Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (12 Viewers)

[Gally]

I don’t understand some people. You paid a 1st and this yambag doesn’t want to even offer you what you paid?

It's irrelevant what draft pick was used to acquire a player back in May-August. What matters is information and what has happened since he has actually been on an NFL field.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

What's the value of Hurts in a start 1 QB league ... 1 1st Round Pick or would you have to go to 2 1sts to get him?

QB situation suck and Hurts owner willing to deal, but wants 2 1sts.

I can't see a situation where I'd give 2 1sts for ANY QB in a 1QB league. MAYBE for Josh Allen if the 1sts are late?

Both 1sts are late .. Only considering as I am a strong contender and have Dak to win it for me with Daniels out.

I’d stick with Dak. He should be plenty. I agree with @InDitkaWeTrust - no QB is worth 2 1sts in a 1 QB format. And you have plenty in Dak to win it all.

I will live with Dak and have Brissett just in case until or IF Daniels comes back. DJones owner has to start him with Purdy and Burrows out and Stafford owner starting him over Mahomes and Love.. should have jumped on offer to get Stafford weeks ago but both Daniels and Dak were healthy at the time.

 

[JoeJoe88]

I don’t understand some people. You paid a 1st and this yambag doesn’t want to even offer you what you paid?

It's irrelevant what draft pick was used to acquire a player back in May-August. What matters is information and what has happened since he has actually been on an NFL field.

This is true, though I see no reason why anyone would be panic selling Loveland. I know I wasn’t expecting an immediate impact from him given his off-season injury and the crowded offense in Chicago. We’ve also already seen flashes of the player he can be, and those flashes have been extremely promising. I’d be buying for a 1st all day in dynasty.

 

[Don Quixote]

Another Superflex dump trade:

Traded Jacoby Brissett and received 2026 3rd round pick, Courtland Sutton, and $75 auction dollars.

Probably won’t spend the auction dollars, but, whatever, it was included in the offer to me — maybe I can flip. I think I would taken just a 3rd or Sutton alone for Brissett.

ETA: Alright - flipped the $75 for a 2026 5th.

 

[Gally]

I don’t understand some people. You paid a 1st and this yambag doesn’t want to even offer you what you paid?

It's irrelevant what draft pick was used to acquire a player back in May-August. What matters is information and what has happened since he has actually been on an NFL field.

This is true, though I see no reason why anyone would be panic selling Loveland. I know I wasn’t expecting an immediate impact from him given his off-season injury and the crowded offense in Chicago. We’ve also already seen flashes of the player he can be, and those flashes have been extremely promising. I’d be buying for a 1st all day in dynasty.

I wasn't speaking to the specific trade or offer. I just am not a fan of trade partners referencing what they spent on a player months or years ago as a way to justify their cost. The initial cost is irrelevant once more information has happened on the field.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

I don’t understand some people. You paid a 1st and this yambag doesn’t want to even offer you what you paid?

It's irrelevant what draft pick was used to acquire a player back in May-August. What matters is information and what has happened since he has actually been on an NFL field.

This is true, though I see no reason why anyone would be panic selling Loveland. I know I wasn’t expecting an immediate impact from him given his off-season injury and the crowded offense in Chicago. We’ve also already seen flashes of the player he can be, and those flashes have been extremely promising. I’d be buying for a 1st all day in dynasty.

I wasn't speaking to the specific trade or offer. I just am not a fan of trade partners referencing what they spent on a player months or years ago as a way to justify their cost. The initial cost is irrelevant once more information has happened on the field.

Amen... values fluctuate weekly. The joys of selling high and buying low!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don’t understand some people. You paid a 1st and this yambag doesn’t want to even offer you what you paid?

It's irrelevant what draft pick was used to acquire a player back in May-August. What matters is information and what has happened since he has actually been on an NFL field.

Sure but nothing bad has happened.

I disagree that it’s “irrelevant” - it’s totally relevant since that was the acquisition cost. If the player hasn’t been devalued, they should command similar value. If they’ve outperformed their draft position, even better.

In this specific deal, the player is worth at least their initial cost, thus my response.

It’s not like a car where the minute you drive it off the lot it’s devalued by 30%, yet that other owner’s opening salvo seemed light considering acquisition cost.

Anyway, we can agree to disagree here. In general, I agree that draft capital is sunk costs & shouldn’t really matter. But in this specific case, it’s a player who was just drafted, so I see no reason to sell for less.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don’t understand some people. You paid a 1st and this yambag doesn’t want to even offer you what you paid?

It's irrelevant what draft pick was used to acquire a player back in May-August. What matters is information and what has happened since he has actually been on an NFL field.

This is true, though I see no reason why anyone would be panic selling Loveland. I know I wasn’t expecting an immediate impact from him given his off-season injury and the crowded offense in Chicago. We’ve also already seen flashes of the player he can be, and those flashes have been extremely promising. I’d be buying for a 1st all day in dynasty.

I wasn't speaking to the specific trade or offer. I just am not a fan of trade partners referencing what they spent on a player months or years ago as a way to justify their cost. The initial cost is irrelevant once more information has happened on the field.

Amen... values fluctuate weekly. The joys of selling high and buying low!

Larry David eh

 

[Gally]

Anyway, we can agree to disagree here. In general, I agree that draft capital is sunk costs & shouldn’t really matter. But in this specific case, it’s a player who was just drafted, so I see no reason to sell for less.

Loveland has a value based on how he has performed and the expectation on his development based on what he has done on the field. I agree that he hasn't "lost value" based on his performance but where he was drafted in a rookie draft has little to no impact on what that value is. I would say taking a TE in a rookie draft in the first round is reaching and virtually no TE is worth drafting in the first round of a rookie draft (TE premium excepted).

Now you can evaluate him today as being a 1st round value but that has nothing to do with where he was actually drafted.

 

[BespokeJort]

Anyway, we can agree to disagree here. In general, I agree that draft capital is sunk costs & shouldn’t really matter. But in this specific case, it’s a player who was just drafted, so I see no reason to sell for less.

Loveland has a value based on how he has performed and the expectation on his development based on what he has done on the field. I agree that he hasn't "lost value" based on his performance but where he was drafted in a rookie draft has little to no impact on what that value is. I would say taking a TE in a rookie draft in the first round is reaching and virtually no TE is worth drafting in the first round of a rookie draft (TE premium excepted).

Now you can evaluate him today as being a 1st round value but that has nothing to do with where he was actually drafted.

I mean, that’s 100% true in theory but also you will generally never get a guy sending offers well below recent acquisition cost without anything bad happening. So the value you’re talking about doesn’t matter any more than the acquisition cost does; less if you actually want to acquire the player.

Nobody’s giving up a TE they just took in the 1st for a 2nd based on “it’s a reach to take a TE in the 1st,” true or not

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Anyway, we can agree to disagree here. In general, I agree that draft capital is sunk costs & shouldn’t really matter. But in this specific case, it’s a player who was just drafted, so I see no reason to sell for less.

Loveland has a value based on how he has performed and the expectation on his development based on what he has done on the field. I agree that he hasn't "lost value" based on his performance but where he was drafted in a rookie draft has little to no impact on what that value is. I would say taking a TE in a rookie draft in the first round is reaching and virtually no TE is worth drafting in the first round of a rookie draft (TE premium excepted).

Now you can evaluate him today as being a 1st round value but that has nothing to do with where he was actually drafted.

I mean, that’s 100% true in theory but also you will generally never get a guy sending offers well below recent acquisition cost without anything bad happening. So the value you’re talking about doesn’t matter any more than the acquisition cost does; less if you actually want to acquire the player.

Nobody’s giving up a TE they just took in the 1st for a 2nd based on “it’s a reach to take a TE in the 1st,” true or not

This, 100%. That’s exactly why I made the analogy to a new car.

Again, *in general* I agree with Gally about draft capital vs present value. But when we’re talking about a dude at a premium position who was just drafted at that cost, there’s zero reason to take less for him, especially after he’s proved that he can produce for FF.

I find the part about “never take a TE with a 1st round pick” a little ironic, as it’s basically saying “well I wouldn’t pay that so he’s not worth that”, which is a bit of magical thinking. I’d say that’s every bit of a logical disconnect as sunk cost fallacy.

Imma have to try that next time I’m trying to buy on someone’s highly drafted asset, “hey, I know you paid a 1st for Gibbs but I would never pay a 1st for a RB, so I’ll offer you 2x 2nds. Deal?”

Cmon man. lol