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Eagles/Rams Trade - Snap Reaction Poll (1 Viewer)

Who got the better of this deal?

  • Eagles

    Votes: 16 10.2%
  • Rams

    Votes: 141 89.8%

  • Total voters
    157

Bob Magaw

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Eagles give up Nick Foles, 2015 fourth and 2016 second.

Rams give up Sam Bradford and 2015 fifth.

* Conditional pick: IF Bradford plays less than 50% of the snaps, Rams give up a 2016 fourth, if Bradford is injured and doesn't play at all, Rams give up a 2016 third (if Bradford plays more than 50% of the snaps, Rams give up no further draft pick compensation).

 
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I was prompted by a poll request in the trade or Eagles thread.

It might be fun to revisit if Bradford becomes a star under Chip?

 
I still think Bradford has big potential and talent. I don't think much of Foles at all.

 
If Bradford can stay healthy he is a superstar. Eagles win hands down. If he tears an acl/needs labrum/rotator cuff surgery the Rams win. Make no mistake Bradford is twice as good as Foles all things equal.

 
Who the hell voted Eagles? Are you just trolling or plain stupid? Even if this was a move to get Mariota, Fisher bent Kelly over and said yea you like that don't you.

 
If Bradford can stay healthy he is a superstar. Eagles win hands down. If he tears an acl/needs labrum/rotator cuff surgery the Rams win. Make no mistake Bradford is twice as good as Foles all things equal.
He's so good that Foles has better stats in 3 seasons than Bradford does in 5 for a lot more money.

 
I can completely understand why Eagles fans would be distraught (especially if Bradford is reinjured). As someone who owns him in a few dynasty leagues, I'm very curious and hopeful about what he can do in PHI IF (obviously huge if) healthy, assuming Chip Kelly is around for a while.

 
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Given the terms, the only possible way the Eagles win this trade would be if we later find out the Rams ate Bradford's salary cap hit this year. The Rams losing the financial alone was worth the rest of the deal, getting Foles on top was just extra sprinkles.

 
Who the hell voted Eagles? Are you just trolling or plain stupid? Even if this was a move to get Mariota, Fisher bent Kelly over and said yea you like that don't you.
With all respect how do we know NFL values players the same as fans or FF players? Bradford is better than Foles on paper. NFL guys know that. Fans think 'BRADFORD SUX!!!!!!' because he's been injured and probably screwed a few FF dynasty owners. IOW some of the hate for QBs on this board (Flacco, Smith, Dalton) does match their relative value in the actual football league.

I'm not saying Chip didn't overpay. I'm just saying we can't assume he did based on common fan perception of Bradford (injury/disappointing 1st overall). That's not how NFL teams evaluate players.

 
Who the hell voted Eagles? Are you just trolling or plain stupid? Even if this was a move to get Mariota, Fisher bent Kelly over and said yea you like that don't you.
With all respect how do we know NFL values players the same as fans or FF players? Bradford is better than Foles on paper. NFL guys know that. Fans think 'BRADFORD SUX!!!!!!' because he's been injured and probably screwed a few FF dynasty owners. IOW some of the hate for QBs on this board (Flacco, Smith, Dalton) does match their relative value in the actual football league.

I'm not saying Chip didn't overpay. I'm just saying we can't assume he did based on common fan perception of Bradford (injury/disappointing 1st overall). That's not how NFL teams evaluate players.
Any one with eyes that can watch a football game can see Foles is better than Bradford. Oh his mechanics are better or he had a better arm in college, 6 ####### years ago! Guess what, Tom Brady's mechanics were #### and he had a terrible arm. He wins games. You know what Nick Foles does? Wins ####### games.

#### this bizarro world I live in where people actually think Sam Bradford is better than Nick Foles.

 
Who the hell voted Eagles? Are you just trolling or plain stupid? Even if this was a move to get Mariota, Fisher bent Kelly over and said yea you like that don't you.
With all respect how do we know NFL values players the same as fans or FF players? Bradford is better than Foles on paper. NFL guys know that. Fans think 'BRADFORD SUX!!!!!!' because he's been injured and probably screwed a few FF dynasty owners.IOW some of the hate for QBs on this board (Flacco, Smith, Dalton) does match their relative value in the actual football league.

I'm not saying Chip didn't overpay. I'm just saying we can't assume he did based on common fan perception of Bradford (injury/disappointing 1st overall). That's not how NFL teams evaluate players.
Good post.

The injury history is scary and can't be overlooked. But just today, Casserly on NFL Network (former GM at HOU, front office experience in WAS and/or SD?) noted Bradford was the most accurate top prospect he ever scouted/graded coming out of college. Didn't say best prospect period, but most accurate. Assume he is including former top QB prospects like Elway, Manning?

 
Who the hell voted Eagles? Are you just trolling or plain stupid? Even if this was a move to get Mariota, Fisher bent Kelly over and said yea you like that don't you.
With all respect how do we know NFL values players the same as fans or FF players? Bradford is better than Foles on paper. NFL guys know that. Fans think 'BRADFORD SUX!!!!!!' because he's been injured and probably screwed a few FF dynasty owners. IOW some of the hate for QBs on this board (Flacco, Smith, Dalton) does match their relative value in the actual football league.

I'm not saying Chip didn't overpay. I'm just saying we can't assume he did based on common fan perception of Bradford (injury/disappointing 1st overall). That's not how NFL teams evaluate players.
Any one with eyes that can watch a football game can see Foles is better than Bradford. Oh his mechanics are better or he had a better arm in college, 6 ####### years ago! Guess what, Tom Brady's mechanics were #### and he had a terrible arm. He wins games. You know what Nick Foles does? Wins ####### games. #### this bizarro world I live in where people actually think Sam Bradford is better than Nick Foles.
:lmao: it's ok people disagree sometimes.
 
Who the hell voted Eagles? Are you just trolling or plain stupid? Even if this was a move to get Mariota, Fisher bent Kelly over and said yea you like that don't you.
With all respect how do we know NFL values players the same as fans or FF players? Bradford is better than Foles on paper. NFL guys know that. Fans think 'BRADFORD SUX!!!!!!' because he's been injured and probably screwed a few FF dynasty owners. IOW some of the hate for QBs on this board (Flacco, Smith, Dalton) does match their relative value in the actual football league.

I'm not saying Chip didn't overpay. I'm just saying we can't assume he did based on common fan perception of Bradford (injury/disappointing 1st overall). That's not how NFL teams evaluate players.
Any one with eyes that can watch a football game can see Foles is better than Bradford. Oh his mechanics are better or he had a better arm in college, 6 ####### years ago! Guess what, Tom Brady's mechanics were #### and he had a terrible arm. He wins games. You know what Nick Foles does? Wins ####### games.

#### this bizarro world I live in where people actually think Sam Bradford is better than Nick Foles.
Bradford was better in high school, college and you will see, in the pros in Chip's O. Comparing that f'up of an O he was rookie of the year in to chip's makes you bizarro.
 
Who the hell voted Eagles? Are you just trolling or plain stupid? Even if this was a move to get Mariota, Fisher bent Kelly over and said yea you like that don't you.
With all respect how do we know NFL values players the same as fans or FF players? Bradford is better than Foles on paper. NFL guys know that. Fans think 'BRADFORD SUX!!!!!!' because he's been injured and probably screwed a few FF dynasty owners. IOW some of the hate for QBs on this board (Flacco, Smith, Dalton) does match their relative value in the actual football league.

I'm not saying Chip didn't overpay. I'm just saying we can't assume he did based on common fan perception of Bradford (injury/disappointing 1st overall). That's not how NFL teams evaluate players.
Any one with eyes that can watch a football game can see Foles is better than Bradford. Oh his mechanics are better or he had a better arm in college, 6 ####### years ago! Guess what, Tom Brady's mechanics were #### and he had a terrible arm. He wins games. You know what Nick Foles does? Wins ####### games. #### this bizarro world I live in where people actually think Sam Bradford is better than Nick Foles.
Bradford was better in high school, college and you will see, in the pros in Chip's O. Comparing that f'up of an O he was rookie of the year in to chip's makes you bizarro.
Oh his rookie year that's all, well what about the other 4 years he's been in the league? What's his excuse then? Sucks or hurt cause that's what his done in the league. Except for one gloriously mediocre season where he went 21-13 for 3700 yards with a majestic 82.6 rating. It all came together for him then. His high school and college experience really shown through.

 
Rams:

- cleared a lot of cap space

- got a QB roughly as good as the QB they gave up, both in the last year of their deal

- got a 2nd

 
You're still comparing QB's without taking O's into account. But hey keep hating.
I'm seriously asking. Can you provide some link or something positive to read about Bradford?
quoting your post #1563 in the PHI thread.

@MikeClayNFL: Most-recent 16 games comp

Bradford: 356/594, 3,799 yds. 28 TD, 11 INT

Foles: 339/544, 4,225 yds, 29 TD, 12 INT

#Eagles #Rams

@MikeClayNFL: Bradford only made it 7 games in 2013, but he was on pace for a 32:9 TD:INT ratio (seriously). #Eagles

 
Rams:

- cleared a lot of cap space

- got a QB roughly as good as the QB they gave up, both in the last year of their deal

- got a 2nd
And apparently they upgraded their 5th this year to a 4th cause why the #### not? Kelly gave him everything else.

 
Who the hell voted Eagles? Are you just trolling or plain stupid? Even if this was a move to get Mariota, Fisher bent Kelly over and said yea you like that don't you.
With all respect how do we know NFL values players the same as fans or FF players? Bradford is better than Foles on paper. NFL guys know that. Fans think 'BRADFORD SUX!!!!!!' because he's been injured and probably screwed a few FF dynasty owners.IOW some of the hate for QBs on this board (Flacco, Smith, Dalton) does match their relative value in the actual football league.

I'm not saying Chip didn't overpay. I'm just saying we can't assume he did based on common fan perception of Bradford (injury/disappointing 1st overall). That's not how NFL teams evaluate players.
Any one with eyes that can watch a football game can see Foles is better than Bradford. Oh his mechanics are better or he had a better arm in college, 6 ####### years ago! Guess what, Tom Brady's mechanics were #### and he had a terrible arm. He wins games. You know what Nick Foles does? Wins ####### games.#### this bizarro world I live in where people actually think Sam Bradford is better than Nick Foles.
Bradford was better in high school, college and you will see, in the pros in Chip's O. Comparing that f'up of an O he was rookie of the year in to chip's makes you bizarro.
Oh his rookie year that's all, well what about the other 4 years he's been in the league? What's his excuse then? Sucks or hurt cause that's what his done in the league. Except for one gloriously mediocre season where he went 21-13 for 3700 yards with a majestic 82.6 rating. It all came together for him then. His high school and college experience really shown through.
I know, right? Why couldn't Bradford have taken Greg Salas and Joe Klopfenstein to the ProBowl? Why didn't Bradford have enough mobility to compensate for having Jason Smith and Jacob Bell blocking for him? Why couldn't he put up enough points to overcome his defense getting repeatedly gashed over and over?

This is a classic case of just looking at the wins and losses and thinking it tells the whole story. When the Rams drafted Bradford, they were !!!historically!!! bad. There wasn't a QB on the planet you could have dropped into that steaming pile and had it turn out well. Just as the team finally started to get some direction and turn the corner, Bradford looked like he was turning the corner as well... then the injuries cropped up.

Injuries are a concern. Between that and Bradford's unwillingness to renegotiate to an incentive-based contract, I get the trade. But a healthy Bradford absolutely decimates Foles. From a pure on-the-field standpoint, the Rams took a step back. They get more promise of stability and the means to sign more players and upgrade the rest of the team, but behind center the Rams aren't as good as they were.

 
Rams win this trade easily. Foles stats are impressive. Look at Bradford's yards per attempt (it's 6.3 for his career) and this will tell you all you need to know about him.

 
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Stats are almost meaningless without context.

Rams win this trade because they aren't winning anything this year with either QB, so saving $11M and picking up a 2nd rounder is great for them.

Philly loses on the surface, but we will see how it works out with Bradford. Problem might be that Philly is letting all their offensive weapons go, so they may not be playing for anything post season this year either, in which case they just dropped $11M and gave away a 2nd for nothing.

 
Rams win this trade easily. Foles stats are impressive. Look at Bradford's yards per attempt (it's 6.3 for his career) and this will tell you all you need to know about him.
That he was on a team with no O-line to get him time, WRs who were totally incapable of getting separation and Brian Schottenheimer as a coordinator?

 
Rams win this trade easily. Foles stats are impressive. Look at Bradford's yards per attempt (it's 6.3 for his career) and this will tell you all you need to know about him.
That he was on a team with no O-line to get him time, WRs who were totally incapable of getting separation and Brian Schottenheimer as a coordinator?
Did you see the eagles pass blocking last season? and bradford will be throwing to matthews who can only play the slot and all of his highlights are against LBs and the other a guy huff that couldnt sniff the field on offense and has 8 career catches. oh and riley cooper who lets face it will be completely invisible when asked to play as the #1 against a cb with a safety over the top. If they still had shady, maclin, and desean then yeah bradford would be stepping into a decent situation, but the WR core is horrible and kelly hasnt figured out TEs are allowed to catch passes in the NFL.

 
If Bradford can stay healthy he is a superstar. Eagles win hands down. If he tears an acl/needs labrum/rotator cuff surgery the Rams win. Make no mistake Bradford is twice as good as Foles all things equal.
He's so good that Foles has better stats in 3 seasons than Bradford does in 5 for a lot more money.
Switch their teams and who would have put up better stats?

 
If Bradford can stay healthy he is a superstar. Eagles win hands down. If he tears an acl/needs labrum/rotator cuff surgery the Rams win. Make no mistake Bradford is twice as good as Foles all things equal.
He's so good that Foles has better stats in 3 seasons than Bradford does in 5 for a lot more money.
Switch their teams and who would have put up better stats?
According to their track records so far, Nick Foles.

 
But ok, let's say for some stupid ### reason you can't evaluate a QB based on how he's looked in 5 years of his career. How could you possible say the Eagles "won" this trade? Even if Bradford is decent as a QB, you took on his salary, you gave up an extra 2nd rounder and you traded your current starter to get him. How is that a win? We didn't just get Peyton Manning here. We got SAM ####### BRADFORD!!!!!!

 
Bradford through 7 games in 2013 was a lot better than Foles through 10 in 2014. he's a former no. 1 overall pick for a reason. I agree they got screwed on the picks though.

It's not like Foles is a future Hall of Famer. If something clicks, maybe the other guy is something special.

 
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Bradford through 7 games in 2013 was a lot better than Foles through 10 in 2014. he's a former no. 1 overall pick for a reason. I agree they got screwed on the picks though.

It's not like Foles is a future Hall of Famer. If something clicks, maybe the other guy is something special.
Yes, Bradford was better but Foles was dealing with 3 injured starters on the OL.

 
Bradford through 7 games in 2013 was a lot better than Foles through 10 in 2014. he's a former no. 1 overall pick for a reason. I agree they got screwed on the picks though.

It's not like Foles is a future Hall of Famer. If something clicks, maybe the other guy is something special.
I must suck at evaluating quarterbacks as I like both of these guys quite a bit if they could just stay healthy. That will probably be the deciding factor in this trade over the long term, either guy plays 16 games and they could easily be in the pro bowl.

 
Foles had one good year with a great oline, Maclin, DeSean, Shady, Ertz and the keys to a system not many were ready for. Take away DeSean and two oline starters (still more talent than Bradford ever had) and he became very average. Bradford with nearly nothing was O rookie of the year and flashed Manning like talent.

Now I doubt Chip is near done with this roster and Bradford may never start in Philly. But if he does he'll win games like Foles did year 1 and you'll forget all about that second. Foles will be mediocre and Bradford will be a star.

 
If Bradford can stay healthy he is a superstar. Eagles win hands down. If he tears an acl/needs labrum/rotator cuff surgery the Rams win. Make no mistake Bradford is twice as good as Foles all things equal.
This. If both play 16 games I'll take Bradford. Foles has no pocket awareness, doesn't know how to move to avoid the rush and doesn't process the information he sees quick enough and he too has durability issues.

That being said, I have little faith Bradford can stay healthy.

 
Foles had one good year with a great oline, Maclin, DeSean, Shady, Ertz and the keys to a system not many were ready for. Take away DeSean and two oline starters (still more talent than Bradford ever had) and he became very average. Bradford with nearly nothing was O rookie of the year and flashed Manning like talent.

Now I doubt Chip is near done with this roster and Bradford may never start in Philly. But if he does he'll win games like Foles did year 1 and you'll forget all about that second. Foles will be mediocre and Bradford will be a star.
And even if all you said is true, this trade is still a landslide for the Rams. It would have been a lot to give a 2nd and an upgrade 4th for Bradford but he threw in a starting NFL QB as an after thought. "Hey you want this? I was going to get rid of it anyway."

 
Bear in mind that this trade is not a simple case of a player changing zip codes and suddenly resurrecting his career. The major knock on Bradford is that he canNOT stay healthy. Changing

zip codes isn't going to fix the fact that he's Mr. Glass.

 
And let me add that the Eagles don't exactly have a great O-line, so I'd be pretty scared if I were an Eagles fan.

 
There's confirmed reports others wanted Bradford. It's not like he just started giving stuff away. And he signed his backup QB so Foles was a moveable commodity. .

 
Bradford has all the tools and lacks the production people want. I love the guy as a prospect and will point out he's had arguably the weakest WR corps in the NFL each of his years in the NFL and his line early on but....in the NFL I think people consider everything an excuse and simply want production regardless.

Foles is very curious because it's quite uncommon for an NFL team to NOT want a guy that played so well in his second year. Chip was showing interest in Locker and Sanchez as replacements. That is an unusual negative there and stark comparison to what we saw as a rook. Definitely makes ya wonder if there's anything we don't know.

I think it's very possible both reap huge benefits of being in a new environment.

I would guess Chip considers Foles hot or cold and what drives him nuts is the cold weeks. They really should be better if he's a top passer in a top system (as Chip wants). Under 200 yards for the game, couple INTs, less than 50% completion percentage. I figure during these "off" weeks coaches want a certain amount of production as a bottom line and they'll find a way to win. That can't be enough for Kelly to feel comfy with. His ego- It seems like Kelly considers Foles hot weeks just a part of his system and like he's not getting the love we usually give QBs who produce well.

I do see the whole trade Bradford for Mariotta pick setup well, but the Eagles lost Maclin and look like they're also in a great position to get Amari or White. Obviously we've seen Kelly's huge ego so the Marotta trade possibilities seem plenty real now, but if they "have to" add a top WR instead, that is not a bad fall back plan at all.

Kelly would drive me nuts if he was coach of "my team" but I gotta say he makes things interesting and I love his moxie during the offseason. I haven't seen anyone like him since Jimmy Johnson.

 
Bradford has all the tools and lacks the production people want. I love the guy as a prospect and will point out he's had arguably the weakest WR corps in the NFL each of his years in the NFL and his line early on but....in the NFL I think people consider everything an excuse and simply want production regardless.

Foles is very curious because it's quite uncommon for an NFL team to NOT want a guy that played so well in his second year. Chip was showing interest in Locker and Sanchez as replacements. That is an unusual negative there and stark comparison to what we saw as a rook. Definitely makes ya wonder if there's anything we don't know.

I think it's very possible both reap huge benefits of being in a new environment.

I would guess Chip considers Foles hot or cold and what drives him nuts is the cold weeks. They really should be better if he's a top passer in a top system (as Chip wants). Under 200 yards for the game, couple INTs, less than 50% completion percentage. I figure during these "off" weeks coaches want a certain amount of production as a bottom line and they'll find a way to win. That can't be enough for Kelly to feel comfy with. His ego- It seems like Kelly considers Foles hot weeks just a part of his system and like he's not getting the love we usually give QBs who produce well.

I do see the whole trade Bradford for Mariotta pick setup well, but the Eagles lost Maclin and look like they're also in a great position to get Amari or White. Obviously we've seen Kelly's huge ego so the Marotta trade possibilities seem plenty real now, but if they "have to" add a top WR instead, that is not a bad fall back plan at all.

Kelly would drive me nuts if he was coach of "my team" but I gotta say he makes things interesting and I love his moxie during the offseason. I haven't seen anyone like him since Jimmy Johnson.
they are?

 
I think I'd take Bradford, but I too was surprised about the 2nd round pick given his injury history and high salary figure. A 2nd for Bradford actually seems like a fair deal, it feels like Foles was just tossed in to simplify Kelly's life or something.

 
Rams:

- cleared a lot of cap space

- got a QB roughly as good as the QB they gave up, both in the last year of their deal

- got a 2nd
This.

Rams aren't going anywhere this year, so saving the cap space and getting a 2nd is a great deal in its own right......Foles is a bonus, he can hold the fort down until the Rams can get their QB for the future.

 
Rams:

- cleared a lot of cap space

- got a QB roughly as good as the QB they gave up, both in the last year of their deal

- got a 2nd
This.

Rams aren't going anywhere this year, so saving the cap space and getting a 2nd is a great deal in its own right......Foles is a bonus, he can hold the fort down until the Rams can get their QB for the future.
Why do you say this? They have a pretty good young defense and some decent young weapons on offense. If they can get just decent QB play this year I think they will be a solid team. I know it's a big if but I like a lot of the individual pieces on the Rams.

 
Bradford has all the tools and lacks the production people want. I love the guy as a prospect and will point out he's had arguably the weakest WR corps in the NFL each of his years in the NFL and his line early on but....in the NFL I think people consider everything an excuse and simply want production regardless.

Foles is very curious because it's quite uncommon for an NFL team to NOT want a guy that played so well in his second year. Chip was showing interest in Locker and Sanchez as replacements. That is an unusual negative there and stark comparison to what we saw as a rook. Definitely makes ya wonder if there's anything we don't know.

I think it's very possible both reap huge benefits of being in a new environment.

I would guess Chip considers Foles hot or cold and what drives him nuts is the cold weeks. They really should be better if he's a top passer in a top system (as Chip wants). Under 200 yards for the game, couple INTs, less than 50% completion percentage. I figure during these "off" weeks coaches want a certain amount of production as a bottom line and they'll find a way to win. That can't be enough for Kelly to feel comfy with. His ego- It seems like Kelly considers Foles hot weeks just a part of his system and like he's not getting the love we usually give QBs who produce well.

I do see the whole trade Bradford for Mariotta pick setup well, but the Eagles lost Maclin and look like they're also in a great position to get Amari or White. Obviously we've seen Kelly's huge ego so the Marotta trade possibilities seem plenty real now, but if they "have to" add a top WR instead, that is not a bad fall back plan at all.

Kelly would drive me nuts if he was coach of "my team" but I gotta say he makes things interesting and I love his moxie during the offseason. I haven't seen anyone like him since Jimmy Johnson.
they are?
Well I read they swapped firsts now it seems they haven't. The picks part of the news was kinda mangled on this trade. At 10 I thought so. At 20 they are probably gone.

 
Rimez said:
Junior McSpiffy said:
N Zone said:
Rams win this trade easily. Foles stats are impressive. Look at Bradford's yards per attempt (it's 6.3 for his career) and this will tell you all you need to know about him.
That he was on a team with no O-line to get him time, WRs who were totally incapable of getting separation and Brian Schottenheimer as a coordinator?
Did you see the eagles pass blocking last season? and bradford will be throwing to matthews who can only play the slot and all of his highlights are against LBs and the other a guy huff that couldnt sniff the field on offense and has 8 career catches. oh and riley cooper who lets face it will be completely invisible when asked to play as the #1 against a cb with a safety over the top. If they still had shady, maclin, and desean then yeah bradford would be stepping into a decent situation, but the WR core is horrible and kelly hasnt figured out TEs are allowed to catch passes in the NFL.
I'm not saying Bradford is going into a better situation. He's not. The Rams were building a viable offense in the time he was standing on the sidelines. Now Nick Foles gets to reap the benefits while Chip Kelly hopes the league doesn't catch up to a college offense in its second year in the league like what happened with RG3 and that read-option craze.

 

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