Dynasty Wr #18 ranking (1 Viewer)

[Biabreakable]

These are consensus dynasty rankings for year 2007 standard FBGs scoring no PPR

If you vote other, please specify.

Also, please comment on your vote, and list any player that should be nominated for the next round.

I like the chatter going on so lets keep that going as we vote. Discussion about why you prefer one of these players compared to the others is useful to everyone involved and offers insight into how people in your leagues may view these players compared to others.

gheemony made a great point about one way to consider dynasty value for players in rankings by giving 50% value to 2007, 33% to 2008, and 17% to 2009. I know there are many ways to look at this and how hard it is to project for players even for one year. But I think it is significant enough that its worth mentioning. I am sure everyone has a different formula that they might use. But this one to me has some good balance and makes a lot of sense. And now has become a topic of discussion in this thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=296123&hl= I welcome you all to read this and offer your perspectives on methods you use in determining where to rank players in dynasty leagues.

1. Steve Smith 5/12/1979

2. Chad Johnson 1/9/1978

3. Larry Fitzgerald 8/31/1983

4. Torry Holt 6/5/1976

5. Reggie Wayne 11/17/1978

6. Roy Williams 12/20/1981

7. Anquan Boldin 10/3/1980

8. Andre Johnson 7/11/1981

9. Javon Walker 10/14/1978

10. Marques Colston 6/5/1983

11. Terrell Owens 12/7/1973

12. Darrell Jackson 12/6/1978

13. Lee Evans 3/11/1981

14. Marvin Harrison 8/25/1972

15. TJ Houshmandzadeh 9/26/1977

16. Braylon Edwards 2/21/1983

17. Calvin Johnson

18. Plaxico Burress 8/12/1977

 

[cstu]

Chambers if Martz is the coach.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Went Santana close is Randy Moss depending on his new situation/

 

[Biabreakable]

Chambers if Martz is the coach.

It is not looking like Martz will be coaching for the fish.It is hard for me to imagine a scenario where Chambers would get more targets than he has been. Perhaps a more accurate Qb could make a difference for him. I don't see his catching getting better.

 

[wannabee]

I went with Plax here. He should get a lot of targets with Tiki gone

 

[x260bm]

I went with Driver. Looks like he will be underrated for the 4th year in a row.

 

[Biabreakable]

I think Plax and Driver are better choices than Edwards was.

 

[Biabreakable]

Plax and Santana Moss leading the pack.

 

[Biabreakable]

It is begining to appear that all hope is lost for Randy Moss.

 

[-OZ-]

It is begining to appear that all hope is lost for Randy Moss.

that, or he is now an insane value play.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Here are two 6 year career stat lines:

games, rushes, yds, yds/rush, rush TD, rec, rec yards, rec TDs

81 34 206 6.1 0 290 4689 16.2 34

77 28 167 6.0 2 344 4925 14.3 30

One was voted the #1 dynasty receiver (Steve Smith). The other has not been selected yet (Santana Moss). The similarities between these two guys are astounding. Both are game-breakers. They both have had one bad injury that resulted in the loss of a year. They are both "undersized", but are willing (and able) to work the middle (with maybe an edge to Smith). Both have excellent deep speed (with maybe an Edge to Moss). Both are the #1 target on their teams. They are within a month of each other in age (very slight edge to Moss). Smith has had slightly better teams/QBs supporting him.

Yet Smith is rated currently 17 slots ahead of Moss and may be pushed to at least 18.

Does anyone else feel like this doesn't make sense?

 

[Biabreakable]

You make a good point Holy Schneikes and Campbell looks to be an upgrade at Qb from Brunell as well.

I could argue a lot of the WRs ranked allready against S. Moss but definitly not all of them. I thought the Braylon Edwards votes were especialy bad.

 

[-OZ-]

You make a good point Holy Schneikes and Campbell looks to be an upgrade at Qb from Brunell as well.

Sure, their career #s are close, but when you look at their last 3 healthy seasons, does this look close?2004 New York Jets 45 / 838 5 2005 Washington Redskins 84 / 1483 / 9 2006 Washington Redskins 55 / 790 / 62003 Carolina Panthers 88 / 1110 / 72005 Carolina Panthers 103 / 1563 / 12 2006 Carolina Panthers 83 / 1166 / 8 2005 was a great year for both, but SS is simply much more consistent. Now, assuming the statement is simply SMoss is underrated without comparing him to SS, maybe. But, Plaxico is still in this poll. his #s since 2001:378 / 6093 / 39; better than either of them. Many would argue Eli is a better QB than Campbell, at least potentially.Maybe both should be above Braylon and CJ, but that's a judgment call on valuing young potential.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

You make a good point Holy Schneikes and Campbell looks to be an upgrade at Qb from Brunell as well.

Sure, their career #s are close, but when you look at their last 3 healthy seasons, does this look close?2004 New York Jets 45 / 838 5 2005 Washington Redskins 84 / 1483 / 9 2006 Washington Redskins 55 / 790 / 62003 Carolina Panthers 88 / 1110 / 72005 Carolina Panthers 103 / 1563 / 12 2006 Carolina Panthers 83 / 1166 / 8 2005 was a great year for both, but SS is simply much more consistent. Now, assuming the statement is simply SMoss is underrated without comparing him to SS, maybe. But, Plaxico is still in this poll. his #s since 2001:378 / 6093 / 39; better than either of them. Many would argue Eli is a better QB than Campbell, at least potentially.Maybe both should be above Braylon and CJ, but that's a judgment call on valuing young potential.

Sure, when you cherry pick by eliminating Moss's 2nd best season, it doesn't look as good. But you can always do that. That's why I chose the whole careers since they both have six years and both lost one to injury. Can't really get a better comparison than that.Plax is older, and only has better numbers over the last 6 years because he didn't miss a season like the other two. I'm also not sure where he fits going forward. Will he still be a focal point of the offense in 2007? Don't get me wrong, he's a decent candidate here. But on youth and potential, I'd easily go with Moss over Burress.

 

[-OZ-]

You make a good point Holy Schneikes and Campbell looks to be an upgrade at Qb from Brunell as well.

Sure, their career #s are close, but when you look at their last 3 healthy seasons, does this look close?2004 New York Jets 45 / 838 5 2005 Washington Redskins 84 / 1483 / 9 2006 Washington Redskins 55 / 790 / 62003 Carolina Panthers 88 / 1110 / 72005 Carolina Panthers 103 / 1563 / 12 2006 Carolina Panthers 83 / 1166 / 8 2005 was a great year for both, but SS is simply much more consistent. Now, assuming the statement is simply SMoss is underrated without comparing him to SS, maybe. But, Plaxico is still in this poll. his #s since 2001:378 / 6093 / 39; better than either of them. Many would argue Eli is a better QB than Campbell, at least potentially.Maybe both should be above Braylon and CJ, but that's a judgment call on valuing young potential.

Sure, when you cherry pick by eliminating Moss's 2nd best season, it doesn't look as good. But you can always do that. That's why I chose the whole careers since they both have six years and both lost one to injury. Can't really get a better comparison than that.Plax is older, and only has better numbers over the last 6 years because he didn't miss a season like the other two. I'm also not sure where he fits going forward. Will he still be a focal point of the offense in 2007? Don't get me wrong, he's a decent candidate here. But on youth and potential, I'd easily go with Moss over Burress.

I didn't intend to "cherry pick", I usually look at the previous 3 years when evaluating players. Might be arbitrary, but it's what I use.Your question seemed to indicate you think Santana is close to SS's value. It isn't close. Plax is less than 2 years older than Santana. (FWIW, I voted Santana here, just being devil's advocate) But he is worth quite a bit less than Smith. This might be too low, but not by much.

 

[Seymour Corn]

I like Moss in this spot.