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Dynasty trade offer for Barkley + a WR? (1 Viewer)

JoeSteeler

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I Would give:

Chubb

ODB

for 

Barkley 

McLaurin, or one of his other WR*
 

other team has Hunt and is a huge Browns fan so I am hoping to get Barkley from him. Is there a fair offer?

*his Other WR are Diggs, Parker, and Golladay

This would give me a starting lineup of Ryan/Barkley/DJ Moore/Juju/McLaurin*/Kittle with L Bell, Dionte Johnson, Gallup, and H Hurst as my main bench options

16 team PPR dynasty, TE premium

thoughts?

 
I Would give:

Chubb

ODB

for 

Barkley 

McLaurin, or one of his other WR*
 

other team has Hunt and is a huge Browns fan so I am hoping to get Barkley from him. Is there a fair offer?

*his Other WR are Diggs, Parker, and Golladay

This would give me a starting lineup of Ryan/Barkley/DJ Moore/Juju/McLaurin*/Kittle with L Bell, Dionte Johnson, Gallup, and H Hurst as my main bench options

16 team PPR dynasty, TE premium

thoughts?
I doubt he would accept. Barkley would be a tough guy to pry away and honestly I dont have a high opinion of OBJ so the difference in receivers isnt that much for me. You might have a better chance with Parker but still I dont think he accepts

 
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As a Barkley owner I would consider this a fairly light offer, but probably not so bad that I'd laugh you off completely. Can't hurt to at least put it out there and see the response. If he is a big Browns homer he could value OBJ enough to give up a young WR in addition to Barkley.

 
agree with @acarey50 Try it and see what happens, what the counter is if any, etc.  If nothing else, you'll gain further intel on him...lol.  Losses and declined trades are useful knowledge.

If he declines, thrown in Tim Couch. That should do it. LOL

 
Agreed with the responses here. Chubb and OBJ are light for Barkley and Mclaurin --- Barkley is arguably #1 overall. Chubb is a mid rounder. Barkely is obvious on floor and upside. Chubb might be a little more subject. I personally like Chubb alot, he's been quarterback proof, coach proof and is in a rare situation where the other RB adds to Chubbs value for blocking and creating coverage challenges (I'm a big fantasy fan of Kareem Hunt, his main drawback was off the field issues and still paying for it, but given the opportunity / like a Chubb injury / could yield the same or better as Chubb). So, I like that mindset that a Hunt owneer would want to have Chubb on their team too. It's an incredible efficiency for fantasy to be able to play both the running backs from one team and still outperform the positions against most other fantasy teams. Chubb has a solid floor and massive upside just like barkely. The offense should be run first and all the situational elements are good for Chubb. Mclaurin is a rising star in a team system that is adding the right pieces for success with a coach who knows how to build a winning team in a relatively small market. OBJ might have the talent but the uncertainty on baker mayfields real talent level and uncertainty from his change of coach and the Brown's general propensity to get a lot less out of their players than their potential. Despite his ADP dropping, I believe his uncertainty further devalues the player. So, if the other fantasy manager is a novice, loves OBJ and is unaware of McClaurins rising value, you might be able to get it done. Realistically, my assumption is that if the other fantasy manager has a player on their team, they probably have a good sense of the upside of that player - its funny how most fantasy managers can see upside so much more easily than the risk of a player.

To try and make a hard trade happen, I feel it helps to try to consider how your opponent will consider the the value of the players.

You might ask "if we drafted today, where would those players go?" and then compare that value- so barkley 1 or 2 overall, chubb in middle of the 1st (tier jump), and obj to mcclaurin might be a round or two apart but OBJ is older, has a shorter shelf life and his situation is pretty risky, very uncertain. So, your opponent might be able to see this as a lose/lose...

You also might ask "what would it take for a poll of people to want to be 50/50 split on each side of the trade" and then add just enough to buy. Chances are its going to include picks. My personal opinion is adding a 1st is probably close to be a 50/50 split. Barkley is the biggest name. So adding a 1st and a second is probably going to be enough to tilt the scale.

Strategy on negotiation is something I've been developing. During the offseason we all have time. Ideally, you get the opposing fantasy manager to send you the trade you want instead of you sending the trade offer to them for acceptance. Getting there takes patience and a careful escalation of offers until you are just outside of what you are willing to pay. Take your time on offers, then counter offers (at least a day between unless you sense they are ready to make the deal now). If you are lucky, they'll buy for a little less than you were willing to pay as you carefully escalate the offers. But, don't send a bogus offer. The key is to send an offer that is an 80/20 no but someone might accept. Otherwise you risk coming off as a low baller and that hurts rapport / trust with the opposing fanatasy manager. Keep in mind that every rejection is one more "no" closer to "yes" and it takes alot of "no's" for most people to feel like they are confident they should be happy with the final outcome. Giving your opponent time to absorb what they turned down starts as an anchor of value. Adding to it slowly means they feel like they are getting more. This should help to build excitement for closing that final deal. When you are close to the maximum you would consider paying, try to ask in person, make a phone call, or use a direct message when you can't reach them. Compliment their team, emphasize what you are "giving them" (try to shy away on what you are taking), agree with anything they say in response (doesn't matter if they are right or wrong, most people don't feel good about being told they are wrong or that you know more than they do about fantasy because then they might question if they are getting a good deal) and then pivot to any new message that shows "why you are overpaying", finally, ask them "if we are close to a trade, what will it take to make a reasonable trade get it done for XXX and XXX". This technique is creating the question they will concentrate on answering. All of the previous work is a buildup to framing the single question you want them to answer - how much is the lowest amount (without asking). Encourage the opposing fantasy manager to send the trade offer so you can review. The idea is you want them to send the offer so you aren't sending the 12th offer waiting on them to take the action as they pour over google trying to figure out if its good for them... too often, fantasy managers are willing to look at offers but aren't willing to accept. So, to make it easier for them, need to help them send to you. If their trade offer is too much to pay, communicate back what makes sense to close the deal (face to face, phone or direct message) and emphasize that if they send it that you would strongly consider accepting - the hope is that they already have their mind made up and they feel that they are the ones putting foward something more than you ever offered them. I have this theory that if it was the other way around and you send them the exact same offer, they would hesitate or indefinitely hold off just because you sent it to them instead of them sending to you... so hope all this helps - good luck and hope you get it done!

 
For me, this is simple.  I would not accept your offer.  you would have to not want to get another player back...  Barkley for Chubb, ODB...might get a nibble.  For me, even this would produce a no as I am not a fan of ODB. 

 
Looking to get back a WR in the deal is probably the deal breaker.  Barkley is better than Chubb due to situation and OBJ's value is pretty much rock bottom for him.  If you really want Barkley then don't ask for the WR return (unless you know that guy is an OBJ believer - but there aren't many).  Try and see what happens. 

 

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