[DYNASTY] Rookie Draft Discussion (1 Viewer)

[EBF]

Here's how I see things unfolding. These aren't my personal rankings. This is just a projection of how the picks will come off in most leagues. I'll keep updating as the picks come in.

1. RB Knowshon Moreno, Broncos

Even with the rise of WRs in PPR, Moreno will still be hard to pass on at the 1.01 spot. He should step in and be Denver's bell cow from day one. If he pans out, he could put up top 10 numbers immediately.

2. WR Michael Crabtree, 49ers

This is a good spot for Crabtree. There's no franchise QB on the roster, but there's also very little competition for targets. I like his chances to develop into a reliable #1 target for the Niners.

3. RB Chris Wells, Cardinals

Wells landed on a good offense where he could conceivably be the starter immediately. Edgerrin James is expendable and Tim Hightower isn't the long term answer. Beanie will get a chance to prove himself here.

4. RB Donald Brown, Colts

Great landing spot for Brown. He'll go between picks 1-4 in most leagues. On the plus side, he was the second back drafted and he landed with a great supporting cast that will give him a good chance to succeed. On the down side, he'll have to compete with Joseph Addai for touches. If you believe in his talent, you have to like this situation.

5. RB LeSean McCoy, Eagles

Is he the next Westbrook or the next Moats? It doesn't matter. He'll be a top 5-6 pick in every league after landing in the perfect situation for his skill set.

6. WR Jeremy Maclin, Eagles

Maclin was widely considered one of the top 2-3 receivers in the draft. He should be given every opportunity to thrive in Philadelphia, where he'll probably replace Reggie Brown in the starting lineup. Having McNabb lobbing bombs to him should help.

7. WR Hakeem Nicks, Giants

This is a great fit for Nicks. Steve Smith is a quality player, but he's more of a complementary type. Nicks can step in and start immediately. If he pans out, he could be putting up 1000+ yard seasons sooner rather than later.

8. WR Percy Harvin, Vikings

Harvin is a dynamic talent who should add another big play dimension to Minnesota's offense. He probably won't start right away, but he can help as a versatile threat on offense and in the return game. If he fulfills his potential then he could be the WR1 here within a couple seasons.

9. WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, Raiders

What do you after you draft a bust QB and a bust RB? Add a bust WR. DHB will be given every opportunity to seize the WR1 job in Oakland, but this organization is a disaster and you have to wonder whether Heyward-Bey will be yet another Al Davis workout warrior flop.

10. WR Kenny Britt, Titans

Good spot for Britt. He looks like a bigger bust risk than Maclin/Harvin/Nicks, but he's now the best WR on Tennessee's roster. He has a chance to come in and produce right away.

11. QB Matt Stafford, Lions

I don't have the answer to the Stafford/Sanchez debate, but I'm giving the edge to Stafford because he has two things Sanchez doesn't: experience and an elite WR. Throw it up to Calvin and let him take care of the rest.

12. QB Mark Sanchez, Jets

The Jets paid a huge price to get Sanchez, so you'd better believe they're going to give him every opportunity to become their franchise passer. I don't know if he's up to the task, but he represents a fair gamble once the top RB/WR prospects are gone.

13. WR Brian Robiskie, Browns

There's an immediate starting job available opposite Braylon Edwards. Robiskie could thrive in that role.

14. QB Josh Freeman, Buccaneers

Freeman is another first round QB who will eventually get a chance to be his team's franchise signal caller.

15. TE Brandon Pettigrew, Lions

He might be the second best receiver on Detroit's roster, but TEs aren't coveted in most FF drafts and he doesn't have obvious superstar talent.

16. WR Mohamed Massaquoi, Browns

I believe Massaquoi is a better athlete than Robiskie with a higher ceiling, but he'll probably start out behind him on the depth chart and he'll definitely fall farther in FF drafts.

17. QB Pat White, Dolphins

The Fins just used a 2nd on Chad Henne last year, so there's no guarantee that White will be more than a gadget player here.

 

[Mighty Mice]

 

[Brutis]

The first 3 spots I can see being between Moreno, Wells and Crabtree. It just depends on preference. The 4th pick could go a number of ways. I still go with talent and thats Maclin so with him being drafted in a great situation he is the clear 1.4 guy for me. D Brown I like and the Colts have a great track record with first round picks. I just cant see spending a top 4 pick on a guy that was clearly drafted to be part of a RBBC.

 

[jurb26]

7. WR Percy Harvin, Vikings

Harvin is a dynamic talent who should add another big play dimension to Minnesota's offense. He probably won't start right away, but he can help as a versatile threat on offense and in the return game. If he fulfills his potential then he could be the WR1 here within a couple seasons.

8. WR Darrius Heyward-Bey, Raiders

What do you after you draft a bust QB and a bust RB? Add a bust WR. DHB will be given every opportunity to seize the WR1 job in Oakland, but this organization is a disaster and you have to wonder whether Heyward-Bey will be yet another Al Davis workout warrior flop.

This part amuses me. Harvin isn't going to be a bust this time next year if he doesn't start or contribute much but Russel and McFadden are already?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Edgerrin James is expendable

ESPN was reporting during the draft that Zona was expected to release Edge either Monday or Tuesday of this week. Not sure how reliable that is.

 

[jurb26]

The first 3 spots I can see being between Moreno, Wells and Crabtree. It just depends on preference. The 4th pick could go a number of ways. I still go with talent and thats Maclin so with him being drafted in a great situation he is the clear 1.4 guy for me. D Brown I like and the Colts have a great track record with first round picks. I just cant see spending a top 4 pick on a guy that was clearly drafted to be part of a RBBC.

I think all 3 RBs vaulted over Crabtree due to their locations.

 

[Brutis]

Edgerrin James is expendable

ESPN was reporting during the draft that Zona was expected to release Edge either Monday or Tuesday of this week. Not sure how reliable that is.

I bet its pretty reliable after getting Beanie

 

[KellysHeroes]

a lot RBs to still be drafted

 

[EBF]

This part amuses me. Harvin isn't going to be a bust this time next year if he doesn't start or contribute much but Russel and McFadden are already?

Raiders are terrible. They always pass on football players for specimens and that's why they're one of the bottom franchises in the league.

 

[EBF]

The first 3 spots I can see being between Moreno, Wells and Crabtree. It just depends on preference. The 4th pick could go a number of ways. I still go with talent and thats Maclin so with him being drafted in a great situation he is the clear 1.4 guy for me. D Brown I like and the Colts have a great track record with first round picks. I just cant see spending a top 4 pick on a guy that was clearly drafted to be part of a RBBC.

I think we have a pretty solid top 4 right now:WellsMorenoBrownCrabtreeThe order in which they come off the board will vary wildly depending on owner preference from league to league.

 

[Brutis]

The first 3 spots I can see being between Moreno, Wells and Crabtree. It just depends on preference. The 4th pick could go a number of ways. I still go with talent and thats Maclin so with him being drafted in a great situation he is the clear 1.4 guy for me. D Brown I like and the Colts have a great track record with first round picks. I just cant see spending a top 4 pick on a guy that was clearly drafted to be part of a RBBC.

I think all 3 RBs vaulted over Crabtree due to their locations.

If I'm picking at 1.4 or 1.5 I would love to see Brown go in the top 3

 

[Biabreakable]

It is kind of funny how things go full circle and the Broncos use a 1st round pick on Moreno as the 1st issue to address after the Skeletor era.

I am not sure that Moreno is a slam dunk pick over Wells in Arizona. I trust the Cardinals staff much more than the Broncos right now who's only significant history is trading away a francise QB.

Wells is certainly a more risky player than Moreno and a later pick. But the Cardinals situation for success, The Oline, QB and coaching staff are slightly better than what the Broncos have right now. I am undecided on the Broncos offensive line but I trust Grimm a lot more than.. well whoever is the Broncos line coach.

 

[jurb26]

The first 3 spots I can see being between Moreno, Wells and Crabtree. It just depends on preference. The 4th pick could go a number of ways. I still go with talent and thats Maclin so with him being drafted in a great situation he is the clear 1.4 guy for me. D Brown I like and the Colts have a great track record with first round picks. I just cant see spending a top 4 pick on a guy that was clearly drafted to be part of a RBBC.

I think all 3 RBs vaulted over Crabtree due to their locations.

If I'm picking at 1.4 or 1.5 I would love to see Brown go in the top 3

If I'm drafting there I'd love to see Crabtree go there.

 

[EBF]

Updated. McCoy to Philly definitely shakes things up a bit.

 

[Frank Costanza's Lawyer]

Are these PPR or non-PPR?

 

[EBF]

Are these PPR or non-PPR?

PPR. I think Crabtree will fall down to the 4-5 spot in most non-PPR leagues.

 

[Tau837]

It is kind of funny how things go full circle and the Broncos use a 1st round pick on Moreno as the 1st issue to address after the Skeletor era.I am not sure that Moreno is a slam dunk pick over Wells in Arizona. I trust the Cardinals staff much more than the Broncos right now who's only significant history is trading away a francise QB.Wells is certainly a more risky player than Moreno and a later pick. But the Cardinals situation for success, The Oline, QB and coaching staff are slightly better than what the Broncos have right now. I am undecided on the Broncos offensive line but I trust Grimm a lot more than.. well whoever is the Broncos line coach.

I don't disagree with your main point here, but I do disagree that the Cards have a better OL than Denver. Football Outsiders ranked Denver's OL #1 last year for both running and passing.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

how far does DHB slide in rookie drafts? When does he become a value play?

 

[Biabreakable]

It is kind of funny how things go full circle and the Broncos use a 1st round pick on Moreno as the 1st issue to address after the Skeletor era.I am not sure that Moreno is a slam dunk pick over Wells in Arizona. I trust the Cardinals staff much more than the Broncos right now who's only significant history is trading away a francise QB.Wells is certainly a more risky player than Moreno and a later pick. But the Cardinals situation for success, The Oline, QB and coaching staff are slightly better than what the Broncos have right now. I am undecided on the Broncos offensive line but I trust Grimm a lot more than.. well whoever is the Broncos line coach.

I don't disagree with your main point here, but I do disagree that the Cards have a better OL than Denver. Football Outsiders ranked Denver's OL #1 last year for both running and passing.

That is interesting. What criteria do they use to grade the lines?

 

[doubletrouble]

I have to agree, Cutler was barely sacked last year....

 

[JaYz0618]

a lot RBs to still be drafted

I agree, and think that a few rbs could still land a nice situation and be ready to contributre right away.Tommorow will be more interesting then today imo...Right now I see it like this.1. Moreno2. Crabs3. Wells4. Brown5. Nicks6. Mccoy7. Maclin8.Harvin (a little weed wont scare me away, the kid can play)9. Britt10. DHBJust how I see it

 

[Avery]

A lot of good, pass-catching TEs still out there to keep an eye on for those of us that play in TE required leagues.

 

[JaYz0618]

A lot of good, pass-catching TEs still out there to keep an eye on for those of us that play in TE required leagues.

Cant wait to see where jared cook lands, could be on to big things.

 

[Tau837]

It is kind of funny how things go full circle and the Broncos use a 1st round pick on Moreno as the 1st issue to address after the Skeletor era.

I am not sure that Moreno is a slam dunk pick over Wells in Arizona. I trust the Cardinals staff much more than the Broncos right now who's only significant history is trading away a francise QB.

Wells is certainly a more risky player than Moreno and a later pick. But the Cardinals situation for success, The Oline, QB and coaching staff are slightly better than what the Broncos have right now. I am undecided on the Broncos offensive line but I trust Grimm a lot more than.. well whoever is the Broncos line coach.

I don't disagree with your main point here, but I do disagree that the Cards have a better OL than Denver. Football Outsiders ranked Denver's OL #1 last year for both running and passing.

That is interesting. What criteria do they use to grade the lines?

From Offensive Lines 2008:

Teams are ranked according to Adjusted Line Yards. Based on regression analysis, the Adjusted Line Yards formula takes all running back carries and assigns responsibility to the offensive line based on the following percentages:

Losses: 120% value

0-4 Yards: 100% value

5-10 Yards: 50% value

11+ Yards: 0% value

These numbers are then adjusted based on down, distance, situation, and opponent, and normalized so that the league average for Adjusted Line Yards per carry is the same as the league average for RB yards per carry (current baseline: 4.08). These stats are explained further here.

The following stats are not adjusted for opponent:

RB Yards: Yards per carry by that team's running backs, according to standard NFL numbers.

10+ Yards: Percentage of a team's rushing yards more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage. Represents yardage not reflected in Adjusted Line Yards stat.

Power Success: Percentage of runs on third or fourth down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a first down or touchdown. Also includes runs on first-and-goal or second-and-goal from the two-yard line or closer. This is the only statistic on this page that includes quarterbacks.

Stuffed: Percentage of runs that result in (on first down) zero or negative gain or (on second through fourth down) less than one-fourth the yards needed for another first down. Since being stuffed is bad, teams are ranked from stuffed least often (#1) to most often (#32).

NFL averages for each stat given in red.

Why are these rankings different from the team offense DVOA ratings for rushing? Among other reasons, they don't include quarterbacks or fumbles, long runs are truncated, and a different set of adjustments is used, attempting to isolate line play rather than total team offense.

A team with a high ranking in Adjusted Line Yards but a low ranking in 10+ Yards is heavily dependent on its offensive line to make the running game work. A team with a low ranking in Adjusted Line Yards but a high ranking in 10+ Yards is heavily dependent on its running back breaking long runs to make the running game work.

However, it is important to understand that these ratings only somewhat separate the offensive line from the running backs. A team with a very good running back will appear higher no matter how bad their line, and a team with a great line with appear lower if the running back is terrible.

Stats in blue represent pass blocking. Teams are ranked according to adjusted sack rate, which gives sacks per pass attempt adjusted for opponent, down, and distance. Pass blocking stats are explained further here. Our sack totals may differ slightly from official NFL totals depending on the league's retroactive statistical adjustments.

Consider the bolded statement and think about the RBs Denver used last year. Yet they finished first in Adjusted Line Yards.

 

[Norm Peterson]

 

[thatguy]

It is kind of funny how things go full circle and the Broncos use a 1st round pick on Moreno as the 1st issue to address after the Skeletor era.I am not sure that Moreno is a slam dunk pick over Wells in Arizona. I trust the Cardinals staff much more than the Broncos right now who's only significant history is trading away a francise QB.Wells is certainly a more risky player than Moreno and a later pick. But the Cardinals situation for success, The Oline, QB and coaching staff are slightly better than what the Broncos have right now. I am undecided on the Broncos offensive line but I trust Grimm a lot more than.. well whoever is the Broncos line coach.

I don't disagree with your main point here, but I do disagree that the Cards have a better OL than Denver. Football Outsiders ranked Denver's OL #1 last year for both running and passing.

His claim that Arizona has a better O line shows he knows absolutely nothing about Denver's O line, or Zona's for that matter. Denver's O line is arguably the best in the league regardless of what criteria you use to rank them, and for my money FO's method is as good they come.

 

[cstu]

Here's my early take (PPR):

The first 7 picks seem pretty easy:

1. Moreno - easy pick IMO since he'll be the focus of the offense from day 1.

2. Crabtree - I'm not a big fan of his, but he's got talent and will be the #1 WR right away for the 49ers.

3. Wells - not a running team, but he should be able to be very productive with no one stacking the box.

4. Nicks - I like his talent and he went to team where he should get to start as the #1 WR on week 1.

5. Brown - great situation long-term, but he's not going to take Addai's job outright this season.

6. Maclin - talented WR and is part of one of the best passing offenses in the NFL

7. McCoy - could be a couple years before he takes over from Westbrook, but he fits well with the Eagles and should put up big numbers in PPR.

These next picks are gut check calls and

8. Heyward-Bey - raw, inexperienced, and going to a bad Raiders team - what's not to like? Ranking him here is more of a critique of some of the next guys who have question marks themselves. Definite bust potential, but has huge upside and is an ideal target for Jamarcus Russell.

9. Greene - I love how hard this guy runs and he looks to be the heir apparent to Thomas Jones. The Jets look much improved with Sanchez and I expect Greene to do well in a season or two when he takes over.

10. Harvin - no doubt he's a huge talent but going to the Vikings who are a run-based team will limit his upside. Rosenfels is an upgrade at QB, but it's difficult to see how much of a fantasy impact he'll have. That said, I believe in drafting talent and Harvin definitely has plenty of that.

 

[az_prof]

It is kind of funny how things go full circle and the Broncos use a 1st round pick on Moreno as the 1st issue to address after the Skeletor era.I am not sure that Moreno is a slam dunk pick over Wells in Arizona. I trust the Cardinals staff much more than the Broncos right now who's only significant history is trading away a francise QB.Wells is certainly a more risky player than Moreno and a later pick. But the Cardinals situation for success, The Oline, QB and coaching staff are slightly better than what the Broncos have right now. I am undecided on the Broncos offensive line but I trust Grimm a lot more than.. well whoever is the Broncos line coach.

I don't disagree with your main point here, but I do disagree that the Cards have a better OL than Denver. Football Outsiders ranked Denver's OL #1 last year for both running and passing.

His claim that Arizona has a better O line shows he knows absolutely nothing about Denver's O line, or Zona's for that matter. Denver's O line is arguably the best in the league regardless of what criteria you use to rank them, and for my money FO's method is as good they come.

Denver USED to have one of the best OLs. I watched them last year and was not impressed. Times change.

 

[thatguy]

It is kind of funny how things go full circle and the Broncos use a 1st round pick on Moreno as the 1st issue to address after the Skeletor era.I am not sure that Moreno is a slam dunk pick over Wells in Arizona. I trust the Cardinals staff much more than the Broncos right now who's only significant history is trading away a francise QB.Wells is certainly a more risky player than Moreno and a later pick. But the Cardinals situation for success, The Oline, QB and coaching staff are slightly better than what the Broncos have right now. I am undecided on the Broncos offensive line but I trust Grimm a lot more than.. well whoever is the Broncos line coach.

I don't disagree with your main point here, but I do disagree that the Cards have a better OL than Denver. Football Outsiders ranked Denver's OL #1 last year for both running and passing.

His claim that Arizona has a better O line shows he knows absolutely nothing about Denver's O line, or Zona's for that matter. Denver's O line is arguably the best in the league regardless of what criteria you use to rank them, and for my money FO's method is as good they come.

Denver USED to have one of the best OLs. I watched them last year and was not impressed. Times change.

Then you didn't watch enough of them. Times do change. They used to have a great line, then it became middle of the pack. Last season, it was great again. Sorry, but you're wrong.

 

[EBF]

I let this slide since the top 5 thread seemed to have more momentum.

The big news today was Shonn Greene to the Jets and the huge run of WRs that happened in round 3. I think Greene is a top 5-10 pick in most leagues now, especially in non PPR. The WR run presents a huge glut of players to sort through. There's probably a couple gems hidden in that pile of junk.

 

[az_prof]

I let this slide since the top 5 thread seemed to have more momentum. The big news today was Shonn Greene to the Jets and the huge run of WRs that happened in round 3. I think Greene is a top 5-10 pick in most leagues now, especially in non PPR. The WR run presents a huge glut of players to sort through. There's probably a couple gems hidden in that pile of junk.

I agree on Greene. He isn't a guy I would want but if you are drafting in late first you have a chance to get a possible starting HB in Greene. I like your analogy of him to Rudi Johnson.

 

[loose circuits]

Sucks that Peerman, Goodson, A. Brown, and Ringer all end up in awful spots

 

[Kleck]

Sucks that Peerman, Goodson, A. Brown, and Ringer all end up in awful spots

Yeah, but us dynasty guys made out pretty well on day 1 and with Greene. It should drop these guys a bit for those who have deep rosters and can wait on RBs for a couple of years.

 

[EBF]

Sucks that Peerman, Goodson, A. Brown, and Ringer all end up in awful spots

I don't think NYG is a bad spot for A. Brown. Bradshaw is just a complementary guy and Jacobs is always hurt. There's plenty of opportunity for Brown to contribute.

 

[Kleck]

Sucks that Peerman, Goodson, A. Brown, and Ringer all end up in awful spots

I don't think NYG is a bad spot for A. Brown. Bradshaw is just a complementary guy and Jacobs is always hurt. There's plenty of opportunity for Brown to contribute.

True. I'll still use an early/mid 2nd on Brown. Opportunity is there, and one injury away from having great opportunity.

 

[Cripster]

Sucks that Peerman, Goodson, A. Brown, and Ringer all end up in awful spots

I don't think NYG is a bad spot for A. Brown. Bradshaw is just a complementary guy and Jacobs is always hurt. There's plenty of opportunity for Brown to contribute.

Maybe not all that bad in a dynasty setting. They may be valuable handcuffs. Concerning A. Brown & Peerman, they go to teams that will run alot and will use 2-3 RB's at all times. Willis will be gone after 2009. The Giants will stack the deck and probably will let someone go via free agency. Also, L. White is probably not a long-term option in Tenn. Goodson , though , is in a tough position absence injury. Don't know why Cleveland did not take a back.

 

[EBF]

Don't know why Cleveland did not take a back.

There you go. James Davis. Crazy to think how far he has fallen since his freshman year.

 

[az_prof]

Sucks that Peerman, Goodson, A. Brown, and Ringer all end up in awful spots

I don't think NYG is a bad spot for A. Brown. Bradshaw is just a complementary guy and Jacobs is always hurt. There's plenty of opportunity for Brown to contribute.

I don't see Bradshaw as a complementary back but I do see NYG wanting to have guys that they can pay lowball money to because they know Bradshaw's contract is up soon. Brown is more of a complementary back IMO and he doesn't have the speed or shiftiness of Bradshaw. This is a pick for next year more than this year.

 

[FUBAR]

It is kind of funny how things go full circle and the Broncos use a 1st round pick on Moreno as the 1st issue to address after the Skeletor era.I am not sure that Moreno is a slam dunk pick over Wells in Arizona. I trust the Cardinals staff much more than the Broncos right now who's only significant history is trading away a francise QB.Wells is certainly a more risky player than Moreno and a later pick. But the Cardinals situation for success, The Oline, QB and coaching staff are slightly better than what the Broncos have right now. I am undecided on the Broncos offensive line but I trust Grimm a lot more than.. well whoever is the Broncos line coach.

I don't disagree with your main point here, but I do disagree that the Cards have a better OL than Denver. Football Outsiders ranked Denver's OL #1 last year for both running and passing.

His claim that Arizona has a better O line shows he knows absolutely nothing about Denver's O line, or Zona's for that matter. Denver's O line is arguably the best in the league regardless of what criteria you use to rank them, and for my money FO's method is as good they come.

Denver USED to have one of the best OLs. I watched them last year and was not impressed. Times change.

Then you didn't watch enough of them. Times do change. They used to have a great line, then it became middle of the pack. Last season, it was great again. Sorry, but you're wrong.

seems to me it became a great pass protection line, but not as good a running line as before. But then, I only saw them a handful of times.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

EBF (and others)... how do you adjust your thoughts on a player you like a ton before the draft (like Dillard) who then falls dramatically in the draft (like Dillard)? Do you ding them in your rankings - or do you stand by your original analysis, say thank you very much and draft the same player much more cheaply than you would have been able to otherwise?

 

[Raiders]

Moreno, Knowshon RB 5'11" 217 Pick 12, Round 1 (12) Broncos
Wells, Chris RB 6'1" 235 Pick 31, Round 1 (31) Cardinals
Brown, Donald RB 5'10" 210 Pick 27, Round 1 (27) Colts
McCoy, LeSean RB 5'10" 198 Pick 21, Round 2 (53) Eagles
Crabtree, Michael WR 6'2" 215 Pick 10, Round 1 (10) 49ers
Maclin, Jeremy WR 6'0" 198 Pick 19, Round 1 (19) Eagles
Nicks, Hakeem WR 6'1" 212 Pick 29, Round 1 (29) Giants
Sanchez, Mark QB 6'2" 227 Pick 5, Round 1 (5) Jets
Heyward-Bey, Darrius WR 6'2" 210 Pick 7, Round 1 (7) Raiders
Greene, Shonn RB 5'11" 227 Pick 1, Round 3 (65) Jets
Stafford, Matthew QB 6'2" 225 Pick 1, Round 1 (1) Lions
Harvin, Percy WR 5'11" 192 Pick 22, Round 1 (22) Vikings
Coffee, Glen RB 6'0" 209 Pick 10, Round 3 (74) 49ers
Robiskie, Brian WR 6'3" 209 Pick 4, Round 2 (36) Browns
Britt, Kenny WR 6'3" 218 Pick 30, Round 1 (30) Titans
Massaquoi, Mohamed WR 6'2" 210 Pick 18, Round 2 (50) Browns
Pettigrew, Brandon TE 6'5" 263 Pick 20, Round 1 (20) Lions
Freeman, Josh QB 6'6" 248 Pick 17, Round 1 (17) Buccaneers

 

[thatguy]

seems to me it became a great pass protection line, but not as good a running line as before. But then, I only saw them a handful of times.

Denver was among the league's best in YPC despite the revolving door and overall lack of talent at the RB position. Trust me, that O line is great at both run and pass blocking. I just hope McD doesn't mess with the blocking scheme.

 

[Trey]

Am I crazy for loving James Davis in the 2nd round now that he landed in Cleveland?

 

[amnesiac]

Don't know why Cleveland did not take a back.

There you go. James Davis. Crazy to think how far he has fallen since his freshman year.

could you offer a brief impression on Davis? do you see him carving out a roster spot on Cleveland?

 

[EBF]

EBF (and others)... how do you adjust your thoughts on a player you like a ton before the draft (like Dillard) who then falls dramatically in the draft (like Dillard)? Do you ding them in your rankings - or do you stand by your original analysis, say thank you very much and draft the same player much more cheaply than you would have been able to otherwise?

This is a good question. I think you have to find a middle ground between being stubborn and realistic. When a player you like gets passed on repeatedly by every team in the league, you shouldn't let it totally sway your opinion, but you also shouldn't ignore it.I'll bump guys like Dillard and Peerman down considerably in my rankings, but they'll still be much higher than your average 5th round WR and 6th round RB. So I'll probably still get those guys in many of my leagues without reaching very far.There are nice sleepers at every level of the draft. If all you do is sit back and pick guys who look underrated in their range, you should make out pretty nicely. Guys like Dillard and Peerman will come into play in that 3rd-4th round range when the pickings get slim. At that point I would rather gamble on a 5th round WR that I like than take a 3rd round scrub like Iglesias.

 

[T Bell]

The first 3 spots I can see being between Moreno, Wells and Crabtree. It just depends on preference. The 4th pick could go a number of ways. I still go with talent and thats Maclin so with him being drafted in a great situation he is the clear 1.4 guy for me. D Brown I like and the Colts have a great track record with first round picks. I just cant see spending a top 4 pick on a guy that was clearly drafted to be part of a RBBC.

I still think Crabtree is the 1.1 in a PPR league.

 

[EBF]

Don't know why Cleveland did not take a back.

There you go. James Davis. Crazy to think how far he has fallen since his freshman year.

could you offer a brief impression on Davis? do you see him carving out a roster spot on Cleveland?

He had the look of a potential blue chip recruit after his freshman season. I think he was ACC Freshman of the Year or co-ACC Freshman of the Year. Even as recently as last year he was considered a potential first day pick. He flirted with the idea of entering the draft, returned to school, and had a very mediocre season. I haven't paid much attention to him this draft cycle because I kind of wrote him off, but he's certainly someone to monitor. He's an example of a back who's decent at many things, but great at nothing. He has good size and adequate speed with pretty good change of direction skills. Is he a dynamic talent who has long term starter potential at the NFL level? Probably not, but he's talented enough to make waves if Lewis falters. You can get a look at him here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsCU6dDNAR0

 

[corpcow]

Edgerrin James is expendable

ESPN was reporting during the draft that Zona was expected to release Edge either Monday or Tuesday of this week. Not sure how reliable that is.

THink he's worth picking up? Maybe he goes to ... Seattle who didn't draft anyone?

 

[T Bell]

Don't know why Cleveland did not take a back.

There you go. James Davis. Crazy to think how far he has fallen since his freshman year.

could you offer a brief impression on Davis? do you see him carving out a roster spot on Cleveland?

Sorry, I don't do impressions.

 

[amnesiac]

Don't know why Cleveland did not take a back.

There you go. James Davis. Crazy to think how far he has fallen since his freshman year.

could you offer a brief impression on Davis? do you see him carving out a roster spot on Cleveland?

He had the look of a potential blue chip recruit after his freshman season. I think he was ACC Freshman of the Year or co-ACC Freshman of the Year. Even as recently as last year he was considered a potential first day pick. He flirted with the idea of entering the draft, returned to school, and had a very mediocre season. I haven't paid much attention to him this draft cycle because I kind of wrote him off, but he's certainly someone to monitor. He's an example of a back who's decent at many things, but great at nothing. He has good size and adequate speed with pretty good change of direction skills. Is he a dynamic talent who has long term starter potential at the NFL level? Probably not, but he's talented enough to make waves if Lewis falters. You can get a look at him here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsCU6dDNAR0

thanks. looks like a nice between the tackles runner.