What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

DYNASTY: Top 2013 College Prospects (1 Viewer)

I think there's a general perception that the class is down. On the other hand, there are quite a few players with first round potential. A lot of people think these guys have first round ability.QB: Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson, Logan Thomas, Tyler BrayRB: Marcus Lattimore, Knile DavisWR: Robert Woods, Keenan Allen, Marquess Wilson, Justin Hunter, Da'Rick RogersJust my personal opinion, but I think the class is down across the board. At this time last year you had a clear franchise QB in Luck, a clear elite RB prospect in Richardson, and a clear first round WR prospect in Blackmon. I think most would agree that Luck and Richardson were better at this stage of their careers than the top QBs and RBs in the 2013 group. I feel that way about Blackmon as well. Last year I would've been thrilled to get him with the 1.03 dev pick. This year I had the 1.03 pick in one league and traded down because I didn't like any of the options.I just happen to think this is a slightly weak group where all of the top players have some question mark or another. No doubt the upcoming NCAA season will help clarify this picture, but for now I am down on the top of the draft. My reaction to the names above is an emphatic "meh." It's early though. I didn't know who Ryan Mathews and Rashard Mendenhall were before their breakout years. Players like Demaryius Thomas, David Wilson, Kendall Wright, Doug Martin, and RG3 were not considered first round locks entering their final college seasons. I'm optimistic that some of the known players will justify the hype, and that some unknown players will emerge.
I don't follow college well enough to know names of potential stars and their skill level until I get into researching players leading up to the draft for my rookie drafts. I pretty much just follow one college program (Notre Dame) and know their players, who they play against and then pick up the buzz as the season goes of the elite. I am particularly interested earlier than normal because I have five 1st round picks in one of my dynasty leagues. I project 3 of those to be early round- 1 mid round with potential to be early and the last (mine) to be mid or late (hopefully dead last late). I also have two 2nd round picks which one should be early and the other mid. I have a pretty good team with good depth. The only area that I really could use significant upgrade in is RB. I was really hoping to get Richardson in this draft but he went #1 and I ended up with RG3 at my #3 slot. I could swear though that I keep hearing year in and year out that 'next year' is going to be a down year. I always contributed that to what you talk about in that there is a whole year to be played where players will rise and make a name for themselves and show quality to be drafted. But what I am getting from your response is that compared to last year- the known elite are just not as elite as they were last year at this point. Is that fair to say?
 
following michael dyer on twitter... he keeps tweeting about getting a few of his friend including the honeybadger, to come play with him next year - doesn't say where though.

seems like he plans on playing another year of college ball... at this time at least.

:popcorn:

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I could swear though that I keep hearing year in and year out that 'next year' is going to be a down year. I always contributed that to what you talk about in that there is a whole year to be played where players will rise and make a name for themselves and show quality to be drafted.
I feel like it's usually the opposite, with people generally overrating future classes.Having said, I think part of the reason why classes always look stronger when the draft finally rolls around is because there are usually some relatively unknown players who emerge as top prospects. Kendall Wright, Robert Griffin, David Wilson, and Doug Martin were not unknowns at this time a year ago, but they were not widely considered first round locks either. They were just sleepers. This happens almost every year with at least a couple players. And that's not even mentioning the 2nd-4th round types. There are also some players who start out overhyped and fall, which helps cancel out some of this effect. But in general I'd say the population of quality prospects is greater than the population of quality prospects who are widely known to the casual FF community. There are guys out there like Cameron Marshall and Andre Debose who have first round upside, but are nowhere to be found on most 2012 top prospect lists.
But what I am getting from your response is that compared to last year- the known elite are just not as elite as they were last year at this point. Is that fair to say?
Yes, that's my opinion. Not everyone agrees with it, particularly at WR, but that's how I feel.
 
I think there's a general perception that the class is down. On the other hand, there are quite a few players with first round potential. A lot of people think these guys have first round ability.QB: Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson, Logan Thomas, Tyler BrayRB: Marcus Lattimore, Knile DavisWR: Robert Woods, Keenan Allen, Marquess Wilson, Justin Hunter, Da'Rick RogersJust my personal opinion, but I think the class is down across the board. At this time last year you had a clear franchise QB in Luck, a clear elite RB prospect in Richardson, and a clear first round WR prospect in Blackmon. I think most would agree that Luck and Richardson were better at this stage of their careers than the top QBs and RBs in the 2013 group. I feel that way about Blackmon as well. Last year I would've been thrilled to get him with the 1.03 dev pick. This year I had the 1.03 pick in one league and traded down because I didn't like any of the options.I just happen to think this is a slightly weak group where all of the top players have some question mark or another. No doubt the upcoming NCAA season will help clarify this picture, but for now I am down on the top of the draft. My reaction to the names above is an emphatic "meh." It's early though. I didn't know who Ryan Mathews and Rashard Mendenhall were before their breakout years. Players like Demaryius Thomas, David Wilson, Kendall Wright, Doug Martin, and RG3 were not considered first round locks entering their final college seasons. I'm optimistic that some of the known players will justify the hype, and that some unknown players will emerge.
I think after a year where there were "sure" things a draft where the best players are a clear tier down is going to look weaker than it is. By next May I think there will be cases made that the top 3-5 QBs have more upside than Tanneyhill, the top 3-4 RBs are at least Maritn level and top WRs are closer to Blackmon/floyd than Wright. all of these are as we see them now as prospects versus what they will turn out. At the moment i think it is a bit underrated overall, but still a class where you will need to know what you are looking at the clearly divide between the busts and the goods. Given normal roster circumstances it is not a drft where i would want 5 picks in the first round.
 
The way I look at is that very few of the prospects in college football obviously have the talent to be more than a street level replacement in the NFL. Even a lot of the guys who might be drafted aren't really special in pro terms. For me guys like Redd and Barner fall into that category. They will probably get drafted and might make a roster for a few years, but to me they look like major underdogs to ever be anything more than backup type players at the next level. Dyer has major character baggage, but at least with him there's a chance that he'll get straightened out and really become something special in the NFL. I'd rather have a 10% chance at a first round pick than a 90% chance at a seventh round pick. Those numbers are arbitrary, but they reflect the reasoning. I've done a few dev drafts over the last few years and I've realized that upside is a huge part of the equation. I've taken guys like Mardy Gilyard and Jarett Dillard who were nice players and draftable prospects, but didn't really have special qualities for the next level. These guys are a dime a dozen and tend to wash out of the league pretty quickly. Given the choice between mid-late round talents and a potential first round type of talent, I'm going to swing for the fences ten times out of ten. That was my reasoning when I took Dyer. I went back and watched his clips and thought "Man, how is this guy still here?"Of course, I could be completely off in my evaluation. He could be a middling talent and players like Redd and Graham could end up being stars in the NFL. Regardless of whether the evaluation was correct, I think the reasoning behind it was solid. Once the obvious elite guys are gone, I think it pays to gamble on greatness in dev drafts as opposed to settling for a safe prospect with marginal upside.
There is some intersting overall dynsaty strategy ideas in this post that I don't have the true time breakdown line by line. Overall, I will say that FF is a game which long term rewards proper risk management. Sometimes swing for the fences, sometimes just try and get a base hit, sometimes just put the ball in play, sometimes bunt.
 
I'm not that high on this year's group, which is why I felt more comfortable trading next year's first to get extra picks in this past draft, which was a much stronger group in my opinion.

 
there were some back and forth reports today about dyer... maybe he isn't going to PV A&M... that twitter account may not even be real ahah, and it's now saying it was hacked last night and he isn't going there. some are saying it was because of eligibility issues... who knows.

i'll stop posting twitter reports until it's from a reliable source. :coffee:

 
Last edited by a moderator:
michael dyer just tweeted he's going to the SWAC to play for Prairie View A&M this season... :popcorn:
Wow, I went to PV for one semester and immediately transferred to Texas Tech!!! Don't regret it one bit. He should have gone to Grambling!!
Ouch and LOL...My family is full of PV grads.
LOL, so is mine including two which are employed by the PV a counselor and a professor.
ETA: The Grambling remark was considering his goal is to go to the NFL. If this is the case he has a better chance at Grambling. PV has one of the best Engineering programs in Texas....I somehow don't see him graduating with an Engineering degree.
 
This year's top 10 Heisman dark horses

By Chris Huston | College Football Blogger/Heisman Pundit

No matter how confident one may feel about the Heisman race heading into a season, things don't always go according to plan.

The last three years are good examples that.

Though Robert Griffin III did make the Heismanpundit.com preseason Heisman Watch list in 2011, it took a miraculous ending against Oklahoma in mid-November to cement his legitimacy as a candidate.

And while I did explicitly hail Cam Newton as a potential Heisman candidate--first out of high school and then out of junior college--his remarkable 2010 season was not something I was able to foresee.

Even Mark Ingram's narrowest of Heisman wins in 2009 came out of the blue.

You might say that the Heisman race is changing before our very eyes. The advent of social media, the rapid proliferation of information and the shortening of the news cycle has made it easier for insurgent candidates to emerge.

Sometimes, all it takes is one play.

I recently put out the list of the 10 players most likely to win the 2012 Heisman Trophy, with another 10 below that who could also make run. Now it's time to dig a little deeper, to look out for those players who might really jump up and surprise us.

This year's top 10 Heisman dark horses (in no particular order):

Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama -- The case for Lacy is based on simple math. The 6-foot-0, 220-pound junior carried the ball 95 times for 674 yards last season (a remarkable 7.1 yards per tote) and now a large chunk of Trent Richardson's 283 carries from last season are likely to go to Lacy, who should–conservatively–top the 200 carry mark (provided he stays healthy). That means if he averages just 6.1 yards per rush instead of the 7.1 he averaged last year, he's looking at a minimum of 1,220 yards on the ground. He's not the talent that Richardson is, but if he is relied upon as much as Richardson was last year, he'll be a Heisman candidate in the Tide's run-heavy offense.

Braxton Miller, QB, Ohio State -- Quick: Name the last true sophomore quarterback who used Urban Meyer's spread offense to cruise his way to the Heisman. While Miller may not be the next Tim Tebow, he has earned high praise in the off season from Meyer, who called his young pupil "the most dynamic quarterback I have ever coached." Last season, Miller rushed for a team-leading 715 yards and seven touchdowns and passed for 1,159 yards and 13 scores (with just four picks). I see no reason why the 6-foot-2, 210-pound Miller won't maintain his ground totals. Meanwhile, his passing numbers should jump considerably. Based on his last four games of last year alone, he'll easily top the 2,000-yard mark and probably throw between 20-25 touchdowns. Many see him as a guy to watch in 2013, but if he exceeds these expectations, he could 'arrive' a year early.

Kiehl Frazier, QB, Auburn -- Frazier hasn't even locked down the starting position for Auburn yet, but he's a big-time dual-threat talent who should shine once he gets some more playing time under his belt. One question mark is how smooth the switch from Gus Malzahn's system to new offensive coordinator Scott Loeffler's will be. It's a possibility that Frazier just isn't a good fit for the pro-style aspects of the new scheme. But if Frazier is handed the keys to the Auburn offense–and is used correctly–he'll develop into one of the best quarterbacks in the SEC by the end of the year. For a guy who threw for just 34 yards and rushed for 327 last year, this may seem like a stretch. But he's got the skills to do it. If the new OC doesn't screw things up--and if you see a lot of Clint Moseley this year, you'll know he has--then I expect a 2,000/1,000-type year from Frazier.

Le'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan State -- It's fun to see a good football rushing duo grinding out the yards. But with rare exceptions, one back is always clearly better than the other. We saw last year how Montee Ball separated himself from James White. Eric Dickerson pretty much left Craig James in the dust back in the early 1980s. And last year, Bell showed he was superior to Edwin Baker. Bell rushed for 948 yards and 13 touchdowns in his sophomore season, while Baker (coming off a 1,200-yard campaign in '10) fell to 665 yards and a 3.9 average. Bell was very consistent, averaging 13 carries per game, but I expect that number to jump to 20 per game in '12 as the Spartans rely on the running game more with the loss of quarterback Kirk Cousins to graduation. The 6-2, 237-pound Bell should become the workhorse of the Spartan offense. His yards per carry average may drop a bit, but he'll probably rush for at least 1,300 yards, if not more.

Christine Michael, RB, Texas A&M -- It's common sense to project that Michael, a talented senior who ran for 899 yards last season, will improve his numbers thanks to the loss of backfield mate Cyrus Gray to the NFL. Michael got about 43 percent of the carries in 2011 in an offense that also featured Ryan Tannehill's 306 rushing yards. With both Gray and Tannehill gone, Michael is now the focus of the offense, which means he'll probably carry the ball upwards of 250 times this season. As a result, he should be in the conversation as one of the top backs in the newly-reconfigured SEC and, if he stays healthy, he could have an All-American-level season. If he can do that against a schedule that includes Arkansas, Alabama and LSU, he might emerge as a Heisman candidate. One wildcard in all this is the development of true freshman Trey Williams, who is the Aggies' tailback of the future. Williams has the potential to steal a lot of carries from Michael as the season wears on.

Blake Bell, QB, Oklahoma -- How can a player who is a backup quarterback at the start of a season--to a legitimate Heisman candidate, no less--possibly be on this list? Well, we are talking about dark horses and long shots here. It recognizes that some quirky things might have to happen for any of these scenarios to occur. Such is the case with Bell, a sophomore who rushed for 13 touchdowns last year as a specialist out of the 'Bell-dozer' formation. While the 6-foot-6, 245-pound wunderkind has been pigeonholed as a runner, he did complete 14 of 19 passes for 179 yards in the Sooners' most recent spring game. The setup for his potential Heisman run is not unlike that of Tim Tebow's, who spent his freshman year as a celebrated goal-line quarterback before taking over the starting job as a sophomore. The only problem is the status of Landry Jones as Oklahoma's current starter. But stranger things have happened. Should Jones get hurt or fail to perform as expected, Bell could step in and become a phenom. It wouldn't be the first time a young, mobile quarterback filled in admirably for an injured pocket passer in Norman. Whatever the case, keep an eye on Bell for future Heisman consideration.

Kain Colter, QB, Northwestern -- Colter is one of the most entertaining players to watch in college football. The junior triple-threat did well last season stepping in for an injured Dan Persa, rushing for 654 yards and nine touchdowns and passing for 673 yards and six scores (with just one pick). Oh, he also caught 43 passes for 466 yards and three TDs. If there's a better a better example of the word 'versatile' out there, then I'd like to see it. With Persa gone, Colter takes over the quarterback spot and I expect he'll have a highly-productive season. The schedule provides a solid chance to start the season 7-0 before a game against Nebraska, a team Colter helped upset in Lincoln last year. An exciting player leading the Miracle 'Cats to a magical season could mean a dark horse Heisman dark run is in store.

Joseph Randle, RB, Oklahoma State -- Randle rushed for 1,216 yards, caught 43 passes and scored 26 touchdowns last season as a sophomore. The question with him is whether he can improve upon those numbers without Brandon Weeden and Justin Blackmon on hand to take some of the pressure off. It could be that having true freshman Wes Lunt at quarterback plus three new offensive line starters hurts Randle's effectiveness. On the other hand, Randle might get more chances to shine now that he is the top returning offensive weapon for OSU. If Randle can handle that responsibility, he'll have better production in the wide-open Cowboy scheme. A huge season by Randle would get him in the Heisman conversation.

Mike Glennon, QB, North Carolina State -- Glennon received dark horse Heisman attention from CBSSports.com's Bruce Feldman recently. The 6-foot-6, 235-pounder is an impressive physical specimen who passed for 3,054 yards and 31 touchdowns in 2011. If he can put together a special senior season and lead the Wolfpack to an unexpected ACC title, he could end up in New York. The strong-armed big man is likely to get some extra accolades due to his improving prospects for the next NFL draft.

Stepfan Taylor, RB, Stanford -- The Cardinal have produced the last three Heisman runners up, so why not take into account the possibility of yet another Stanford player making a run at it? After two-straight 1,000-yard seasons (including 1,330 last year), Taylor's coaches say 2,000 yards is within reach. "That's the goal," Taylor confirmed to me at Pac-12 media day in July. The end of the Andrew Luck era could well mean that the Cardinal offense leans heavily on Taylor, a low-to-the-ground runner with good balance and toughness. Considering Toby Gerhart went for nearly 1,900 yards in 2009, Taylor's goal isn't far-fetched. So maybe he'll break the three-year Stanford runner-up string, but in a positive fashion.
 
Another suspension...

UT WR Da'Rick Rogers has been suspended indefinitely for violation of team rules per Evan Woodbery (Vols beat writer) on Twitter. not a huge surprise, he's always been a bad apple...



https://twitter.com/TennesseeBeat/statuses/238636808706076672hello justin hunter targets... :wub:

theres cordarrelle patterson the juco transfer who should get an earlier look than expected as well, in what should still be a high powered offense.

 
Another suspension...

UT WR Da'Rick Rogers has been suspended indefinitely for violation of team rules per Evan Woodbery (Vols beat writer) on Twitter. not a huge surprise, he's always been a bad apple...



https://twitter.com/TennesseeBeat/statuses/238636808706076672hello justin hunter targets... :wub:

theres cordarrelle patterson the juco transfer who should get an earlier look than expected as well, in what should still be a high powered offense.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him kicked off the team at some point. He has a lot of talent but can't seem to get his act together.
 
@PedroMoura

Also of note: Robert Woods and Marqise Lee have switched receiver positions. Woods is now a split end and Lee is a flanker.

 
As it turns out, Da'Rick Rogers may be playing college football this fall in the Volunteer State, after all. Just not as a Volunteer: According to multiple in-state sources, the All-SEC wide receiver plans to transfer to Tennessee Tech after reportedly meeting with Golden Eagle coaches on Sunday, just 48 hours after he was suspended indefinitely by Tennessee coach Derek Dooley for an undisclosed "violation of team rules." The website VolQuest.com and a local television station, WDEF in Chattanooga, both reported Rogers' impending move on Sunday night.

Rogers has been on the bubble almost from the moment he defected from his home-state school, Georgia, to sign with Tennessee in 2010, making him the late-breaking headliner of a recruiting class that nearly fell apart after coach Lane Kiffin's abrupt departure for USC a few weeks before. By the time he stepped on the field for the first time as a freshman, Rogers had already been arrested for his role in a brawl involving multiple UT players; from that point on, rumors of his pending dismissal, suspension or transfer were too numerous to count.

Last year, multiple sources told CBSSports.com colleague Bruce Feldman that there were several incidents in which Rogers crossed the line with Vol coaches and staff, including a "complete meltdown" during UT's season-ending loss at Kentucky and another episode in the team weight room. The incidents were so troubling to some staffers that they felt Dooley was risking the locker room dynamic by allowing Rogers to remain in the program. The specific incident(s) that led to his suspension, however, remain a mystery.

Link

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Saw this on another board:

ESPN/Scouts Inc. just released their initial rankings for their top-32 players:1. Matt Barkley - QB - USC - 942. Chance Warmack - OG - Alabama - 943. David Amerson - CB - N. C. State - 944. Barkevious Mingo - DE - LSU - 945. Johnathan Jenkins - DT - Georgia - 946. Star Lotulelei - DT - Utah - 947. Justin Hunter - WR - Tennessee - 938. Sylvester Williams - DT - N. Carolina - 939. Manti Te'o - ILB - Notre Dame - 9310. Jonathan Cooper - OG - N. Carolina - 9211. Logan Thomas - QB - Va. Tech - 9212. Johnathan Hankins - DT - Ohio State - 9213. Marcus Lattimore - RB - S. Carolina - 9214. Sam Montgomery - DE - LSU - 9215. Jarvis Jones - OLB - Georgia - 9116. Corey Lemonier - DE - Auburn - 9117. Brennan Williams - OT - N. Carolina - 9118. Keenan Allen - WR - California - 9119. Kenny Vaccaro - S - Texas - 9020. Alec Ogletree - ILB - Georgia - 9021. Marquess Wilson - WR - Wash. St. - 9022. Desmond Trufant - CB - Washington - 9023. Shawn Williams - S - Georgia - 8924. Landry Jones - QB - Oklahoma - 8925. Brandon Jenkins - OLB - Fla. St. - 8926. William Gholston - DE - Mich. St. - 8927. Bennie Logan - DT - LSU - 8928. Dallas Thomas - OT - Tennessee - 8929. Kawann Short - DT - Purdue - 8830. Johnthan Banks - CB - Miss. St. - 8831. Luke Joeckyl - OT - Texas A&M - 8832. Robert Woods - WR - USC - 88
Some interesting stuff: - Barkley as the top overall player in the draft.- Thomas as the #2 QB. Jones as the #3. - Hunter as the top WR and a top 10 overall pick. - Only one RB in the first round. - Allen and Wilson rated ahead of Woods, who barely cracked the top 32.I disagree with some of this, especially with Jones being rated as a first round pick. It's nice to see one of the major publications finally go against the grain and rank Robert Woods outside the top 15. I'm not sure he's the top 10 talent he's billed as. I will watch more of him this season.
 
LSU junior RB Alfred Blue recently named co-starter along with Kenny Hilliard. Stock rising.

 
Could somebody explain to me the fascination with Logan Thomas as an NFL QB prospect? Like why are his passing inconsistencies last season being completely ignored such that he's being mocked as a top 10 pick in a lot of mock drafts? Is it simply because he's 6'6 260lbs and is mobile?

 
'EBF said:
Saw this on another board:

ESPN/Scouts Inc. just released their initial rankings for their top-32 players:1. Matt Barkley - QB - USC - 942. Chance Warmack - OG - Alabama - 943. David Amerson - CB - N. C. State - 944. Barkevious Mingo - DE - LSU - 945. Johnathan Jenkins - DT - Georgia - 946. Star Lotulelei - DT - Utah - 947. Justin Hunter - WR - Tennessee - 938. Sylvester Williams - DT - N. Carolina - 939. Manti Te'o - ILB - Notre Dame - 9310. Jonathan Cooper - OG - N. Carolina - 9211. Logan Thomas - QB - Va. Tech - 9212. Johnathan Hankins - DT - Ohio State - 9213. Marcus Lattimore - RB - S. Carolina - 9214. Sam Montgomery - DE - LSU - 9215. Jarvis Jones - OLB - Georgia - 9116. Corey Lemonier - DE - Auburn - 9117. Brennan Williams - OT - N. Carolina - 9118. Keenan Allen - WR - California - 9119. Kenny Vaccaro - S - Texas - 9020. Alec Ogletree - ILB - Georgia - 9021. Marquess Wilson - WR - Wash. St. - 9022. Desmond Trufant - CB - Washington - 9023. Shawn Williams - S - Georgia - 8924. Landry Jones - QB - Oklahoma - 8925. Brandon Jenkins - OLB - Fla. St. - 8926. William Gholston - DE - Mich. St. - 8927. Bennie Logan - DT - LSU - 8928. Dallas Thomas - OT - Tennessee - 8929. Kawann Short - DT - Purdue - 8830. Johnthan Banks - CB - Miss. St. - 8831. Luke Joeckyl - OT - Texas A&M - 8832. Robert Woods - WR - USC - 88
Some interesting stuff: - Barkley as the top overall player in the draft.- Thomas as the #2 QB. Jones as the #3. - Hunter as the top WR and a top 10 overall pick. - Only one RB in the first round. - Allen and Wilson rated ahead of Woods, who barely cracked the top 32.I disagree with some of this, especially with Jones being rated as a first round pick. It's nice to see one of the major publications finally go against the grain and rank Robert Woods outside the top 15. I'm not sure he's the top 10 talent he's billed as. I will watch more of him this season.
:thumbup: tomorrow can't come soon enough... need some college football in my life NOW.
 
Top prospects for '13 Draft: Offense

Tony Pauline

The 2012 NFL Draft was just four months ago, but with a new college season ready to kick off, it's time to look forward. Next year's draft has a decidedly Pac-12 and ACC flavor at the offensive positions and will be headlined by a group of talented seniors. The quarterback position could develop into a strength and 2013 also looks like a draft rich with offensive linemen. (* Denotes underclassmen)

Quarterbacks

Matt Barkley, USC: Barkley surprised many by returning to USC for his senior season, but in the end his gamble could pay off. The Trojan QB is precise with his throws and consistently makes good decisions in the pocket. He'll be the first quarterback selected in the 2013 draft and could end up as the top pick overall.

Logan Thomas*, Virginia Tech: Thomas was tremendous in 2011 as a first-year starter. He offers the size, pocket stature and arm strength to lead a franchise at the next level. Thomas reminds many in the scouting community of Ben Roethlisberger, and league decision-makers are excited about his future.



Tyler Wilson, Arkansas: Wilson turned in a terrific junior campaign, then made the proper decision by returning to Arkansas for another season of college ball. He's an athletic passer with a live arm and the ability to make all the throws. Wilson offers a good degree of upside potential but must improve his decision making and defensive reads if he's going to be a first-round choice next April.

E.J. Manuel, Florida State: Manuel has the best physical skills of any quarterback on this list. He beats opponents with his strong arm and quick-footed ball carrying. Manuel offers tremendous potential, but is still rough around the edges. He could easily make a major leap up draft boards with a big senior campaign.

Landry Jones, Oklahoma: Jones was effective at the start of last season, but faded down the stretch and has scouts questioning his skills at the next level. He's a solid NFL prospect who makes good decisions in the pocket, but Jones is not considered a franchise quarterback by league executives.

Tyler Bray*, Tennessee: Bray is a developing passer who showed consistent improvement as the 2011 season progressed. He offers the physical skills and mental make-up necessary to develop into a big-time NFL quarterback.

Zac Dysert, Miami (OH): Dysert does not possess the arm strength or physical skills of the top quarterback prospects on our list. Rather, he's a smart passer who accurately delivers all his throws. Dysert will offer starting ability for a timing or West Coast offense at the next level.

Sleeper: James Franklin*, Missouri: The Missouri signal caller lacks classic height for the next level (barely 6-foot-2), but possesses the other skills necessary to start in the NFL. Franklin accurately makes all the passes, spreading the ball around to his targets while also beating opponents with his ability as a runner.

Running Backs

Montee Ball, Wisconsin: Many in the scouting community felt Ball would've been a first-round pick had he opted for last April's draft. He offers a solid combination of size, power and elusiveness as well as the ability to catch the ball out of the backfield. Ball enters the season as one of the few three-down prospects at the running back position.

Marcus Lattimore*, South Carolina: Lattimore appeared to be a potential franchise back early in his college career before sustaining a season-ending knee injury last October. He possesses great physical skills, ball-carrying instincts and is the complete package at the position. Lattimore's return to the field this season will be closely monitored and will ultimately determine his draft grade.

Christine Michael, Texas A&M: Michael is a grinder with the ability to carry the load and pummel opponents on the inside. He also plays with a good degree of intelligence, finding running lanes and even making defenders miss. Michael is not a breakaway threat, but would be a perfect fit for a power running game.

Andre Ellington, Clemson: The versatile Ellington produces carrying the ball as well as catching it out of the backfield. He's an elusive runner who creates yardage and has the ability to make several defenders miss over the course of a single run. Ellington is also an effective target out of the backfield on passing downs. He'll be a perfect complementary ball carrier or situational back at the next level.



Knile Davis*, Arkansas: Davis was highly rated by scouts at the end of the 2010 season, but never saw the field last year after severely injuring his ankle in August. He's an explosive back who beats defenders into the open field, then runs to daylight. Davis must prove he's fully healed from the injury and complete his game, but he comes with a large amount of upside.

Sleeper: Le'Veon Bell*, Michigan State: Bell possesses all the skills necessary to be a dominant feature back in the NFL. He offers great size, terrific running vision as well as quickness and speed in his game. Bell showed flashes of brilliance in 2011 and the dynamic junior is poised to make a big move up draft boards this season.

Wide Receivers

Robert Woods*, USC: Woods has helped make Matt Barkley one of the best signal callers in college football. He's an electrifying wide receiver with natural pass-catching skills and is dangerous running after the reception. He lacks classic size, but has the tools to develop into a No. 1 receiver at the next level.

Keenan Allen*, California: Allen is another Pac-12 receiver that has NFL scouts intrigued. He possesses great football instincts, soft hands and offers terrific size, which he uses to his advantage. Allen's speed is suspect, but there's no denying he'll be a top-15 pick in the draft.

Marquess Wilson*, Washington State: Wilson rounds out a trio of talented receivers from the Pac-12. He combines the quickness and ability to run after the catch of Woods with the size and sturdiness of Allen. Expect Wilson to break out this season under the Cougars' new head coach Mike Leach.

Da'Rick Rogers*, Tennessee: Rogers is part of the Volunteers' crew of outstanding young offensive prospects. His large frame effectively complements his soft pass catching hands. Rogers needs to play hard every down, but comes with great upside potential.

Aaron Dobson, Marshall: Dobson is highly thought of in scouting circles and ranks as the top senior receiver on a number of boards. He's a sure-handed receiver who plays a physical brand of football. Dobson also shows great focus and concentration in his game. Whether he's anything more than a No. 2 wideout for the next level is debatable.

Sleeper: Marcus Davis, Virginia Tech: Davis possesses eye-popping size, speed numbers and flashes the ability to dominate opponents. He physically beats down defenders for the reception and at the same time outruns cornerbacks down the flanks. Virginia Tech lost their top two receivers from 2011 to the NFL and Davis is expected to shine this season.

Tight Ends

Tyler Eifert*, Notre Dame: Eifert is one of the most complete tight ends in the nation, offering great size, blocking prowess as well as consistent pass catching skills. He is a three-down tight end with the ability to be a mainstay for years in the NFL.

Dion Sims*, Michigan State: Sims is rarely mentioned as one of the top tight ends in the nation, but that will soon change. He combines the size of an offensive lineman with the speed of a possession receiver. Sims displayed consistent improvement in 2011 and is poised for a breakout campaign.

Levine Toilolo*, Stanford: Toilolo is another tight end with tremendous upside potential and a prospect that offers rare size, speed and athleticism. Toilolo is expected to be a key contributor for Stanford in 2012 with former Cardinal Coby Fleener graduating to the NFL.

Chris Gragg, Arkansas: Gragg is one of the best pass catching threats at the tight end position, and shows the ability to consistently beat opponents down the field. He looks like a big possession receiver and is a perfect fit for a West Coast offense, which employs a move tight end.

Michael Williams, Alabama: Williams is neither the most athletic nor flashiest tight end on this list, rather a consistent player effective in all facets of the position. He dominates opponents as a blocker and occasionally sneaks downfield as a pass catcher. Williams could have a long career in the NFL as a second tight end.

Sleeper: Gavin Escobar*, San Diego State: Another terrific athlete with imposing size, Escobar is a prospect whose game excites scouts. He quickly moves his 6-5 frame down the field, creating mismatches in the secondary on a consistent basis. Escobar is still rough around the edges and needs to complete his game, but offers star potential moving forward.

Offensive Linemen

Jonathan Cooper, G, North Carolina: Cooper was graded as a potential first-round choice last January, but chose to return to UNC for his senior campaign. He's a tremendous athlete who controls defenders at the line of scrimmage or annihilates linebackers blocking in motion. Cooper offers immediate starting potential in the NFL and can line up in a variety of blocking systems.

Brennan Williams, T, North Carolina: Williams is similar to his Tar Heel teammate, as he's also athletic and comes with a versatile game. He offers right tackle size and strength, but possesses the footwork and movement skills to get consideration on the left side.

Taylor Lewan*, T, Michigan: The Wolverines have a history of putting talented offensive linemen into the NFL and Lewan is the next top prospect from the program. He's a behemoth left tackle, who easily slides off the edge to protect his quarterback while also possessing run blocking power. Lewan is viewed by some scouts as the top tackle prospect in the nation.

Chance Warmack, G, Alabama: Warmack has been a mainstay for Alabama's dominant offensive line the past two seasons. He's a wide-bodied guard who continually devastates defenders at the point of attack. Scouts are enamored with Warmack's upside and are of the opinion he could start for a variety of offensive systems at the next level.

Jake Matthews*, T, Texas A&M: Matthews is a big-bodied technician who protected Ryan Tannehill last season. He's efficient, smart and very tough. Matthews is not as athletic as many of the top offensive line prospects, but comes with limited downside risk.

Travis Frederick*, C-G, Wisconsin: The Badgers had a pair of interior linemen selected in the first 55 choices of last April's draft, but Frederick is better than both of them. He combines the brute strength of Kevin Zeitler (No. 27 overall in 2011) with the ability to block in motion displayed by Peter Konz (No. 55). Frederick's ability to line up at guard or center only adds to his value.

Khaled Holmes, C, USC: Holmes is one of the meanest and nastiest blockers in the nation. He overwhelms defenders at the point of attack and opens up large running lanes in the middle of the line.

Sleeper: Chaz Green*, T, Florida: Green is a star in the making at the all-important left tackle position. He's large, nimble and easily gets off the edge in pass protection while also showing strength as a run blocker. The red-shirt sophomore is likely to be a first-round prospect in the near future.
 
lattimore looked solid tonight coming back from the injury. i was curious to see what he could do with that knee brace on but didn't seem to hinder much if at all. he looks like hes a bit more lean... i hear he's been working his ### off to get back on the field. will be interesting to see him progress through the season.

he did fumble on his first carry... i think he forgot there would be people going for the ball when not playing against his teammates in practice haha. he recovered nicely though and his next carry was a nice touchdown run making people miss and looking like his old self.

if he stays healthy, he could be another top 10 back imo.

:popcorn:

 
'werdnoynek said:
lattimore looked solid tonight coming back from the injury. i was curious to see what he could do with that knee brace on but didn't seem to hinder much if at all. he looks like hes a bit more lean... i hear he's been working his ### off to get back on the field. will be interesting to see him progress through the season. he did fumble on his first carry... i think he forgot there would be people going for the ball when not playing against his teammates in practice haha. he recovered nicely though and his next carry was a nice touchdown run making people miss and looking like his old self. if he stays healthy, he could be another top 10 back imo. :popcorn:
I don't see that at all. I like Lattimore, but to me he's nowhere near a guy like Trent Richardson. I wouldn't be shocked if no RBs went in the first round next year.
 
TODAY I agree with potentially no first round backs next year but I also think Lattimore was solid all things considered. He was never a Richardson level talent IMO, but he does have mid-late 1st round potential based on team need and his recovery the rest of the year.

I wouldn't have known he wore a brace if I hadn't been told/read - the lateral moves seemed fairly good. Does he body resemble the "Eric Dickerson build" to anyone else right now?

I was impressed with Zac Stacy as well. His vision and patience are good. Not sure if he has the burst/long speed to be anything more than a committee back at the next level but I can see him going around round 4/5 and making a squad if he continue to impress.

I only watched the 1st half of BYU/Wash St (will watch the rest sometime this weekend). I was bummed to not get a better glimpse of Wilson in Leach's offense. THEN, the catch in the end zone (nullified or not, I don't care). He got both feet in and a great high point. I was disappointed on the one comeback route were he got himself boxed out (looked like poor technique there) but the physical skills are obvious.

 
Lattimore reminds me a bit of Fred Taylor. I think he will always be injury-prone because of his build. He is heavy, but not stout.

On raw ability alone, I still think Michael Dyer might be better. He has a better build for the NFL. Not sure if he's got the brain though.

Those are the two guys from this class who looked like decent bets for the first round. Obviously Dyer's situation has changed because of the off-field stuff. After them, Branden Oliver is the RB who most stood out to me in highlights. I had some concerns that he wouldn't be big enough for the NFL, but he claims that his weight is up to 205. At his height, that's plenty big to be an every down guy. It will be interesting to see how his season goes. He's got a tough test tomorrow against Georgia.

In the Pac-12, I'll be keeping an eye on Cameron Marshall and Stepfan Taylor. Those are probably the top two draft-eligible runners int he conference.

 
Lattimore looked thinner than last year. Almost Darren McFadden-like.

Cody Hoffman (BYU) was on his way to a big game before the quad injury. On one play, Ran a great route to turn around the DB and made a hands catch. He's going to have a huge season with Riley Nelson at QB.

Wilson has great body control and ball skills, but I'm concerned he's gonna get pushed around when he gets to the NFL.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Tenn missed Rogers all of 4 minutes

Cordarelle Patterson is gonna be a stud

Rogers wouldve only been the 3rd best WR on the team this year<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252); "><br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252); ">Hunter is a first round talent and Patterson is a beast, just scored 4 minutes into his NCAA career <br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252); "><br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252); ">both are over 6'3 200 lbs

 
Lattimore looked thinner than last year. Almost Darren McFadden-like.Cody Hoffman (BYU) was on his way to a big game before the quad injury. On one play, Ran a great route to turn around the DB and made a hands catch. He's going to have a huge season with Riley Nelson at QB.Wilson has great body control and ball skills, but I'm concerned he's gonna get pushed around when he gets to the NFL.
Agree with the McFadden comparison. Very similar body types, though I think Lattimore is a little bit thicker (and not quite as fast).I love Lattimore as a dynasty prospect. If he stays healthy, I'd be shocked if he doesn't go in the 1st round of the draft. A team like my Bengals would love to have a guy like him. I think people underrate him because they don't take into account that he's a great receiver and excellent in pass blocking. Those attributes were a big part of why Doug Martin was able to rise up into the 1st round.
 
Michagan state LeVeon Bell played well tonight and will eventually get into Dyansty draft conversation. he is classic big back (6'1-2" 240ish) who caught the ball and at least on a couple of occassions protected the passer well. When he did break loose, he showed some speed, but not that extra gear that would make him an elite prospect.

 
Michagan state LeVeon Bell played well tonight and will eventually get into Dyansty draft conversation. he is classic big back (6'1-2" 240ish) who caught the ball and at least on a couple of occassions protected the passer well. When he did break loose, he showed some speed, but not that extra gear that would make him an elite prospect.
it was quite the showing by bell... touched the ball around 50 times in 90 plays i think i read.
 
Went to the Stanford/SJSU game. Not a ton of draft prospects to get excited about, but even with Luck gone there are a couple Cardinal players worth watching.

- Stanford RB Stepfan Taylor had 116 yards on 26 carries. It was a workmanlike performance. Not a lot of flashy plays, but he ran hard and kept his legs churning. He physically looks the part of an NFL back. Short and compact. A more impressive athlete than Stanford's numerous other RBs. I'm not sure he really has the stopwatch speed to be anything more than a third day pick though and his game doesn't really have that extra gear that you'd like to see in an elite prospect. He's still a good player and certainly draftable. He's one of the best senior running backs in the country. Style wise, a bit like Ray Rice. I'd say 2nd-5th round is a realistic range for where he might go.

- If you're looking ahead to 2014, remember the name Ty Montgomery. He got significant playing time for Stanford last season as a true freshman and is clearly the most talented WR on the team. They list him at 6'2" 212. He's built like a rock with 10.8 speed in the 100m as a high schooler. He caught four passes in the first quarter tonight and looked quick after the catch. He did have one really bad moment - a drop on a very catchable deep ball that would've lead to a 30+ yard gain, but overall looked like the best athlete on the field for either team. Looks like a certain future NFL player. Maybe not a first round pick because it remains to be seen if he has the pure pass catching ability to go that high, but athletically he is already good enough to hang at that level. He will have some highlight reel moments this season. Don't be surprised if the overall production isn't impressive though. Judging by this game, Stanford's passing attack is a shell of what it used to be now that Harbaugh and Luck are gone.

San Jose State played tough, but lacked individual talent. Their QB #10 was elusive in the pocket and accurate, but not much of an athlete. Their offensive tackle #76 Quessenberry looked to be their best pro prospect. I don't know if he is on the NFL radar at all, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Stanford was lucky to win this game. They clearly had the better athletes, but did not play well. I was not impressed with the play calling. Expect them to struggle this season despite being a ranked team for now.

 
Michagan state LeVeon Bell played well tonight and will eventually get into Dyansty draft conversation. he is classic big back (6'1-2" 240ish) who caught the ball and at least on a couple of occassions protected the passer well. When he did break loose, he showed some speed, but not that extra gear that would make him an elite prospect.
it was quite the showing by bell... touched the ball around 50 times in 90 plays i think i read.
I didn't see much explosiveness from Bell, nor power. He's got too much finesse, would rather see him drop down to 220-230. He's got pretty good hands, though.
 
Michagan state LeVeon Bell played well tonight and will eventually get into Dyansty draft conversation. he is classic big back (6'1-2" 240ish) who caught the ball and at least on a couple of occassions protected the passer well. When he did break loose, he showed some speed, but not that extra gear that would make him an elite prospect.
it was quite the showing by bell... touched the ball around 50 times in 90 plays i think i read.
I didn't see much explosiveness from Bell, nor power. He's got too much finesse, would rather see him drop down to 220-230. He's got pretty good hands, though.
I don't know how you didn't see power. The guy was running through tackles all night. His explosiveness is very good for a guy who is 240. With guys that big you simply don't get the quickness and extra gear as guys who are only 200 - 210. He moves really well for his size, has great vision and runs with tremendous power IMO. Looks like L. Blount in a lot of ways. He's already got a 2nd round draft tag on him. He could vault himself into the late 1st if he continues to perform like him did last night.
 
Michagan state LeVeon Bell played well tonight and will eventually get into Dyansty draft conversation. he is classic big back (6'1-2" 240ish) who caught the ball and at least on a couple of occassions protected the passer well. When he did break loose, he showed some speed, but not that extra gear that would make him an elite prospect.
it was quite the showing by bell... touched the ball around 50 times in 90 plays i think i read.
I didn't see much explosiveness from Bell, nor power. He's got too much finesse, would rather see him drop down to 220-230. He's got pretty good hands, though.
I don't know how you didn't see power. The guy was running through tackles all night. His explosiveness is very good for a guy who is 240. With guys that big you simply don't get the quickness and extra gear as guys who are only 200 - 210. He moves really well for his size, has great vision and runs with tremendous power IMO. Looks like L. Blount in a lot of ways. He's already got a 2nd round draft tag on him. He could vault himself into the late 1st if he continues to perform like him did last night.
I didn't see much of anything that stood out either. Sure he had some nice runs, but it looked more like something Issac Redman would do
 
Will be at the Alabama vs Michigan game tonight.......can't wait to see what Lacy is going to do.

 
Went to the Stanford/SJSU game. Not a ton of draft prospects to get excited about, but even with Luck gone there are a couple Cardinal players worth watching.- Stanford RB Stepfan Taylor had 116 yards on 26 carries. It was a workmanlike performance. Not a lot of flashy plays, but he ran hard and kept his legs churning. He physically looks the part of an NFL back. Short and compact. A more impressive athlete than Stanford's numerous other RBs. I'm not sure he really has the stopwatch speed to be anything more than a third day pick though and his game doesn't really have that extra gear that you'd like to see in an elite prospect. He's still a good player and certainly draftable. He's one of the best senior running backs in the country. Style wise, a bit like Ray Rice. I'd say 2nd-5th round is a realistic range for where he might go. - If you're looking ahead to 2014, remember the name Ty Montgomery. He got significant playing time for Stanford last season as a true freshman and is clearly the most talented WR on the team. They list him at 6'2" 212. He's built like a rock with 10.8 speed in the 100m as a high schooler. He caught four passes in the first quarter tonight and looked quick after the catch. He did have one really bad moment - a drop on a very catchable deep ball that would've lead to a 30+ yard gain, but overall looked like the best athlete on the field for either team. Looks like a certain future NFL player. Maybe not a first round pick because it remains to be seen if he has the pure pass catching ability to go that high, but athletically he is already good enough to hang at that level. He will have some highlight reel moments this season. Don't be surprised if the overall production isn't impressive though. Judging by this game, Stanford's passing attack is a shell of what it used to be now that Harbaugh and Luck are gone. San Jose State played tough, but lacked individual talent. Their QB #10 was elusive in the pocket and accurate, but not much of an athlete. Their offensive tackle #76 Quessenberry looked to be their best pro prospect. I don't know if he is on the NFL radar at all, but it wouldn't surprise me. Stanford was lucky to win this game. They clearly had the better athletes, but did not play well. I was not impressed with the play calling. Expect them to struggle this season despite being a ranked team for now.
Thanks, I will watch the game on Monday or Tuesday. Your analysis on Taylor is "spot on" I watch six Stanford games last year and he's just a workhorse. He doesn't really do anything great but he consistently produces and he is by far the hardest RB for me to rank.Tex
 
Michagan state LeVeon Bell played well tonight and will eventually get into Dyansty draft conversation. he is classic big back (6'1-2" 240ish) who caught the ball and at least on a couple of occassions protected the passer well. When he did break loose, he showed some speed, but not that extra gear that would make him an elite prospect.
Watched the game. This guy has the makings of a true workhorse back. He was the best player on the field in that game, easy.Dion Sims, TE, MSU, was impressive as well. Guy is huge and athletic. Made some nice catches.
 
'jurb26 said:
'Xue said:
'werdnoynek said:
'coolnerd said:
Michagan state LeVeon Bell played well tonight and will eventually get into Dyansty draft conversation. he is classic big back (6'1-2" 240ish) who caught the ball and at least on a couple of occassions protected the passer well. When he did break loose, he showed some speed, but not that extra gear that would make him an elite prospect.
it was quite the showing by bell... touched the ball around 50 times in 90 plays i think i read.
I didn't see much explosiveness from Bell, nor power. He's got too much finesse, would rather see him drop down to 220-230. He's got pretty good hands, though.
I don't know how you didn't see power. The guy was running through tackles all night. His explosiveness is very good for a guy who is 240. With guys that big you simply don't get the quickness and extra gear as guys who are only 200 - 210. He moves really well for his size, has great vision and runs with tremendous power IMO. Looks like L. Blount in a lot of ways. He's already got a 2nd round draft tag on him. He could vault himself into the late 1st if he continues to perform like him did last night.
Bell's "power" is more like Arian Foster's. He doesn't run over enough guys for me to say he has "tremendous" power. He's not on the level of a Steven Jackson.
 
Giovani Bernard with a huge game showcasing all his skills: rushing TD, receiving TD, and punt return TD. Low pad level, incredible shiftiness, great open field runner. He did leave with a knee injury and did not return, though, probably because they were blowing out Elon.

Those who watched the game, how did Aaron Mellette look?

 
Any thoughts on Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA?Blew up today with 214/3 against Rice.
It was actually Thursday night and not today. I didn't watch much of the game but enough to tell you that Rice's FCS (one of the) worse D from last year is just as bad (worse?) this year so anything against them needs to be taken with a grain of salt. I think the better option would be to watch some highlights from last year and/or try to catch one of his more competitive games this year.
 
Lots of big games in the first week. Hard to say what any of it means when so many of these big programs are playing creampuffs to open the season. You don't learn a lot about a player when he's beating up on Alcorn State.

I watched the Cal/Nevada game. Keenan Allen was basically Cal's whole offense. He made a lot of big plays for them. He is tall and athletic, but maybe not the fastest guy around. The lack of sheer speed is something that could keep him out of the top 15 in the draft depending on whether or not teams are willing to overlook it. He is a nice player, but doesn't really strike me as a can't-miss #1 NFL WR worthy of a top 10 draft pick.

Caught a little bit of USC/Hawaii. Robert Woods and Marqise Lee looked good. Lee missed a couple catchable balls, but overall appears to be the slightly better athlete of the two. I think he could be a pretty big time prospect come 2014. USC is gonna be really hard to beat this year. I think they have a good chance to play for the national championship based on the talent they have at their disposal. Silas Redd also looked good for them, Barkley was on the money, and their D looks pretty loaded. Even their tight ends are scary.

I set my DVR to record the Georgia/Buffalo game so I could see how Branden Oliver looked against a superior opponent, but for some reason it didn't record. Judging by the box score, he was bottled up for most of the game apart from a couple big carries. Still finished with 100+ yards, albeit at only 3.7 YPC. Not terrible given the talent gap between Buffalo and Georgia.

 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top