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[DYNASTY] Third Tier Rookie QBs (1 Viewer)
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EBF
Footballguy
Brennan and Ainge seem the most interesting to me. I remember reading that the number of games a QB prospect started in college and his completion percentage were two big predictors of NFL success. Ainge was a four year starter for Tennessee with a completion % over 60 in each of his final two seasons. He's on a team with no clear franchise QB of the future. If he can take advantage of this time behind Favre to learn the pro game and develop his skills, he could hit the ground running once he gets a shot to prove himself.
The fact that a 6'6" four year starter in a major college conference wasn't picked until the 5th round of the draft might be a sign that he just isn't very talented, but he also seems like a guy who may have been over-analyzed by the scouts.
The fact that a 6'6" four year starter in a major college conference wasn't picked until the 5th round of the draft might be a sign that he just isn't very talented, but he also seems like a guy who may have been over-analyzed by the scouts.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I like Kevin O'Connell. I remember some pretty positive draft blurbs about him, considering his school.
valhallan
Footballguy
I didn't like him coming out of college, but Brennan seems to be a great fit for Zorn's offense. Campbell has been productive so far, but he's also shown some of the inconsistency we've seen in the past. It's tough to get a read on this situation but if Brennan gets some game action, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he performs well and casts some doubt on Campbell as the future of the franchise.
Don't know much about the others, but I've heard Brett Ratliff's name thrown around by Jets homers more than Ainge.
Don't know much about the others, but I've heard Brett Ratliff's name thrown around by Jets homers more than Ainge.
EBF
Footballguy
Yea, I like him as a stash guy, but I didn't include him in my post because he was a top 100 draft pick. I consider him closer to Brohm/Henne than Ainge/Brennan.
Alluro
Footballguy
I do believe Colt Brennan will be a special player..Very similar to Drew Brees. I have him stashed in both of my dynasty leagues. I love the hair trigger release a la Dan Marino. And his accuracy is off the charts. I believe he was the only Qb at the combine with a perfect accuracy rating:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQJsqMkvjEI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQJsqMkvjEI
I have Johnson a good bit ahead of the rest, then Brennan and Dixon, with Ainge last.
Johnson is athletic enough be a good WR prospect, but he's also a cerebral pass first QB. He worked with Jim Harbaugh at San Diego, and his college stats are absurd (43-1 TD/INT ratio his senior year, career 113-15 and 68% accuracy). He's a charismatic leader and I think his personality will mesh with Jon Gruden. The Bucs long term QB situation is very far from settled, and Johnson should get a crack at winning the job in camp as soon as next year.
Brennan, maybe we were a little harsh on. His whole team was overmatched vs. Georgia, and maybe the sickness and hip flexor was more responsible for his terrible Senior Bowl week than "not having it". He is a QB who has demonstrated clarity in his reads and he's definitely a competitor. I am more convinced by the day that intangibles are more important than tools in forecasting a QBs chance for success, and Brennan fits that profile.
Dixon looked way better Omar Jacobs, the last QB the Steelers took in the 5th round (joining Tee Martin and Brian St. Pierre in recent Steeler draft infamy), he made plays in the preseason and took to the offense. Leftwich is only signed to a one year deal and Charlie Batch is a UFA - we'll know more about how much the Steelers think of Dixon from seeing what they do (or don't do) about their backup QB situation this offseason.
Ainge played through a broken pinky last year (Tony Romo are you listening?) but didnt have surgery to repair it until after the draft. He never stood out to me, and I agree with valhallan that Ratliff is the deep QB to watch in New York, he was clearly ahead of Ainge and lit up the preseason (along with David Clowney).
Johnson is athletic enough be a good WR prospect, but he's also a cerebral pass first QB. He worked with Jim Harbaugh at San Diego, and his college stats are absurd (43-1 TD/INT ratio his senior year, career 113-15 and 68% accuracy). He's a charismatic leader and I think his personality will mesh with Jon Gruden. The Bucs long term QB situation is very far from settled, and Johnson should get a crack at winning the job in camp as soon as next year.
Brennan, maybe we were a little harsh on. His whole team was overmatched vs. Georgia, and maybe the sickness and hip flexor was more responsible for his terrible Senior Bowl week than "not having it". He is a QB who has demonstrated clarity in his reads and he's definitely a competitor. I am more convinced by the day that intangibles are more important than tools in forecasting a QBs chance for success, and Brennan fits that profile.
Dixon looked way better Omar Jacobs, the last QB the Steelers took in the 5th round (joining Tee Martin and Brian St. Pierre in recent Steeler draft infamy), he made plays in the preseason and took to the offense. Leftwich is only signed to a one year deal and Charlie Batch is a UFA - we'll know more about how much the Steelers think of Dixon from seeing what they do (or don't do) about their backup QB situation this offseason.
Ainge played through a broken pinky last year (Tony Romo are you listening?) but didnt have surgery to repair it until after the draft. He never stood out to me, and I agree with valhallan that Ratliff is the deep QB to watch in New York, he was clearly ahead of Ainge and lit up the preseason (along with David Clowney).
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EBF
Footballguy
I agree completely. The main traits I look for from a QB prospect are poise under pressure, confidence, good decision making, and accuracy.
I've heard the same thing about Ratliff. Then again, I can still remember when people were saying Aaron Rodgers was a bust and that Ingle Martin was the QB of the future in Green Bay. I'm not saying you're wrong, only that it can be difficult to assess a passer this early in his career. The Jets kept 4 QBs on the roster, so they must see potential in both of these guys. I'm intrigued by Ainge mainly because of his college career. He had a lot of success at a major program playing alongside a pretty mediocre supporting cast.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Erik Ainge is too in love with the checkdown for my liking. In games against better opponents he never seemed comfortable in the pocket and if his first read wasn't there immediately went to the checkdown, probably explains why his comp% was so high.
Josh Johnson was my favorite later round guy pre-draft and he still is now, why I got trigger happy and traded him for Chris Taylor is still beyond me. I hope that one doesn't come back to bite me, I'd love to find a way to get him back.
Dennis Dixon is definitely one I am watching, what the Steelers do this spring should tell us how they feel about him. He's available in a deep dyno of mine and I plan to roster him once the bye weeks have passed "just to see."
I spewed way too much anti Colt Brennan sediments this offseason to back off of them now...I'll admit, the reports I've been reading have been favorable ones but I maintain he is just another system QB.
Kevin O Connell, don't know anything about him outside of what I have read since February. He has been whored around my league's wire all year but I haven't had the priority to get him just yet. Hoping one of these weeks I get him because he will stay on my roster through this season if I get him.
Josh Johnson was my favorite later round guy pre-draft and he still is now, why I got trigger happy and traded him for Chris Taylor is still beyond me. I hope that one doesn't come back to bite me, I'd love to find a way to get him back.
Dennis Dixon is definitely one I am watching, what the Steelers do this spring should tell us how they feel about him. He's available in a deep dyno of mine and I plan to roster him once the bye weeks have passed "just to see."
I spewed way too much anti Colt Brennan sediments this offseason to back off of them now...I'll admit, the reports I've been reading have been favorable ones but I maintain he is just another system QB.
Kevin O Connell, don't know anything about him outside of what I have read since February. He has been whored around my league's wire all year but I haven't had the priority to get him just yet. Hoping one of these weeks I get him because he will stay on my roster through this season if I get him.
EBF
Footballguy
That's an interesting point about Ainge.
Regarding Johnson and Dixon, I think you almost have to evaluate them independent of their athletic ability. The fact that they can run is nice, but it's sort of a moot point. What will ultimately determine whether or not they succeed in the NFL is their passing ability. Can they make reads? Can they make good decisions under pressure? Can they find the open man and deliver the ball? Nothing else matters. That goes for Tim Tebow as well. I don't care if he trucks 20 year old amateur football players in the red zone. I want to know if he can throw the football.
Regarding Johnson and Dixon, I think you almost have to evaluate them independent of their athletic ability. The fact that they can run is nice, but it's sort of a moot point. What will ultimately determine whether or not they succeed in the NFL is their passing ability. Can they make reads? Can they make good decisions under pressure? Can they find the open man and deliver the ball? Nothing else matters. That goes for Tim Tebow as well. I don't care if he trucks 20 year old amateur football players in the red zone. I want to know if he can throw the football.
EBF
Footballguy
This is one of things that helped sell me on Trent Edwards when he was still an afterthought in FF circles.Putting aside the fact that he had an incredible rookie preseason and that the tea leaves from the coaching staff indicated they were very excited about his prospects, I couldn't help but notice how poised and mature he was in his press conferences. The guy exudes professionalism and confidence. That translates seamlessly to the football field. Attitude is so important for a QB. You have to be professional and hard working, but you also have to have that QB swagger. You have to believe that you're the man and that you're going to make the play every time. Aaron Rodgers was my top ranked QB in his rookie class because you could see flashes of that unstoppable streak. It's like watching a good 3 point shooter get hot in a basketball game. It's hard to put into words, but there's a tangible feeling there. When the guy gets in the zone, he's going to sink the open shot and everyone in the arena knows it before the ball even hits the net. I think a lot of the great QBs have that quality. Roethlisberger, Brady, Manning. There's a feeling that when these guys are clicking on all cylinders, the defense has no chance whatsoever of stopping them. That's one of the main things I look for from a QB prospect.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Johnson is on our FA list in our dynasty league with the likes of O'Connell, Brohm, Ainge, Stanton, Dixon, Booty.
