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Eagles plan to rotate Westbrook, McCoy (1 Viewer)

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Eagles coach Andy Reid suggested Monday that he would have a running back rotation with Brian Westbrook and LeSean McCoy going forward.

"I think that will take place," Reid said. "[McCoy] will rotate in there. I don't know what the rotation will be, but we'll work him in there and see how it goes." The Eagles offense didn't miss a beat with McCoy replacing Westbrook on Sunday, and Reid will want to keep his brittle veteran healthy for the long haul. Starting in Week 5, expect to see McCoy with 10-15 touches weekly instead of just handful. Sep. 28 - 12:48 pm et

Source: Brian Seltzer on Twitter

Do you believe it?

 
This is now a real headache owning both. Who do you play? I mean it was nice being able to insert McCoy in there knowing Westy was out but with both playing it's kinda tough to start one of them if you have someone else that is going to get more work.

 
"You never know what's going to happen," Reid said. "We're given an address and a time to show up. Most Sundays we end up at a professional football stadium. There's usually another team there so we figure what the heck? Let's play some football. Then our guys just kind of go out on the field and do whatever it is they do. I hear one of them is named McCoy. But don't ask me. I have nothing to do with it."

 
This is now a real headache owning both. Who do you play? I mean it was nice being able to insert McCoy in there knowing Westy was out but with both playing it's kinda tough to start one of them if you have someone else that is going to get more work.
westbrook will get hurt again. problem solved
 
"You never know what's going to happen," Reid said. "We're given an address and a time to show up. Most Sundays we end up at a professional football stadium. There's usually another team there so we figure what the heck? Let's play some football. Then our guys just kind of go out on the field and do whatever it is they do. I hear one of them is named McCoy. But don't ask me. I have nothing to do with it."
:lmao:
 
Do you believe it?
Absolutely. Westy is always banged up so why not go with a committee. For the most part the days of a single back taking all the carries are gone. It just makes sense to rotate guys in and out to keep everybody fresh and healthier. I think this actually helps Westy's value, and for those that picked up McCoy :lmao:
 
Do you believe it?
Absolutely. Westy is always banged up so why not go with a committee. For the most part the days of a single back taking all the carries are gone. It just makes sense to rotate guys in and out to keep everybody fresh and healthier. I think this actually helps Westy's value, and for those that picked up McCoy :wub:
Agreed. 15-20 touches a game should be fine to have good RB2 value for Westbrook, will keep him fresh and healthier. Never understood why they didnt use CBuck in that fashion in the past.
 
Do you believe it?
Absolutely. Westy is always banged up so why not go with a committee. For the most part the days of a single back taking all the carries are gone. It just makes sense to rotate guys in and out to keep everybody fresh and healthier. I think this actually helps Westy's value, and for those that picked up McCoy :thumbup:
Agreed. 15-20 touches a game should be fine to have good RB2 value for Westbrook, will keep him fresh and healthier. Never understood why they didnt use CBuck in that fashion in the past.
In general, I agree with both your line of thinking. If Westbrook is still getting 15 looks minimum, he can remain very productive most weeks. Not RB1 productive, necessarily, but still productive.And if McCoy starts getting 10-12 touches consistently.....if I owned both I'd may just consider starting the two of them, depending on their matchups vs. the rest of my roster at the flex spot, in a given week. The Eagles' offense is GOOD.

 
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Eagles coach Andy Reid suggested Monday that he would have a running back rotation with Brian Westbrook and LeSean McCoy going forward."I think that will take place," Reid said. "[McCoy] will rotate in there. I don't know what the rotation will be, but we'll work him in there and see how it goes." The Eagles offense didn't miss a beat with McCoy replacing Westbrook on Sunday, and Reid will want to keep his brittle veteran healthy for the long haul. Starting in Week 5, expect to see McCoy with 10-15 touches weekly instead of just handful. Sep. 28 - 12:48 pm etSource: Brian Seltzer on Twitter Do you believe it?
He was getting touches even before Westbrook got hurt. He got 9 & 10 touches weeks 1 and 2 and Westbrook had 16 touches each week. I don't think he will see anymore of a split than that.
 
Eagles coach Andy Reid suggested Monday that he would have a running back rotation with Brian Westbrook and LeSean McCoy going forward."I think that will take place," Reid said. "[McCoy] will rotate in there. I don't know what the rotation will be, but we'll work him in there and see how it goes." The Eagles offense didn't miss a beat with McCoy replacing Westbrook on Sunday, and Reid will want to keep his brittle veteran healthy for the long haul. Starting in Week 5, expect to see McCoy with 10-15 touches weekly instead of just handful. Sep. 28 - 12:48 pm etSource: Brian Seltzer on Twitter Do you believe it?
He was getting touches even before Westbrook got hurt. He got 9 & 10 touches weeks 1 and 2 and Westbrook had 16 touches each week. I don't think he will see anymore of a split than that.
I agree, but I've seen in the past where Westbrook is ran into the ground when he's healthy. I'm not 100% convinced it will be close to 50/50 or even 60/40 if Westbrook is healthy. I hope it is, because I own McCoy and not Westbrook.
 
Agreed. 15-20 touches a game should be fine to have good RB2 value for Westbrook, will keep him fresh and healthier. Never understood why they didnt use CBuck in that fashion in the past.
This is the EXACT problem with Reid's statement.Why?Because every year he'd talk about needing to spell Westbrook more and get Buckhalter more touches. Then the game starts, and the time share plans go right out the window.But I do think it's different this time. Westy is older, and McCoy provides a more transparent option than CBuck. They now HAVE to conserve Westbrook.And they don't (for the most part) need to look at a different set of plays for McCoy. That was usually the big hangup before, as they were in a rhythm on offense and didn't want to change things up. With Shady, he's BWest Lite. Health being the major factor, they'll both get touches, but I'd look at a 65/35 or 70/30 split, unless the outcome of the game is decided.
 
Do you believe it?
Absolutely. Westy is always banged up so why not go with a committee. For the most part the days of a single back taking all the carries are gone. It just makes sense to rotate guys in and out to keep everybody fresh and healthier. I think this actually helps Westy's value, and for those that picked up McCoy :goodposting:
Agreed. 15-20 touches a game should be fine to have good RB2 value for Westbrook, will keep him fresh and healthier. Never understood why they didnt use CBuck in that fashion in the past.
Incentive bogeys. For sure.But as a Westy owner in several leagues I like this. He will still be a viable RB2 no question and will be fresh. I see easily 15-20 touches for Westy and McCoy spelling him. McCoy looked good as well. But the real test comes when they play the likes of New York, Dallas etc.

 
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What I find interesting is that McCoy was not featured in the passing game this week with Kolb in the lineup. That limits his value moving forward IMO. We should not assume just because Westbrook gets 60-70 receptions a year that McCoy will get the same. He seemed to be used a bit differently this week, which is interesting given how similar the two players are.

 
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What I find interesting is that McCoy was not featured in the passing game this week with Kolb in the lineup. That limits his value moving forward IMO. We should not assume just because Westbrook gets 60-70 receptions a year that McCoy will get the same. He seemed to be used a bit differently this week, which is interesting given how similar the two players are.
I think that was more a function of the KC defense then the Philly offense. Also (to a leser extent) Kolb, who is not afraid to pass into a tight space and doesn't check down as quickly. McCoy will catch plenty of balls in this offense, especially when McNabb is at QB.
 
Native said:
What I find interesting is that McCoy was not featured in the passing game this week with Kolb in the lineup. That limits his value moving forward IMO. We should not assume just because Westbrook gets 60-70 receptions a year that McCoy will get the same. He seemed to be used a bit differently this week, which is interesting given how similar the two players are.
I think that was more a function of the KC defense then the Philly offense. Also (to a leser extent) Kolb, who is not afraid to pass into a tight space and doesn't check down as quickly. McCoy will catch plenty of balls in this offense, especially when McNabb is at QB.
:unsure: You check down more when you have more pressure on you. Kolb basically said he wasn't touched all day by the KC defense so there was no need to check down.
 
Native said:
What I find interesting is that McCoy was not featured in the passing game this week with Kolb in the lineup. That limits his value moving forward IMO. We should not assume just because Westbrook gets 60-70 receptions a year that McCoy will get the same. He seemed to be used a bit differently this week, which is interesting given how similar the two players are.
I think that was more a function of the KC defense then the Philly offense. Also (to a leser extent) Kolb, who is not afraid to pass into a tight space and doesn't check down as quickly. McCoy will catch plenty of balls in this offense, especially when McNabb is at QB.
:confused: You check down more when you have more pressure on you. Kolb basically said he wasn't touched all day by the KC defense so there was no need to check down.
Plus, KC is extremely vulnerable in the middle of the field on pass defense. Kolb proved it again last week. No need to check it off to the RB when KC can't cover downfield.
 
Native said:
What I find interesting is that McCoy was not featured in the passing game this week with Kolb in the lineup. That limits his value moving forward IMO. We should not assume just because Westbrook gets 60-70 receptions a year that McCoy will get the same. He seemed to be used a bit differently this week, which is interesting given how similar the two players are.
I think that was more a function of the KC defense then the Philly offense. Also (to a leser extent) Kolb, who is not afraid to pass into a tight space and doesn't check down as quickly. McCoy will catch plenty of balls in this offense, especially when McNabb is at QB.
:wall: You check down more when you have more pressure on you. Kolb basically said he wasn't touched all day by the KC defense so there was no need to check down.
Plus, KC is extremely vulnerable in the middle of the field on pass defense. Kolb proved it again last week. No need to check it off to the RB when KC can't cover downfield.
No pressure + gaping holes in the secondary = no passes to the RB
 
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles...k_can_t_go.html

McCoy provides insurance option for Eagles if Westbrook can't go

By LES BOWEN

Philadelphia Daily News

bowenl@phillynews.com

THERE WAS a time when what Andy Reid said yesterday would have sent Eagle Nation into a panic. Maybe it still should; maybe, if the 2009 season disappoints, this will be remembered as a watershed moment.

Reid was asked if he is concerned that even if Brian Westbrook's ankle swelling goes away, as the coach expects, and Westbrook returns to action when the Eagles come back from the bye on Oct. 11, could this become a continuing pattern? Westbrook didn't play at all in the preseason, as his ankle healed from surgery. He came out of the opener early, to guard against injury. Then he was less than 20 touches into Game 2 before he sprained his repaired right ankle - an injury Reid seemed fairly confident late last week would not keep Westbrook out of Sunday's Kansas City game. But it did, when, as Reid acknowledged, Westbrook's improvement stalled.

"We'll see how it goes here. I don't get into all that. I know we've got other players here too that can play," Reid said. "We'll just see how he does. This could be a one-time thing or it could come up again. I'm not too worried about that."

Any year before this one, Reid would have been plenty worried "about that." The reason he isn't sweating this time wears No. 29. LeSean McCoy's 20 carries for 84 yards and the rookie's first NFL touchdown Sunday reminded fans at times of the way Westbrook used to look out there, not so long ago, cutting and bobbing and dipping.

Of course, looking spry against Kansas City does not make McCoy a Westbrook equivalent, any more than Kevin Kolb's strong performance made him the equal of Donovan McNabb. But McCoy is the only runner the Eagles have had during the Westbrook era whom the coaches feel they can plug in and run the same stuff they run with Westbrook. They never felt that way about Correll Buckhalter, a bigger back who was a slashing, talented runner, with more of a straight-ahead style.

Reid ruminated yesterday on a popular newspaper and talk-show topic from 2008, why the heck Buckhalter couldn't get more than a handful of carries per game with Westbrook obviously hobbled by knee and ankle problems. Reid gets the NFL stats; he knows that Buckhalter has 230 yards on just 31 carries for the Broncos this season, 7.4 yards per carry.

"It's not tough," Reid said, when asked if it was hard to split the work between two backs. "That can be done. I think this game helped with LeSean, just to see where he was at with the [pass] protections. I thought he did a nice job with that. That's always a concern with certain guys. We can do that. I need to do a better job of that. I should have done it with Buck, obviously, he's up in Denver gaining 100 yards every week, probably should have had him play a little bit more."

One of the best things McCoy did Sunday was run from the Wildcat, taking the shotgun snap. How did the coaches know he could do that so well? They really didn't, McCoy explained afterward. They'd put that package in for Westbrook, thinking No. 36 would play. On Saturday, when it was decided that Westbrook couldn't go, the package just shifted over to McCoy.

McCoy might not be a better NFL runner than Buckhalter right now - he still carries the ball away from his body too often, even when he's concentrating on taking care of it, as he said he was Sunday - but he does a better Westbrook impression, it seems.

"These two are very similar in a lot of things they can do, LeSean and Brian," Reid noted. "You can flex LeSean out; we haven't had a lot backs that can do that part. It should make it easier [to use both]. I just have to do a little bit better job when they're both healthy, doing that."

Westbrook hasn't spoken to the assembled media since right after the New Orleans game. The Eagles have said he will talk again when he returns to practice. He has given a few broadcast interviews, but he really hasn't addressed at length how he feels about his future, his ongoing role.

Westbrook, who turned 30 earlier this month, fought hard to become a featured back. That didn't happen until 2004. His 2005 season was curtailed by a foot injury. If this turns out to be the beginning of the end for him, he has a right to feel shortchanged by fate. Three more or less healthy seasons as a full-time starter isn't a long "prime."

Given all that, how will Westbrook react if Reid decides the thing to do is split the carries, to develop McCoy and to try to cut down on the risk to Westbrook? This was the mind-set Westbrook fought so hard against, the one he reveled in defeating in 2007, when he was the Eagles' offense, with 1,333 rushing yards on 278 carries and 90 catches for another 771 yards.

At the time, lots of people said he might never again equal those numbers. They meant it as a tribute to the heights Westbrook had reached, not as a prediction of premature aging.
 

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