pollack Cincy3. James Minn4. Spears Dallas5. Roth Miami6. Cody Detroit7. Tuck Giants8. Castillo SD9. Cody BaltLBWare would be #1 if hes going to be a Lber for sure1. Crowder Miami2. Rudd TB3. Johnson KC4. Thurman Cincy5. Merriman SD6. Tatupu Seattle7. Burnett Dallas8. Morrison Oakland9. Blackstock Arizona10. Mitchell Arizona11. McCoy Philly12. Fincher13. Wallace PittsDB1. Davis Car.(I feel he will start at SS not Lber, Stud either way)2. Rodgers Wash3. Jones Titans4. Rolle Arizona5. Pool Cleveland6. Jackson Indy7. Bullock NO8. Washinton Oak9. Considine Philly10. Atogue RamsYou might not agree but I have not seen a decent list on this forum. I will do some write-ups later. Please Post Your Rankings

 

Bloom

Moderator
TOP 20 IDP (first version)

1 Thomas Davis, SS/LB, CAR - at safety or LB, he'll be a tremendous playmaker behind the carolina front 4.

panthers have plans for davis

2 Barrett Ruud, MLB, TB - a true MLB, he should be a stalwart starter in tampa beginning in 06.

Ruud ready to claim spot

3 Odell Thurman, MLB, CIN - only landon johnson is in his way at MLB - a little small for a 4-3 MLB, but has the fire to make up for it. some character risk.

profile of thurman

4 Derrick Johnson, OLB, KC - could be the most productive player in the draft, could be a bust - KC LB corps is a mess and DJ could get mired at SLB

5 Channing Crowder, ILB, MIA - his speed and fragility will remind a lot of kendrell bell. draft accordingly.

saban likes crowder

6 Lofa Tatupu, MLB, SEA - eerily reminiscent of dat nguyen - small but lots of heart... bust risk as he may not overcome his shortcomings.

Rookie fitting in nicely in middle

7 Brodney Pool, FS, CLE - this is best youll get at safety since there are no stud SS in this draft. long term, pool should be the QB of the romeo crennel defense and make plays all over the place.

8 Kevin Burnett, LB, DAL - has the skills to be a top 3 IDP from this draft, but if he ends up at 3-4 OLB, his numbers will suffer.

parcells lauds burnett

9 Demarcus Ware, LB, DAL - same as burnett, except we know he's an 3-4 OLB

10 Shawne Merriman, LB, SD - see Ware

Merriman wants to be in camp, but cant

11 David Pollack, SLB, CIN - like Ware and Merriman, a tremendous player stuck in a bad fantasy position

Pollack begins LB training

12 Alfred Fincher, LB, NO - Fincher could easily be as high as #5 or #6 in a few months. he could easily replace courtney watson as the MLB of the future for the saints.

Fincher hoping to break through

13 Kirk Morrison, ILB, OAK - the signing of foreman makes his prospects for this year a little less exciting, but should settle into an ILB spot long term. like fincher, could zoom up this list with a good camp.

14 Robert McCune, MLB, WAS - this guy has jeremiah trotter written all over him.

15 Lance Mitchell, MLB, ARI - dont be too surprised if mitchell is the most productive LB out of this draft - getting over the ACL tear from 03 is the only question.

16 Donte Nicholson, SS, TB - the best SS in the draft - and jermaine phillips is anything but entrenched. a perfect late round rookie pick if you are at a loss.

17 OJ Atogwe, FS, STL - the only guy who can cover among the St louis safeties, should be starting real soon.

18 Leroy Hill, OLB, SEA - very productive LB, but small - could get mired at SLB behind sharper, could be a jackpot late pick if he can win the WLB job. watch his camp closely.

19 Marlin Jackson, CB/FS, IND - i see him as a FS long term as indy lacks a true FS - either way, he'll pile up tackles with his physical style in the cover 2.

20 Antrel Rolle, CB, ARI - will put up big tackle numbers as a CB because of his style, should be picked higher in start 2 CB leagues.

Left off:

Daryl Blackstock, LB, ARI - love the talent, but he's blocked by dansby and only projects to be an SLB

Dan Cody, DE/OLB, BAL Stuck in DE/OLB in baltimore's scheme, not good for fantasy

Erasmus James, DE, MIN - Im just not sold on this guys game beyond the pure pass rush.

Justin Tuck, DE, NYG - probably #21, as he has the best in the biz (strahan) to learn from. bump him up in start 2 DE leagues.

Matt Roth, DE/OLB, MIA - see cody

Josh BUllocks, FS, NO - ballhawk who wont put up big tackle #s

Nick Collins, S/CB, GB - project, and GBs secondary is a mess

Sean Considine, FS, PHI - *sleeper alert* could easily make the top 20 by august - i like his chances of sticking on philly's D as the top backup safety.

 

redman

Footballguy
:blackdot: Good thread.I think you have Marlin Jackson rated a bit low. As a rookie CB in a Cover-2 system, he should put up some numbers, particularly when his team figures to be involved in some shootouts.
 
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Men-in-Cleats

Footballguy
DT:CodyPattersonBabineauxDE:JamesRothCodyTuckSpearsLB:ThurmanRuudCrowderPollackGets ugly and indecisive from here with Merriman, Ware, Fincher, Morrison, Tatupu, Burnett all jockeying for position.Safety:DavisPoolAtogweStill shuffling the rest of my DB's.

 

Tick

Footballguy
8 Kevin Burnett, LB, DAL - has the skills to be a top 3 IDP from this draft, but if he ends up at 3-4 OLB, his numbers will suffer.

9 Demarcus Ware, LB, DAL - same as burnett, except we know he's an 3-4 OLB

10 Shawne Merriman, LB, SD - see Ware

11 David Pollack, SLB, CIN - like Ware and Merriman, a tremendous player stuck in a bad fantasy position

Left off:

Dan Cody, DE/OLB, BAL Stuck in DE/OLB in baltimore's scheme, not good for fantasy

Matt Roth, DE/OLB, MIA - see cody
Bloom, would you give a few more details on why four of these guys are ranked so highly while the other two are left off the list?
 

Bloom

Moderator
8 Kevin Burnett, LB, DAL - has the skills to be a top 3 IDP from this draft, but if he ends up at 3-4 OLB, his numbers will suffer.

9 Demarcus Ware, LB, DAL - same as burnett, except we know he's an 3-4 OLB

10 Shawne Merriman, LB, SD - see Ware

11 David Pollack, SLB, CIN - like Ware and Merriman, a tremendous player stuck in a bad fantasy position

Left off:

Dan Cody, DE/OLB, BAL Stuck in DE/OLB in baltimore's scheme, not good for fantasy

Matt Roth, DE/OLB, MIA - see cody
Bloom, would you give a few more details on why four of these guys are ranked so highly while the other two are left off the list?
Ware, Merriman, Pollack are ranked highly because of talent and the fact they should be uncontested everydown players from day one. Burnett because he actually has the skills of a solid IDP LB, even if he may end up in a bad position (3-4 OLB) - Roth and Cody will not start from day one, and cody will have to fight with suggs and adalius thomas for playing time for a while. I dont think its a stretch to say that down the line, roth and cody will have similar roles on their team as pollack, ware, and merriman, however the first 3 have the talent to actually be viable at the dreaded SLB/3-4 OLB spots...
 

Tick

Footballguy
Ware, Merriman, Pollack are ranked highly because of talent and the fact they should be uncontested everydown players from day one. Burnett because he actually has the skills of a solid IDP LB, even if he may end up in a bad position (3-4 OLB) - Roth and Cody will not start from day one, and cody will have to fight with suggs and adalius thomas for playing time for a while. I dont think its a stretch to say that down the line, roth and cody will have similar roles on their team as pollack, ware, and merriman, however the first 3 have the talent to actually be viable at the dreaded SLB/3-4 OLB spots...
Thanks. That makes sense, though I think that Cody at the least will end up as a DE. He might play OLB for awhile just to get him some PT, but I think in two seasons he'll be starting at DE. I guess we'll see...
 

Weiner Dog

Footballguy
DL:1. Erasmus James2. Marcus Spears3. Luis Castillo (assuming he plays DE in the Chargers' 3-4)4. Matt Roth (assuming he stays at DE in the Dolphins' hybrid 4-3 / 3-4)5. Justin TuckLB:1. Derrick Johnson2. Barrett Rudd3. Channing Crowder4. Kevin Burnett5. Odell Thurman6. Lofa TatupuDB:1. Thomas Davis2. Marlin Jackson3. Brodney Pool4. Josh Bullocks5. Oshiomogho AtogweMerriman (SD), Ware (DAL), Pollack (CIN) and D Cody (BALT) did not make my list...yet. It sounds as these tweeners will be OLB's at the next level. Please keep in mind...if any of these guys sniff the DE position for their respective teams, they would easily skip over Castillo, Roth, and Tuck on my list.Ware is slowly creeping onto my Santa wish-list. If he mans the weak-side OLB spot in the Cowboys' 3-4 and plays DE on passing downs, he could leap-frog practically all the LB's on my list...especially if your league awards well for sacks.D Cody could slowly push Anthony Weaver from DE to DT as he adds size/strength. Just don't get your hopes up...it was difficult for Cody to keep meat on his bones in college. Maybe the Ravens' Strength & Conditioning program can change this. If not, he'll forever be a pass-rushing OLB for the Ravens. The same could hold true for Matt Roth, but the Fins will need someone to play DE once J Taylor is cut/traded next year and V Holliday proves worthless once again.

 

Men-in-Cleats

Footballguy
DL:

1. Erasmus James

2. Marcus Spears

3. Luis Castillo (assuming he plays DE in the Chargers' 3-4)

4. Matt Roth (assuming he stays at DE in the Dolphins' hybrid 4-3 / 3-4)

5. Justin Tuck

LB:

1. Derrick Johnson

2. Barrett Rudd

3. Channing Crowder

4. Kevin Burnett

5. Odell Thurman

6. Lofa Tatupu

DB:

1. Thomas Davis

2. Marlin Jackson

3. Brodney Pool

4. Josh Bullocks

5. Oshiomogho Atogwe

Merriman (SD), Ware (DAL), Pollack (CIN) and D Cody (BALT) did not make my list...yet. It sounds as these tweeners will be OLB's at the next level. Please keep in mind...if any of these guys sniff the DE position for their respective teams, they would easily skip over Castillo, Roth, and Tuck on my list.

Ware is slowly creeping onto my Santa wish-list. If he mans the weak-side OLB spot in the Cowboys' 3-4 and plays DE on passing downs, he could leap-frog practically all the LB's on my list...especially if your league awards well for sacks.

D Cody could slowly push Anthony Weaver from DE to DT as he adds size/strength. Just don't get your hopes up...it was difficult for Cody to keep meat on his bones in college. Maybe the Ravens' Strength & Conditioning program can change this. If not, he'll forever be a pass-rushing OLB for the Ravens. The same could hold true for Matt Roth, but the Fins will need someone to play DE once J Taylor is cut/traded next year and V Holliday proves worthless once again.
Everything I've seen on Castillo has him projected to be a NT, not a DE in their 3-4. I'd have to double check it but I believe the Charger's website has him listed as a NT. I'd move Tuck up to #2 on your lineman list as he's a 4-3 end on a team that won't face any double teams with a guy like Strahan on the other end.
 

Weiner Dog

Footballguy
DL:

1. Erasmus James

2. Marcus Spears

3. Luis Castillo (assuming he plays DE in the Chargers' 3-4)

4. Matt Roth (assuming he stays at DE in the Dolphins' hybrid 4-3 / 3-4)

5. Justin Tuck

LB:

1. Derrick Johnson

2. Barrett Rudd

3. Channing Crowder

4. Kevin Burnett

5. Odell Thurman

6. Lofa Tatupu

DB:

1. Thomas Davis

2. Marlin Jackson

3. Brodney Pool

4. Josh Bullocks

5. Oshiomogho Atogwe

Merriman (SD), Ware (DAL), Pollack (CIN) and D Cody (BALT) did not make my list...yet.  It sounds as these tweeners will be OLB's at the next level.  Please keep in mind...if any of these guys sniff the DE position for their respective teams, they would easily skip over Castillo, Roth, and Tuck on my list.

Ware is slowly creeping onto my Santa wish-list.  If he mans the weak-side OLB spot in the Cowboys' 3-4 and plays DE on passing downs, he could leap-frog practically all the LB's on my list...especially if your league awards well for sacks.

D Cody could slowly push Anthony Weaver from DE to DT as he adds size/strength.  Just don't get your hopes up...it was difficult for Cody to keep meat on his bones in college.  Maybe the Ravens' Strength & Conditioning program can change this.  If not, he'll forever be a pass-rushing OLB for the Ravens.  The same could hold true for Matt Roth, but the Fins will need someone to play DE once J Taylor is cut/traded next year and V Holliday proves worthless once again.
Everything I've seen on Castillo has him projected to be a NT, not a DE in their 3-4. I'd have to double check it but I believe the Charger's website has him listed as a NT. I'd move Tuck up to #2 on your lineman list as he's a 4-3 end on a team that won't face any double teams with a guy like Strahan on the other end.
In an effort to find Casillo's "true calling", Marty has been moving him all over the D-line in camp thus far. At this point...anything is possible. I will say this, though. Castillo offers the best speed/strength (4.8/40 & 32 reps) combo of any DT in this year's draft...this shows he has the ability to play DE in the Chargers' 3-4. Castillo's size (305lbs) will probably prevent him from playing NT...at least the first few years of his career.Here's a good article detailing his measurables...

link:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3605392

I have a difficult/impossible time moving Tuck to #2. With Strahan on one side, Tuck will have to beat-out Osi for a starting job. It ain't gonna happen in '05. Tuck will be a force when Strahan retires in a year or two.

 

redman

Footballguy
I have a difficult/impossible time moving Tuck to #2. With Strahan on one side, Tuck will have to beat-out Osi for a starting job. It ain't gonna happen in '05. Tuck will be a force when Strahan retires in a year or two.
:thumbup: I just drafted him with this exact reasoning in mind.
 

Bloom

Moderator
I have a difficult/impossible time moving Tuck to #2.  With Strahan on one side, Tuck will have to beat-out Osi for a starting job.  It ain't gonna happen in '05.  Tuck will be a force when Strahan retires in a year or two.
:thumbup: I just drafted him with this exact reasoning in mind.
the beautiful thing is that tuck will get to learn from strahan while he's waiting patiently for him to retire - i definitely see good things in his future.
 

Tick

Footballguy
Reposting from another thread....LB1. Ruud2. Crowder3. Thurman4. Tatupu5. Mitchell6. BeckDL1. James2. Tuck3. Cody4. RothAdding on DBs:1. Davis2. Pool3. JacksonI haven't really looked much deeper, but my rookie drafts are past and I didn't reach the bottom of my lists in either, so it's deep enough for my needs.

 

Weiner Dog

Footballguy
D Cody could slowly push Anthony Weaver from DE to DT as he adds size/strength. Just don't get your hopes up...it was difficult for Cody to keep meat on his bones in college. Maybe the Ravens' Strength & Conditioning program can change this. If not, he'll forever be a pass-rushing OLB for the Ravens.
Ravens | Cody Progressing at LB - from www.KFFL.comMon, 23 May 2005 12:37:38 -0700

Steve DeClue, of the Baltimore Sun, reports Baltimore Ravens rookie LB Dan Cody has shown progress while making the position change from defensive end to linebacker. Cody intercepted a pass and had a pass deflection during final drills at the team's passing camp Monday, May 23.

 

Tick

Footballguy
LB

1. Ruud

2. Crowder

3. Thurman

4. Tatupu

5. Mitchell

6. Beck
No Derrick Johnson?? :shock: Accidental ommission or just don't like the guy??
Don't really like him.I put a lot of stock (probably too much) in which position a player will be in, so SLBs and 3-4 guys don't end up on my lists.

 

John Norton

Moderator
TOP 20 IDP (first version)

1 Thomas Davis, SS/LB, CAR - at safety or LB, he'll be a tremendous playmaker behind the carolina front 4.

panthers have plans for davis

2 Barrett Ruud, MLB, TB - a true MLB, he should be a stalwart starter in tampa beginning in 06.

Ruud ready to claim spot

3 Odell Thurman, MLB, CIN - only landon johnson is in his way at MLB - a little small for a 4-3 MLB, but has the fire to make up for it. some character risk.

profile of thurman

4 Derrick Johnson, OLB, KC - could be the most productive player in the draft, could be a bust - KC LB corps is a mess and DJ could get mired at SLB

5 Channing Crowder, ILB, MIA - his speed and fragility will remind a lot of kendrell bell. draft accordingly.

saban likes crowder

6 Lofa Tatupu, MLB, SEA - eerily reminiscent of dat nguyen - small but lots of heart... bust risk as he may not overcome his shortcomings.

Rookie fitting in nicely in middle

7 Brodney Pool, FS, CLE - this is best youll get at safety since there are no stud SS in this draft. long term, pool should be the QB of the romeo crennel defense and make plays all over the place.

8 Kevin Burnett, LB, DAL - has the skills to be a top 3 IDP from this draft, but if he ends up at 3-4 OLB, his numbers will suffer.

parcells lauds burnett

9 Demarcus Ware, LB, DAL - same as burnett, except we know he's an 3-4 OLB

10 Shawne Merriman, LB, SD - see Ware

Merriman wants to be in camp, but cant

11 David Pollack, SLB, CIN - like Ware and Merriman, a tremendous player stuck in a bad fantasy position

Pollack begins LB training

12 Alfred Fincher, LB, NO - Fincher could easily be as high as #5 or #6 in a few months. he could easily replace courtney watson as the MLB of the future for the saints.

Fincher hoping to break through

13 Kirk Morrison, ILB, OAK - the signing of foreman makes his prospects for this year a little less exciting, but should settle into an ILB spot long term. like fincher, could zoom up this list with a good camp.

14 Robert McCune, MLB, WAS - this guy has jeremiah trotter written all over him.

15 Lance Mitchell, MLB, ARI - dont be too surprised if mitchell is the most productive LB out of this draft - getting over the ACL tear from 03 is the only question.

16 Donte Nicholson, SS, TB - the best SS in the draft - and jermaine phillips is anything but entrenched. a perfect late round rookie pick if you are at a loss.

17 OJ Atogwe, FS, STL - the only guy who can cover among the St louis safeties, should be starting real soon.

18 Leroy Hill, OLB, SEA - very productive LB, but small - could get mired at SLB behind sharper, could be a jackpot late pick if he can win the WLB job. watch his camp closely.

19 Marlin Jackson, CB/FS, IND - i see him as a FS long term as indy lacks a true FS - either way, he'll pile up tackles with his physical style in the cover 2.

20 Antrel Rolle, CB, ARI - will put up big tackle numbers as a CB because of his style, should be picked higher in start 2 CB leagues.

Left off:

Daryl Blackstock, LB, ARI - love the talent, but he's blocked by dansby and only projects to be an SLB

Dan Cody, DE/OLB, BAL Stuck in DE/OLB in baltimore's scheme, not good for fantasy

Erasmus James, DE, MIN - Im just not sold on this guys game beyond the pure pass rush.

Justin Tuck, DE, NYG - probably #21, as he has the best in the biz (strahan) to learn from. bump him up in start 2 DE leagues.

Matt Roth, DE/OLB, MIA - see cody

Josh BUllocks, FS, NO - ballhawk who wont put up big tackle #s

Nick Collins, S/CB, GB - project, and GBs secondary is a mess

Sean Considine, FS, PHI - *sleeper alert* could easily make the top 20 by august - i like his chances of sticking on philly's D as the top backup safety.
Lance Mitchell is the best sleeper LB out of this draft. He was a first round talent before injuring his knee and is now two years removed, not to mention he is in a gold mine situation.Don't underestimate Pollack. Granted the SLB position is rough on tackle numbers but the position under Marvin Lewis is not the norm. When Lewis was in Washington, LaVar Arrington went 67-25-11 from SLB and was a top 10 LB in most scoring systems. Pollack has many of the same qualities.

 

redman

Footballguy
DL:

1. Erasmus James

2. Marcus Spears

3. Luis Castillo (assuming he plays DE in the Chargers' 3-4)

4. Matt Roth (assuming he stays at DE in the Dolphins' hybrid 4-3 / 3-4)

5. Justin Tuck

LB:

1. Derrick Johnson

2. Barrett Rudd

3. Channing Crowder

4. Kevin Burnett

5. Odell Thurman

6. Lofa Tatupu

DB:

1. Thomas Davis

2. Marlin Jackson

3. Brodney Pool

4. Josh Bullocks

5. Oshiomogho Atogwe

Merriman (SD), Ware (DAL), Pollack (CIN) and D Cody (BALT) did not make my list...yet.  It sounds as these tweeners will be OLB's at the next level.  Please keep in mind...if any of these guys sniff the DE position for their respective teams, they would easily skip over Castillo, Roth, and Tuck on my list.

Ware is slowly creeping onto my Santa wish-list.  If he mans the weak-side OLB spot in the Cowboys' 3-4 and plays DE on passing downs, he could leap-frog practically all the LB's on my list...especially if your league awards well for sacks.

D Cody could slowly push Anthony Weaver from DE to DT as he adds size/strength.  Just don't get your hopes up...it was difficult for Cody to keep meat on his bones in college.  Maybe the Ravens' Strength & Conditioning program can change this.  If not, he'll forever be a pass-rushing OLB for the Ravens.  The same could hold true for Matt Roth, but the Fins will need someone to play DE once J Taylor is cut/traded next year and V Holliday proves worthless once again.
Everything I've seen on Castillo has him projected to be a NT, not a DE in their 3-4. I'd have to double check it but I believe the Charger's website has him listed as a NT. I'd move Tuck up to #2 on your lineman list as he's a 4-3 end on a team that won't face any double teams with a guy like Strahan on the other end.
The system that Castillo finds himself in is very unfortunate. From what I've read about him, he'd be an ideal UT in a 4-3 and would rack up some numbers. As a NT, he's very limited in his ability to make plays. I wonder if they'll put another down lineman in there from time to time and go to a hybrid 4-3/3-4 defense like so many other teams have done. Merriman's acquisition could certainly imply they're thinking along those lines.
 

msommer

Footballguy
Doesn't is make sense to have a hybrid defense (provided you have the personnel for it) - the more different looks you can give opposing OCs the better

 

Weiner Dog

Footballguy
If Jamal Williams inks a long-term deal with the Chargers, this should give Castillo a nice bump. Tipping the scales at nearly 350lbs, Williams would all but lock-up the NT spot in the Chargers' 3-4. This would solidify Castillo as a starting DE.

link:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20...26chargers.html
Jamal Williams just inked a 5-year extension worth $27.5mm. Without a doubt, Castillo will be a DE for the next 4+ years.link:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2069086

 

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