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[JohnnyU]

Report: Eagles shopping scatback Moats

The Eagles are reportedly shopping backup RB Ryan Moats.

A third-round pick in 2005, Moats mysteriously fell off the Birds' game-day roster last season after averaging 5.1 yards-per-carry as a rookie. Moats is cheap and signed through 2008 and could interest clubs looking for a change-of-pace back like the Rams, Colts, and possibly the Vikings. Apr. 17 - 7:49 pm et

Source: Yahoo Sports

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Discussed over here.

 

[Bri]

G-men could use him, too bad they're NFC East too

 

[RC94]

G-men could use him, too bad they're NFC East too

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Banger]

Wouldn't surprise me if the Vikes looked at him. Childress obviously knows him well, Chester was servicable but nothing special and Fason/Moore are nothing special either.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Wouldn't surprise me if the Vikes looked at him. Childress obviously knows him well, Chester was servicable but nothing special and Fason/Moore are nothing special either.

You can substitute Moates with any of those names above. He's nothing special either.

 

[Shermanator]

He is a very talented scat back. Problem is he cant stop fumbling the ball. I dont think coach Reid has any faith in him for that reason. So little faith he hardly played him at all last year

 

[Deranged Hermit]

He is a very talented scat back. Problem is he cant stop fumbling the ball. I dont think coach Reid has any faith in him for that reason. So little faith he hardly played him at all last year

Not only did he not play, they didn't even put him on the game day roster for a handful of games.

 

[Routilla]

He is a very talented scat back. Problem is he cant stop fumbling the ball. I dont think coach Reid has any faith in him for that reason. So little faith he hardly played him at all last year

Not only did he not play, they didn't even put him on the game day roster for a handful of games.

This is probably why noone is jumping at the chance of getting him. Again nothing special.

 

[Chunky Soup]

He is a very talented scat back. Problem is he cant stop fumbling the ball. I dont think coach Reid has any faith in him for that reason. So little faith he hardly played him at all last year

He lost 1 fumble in his career, and it was in his rookie reason.

 

[Snotbubbles]

He lost 1 fumble in his career, and it was in his rookie reason.

Fumbles and Fumbles Lost are 2 different things. It just so happened that someone on his team recovered the other two.He's had 3 fumbles in 81 touches. In other words every 27 touches he fumbles. Imagine if he got say 300 touches your talking about 11 fumbles in a season. That's too much.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I think Moats can be good......but the current asking price is way too high.

 

[Chunky Soup]

He lost 1 fumble in his career, and it was in his rookie reason.

Fumbles and Fumbles Lost are 2 different things. It just so happened that someone on his team recovered the other two.He's had 3 fumbles in 81 touches. In other words every 27 touches he fumbles. Imagine if he got say 300 touches your talking about 11 fumbles in a season. That's too much.

Leon Washington also fumbled 3 balls and had 1 recovered between 10/25 to 12/31. He had about 95 touches during this time. Its similar to what you're bringing up with Moats. You're dealing with a very small sample size and, especially when you're talking about a guys rookie season, you shouldn't judge his fumbling propensity on that.Also, if he had 3 fumbles his rookie year and no fumbles his second year, it could be a sign he has fixed a problem.

 

[Chunky Soup]

I think he is a talented back. IMO he hasn't seen much feild because he is so similar to Westbrook he can't bring a change of pace to the game. However, when Westbrook was down in '05, Moats did show some potential.

I don't know if he can be more of a COP back, like Tatum Bell '05, Jerious Norwood 06, Leon Washington 06 (interestingly enough, Washington is compared to Moats in his nfl.com prospect profile), or more of a Westbrook-type. Still, I think even a scatback of his level is worth a mid-round pick the Eagles are looking for. I would love the Eagles to keep him, but we have really no need with Westbrook.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I thought that the knock on him was that he was slow picking up the Eagles play book. However, the Eagles reportedly have one of the tougher play books for RBs in the league, so he may be fine with another team.

 

[zadok]

As I said in the other thread:

He definately has talent, it just seems like he was mismatched with the Eagles system. If they can move him for a 4th to replace the lost Stallworth pick, I would be thrilled.

 

[jurb26]

I agree with those saying Moats has talent. I think he clearly showed that he does in the limited action he saw his rookie year. I also agree that the fumbling thing in his rookie year is not a big deal. The sample size was small and many players have similar issues early in careers. More than likely he just isn't a good fit for the Philly system and needs. I think he would be a great compliment RB to a big RB such as Jacobs (too bad that won't happen because of being division rivals). The team I hope and think he will land on if moved is Tenn and I think that would be a GREAT fit. Others that I could see but don't think were mentioned yet are: Clev, KC and Chi.

 

[Bri]

Wouldn't surprise me if the Vikes looked at him. Childress obviously knows him well, Chester was servicable but nothing special and Fason/Moore are nothing special either.

I can't decide if Chester is always banged up and that's how he is or if he was banged up and his play was a little bit off last year. What do you think?I like Moore one week and the next one or two he's very much "nothing special" like you said. Do you agree, have you noticed those good weeks mixed in? Do you think with experience he could improve? or limitted talent?Fason's a bust IMO, cut the cord there

 

[Bri]

The fumbles depend on the coach coaching. We've seen Fassel forgive a zillion by Tiki and (old days)Shula cut guys real quick and Shanny limit Portis' time for his and...seems to be a coach's choice how to take the fumbles. I don't think we'll know if it's something to worry about til we see where he goes.

 

[zadok]

The fumbles depend on the coach coaching. We've seen Fassel forgive a zillion by Tiki and (old days)Shula cut guys real quick and Shanny limit Portis' time for his and...seems to be a coach's choice how to take the fumbles. I don't think we'll know if it's something to worry about til we see where he goes.

Reid was pretty forgiving with Buckhalter last year...

 

[Velcro]

If Moats is similar to Westbrook, and he's cheap and this past year represents the 1st season Westbrook ended the season playing, it seems strange to trade him. Wouldn't you rather keep the guy as insurance? It could be why the asking price is so high. It's an "either we get a good price or we have an insurance policy".

 

[Please See Mine]

Report: Eagles shopping scatback Moats The Eagles are reportedly shopping backup RB Ryan Moats.A third-round pick in 2005, Moats mysteriously fell off the Birds' game-day roster last season after averaging 5.1 yards-per-carry as a rookie. Moats is cheap and signed through 2008 and could interest clubs looking for a change-of-pace back like the Rams, Colts, and possibly the Vikings. Apr. 17 - 7:49 pm etSource: Yahoo Sports

IIRC, most of his yards came in 2 meaningless games at the end of the season. He has no clue how to block. He also has a really weird running style, IMO, like he's wobbling back and forth. He could be a decent 4 or 5 carry a game guy, but the difference between him and Westbrook on the receiving front is light years, so I will be amazed if anyone gives a draft pick for him.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Guys, don't also forget that he may fumble in practice all the time, as well.

We see game tapes, and highlights, but there's sooooo much more to an NFL player than what SportsCenter or Total Access show us.

If a coach doesn't like a guy, you gotta believe it's for a good reason.

And for those who point out (in this and other threads) that a guy is "talented"... look, they're ALL talented. But it takes more than just talent to succeed in the NFL.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Moats needs a change of scenery, this would be good for both him and the Iggles. We know he can attack the edges of a defense, and even though they likely would not trade him within the division, he would be a nice compliment to Jacobs.

 

[dotman]

Could those posters saying he is a similar back to Westbrook please explain why they feel that way. I just don't see it.

 

[JohnnyU]

Could those posters saying he is a similar back to Westbrook please explain why they feel that way. I just don't see it.

Positives: Has a stout build, with broad shoulders, thick thighs… Shows suddenness coming out of his stance … Has a quick initial burst and suddenness to gain advantage … Accelerates through the holes, doing a nice job of keeping his feet while working through traffic … Picks and slides with ease in the hole, displaying a proper feel for the cutback … Doesn't create much on his own, but makes good adjustments on the move … Has the speed to reach the corner and the acceleration to go the distance with the ball … Picks his feet up through the trash and has the speed to elude once he gets into the secondary … Adequate pass catcher who is used mostly on flares, flats and seams … Has a good work ethic in the weight room … Even though he is undersized, he has enough leg drive to break tackles and shows fluid lateral agility to elude once he gets into the open … His excellent short burst will usually see the initial tackler miss … Has very good success turning the corner, showing the second gear to easily elude linebackers and safeties. Negatives: Not an inside power runner, but compensates with his ability to pick and slide through the trash … Not a vocal leader, but lets his actions talk for him (good team player) … Needs to do a better job squaring up, mirroring and exploding into defenders … Has decent hands, but struggles maintaining concentration going for the pass (hears defenders' footsteps) … Can extend and pluck the ball at its high point, but prefers to cradle and double catch, resulting in easy drops … Runs with the ball too low and exposed, which has resulted in a very high amount of fumbles (16) and turnovers (8) in the last two years.

 

[houndirish]

Count me among those who feel Moats could shine if given the opportunity. I thought he was a great fit with the Eagles. I'm still at a loss for his wasted season last year. I'm surprised the Eagles seemed so willing to give Buckhalter the #2 role from the get go. Although IIRC Moats had a terrible preseason. Maybe the coaching staff didn't feel he was giving maximum effort or putting in the extra time to correct his weaknesses. As was mentioned earlier, there's a lot we likely can't see, not having access to practice and meeting rooms.

 

[duaneok66]

Count me among those who feel Moats could shine if given the opportunity. I thought he was a great fit with the Eagles. I'm still at a loss for his wasted season last year. I'm surprised the Eagles seemed so willing to give Buckhalter the #2 role from the get go. Although IIRC Moats had a terrible preseason. Maybe the coaching staff didn't feel he was giving maximum effort or putting in the extra time to correct his weaknesses. As was mentioned earlier, there's a lot we likely can't see, not having access to practice and meeting rooms.

LOL at the people saying that Moats and Westbrook are similar . . .are they similar in size and weight? YEStheir games aren't . . .Westbrook is at the top of the food chain in receiving RBs . . . Moats (in two years) has a GRAND TOTAL of SEVEN receiving yards, and he needed four receptions to accomplish that great feat . . .for anyone that has actually WATCHED the Eagles, you know that Reno Mahe comes in on 3rd down EVEN WHEN Westbrook is out with an injury . . .Moats has little to NO trade value . . .

 

[renesauz]

The Eagles coaching staff was sky high on the kid at this time last year. There was a ton of talk about using him and WEstbrook together a lot in two back sets. SOMETHING changed in camp last summer, but there was never much notice given to/about it.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

I agree with those saying Moats has talent. I think he clearly showed that he does in the limited action he saw his rookie year. I also agree that the fumbling thing in his rookie year is not a big deal. The sample size was small and many players have similar issues early in careers. More than likely he just isn't a good fit for the Philly system and needs. I think he would be a great compliment RB to a big RB such as Jacobs (too bad that won't happen because of being division rivals).

My thoughts exactly.

 

[dotman]

Could those posters saying he is a similar back to Westbrook please explain why they feel that way. I just don't see it.

Positives: Has a stout build, with broad shoulders, thick thighs… Shows suddenness coming out of his stance … Has a quick initial burst and suddenness to gain advantage … Accelerates through the holes, doing a nice job of keeping his feet while working through traffic … Picks and slides with ease in the hole, displaying a proper feel for the cutback … Doesn't create much on his own, but makes good adjustments on the move … Has the speed to reach the corner and the acceleration to go the distance with the ball … Picks his feet up through the trash and has the speed to elude once he gets into the secondary … Adequate pass catcher who is used mostly on flares, flats and seams … Has a good work ethic in the weight room … Even though he is undersized, he has enough leg drive to break tackles and shows fluid lateral agility to elude once he gets into the open … His excellent short burst will usually see the initial tackler miss … Has very good success turning the corner, showing the second gear to easily elude linebackers and safeties. Negatives: Not an inside power runner, but compensates with his ability to pick and slide through the trash … Not a vocal leader, but lets his actions talk for him (good team player) … Needs to do a better job squaring up, mirroring and exploding into defenders … Has decent hands, but struggles maintaining concentration going for the pass (hears defenders' footsteps) … Can extend and pluck the ball at its high point, but prefers to cradle and double catch, resulting in easy drops … Runs with the ball too low and exposed, which has resulted in a very high amount of fumbles (16) and turnovers (8) in the last two years.

This must be from college. Moats does have some decent wheels, he can turn the corner well, but that's about it and that's where the similarities end. For one, Moats fumbles too much. Sure we have a small sample size, but I've seen it at training camp and he did in college as well. I also think he's too small. There is no way he is as big as he is listed (5'8" 210). When you see him in person he looks like a midget. Brian Westbrook does not (5'8 203). Moats is cut up but he has always looked smaller than Westbrook to me. Decent hands? Maybe decent for college. He seems to be a non factor in the passing game. Not good for a guy who can't get it done inside. Westbrook is a much better receiver. I don't think Moats has very good vision. He runs into people too much. Westbrook is better in the open field and better between the tackles. And on top of it he had major problems learning the play book. Take a step back for a second and pretend Moats isn't on your fantasy team. He has 347 yards (rushing and receiving) in 2 years, on a team where there was plenty of opportunity for a RB to step up. Brian Westbrook had over 1900 yards last year alone. How on Earth can they be similar? Just because 2 guys are undersized and speedy doesn't not make them similar running backs. There is much more to the position and Moats' skill set is nowhere close to Westbrook's.

 

[stevegamer]

Moats has decent hands for a RB, and is a decent receiver out of the backfield.

Westbrook has elite hands for a NFL player, and is a very good receiver, period, even when split out.

That's a big difference.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

For everyone dogging Moats hands and pointing to his reception totals, how many targets is that off of? He only has a few catches, but from what I remember seeing of him he wasn't frequently targeted. It's not like he dropped many passes, at least not that I can remember. Anyone have the numbers?

 

[duaneok66]

For everyone dogging Moats hands and pointing to his reception totals, how many targets is that off of? He only has a few catches, but from what I remember seeing of him he wasn't frequently targeted. It's not like he dropped many passes, at least not that I can remember. Anyone have the numbers?

the actual number of targets are irrelevant . . . the REASON why he wasnt targeted much is the answer . . .obviously, the guy can't block, because he is never in the game on passing downs . . .

 

[TheLastDispatch]

For everyone dogging Moats hands and pointing to his reception totals, how many targets is that off of? He only has a few catches, but from what I remember seeing of him he wasn't frequently targeted. It's not like he dropped many passes, at least not that I can remember. Anyone have the numbers?

the actual number of targets are irrelevant . . . the REASON why he wasnt targeted much is the answer . . .

obviously, the guy can't block, because he is never in the game on passing downs . . .

Because he was never given the opportunity to be used in the passing game?The number of targets it totally relevant. If he has 4 catches on four targets, I'd say the "bad hands" comments are off base. If he has 4 catches on 10 targets with 3 drops, they're probably accurate.

 

[stevegamer]

It's not that he has "bad" hands - they just aren't in Westbrook's class, nor is his elusiveness as a receiver.

Of the bigger name backs that list is pretty short, there are some guys who are mostly receiver who are close, but here's the guys who are elite receivers who play RB (I may miss someone):

Tomlinson

Westbrook

Bush

Those guys split out wide, you better make sure you have a good corner on them.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I'm not really sure where all the Ryan Moats love comes from.

The guy has had one good game and one good run. Since then, he's been putrid and even lost carries to Bruce Perry.

If they can trade him for ANYTHING Andy Reid should at least take his trading partner out to dinner first...I'm mean, that's what a gentleman would do.

 

[Traders2001]

Wouldn't surprise me if the Vikes looked at him. Childress obviously knows him well, Chester was servicable but nothing special and Fason/Moore are nothing special either.

???From what you wrote you think he can be a starter ( Cmon he weights like 155poudns and has the shape of Michael J Fox ) Teams are looking at him as a third down back that s it , a back up .Even if he ends up in Minny , same thing back up .

 

[JAA]

I'm not really sure where all the Ryan Moats love comes from.The guy has had one good game and one good run. Since then, he's been putrid and even lost carries to Bruce Perry. If they can trade him for ANYTHING Andy Reid should at least take his trading partner out to dinner first...I'm mean, that's what a gentleman would do.

he had almost an entire 1/2 season 2 years ago to show what he was made of. I like the guy, but Im not sure how valuable he is.

 

[Snotbubbles]

he had almost an entire 1/2 season 2 years ago to show what he was made of. I like the guy, but Im not sure how valuable he is.

Westbrook got hurt in week 13.Week 14: Moats 11-114-2Week 15: Moats 12-78-1 (his first carry was a 59 yd TD)Week 16: Moats 9-13-0Week 17: Moats 7-23-0So after his one good game and a carry he went: 27-55-0What did he show that he was made of? Once teams actually got some film on him and gameplanned for him he was useless.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'm not really sure where all the Ryan Moats love comes from.The guy has had one good game and one good run. Since then, he's been putrid and even lost carries to Bruce Perry. If they can trade him for ANYTHING Andy Reid should at least take his trading partner out to dinner first...I'm mean, that's what a gentleman would do.

I agree. I wasn't really impressed by him either. He just doesn't have "it." He can't block, he's not a very good receiver and IMO his vision isn't that good either. If the Eagles got a 6th or 7th round pick for him they'd be very lucky.

 

[Chunky Soup]

I'm not really sure where all the Ryan Moats love comes from.

The guy has had one good game and one good run. Since then, he's been putrid and even lost carries to Bruce Perry.

If they can trade him for ANYTHING Andy Reid should at least take his trading partner out to dinner first...I'm mean, that's what a gentleman would do.

I agree. I wasn't really impressed by him either. He just doesn't have "it." He can't block, he's not a very good receiver and IMO his vision isn't that good either. If the Eagles got a 6th or 7th round pick for him they'd be very lucky.

He's cheap, can be a very good 3rd down/scat back, and has potential to be more. Saying hes barely worth a 6/7 rnd pick is laughable.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

Yet another indication that the Birds will be drafting a RB early...

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'm not really sure where all the Ryan Moats love comes from.

The guy has had one good game and one good run. Since then, he's been putrid and even lost carries to Bruce Perry.

If they can trade him for ANYTHING Andy Reid should at least take his trading partner out to dinner first...I'm mean, that's what a gentleman would do.

I agree. I wasn't really impressed by him either. He just doesn't have "it." He can't block, he's not a very good receiver and IMO his vision isn't that good either. If the Eagles got a 6th or 7th round pick for him they'd be very lucky.

He's cheap, can be a very good 3rd down/scat back, and has potential to be more. Saying hes barely worth a 6/7 rnd pick is laughable.

He's not a very good receiver so I'm not sure how he could be a very good 3rd down back. And there just aren't many trades in the NFL. Teams would rather draft their own guy than give up a draft pick most times. So they already have that going against them. And how many years does he have left on his contract? Two?Guys like Ryan Moates are a dime a dozen IMO. If the Eagles are that unhappy with him, the odds are that they'll probably end up cutting him if they can't trade him. I think most teams know that. Then someone will give him a one or two year prove it deal and give him a shot to compete for the backup RB spot.

 

[Traders2001]

Hey guys all you are talking about here is how good or bad of a receiver he is . Is nt he suppose to be a RB , because runnig the ball as a RB he is not very good . He is a decent receiver and can be a third down back i agree, but to run him on first and second down

( FOOOGETT ABOUTTT IT )

 

[TheLastDispatch]

I'm not really sure where all the Ryan Moats love comes from.

The guy has had one good game and one good run. Since then, he's been putrid and even lost carries to Bruce Perry.

If they can trade him for ANYTHING Andy Reid should at least take his trading partner out to dinner first...I'm mean, that's what a gentleman would do.

 

[Donnybrook]

Wouldn't surprise me if the Vikes looked at him. Childress obviously knows him well, Chester was servicable but nothing special and Fason/Moore are nothing special either.

I can't decide if Chester is always banged up and that's how he is or if he was banged up and his play was a little bit off last year. What do you think?I like Moore one week and the next one or two he's very much "nothing special" like you said. Do you agree, have you noticed those good weeks mixed in? Do you think with experience he could improve? or limitted talent?Fason's a bust IMO, cut the cord there

I don’t assume that Childress is looking for a Westbrook clone. He adapted the offense at Wisconsin to feature Ron Dayne. If Minnesota gets lucky and Peterson falls to them, they would be wise to take him IMO. If that happens, Vikings would have no need for Moats and would be trying to unload Moore and Fason as well.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Moats:

Doesn't play on third down because he's not a good receiver - that's a prerequisite in the WCO, not just in Philly.
Doesn't play on passing downs for the above reason and because he's not a good blocker, nor is he good on blitz pickup.
He doesn't play special teams because of his lack of blocking skills.
He's also been called into question about his ball security / fumbling (whether the official numbers prove this or not - but it has come up).So, you have a guy who can run the ball and (hopefully) hold on to it and might break you a long run now and then. However, you can't dress him because he doesn't play special teams, which is required for most backups (that's why Tapeh and Mahe often dressed ahead of him).

His limited playing time / playmaking ability limits his utilization on game day, so I can see why he's done in Philly and needs to find another home.

If a different style of team has a spare roster spot and can dress a backup RB / COP back that won't be doing much else, more power to them and I wish them well.

As for "not trading him to the Giants because they are in the division", well, send us your 4th round pick and he's yours.

 

[Sleeper 43]

Wouldn't surprise me if the Vikes looked at him. Childress obviously knows him well, Chester was servicable but nothing special and Fason/Moore are nothing special either.

You can substitute Moates with any of those names above. He's nothing special either.

Nothing Special ? Thanks for the insight, how about elaborating a little.

I thought that the knock on him was that he was slow picking up the Eagles play book. However, the Eagles reportedly have one of the tougher play books for RBs in the league, so he may be fine with another team.

First off thank you for dropping knowledge for these haters who don't truly know why or what the problem is and concoct there on theories. This should answer questions like "Why didnt he play if he was so good"Moats isn't picking up the complex playbook as fast as they had hoped. Having Westy and Moats active at the same time is redundant when you could activate bigger (Tapeh or Cbuck) rbs for diff situations and Mahe has been in the system how long ?

If Moats is similar to Westbrook, and he's cheap and this past year represents the 1st season Westbrook ended the season playing, it seems strange to trade him. Wouldn't you rather keep the guy as insurance? It could be why the asking price is so high. It's an "either we get a good price or we have an insurance policy".

As of now this is what there doing

Report: Eagles shopping scatback Moats The Eagles are reportedly shopping backup RB Ryan Moats.A third-round pick in 2005, Moats mysteriously fell off the Birds' game-day roster last season after averaging 5.1 yards-per-carry as a rookie. Moats is cheap and signed through 2008 and could interest clubs looking for a change-of-pace back like the Rams, Colts, and possibly the Vikings. Apr. 17 - 7:49 pm etSource: Yahoo Sports

IIRC, most of his yards came in 2 meaningless games at the end of the season. He has no clue how to block. He also has a really weird running style, IMO, like he's wobbling back and forth. He could be a decent 4 or 5 carry a game guy, but the difference between him and Westbrook on the receiving front is light years, so I will be amazed if anyone gives a draft pick for him.

Quote from Pennlive.com on one of the Eagles games"The Dexter Wynn Return""Ask Dexter who was the most responsible for those gaps. Watch the replay and take a look at the block of our main man Ryan Moats. "His running style may come off as weird to you but so does Marshawn Lynchs right ?Some of the better runners have duck feet and it actually provides them with a wider base and a lower center of gravity. Moats looks like that usually before he hits the hole becasue he truley can turn on a dime, his quick twitch is sickening.

Count me among those who feel Moats could shine if given the opportunity. I thought he was a great fit with the Eagles. I'm still at a loss for his wasted season last year. I'm surprised the Eagles seemed so willing to give Buckhalter the #2 role from the get go. Although IIRC Moats had a terrible preseason. Maybe the coaching staff didn't feel he was giving maximum effort or putting in the extra time to correct his weaknesses. As was mentioned earlier, there's a lot we likely can't see, not having access to practice and meeting rooms.

LOL at the people saying that Moats and Westbrook are similar . . .are they similar in size and weight? YEStheir games aren't . . .Westbrook is at the top of the food chain in receiving RBs . . . Moats (in two years) has a GRAND TOTAL of SEVEN receiving yards, and he needed four receptions to accomplish that great feat . . .for anyone that has actually WATCHED the Eagles, you know that Reno Mahe comes in on 3rd down EVEN WHEN Westbrook is out with an injury . . .Like I mentioned above, hes not grasping the playbook as quickly as they had hoped , it not about physical skills . Mahe has been in the league and in the system for a good while.Moats has little to NO trade value . . .

Thats funny because I know for a FACT that the Broncos inquired about a trade for him AND there we other teams that were un-mentioned that showed interest as well. I think the Eagles are just staying firm on what they want for him.FROM the Draft Bible - "According to a second source more than one team has already been contacted to gauge their initial interest, but the initial league source indicated that Moats' street value would likely a mid-round choice in next week's NFL Draft."Overall my thing is .... If he was given the opportunity and failed I would keep quiet and stay in my hole BUT to sit here and hear people say hes done when he never been given the shot, its just nuts.Someone brought up his work ethic? He very well known for being a work-out warrior.