Dynasty Safety stashes (3 Viewers)

[lsutigers]

Pulling inspiration from Tick's LB thread ahead of 2025 draft.

Buffalo - signed Darrick Forrest who slots in behind Hamlin
Jets - signed Cisco from Jax; would definitely watch if they use early draft capital
Commanders - Watching Percy Butler here (Will Harris signing doesn't scare me)
Browns - Thornhill and Mcleod out, Ronnie Hickman maybe? (also another draft candidate)
Min - Theo Jackson behind Harrison Smith again but went hard after Holland
Jax - Signed Murray (older S); Antonio Johnson is well suited for the box safety role behind him
Atl - Whoever they end up sending out here (probably not on roster)
Carolina - see Atl as far as who lines up next to Moehrig
SF - Mustapha clear winner as far as departures

 

[Gally]

In general, I would rather stash LB's or DL's over DB's any day of the week. DB's are always easy to find on waivers (in most leagues). I don't like wasting stash spots for them because of that.

The only guy on that list I might be interested in stashing is Mustapha. Everyone else seems like a crapshoot.

 

[Crippler]

My league it is DL that are easy to find. But we use DB and thus Safety value to me is 2nd to LB.

I want to start 3 DL, 4 LB, 4 S each week. 4-3-4 not great. 4-2-5 and 3-3-5 or 3-2-6 other D options

It is most leagues that start 2 DL, 1 DT, 4 LB, 2 S, 2 CB that devalue the Safety spot

Scoring matters also. For my league the top 38 was 25 LB, 12 S, 1 DE
DT rated 4th overall for DL with 3 DE leading way. I rather DE in DL type of league
18 S rated ahead of top CB and we know CBs can change year to year on who is picked on

So in some leagues, safety news can be big

 

[Gally]

So in some leagues, safety news can be big

I wasn't meaning safeties don't score well. The meaning is solely based on there typically always new players coming out of nowhere every year that are top 10-15 guys available on waivers early in the season. If you pay attention early you can typically find a noname guy easily to plug in

 

[Crippler]

So in some leagues, safety news can be big

I wasn't meaning safeties don't score well. The meaning is solely based on there typically always new players coming out of nowhere every year that are top 10-15 guys available on waivers early in the season. If you pat attention early you can typically find a noname guy easily to plug in

As far as rookies go. I see my mocks like this

1. Jihaad Campbell
2. Carson Schwesinger
3. Jalon Walker as a LB. Drop if DE
4. Demetrius Knight
5. Chris Paul
6. Danny Stutsman
7. Abdul Carter
8. Malachi Starks
9. Nick Emmanwori
10. Barrett Carter
11. Xavier Woods
12. James Pearce
13. Jeffrey Bassa
14. Mykeal Williams
15. Mike Green
16. Kevin Winston
17. Andrew Mukuba
18. Teddy Buchanon
19. Smael Mondon
20. Nic Scourton
21. Lander Barton
22. Princely Ummanmeilen
23. Jack Sawyer
24. Mason Graham
25. Luther Ransom

Others: Shemar Stewart, Donovan Ezeiruaku, JT Tuimoleau, Landon Jackson, Brayden Swinson, Jahdae Barron, Billy BowmanJaylen Reed

I really like this draft. Very deep at DL, okay depth LB and S. Travis Hunter does not get pts for O and D. He can be started on both sides if owner wants. His value is WR as O scores 60% of points

Way different rankings than those found online.
But our #1 D team who played 3-4-4 all year and has the best unit for each in league scored
DL 481(best 602 for team that started 4) LB 1083 DB 912(best 1028 for team starting 5.5)
Worst units DL 421(minimum 3 staters) LB 239(minimum 2) DB 575(minimum 4)

Right now the league carry’s 151 DL and 174 DB. But that will get pared down by cut line. IR inflates at this time of year. Draft will inflate even more.

 

[MAC_32]

So in some leagues, safety news can be big

I wasn't meaning safeties don't score well. The meaning is solely based on there typically always new players coming out of nowhere every year that are top 10-15 guys available on waivers early in the season. If you pat attention early you can typically find a noname guy easily to plug in

In my especially deep league (keep 40 / roster 50 / taxi 5 / IR 5), I have Kyle Hamilton and Grant Delpit as anchors, but rarely keep more than one more and if I draft them it's generally late - like round 6 and beyond in the rookie draft. Last year I kept Blackmon, after picking him up in free agency, and sent PJ Locke back into the pool, who I also picked up in free agency. Then I took Hufanga late in the draft last year, he's probably my 3rd keeper this year. And added both Xavier Woods and Coby Bryant soon after the season started (they're both being dropped).

I think it's good to develop a watch list for safeties, but if I'm drafting a rookie it's like my 2 anchors or Brian Branch, not a stash. I look for players that are stashed by the original drafter then dropped a couple years into their career before they've had a chance, then try to swoop in when that opportunity develops.

 

[lsutigers]

With Julian Blackmon and Justin Simmons the only real IDP free agents left, quite a few teams still appear to have starting holes or depth - Carolina, Minnesota, Atlanta, Chicago, Detroit, KC, TB, Washington.

 

[rockaction]

Detroit

Doesn't Detroit have Brian Branch and Kerby Joseph under contract? Or when you say "or depth" do you mean depth issues? Not sure what you mean. Was this telling people to keep an eye on the draft for the teams you listed?

I should just ask what is your overarching point is—if there is something besides simply pointing out need.

As for the Detroit thing, I'm thinking two safeties and two corners for the starting lineup, not the slot nickel we're also seeing as what amounts to the real base package. I'm not sure who that would be on Detroit as it stands right now.

 

[lsutigers]

Yes, sorry; depth issues. Was thinking stashes towards the bottom of the current 32 starters or next up guys in proven productive spots. So Detroit is set at CB, Safety and slot/nickle CB but not a ton of proven depth behind those guys.

 

[rockaction]

Yes, sorry; depth issues. Was thinking stashes towards the bottom of the current 32 starters or next up guys in proven productive spots. So Detroit is set at CB, Safety and slot/nickle CB but not a ton of proven depth behind those guys.

Cool. I thought so. Thanks for the response.

 

[Tick]

Zealots leagues cut down to 40 players and have a free agency period in the offseason. Some guys I've added:
Have done it before:
Hufanga, Talanoa DEN S
Washington, Ar'Darius BAL S
Melifonwu, Ifeatu MIA S
Battle, Jordan CIN DB
Mustapha, Malik SFO S

Projections:
Hicks, Jaden KCC S
Williams, Evan GBP S
Bullock, Calen HOU S

Some will get dropped to make space for rookies.

 

[Gatorade]

Zealots leagues cut down to 40 players and have a free agency period in the offseason. Some guys I've added:
Have done it before:
Hufanga, Talanoa DEN S
Washington, Ar'Darius BAL S
Melifonwu, Ifeatu MIA S
Battle, Jordan CIN DB
Mustapha, Malik SFO S

Projections:
Hicks, Jaden KCC S
Williams, Evan GBP S
Bullock, Calen HOU S

Some will get dropped to make space for rookies.

I am expecting much more from Williams and Bullock this year.

 

[Gally]

Mustapha, Malik SFO S

I picked this guy up for $1 FAAB. I was surprised nobody bid on him with Hufanga going away.

 

[lsutigers]

Not much change here with only one Safety going in the 1st (Starks to Baltimore). Hard to tell how impactful that will be with a hybrid D. If anything, it probably helps Hamilton (and maybe Washington too although he was rarely deep anyway) who could be asked to do less deep coverage.

In CB required leagues, Ja'Quan McMillian (Denver) who was a top 12 CB last year in my league last year on volume definitely is the big loser as Barron can play inside or outside.

 

[Golden Gopher]

Any of these guys stand out as "must add" safeties if they're available? Slightly more shallow league (12-team IDP dynasty), which is why there are so many available. I've got a pretty good core of 5 guys, but could use maybe one more.....

Pinnock, Jason SFO S
Pola-Mao, Isaiah LVR S
Hooker, Malik DAL S
Murray, Eric JAC S
Savage, Darnell JAC S
Ward, Jimmie HOU S
Gilman, Alohi LAC S
Davis, Ashtyn MIA S

 

[Tick]

Any of these guys stand out as "must add" safeties if they're available? Slightly more shallow league (12-team IDP dynasty), which is why there are so many available. I've got a pretty good core of 5 guys, but could use maybe one more.....

Pinnock, Jason SFO S
Pola-Mao, Isaiah LVR S
Hooker, Malik DAL S
Murray, Eric JAC S
Savage, Darnell JAC S
Ward, Jimmie HOU S
Gilman, Alohi LAC S
Davis, Ashtyn MIA S

Not for me from that list.

 

[Gatorade]

Any of these guys stand out as "must add" safeties if they're available? Slightly more shallow league (12-team IDP dynasty), which is why there are so many available. I've got a pretty good core of 5 guys, but could use maybe one more.....

Pinnock, Jason SFO S
Pola-Mao, Isaiah LVR S
Hooker, Malik DAL S
Murray, Eric JAC S
Savage, Darnell JAC S
Ward, Jimmie HOU S
Gilman, Alohi LAC S
Davis, Ashtyn MIA S

Not must adds, but best bets would be :
Savage
Pola-Mao
Gilman

 

[Gally]

Any of these guys stand out as "must add" safeties if they're available? Slightly more shallow league (12-team IDP dynasty), which is why there are so many available. I've got a pretty good core of 5 guys, but could use maybe one more.....

Pinnock, Jason SFO S
Pola-Mao, Isaiah LVR S
Hooker, Malik DAL S
Murray, Eric JAC S
Savage, Darnell JAC S
Ward, Jimmie HOU S
Gilman, Alohi LAC S
Davis, Ashtyn MIA S

No way I would roster more than 5 safeties. I typically roster 3 (can start 2)

 

[Golden Gopher]

Any of these guys stand out as "must add" safeties if they're available? Slightly more shallow league (12-team IDP dynasty), which is why there are so many available. I've got a pretty good core of 5 guys, but could use maybe one more.....

Pinnock, Jason SFO S
Pola-Mao, Isaiah LVR S
Hooker, Malik DAL S
Murray, Eric JAC S
Savage, Darnell JAC S
Ward, Jimmie HOU S
Gilman, Alohi LAC S
Davis, Ashtyn MIA S

Not must adds, but best bets would be :
Savage
Pola-Mao
Gilman

Yeah, that might be a better term. Thanks.

 

[Golden Gopher]

Any of these guys stand out as "must add" safeties if they're available? Slightly more shallow league (12-team IDP dynasty), which is why there are so many available. I've got a pretty good core of 5 guys, but could use maybe one more.....

Pinnock, Jason SFO S
Pola-Mao, Isaiah LVR S
Hooker, Malik DAL S
Murray, Eric JAC S
Savage, Darnell JAC S
Ward, Jimmie HOU S
Gilman, Alohi LAC S
Davis, Ashtyn MIA S

No way I would roster more than 5 safeties. I typically roster 3 (can start 2)

Understood. This league doesn't split CB/S, and we can start 3-4. So, with byes, 6 is a decent number (and by the time all is said and done, with injuries potentially), I may need a couple more at some point.

 

[lsutigers]

I like Ashtyn Davis in Miami. I know he hasn't shown much and he's not a box safety but he's currently penciled in as the starter and no one else on the depth chart scares me.

 

[Crippler]

Any of these guys stand out as "must add" safeties if they're available? Slightly more shallow league (12-team IDP dynasty), which is why there are so many available. I've got a pretty good core of 5 guys, but could use maybe one more.....

Pinnock, Jason SFO S
Pola-Mao, Isaiah LVR S
Hooker, Malik DAL S
Murray, Eric JAC S
Savage, Darnell JAC S
Ward, Jimmie HOU S
Gilman, Alohi LAC S
Davis, Ashtyn MIA S

No way I would roster more than 5 safeties. I typically roster 3 (can start 2)

Understood. This league doesn't split CB/S, and we can start 3-4. So, with byes, 6 is a decent number (and by the time all is said and done, with injuries potentially), I may need a couple more at some point.

Have to look at scoring. In my league the top 19 DBs a year ago were S and 43 of the top 62. Top guy was 16.6 pts per game while #64 was 9.9.

So who starts with tiers
Arizona. Baker(1) Thompson(3)
Atlanta. Bates(1), Fuller or Woods(4). Battle here as Fuller very experienced
Baltimore Hamilton(1). Starks(3). How much does Washington play
Buffalo. Rapp(2) Hamlin(4). Look out for Bishop also.
Carolina Moehrig(2), Ransom, Richardson or Scott(4). Another battle.
Chicago. Byard(2), Brisker(2). Who is better one to have overall only question
Cincinnati Battle(3), Stone(4). Top guy CB was 10.4 pts last year. 2023 less
Cleveland Delpit(2), Hickman(4). Watch out for Jenkins for Hickman
Dallas Hooker(3). Wilson(3). Best 9,8 last year. 10.8 in 2023
Denver. Hufanga(2), Jones(2). Both very talented. Who will be #1 there. Jones 14.1 last year
Detroit Branch(1), Joseph(2). Another nice duo. Joseph 11.6 last year
Green Bay McKinney(1). Williams(3). Don’t believe Clay. Williams is darkhorse pick
Houston: Johnson(2), Bullock(3). Ward could see time also.
Indy Bynum(1), Cross(3). 15.4 and 10.6 a year ago for top 2 Cross could be higher as 15.4
Jack. Savage(2) Murray(4). Could Ransaw see time
KC Hicks(2), Cook(3).
LV Chinn(2), Pola-Mao(3). How does Chinn adapt to new team.
Chargers. James(1), Gilman(4). #2 last year was 9.7. Molden in equation for Gilman
Rams Kinchens(2), Curl(3). Who will be the fantasy guy. Kinchens came on late. Curl been good
Miami Melifonwu(2), Davis(4). Not a huge force. 9.5 top guy last year. 2023 with Holland was 12.9 though
Minny. Smith(2). Jackson or Matellus(3). Could be both used. Minny likes 3 S. Have all done well in past. Theo name on speed dial
NE Dugger(2), Peppers(3)
NO. Matthieu(2). Reid(3).
NYG. Nubin(1), Holland(2). How do these 2 work together. Nubin 12.7. #2 last year 9.8
Jets: Adams(3), Cisco(4). Watch out for Moore. Top guy 9.9 last year
Philly: Blankenship(2), Mukuba(3). Nice duo
Pitt Fitzpatrick(2), Elliott(4). Fitz not what he was. Elliott could face competition. Thornhill
SF: Mustapha(2), Brown(3). I think Pinnock out of luck
Sea: Love(2). Emmanwori or Bryant(3). I have a feeling the rookie will be a tier 1 soon
TB: Winfield(1). Izen(3)
Tenn: Hooker or Winston(3), Woods(4). Look out for Winston. One guy scores well. 11.1
Wash. Harris(2), Martin(3). Someone scores well. Curl, Chinn and now who. 12.9 in 24

Add in a few CB types. Jahdae Barron my favourite as talented and Surtain on other side
Kenny Moore seems to score well. A few others

It is why carrying only 6 at most important. Can always find a DB on waivers. The nickel D is very prominent now. Thus 150 DBs(96 useful ones) available compared to 64 LBs. DL is about 96 also. With 12 teams, lots of waivers. Corner market more on LB and only usually carry S for DB

 

[Crippler]

Breaking down tiers

1. Hamilton, Winfield, Branch, James, Bates, Baker, Nubin, Byrum, McKinney
2A. Moehrig, Blankenship, Dugger, Brisker, Chinn, Hufanga, Joseph, Jones, Delpit, Hicks, Fitzpatrick
2B: Rapp, Mustapha, Kinchens, Byard, Emmanwori, Holland, Gardner-Johnson, Starks, Thompson
3A: Love, Smith, Savage, Cross, Metellus, Reid, Mukuba, Barron, Brown, Battle, Cooper, Mathieu, Pitre
3B: Bullock, Williams,Curl, Izien, Peppers, Hooker, Humphrey, Winston, Cook, Martin, Pola-Mua, K. Moore, Sneed, Wilson, T. Jackson, T. Smith, Adams, Conner
4: Hamlin, Hickman. X. Woods, Scott, Lake, T. Johnson, Taylor, Elliott, Witherspoon, Sanistril, Stone, Hooker, Gilmon, Cisco, Murray, Davis

Other names on speed dial: Fuller, Taylor-Demerson, Bishop, Ranskm, Richardson, Jenkins, Ward, Ransaw, Johnson, Molden, Sanker, M. Moore, S. Brown, Thornhill, Bryant,

CB dial. Lenoir, Stephens, Adebo, Murphy, Ramsey, Nixon, Bland, Hill, Gordon, Bowman

That is 75 names. My league is 15 teams and rather start 3-4-4 1st or 3-3-5 2nd. 3-2-6, 4-3-4, 4-2+5 are options in a row. So we get into the CBs. But 12 team is the last players are ww pickups in case of injury or bye week filled. Everyone listed here would be on a roster. Including speed dial and CB. Can get some CB only on waivers. Only backup S. Start 4 DB and with 56 man rosters that is 75 only carrying 5. Most carry 6-8. 7 is 105. So different than most.

Thoughts @Gally @Gatorade @Tick. Or others

 

[Gally]

Thoughts @Gally @Gatorade @Tick. Or others

Very thorough. I don't think I have ever gone this deep. I typically just go one over the number of starters I need which is 3 or 4 total but my approach is to usually start the season with 2 (just starters) unless a top guy just lasts too long to make me get three. Then I watch the current season and see who is the flavor of the year after a couple games and get them off waivers. There are always (at least in my leagues) top 10-15 DB's on the waiver wire every week. Since the top 10-15 changes pretty drastically year to year I find this to be the best approach.

 

[Tick]

I’ll dig in soon. There’s also this from Tripp: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...ZmJR0As0OrDXtyhYDf3eczzpUv8/edit?usp=drivesdk

 

[massraider]

Very thorough. I don't think I have ever gone this deep. I typically just go one over the number of starters I need which is 3 or 4 total but my approach is to usually start the season with 2 (just starters) unless a top guy just lasts too long to make me get three. Then I watch the current season and see who is the flavor of the year after a couple games and get them off waivers. There are always (at least in my leagues) top 10-15 DB's on the waiver wire every week. Since the top 10-15 changes pretty drastically year to year I find this to be the best approach

My league has 50 man rosters, can start 3 S, and there are STILL good ones on the wire.

I have a pretty strict policy about not drafting DBs, at all.

 

[MAC_32]

Very thorough. I don't think I have ever gone this deep. I typically just go one over the number of starters I need which is 3 or 4 total but my approach is to usually start the season with 2 (just starters) unless a top guy just lasts too long to make me get three. Then I watch the current season and see who is the flavor of the year after a couple games and get them off waivers. There are always (at least in my leagues) top 10-15 DB's on the waiver wire every week. Since the top 10-15 changes pretty drastically year to year I find this to be the best approach

My league has 50 man rosters, can start 3 S, and there are STILL good ones on the wire.

I have a pretty strict policy about not drafting DBs, at all.

Similar, only we can start up to 4 (2 min). We are 50 man taxi and 5 man taxi. We leave the draft with 50 then there's a free for all to fill out. I went into the free for all with Kyle Hamilton, Delpit, and Hufanga- all keepers, the last of which may have been my final keeper. I added Amani Hooker and Justin Reid in the free for all and also had other options.

Totally okay with using some capital on starters, but depth? Regardless of format, no.

 

[Tick]

It always seems like I should remind myself to pick up the rookie safeties in week 16 or so. Harris and Watts should be on the wire like Hicks has been this offseason.

 

[Crippler]

It always seems like I should remind myself to pick up the rookie safeties in week 16 or so. Harris and Watts should be on the wire like Hicks has been this offseason.

Amazed at the lack of love. Maybe why writing article helped my cause even more than I thought.

We start 165 players on D each week (15x11). Can use 3-4-4, 3-3-5, 3-2-6, 4-3-4, 4-3-5 alignments. No differential at DB or DL

Going through the numbers on PPG. And DL gets more pts per tackle.
Top 25 (21 LB, 3 S, 1DE)
Top 50 (38;LB, 10 S, 2 DE)
Top 75 (46 LB, 19 S, 4 DE, 5 CB, 1 DT)
Top 100 (54 LB, 25 S, 11 DE, 7 CB, 3 DT)
Top 125 (56 LB, 35 S, 13 DE, 15 CB, 4 DT)
Top 150 (58 LB, 43 S, 21 DE, 21 CB, 7 DT)

Is it do to economic numbers. 79 available LBs, 147 DL, 128 DB or is CB close to 160 with so much nickel.

In 12 team league unless only starting 2 S and would like to carry 4 with your big rosters and 3 CBs only. If DB only, I would want at least 5 S and 1 CB. That is 60 S for 12 team which gets into tier 4. Only 12 CBs which leaves plenty on ww. Does no one want to,play a little S keep away

My league with only 64 LB leaves 4.3 per team. We avg carrying 6. I have 9(rosters 52-4). S would be same with 4.3 per team. I have 7 S and 1 CB on roster. DL. I have 7 DE. The rest goes to O.

Is it the 15 team to 12. Is it most leagues make you start 2-2. But 5th usually flexible and I want S. Is it difference between balanced. I consider this more balanced. Tackle heavy leans even more to LB/S. Sack heavy helps DL. Because even in 12 team league that is 5 LB per team only. I see 3-3-5 as nice alternative. Of course maybe most IDP leagues here are not 11 starters. All guys mentioned by tick where on rosters and 12 rookies added to rosters for DB.

Just very interesting comments after. How much an afterthought some things are

 

[Tick]

It always seems like I should remind myself to pick up the rookie safeties in week 16 or so. Harris and Watts should be on the wire like Hicks has been this offseason.

Amazed at the lack of love. Maybe why writing article helped my cause even more than I thought.

We start 165 players on D each week (15x11). Can use 3-4-4, 3-3-5, 3-2-6, 4-3-4, 4-3-5 alignments. No differential at DB or DL

Going through the numbers on PPG. And DL gets more pts per tackle.
Top 25 (21 LB, 3 S, 1DE)
Top 50 (38;LB, 10 S, 2 DE)
Top 75 (46 LB, 19 S, 4 DE, 5 CB, 1 DT)
Top 100 (54 LB, 25 S, 11 DE, 7 CB, 3 DT)
Top 125 (56 LB, 35 S, 13 DE, 15 CB, 4 DT)
Top 150 (58 LB, 43 S, 21 DE, 21 CB, 7 DT)

Is it do to economic numbers. 79 available LBs, 147 DL, 128 DB or is CB close to 160 with so much nickel.

In 12 team league unless only starting 2 S and would like to carry 4 with your big rosters and 3 CBs only. If DB only, I would want at least 5 S and 1 CB. That is 60 S for 12 team which gets into tier 4. Only 12 CBs which leaves plenty on ww. Does no one want to,play a little S keep away

My league with only 64 LB leaves 4.3 per team. We avg carrying 6. I have 9(rosters 52-4). S would be same with 4.3 per team. I have 7 S and 1 CB on roster. DL. I have 7 DE. The rest goes to O.

Is it the 15 team to 12. Is it most leagues make you start 2-2. But 5th usually flexible and I want S. Is it difference between balanced. I consider this more balanced. Tackle heavy leans even more to LB/S. Sack heavy helps DL. Because even in 12 team league that is 5 LB per team only. I see 3-3-5 as nice alternative. Of course maybe most IDP leagues here are not 11 starters. All guys mentioned by tick where on rosters and 12 rookies added to rosters for DB.

Just very interesting comments after. How much an afterthought some things are

I think it's all about starting spots, both in NFL and fantasy leagues.

In the NFL, there are just more DBs available - we essentially have 25% more starting DBs. Those slot guys that replaced the third LB on the field are killing it, whether they're called a CB or a S. There are just tons of startable guys every week.

In fantasy leagues, the two biggest things that have affected me have been Zealots splitting the DB position and Sleeper leagues having too many flex positions. Zealots switched from 3 DB to 2S+1C. Suddenly our 6-safety rosters were overstacked, and 4-5 make more sense. That just added to the depth available on the wire, so 4 really makes more sense, with the wire as further depth. Meanwhile, my Sleeper leagues are using too many of their IDP slots as flex spots - I'm seeing things like 2/2/2 + 3 flex, which is silly.

Also, we're the weirdos in the IDP forum - we're self-selected to be the people who believe we can find the depth at IDP positions, which frees us up to take offensive players instead. At safety, I think we've got great tools to find sleepers in the early weeks each season. Snap location percentages make the most difference at safety. We see surprise guys getting 100% of snaps and only 30% deep and we have a great pickup. I feel like I could go into a season with almost nothing and have a middling safety group by the end of week 2.

If I look across my 9 MFL leagues, I see last year's rookies available.
The consensus rankings I saw for rookie safeties last year:
1. Nubin is rostered everywhere.
2. Bullard is rostered everywhere.
3. Kinchens is available in 5 leagues.
4. Bishop is available in 4 leagues.
5. Tykee Smith is on 5 of my teams (none from the rookie draft).
6. Hicks is on 3 of my teams (none from the rookie draft) and available in 4.
7. Bullock is on 1 of my teams (inherited orphan) and available in 4.

So, I'd expect Emmanwori and Starks to be on rosters, but I'd guess that I could find guys like Watts, Winston, Mukuba, and Sanker on the wire next offseason.

 

[Tick]

Breaking down tiers

1. Hamilton, Winfield, Branch, James, Bates, Baker, Nubin, Byrum, McKinney
2A. Moehrig, Blankenship, Dugger, Brisker, Chinn, Hufanga, Joseph, Jones, Delpit, Hicks, Fitzpatrick
2B: Rapp, Mustapha, Kinchens, Byard, Emmanwori, Holland, Gardner-Johnson, Starks, Thompson
3A: Love, Smith, Savage, Cross, Metellus, Reid, Mukuba, Barron, Brown, Battle, Cooper, Mathieu, Pitre
3B: Bullock, Williams,Curl, Izien, Peppers, Hooker, Humphrey, Winston, Cook, Martin, Pola-Mua, K. Moore, Sneed, Wilson, T. Jackson, T. Smith, Adams, Conner
4: Hamlin, Hickman. X. Woods, Scott, Lake, T. Johnson, Taylor, Elliott, Witherspoon, Sanistril, Stone, Hooker, Gilmon, Cisco, Murray, Davis

Other names on speed dial: Fuller, Taylor-Demerson, Bishop, Ranskm, Richardson, Jenkins, Ward, Ransaw, Johnson, Molden, Sanker, M. Moore, S. Brown, Thornhill, Bryant,

CB dial. Lenoir, Stephens, Adebo, Murphy, Ramsey, Nixon, Bland, Hill, Gordon, Bowman

That is 75 names. My league is 15 teams and rather start 3-4-4 1st or 3-3-5 2nd. 3-2-6, 4-3-4, 4-2+5 are options in a row. So we get into the CBs. But 12 team is the last players are ww pickups in case of injury or bye week filled. Everyone listed here would be on a roster. Including speed dial and CB. Can get some CB only on waivers. Only backup S. Start 4 DB and with 56 man rosters that is 75 only carrying 5. Most carry 6-8. 7 is 105. So different than most.

Thoughts @Gally @Gatorade @Tick. Or others

Some names that stick out:

• I'll probably try to trade any McKinnie shares for guys in tier 2 - Chinn, Delpit, etc.
• Hicks is way too available - I see your list and Tripp's chart, and they line up. I look at rankings and he's safety 102 at FBG (???), 55 at FantasyPros, unranked at DLF (35 deep), 29 at IDP Show, 42 at IDP+.
• Rapp in 2B seems too high - I've rostered him off and on over the years but he's replacement level. I'd probably rather have anyone in tier 3 over him.
• Peppers is odd - feels like he could be out of the league or a S2.
• Feels like I'm missing something about Quentin Lake. Why is he below Curl in everyone's rankings?

 

[MAC_32]

If my LB and DE (big plays) corps were thinner, then I may put a greater priority on DB. Both are well built though. Due to that there is no need to devote much capital to DB. This approach allows me to take long shots at more valuable positions. For example, this is what led me to Brock Purdy in SF.

 

[lsutigers]

Thanks so much as this conversation has been money.

I'm in a 16 team, 12 taxi for off/def, start 2 CB, start 2 Safety with 2 more defensive flex and balanced positional scoring (CB1 = RB4 = WR3 = TE 3, etc.) and we go deep. 87 rostered CB's, 79 rostered S's.

 

[massraider]

You know, I will target young S if they fit that Chinn profile. 6'1, 210-215. Deone Buchanon.

For two reasons:
1. These guys are gonna play for different coaches, and today's SS can be next years FS. But every coach plays the 215 guy in the box

2. The linebacker shortage in the NFL. We could get to a point where these type guys are easier to find than LB, and more and more of them are putting up LB3 points.

Yeah, I'll go after Chinn, Duggar, Hicks, etc.