Early RB Rankings (1 Viewer)

[jurb26]

Mine seem to be a bit different from the norm.

1. Portis

2. LT

3. LJ

4. SA

5. Jordan

6. Rudi

7. Jackson

8. R.Brown

9. Caddy

10. Edge

11. J.Lewis

12. DD

13. Willis

14. K.Jones

15. Barber

16. Bush

17. Westy

18. Dunn

19. C.Taylor

20. Droughns

21. Parker

22. JJ

23. L.White

24. D.Williams

25. Green

26. Addai

27. T.Jones

28. McAllister

29. Dillon

30. Martin

31. F.Taylor

32. Gore

33. Maroney

34. Benson

35. Barlow

36. Rhodes

37. C.Brown

38. Staley

39. Dayne

40. Duckett

41. Perry

42. Drew

43. Bell

44. Moats

45. Houston

46. Jacobs

47. G.Jones

48. Moore

49. Holmes

50. Gado

Feel free to post yours.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

mine are posted

predicting an injury to tiki?

 

[jurb26]

mine are posted

predicting an injury to tiki?

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Why don't we just call it the Martin trend this year.

 

[aposulli]

mine are posted

predicting an injury to tiki?

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predicting an injury to Foster more like it

 

[jurb26]

mine are posted

predicting an injury to tiki?

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predicting an injury to Foster more like it
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That actually needs to be predicted.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

so whats your reply to SSOG's argument about the denver running game? I see you have bell and dayne both very low.

How about Chicago? you see RBBC there?

 

[matuski]

rankings like this have allowed me to nab tiki in the 2nd/3rd round the last two years.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Gore and Barlow ranked higher than Bell and Dayne. Something's not right there.

 

[jurb26]

The 2 guys that I can see meyself moving up a bit as the season nears are C.Taylor and Parker. Just not sure I can rank them much higher until I see something more from them for now.

 

[jurb26]

Gore and Barlow ranked higher than Bell and Dayne. Something's not right there.

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I stay away from the Den RB mess year in and year out and have proven a much more successful FF player because of it. If I can't get one of the Den RBs very late, I don't get them at all. Just one of my things.

 

[jurb26]

rankings like this have allowed me to nab tiki in the 2nd/3rd round the last two years.



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And they allowed you to nab Matin in the 2nd/3rd last year too.....Barber will go in the 1st this year. Mark it down. He went 5th in one of my main leagues last year and went no lower than 12 in every league I was in. My rankings alone will NOT change that.

 

[P Boy]

so whats your reply to SSOG's argument about the denver running game? I see you have bell and dayne both very low.

How about Chicago? you see RBBC there?

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LOL. He's got Bush & Dayne switched. Strong indicator this list is done with the heart & not with the head.Editied to add:

With Dayne @ #39 & Bell @ #43 with no other DEN RBs on the list, based upon last year's numbers for RBs, the DEN team rushing breakdown, and extrapolation into this year, jurb has DEN rushing for about 1134 yds total - which last year would have been #32 in the league, 4 yds behind AZ.

DEN under Shanahan has only finished out of the top 10 in the NFL in rushing once in his 11 years - and that was at #12. Normally DEN finishes in the top 6 or higher in rushing, and have been the best rushing team in the NFL over the last decade.

There's just no rhyme or reason to have DEN drop to the worst rushing team in the NFL after so much success. None.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

top 20 Non PPr

Larry Johnson

Lt2

S. Alexander

Tiki Barber

Clinton Portis

Edgerin James

Lamont Jordan

Caddy

S. Jackson

DD

Rudi Johnson

Willis McGahee

R. Brown

Westbrook

R. Droughns

R. Bush

W. Parker

Warrick Dunn

Jamal Lewis

Tatum Bell

*honorable mention Thomas Jones

 

[jurb26]

so whats your reply to SSOG's argument about the denver running game? I see you have bell and dayne both very low.

How about Chicago? you see RBBC there?

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Yes, I have Bell and Dayne very low. Just like I had Bell and Anderson very low last year. If one of them falls to me ala Anderson last year I will take them. I'm not sure if Chi will bee RBBC or not. I doubt it. At this stage of the game I'm just not sure if Chi will be staying with Jones or if they will wnat to get Benson work. I'll adjust as I get more info.

 

[jurb26]

top 20 Non PPr

Larry Johnson

Lt2

S. Alexander

Tiki Barber

Clinton Portis

Edgerin James

Lamont Jordan

Caddy

S. Jackson

DD

Rudi Johnson

Willis McGahee

R. Brown

Westbrook

R. Droughns

R. Bush

W. Parker

Julius Jones

Jamal Lewis

Warrick Dunn

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This is what I was hoping to get out of the post.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

top 20 Non PPr

Larry Johnson

Lt2

S. Alexander

Tiki Barber

Clinton Portis

Edgerin James

Lamont Jordan

Caddy

S. Jackson

DD

Rudi Johnson

Willis McGahee

R. Brown

Westbrook

R. Droughns

R. Bush

W. Parker

Julius Jones

Jamal Lewis

Warrick Dunn

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This is what I was hoping to get out of the post.
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That's because I have learned2read what the entire posts says. That was in the class FBG 101 that's being offered. I failed FBG 102, which denied me my 3 digit number.

 

[SoFresh&SoClean]

Alexander

LT2

LJ

Portis

Rudi

Jordan

Tiki

Brown

Caddy

Bush

Top 10 for now. I guess. I didn't put a ton of thought into it.

 

[jurb26]

That's because I have learned2read what the entire posts says.  That was in the class FBG 101 that's being offered.  I failed FBG 102, which denied me my 3 digit number.

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[jurb26]

Editied to add:

With Dayne @ #39 & Bell @ #43 with no other DEN RBs on the list, based upon last year's numbers for RBs, the DEN team rushing breakdown, and extrapolation into this year, jurb has DEN rushing for about 1134 yds total - which last year would have been #32 in the league, 4 yds behind AZ.

DEN under Shanahan has only finished out of the top 10 in the NFL in rushing once in his 11 years - and that was at #12.  Normally DEN finishes in the top 6 or higher in rushing, and have been the best rushing team in the NFL over the last decade.

There's just no rhyme or reason to have DEN drop to the worst rushing team in the NFL after so much success.  None.

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Big surprise... reading comp down again on PB. :whoosh:

Nah, it's not down. PB just like to argue.

 

[P Boy]

Editied to add:

With Dayne @ #39 & Bell @ #43 with no other DEN RBs on the list, based upon last year's numbers for RBs, the DEN team rushing breakdown, and extrapolation into this year, jurb has DEN rushing for about 1134 yds total - which last year would have been #32 in the league, 4 yds behind AZ.

DEN under Shanahan has only finished out of the top 10 in the NFL in rushing once in his 11 years - and that was at #12.  Normally DEN finishes in the top 6 or higher in rushing, and have been the best rushing team in the NFL over the last decade.

There's just no rhyme or reason to have DEN drop to the worst rushing team in the NFL after so much success.  None.

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Big surprise... reading comp down again on PB. :whoosh:

Nah, it's not down. PB just like to argue.

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Yeah, I'll argue if someone is posting something that makes no sense. So I'll explain my position, and then you justify your rankings of the DEN RBs for me - and pretend that I'm really stupid and explain it slowly & clearly.Here's my position:

Last season the #39 RB put up 473 yds rushing and the #43 RB put up 391 yds rushing. That's a combined 864 yds rushing for where you have Dayne & Bell projected. There are no other DEN RBs on the list, so we have to assume you think any other RB running in DEN will not be significant.

Last year Anderson & Bell ran for a combined 1935 yds out of 2539 rushing yds for DEN. So Anderson/Bell accounted for 76.2% of the rushing production in DEN.

So if we take your projected Dayne/Bell total of 864 yds rushing based on last season's numbers, and allow that to be 76.2% of the rushing (which makes sense based upon how closely you have Dayne & Bell ranked), that means you are projecting DEN to rush for 1134 yds next season - a drop from 2539 rushing yards last year.

AZ was #32 in rushing last season with 1138 rushing yds. So based upon your RB rankings, a team that under Shanahan has NEVER finished below 12th best in the NFL in rushing, and usually finishes top 6 or better, is suddenly going to drop to the worst rushing team in the league.

Either that, or you just completely ignored any numbers & logic, and just threw the RBs onto the list based upon how you feel about the RBs. That's about the only way I can explain it, unless you have a better justification.

You're big on stats. Let's hear your explanation about how both DEN RBs can finish so low in the rankings, with no other DEN RBs on the list, and not have DEN finish at the bottom of rushing in the NFL. I'll listen with an open mind.

 

[jurb26]

Editied to add:

With Dayne @ #39 & Bell @ #43 with no other DEN RBs on the list, based upon last year's numbers for RBs, the DEN team rushing breakdown, and extrapolation into this year, jurb has DEN rushing for about 1134 yds total - which last year would have been #32 in the league, 4 yds behind AZ.

DEN under Shanahan has only finished out of the top 10 in the NFL in rushing once in his 11 years - and that was at #12.  Normally DEN finishes in the top 6 or higher in rushing, and have been the best rushing team in the NFL over the last decade.

There's just no rhyme or reason to have DEN drop to the worst rushing team in the NFL after so much success.  None.

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Big surprise... reading comp down again on PB. :whoosh:

Nah, it's not down. PB just like to argue.

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Yeah, I'll argue if someone is posting something that makes no sense. So I'll explain my position, and then you justify your rankings of the DEN RBs for me - and pretend that I'm really stupid and explain it slowly & clearly.Here's my position:

Last season the #39 RB put up 473 yds rushing and the #43 RB put up 391 yds rushing. That's a combined 864 yds rushing for where you have Dayne & Bell projected. There are no other DEN RBs on the list, so we have to assume you think any other RB running in DEN will not be significant.

Last year Anderson & Bell ran for a combined 1935 yds out of 2539 rushing yds for DEN. So Anderson/Bell accounted for 76.2% of the rushing production in DEN.

So if we take your projected Dayne/Bell total of 864 yds rushing based on last season's numbers, and allow that to be 76.2% of the rushing (which makes sense based upon how closely you have Dayne & Bell ranked), that means you are projecting DEN to rush for 1134 yds next season - a drop from 2539 rushing yards last year.

AZ was #32 in rushing last season with 1138 rushing yds. So based upon your RB rankings, a team that under Shanahan has NEVER finished below 12th best in the NFL in rushing, and usually finishes top 6 or better, is suddenly going to drop to the worst rushing team in the league.

Either that, or you just completely ignored any numbers & logic, and just threw the RBs onto the list based upon how you feel about the RBs. That's about the only way I can explain it, unless you have a better justification.

You're big on stats. Let's hear your explanation about how both DEN RBs can finish so low in the rankings, with no other DEN RBs on the list, and not have DEN finish at the bottom of rushing in the NFL. I'll listen with an open mind.

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This is too funny PB. I've already told you I avoid Den RBs unless they fall and that it is reflected in my rankings. Get over it already. I'm not going to sit here and argue about it as if there are not enough Den RB threads around here already. I place very little confidence as to who will be starting and getting the bulk of the work in Den this time of year. Therefor I avoid Den's RB unless the fall and I can take one with little risk as a WC. Don't worry I'm not dissing your fav team. I'm sure they will have a strong running game.This thread is supposed to get peoples RB rankings. I'll trust you can post yours or take the shtick elswhere.

 

[shake zula]

Droughns at 20 is to low,

I have him ahead of Taylor, Dunn, Davis (injuries), Westbrook....

 

[P Boy]

This is too funny PB.  I've already told you I avoid Den RBs unless they fall and that it is reflected in my rankings.  Get over it already.  I'm not going to sit here and argue about it as if there are not enough Den RB threads around here already.  I place very little confidence as to who will be starting and getting the bulk of the work in Den this time of year.  Therefor I avoid Den's RB unless the fall and I can take one with little risk as a WC.  Don't worry I'm not dissing your fav team.  I'm sure they will have a strong running game.

Okay, so the only thing I can gather is that there isn't much logical basis for your picks, just how you feel about them. We know you hate Dayne, and we know that you love Bush, so they are ranked not by what you expect their production to be but rather by how much love or hate you have for them.That's all I needed to know.There's nothing wrong with ranking that way. In fact, I wish a lot of guys in my leagues would use your method.

 

[jurb26]

Okay, so the only thing I can gather is that there isn't much logical basis for your picks, just how you feel about them.  We know you hate Dayne, and we know that you love Bush, so they are ranked not by what you expect their production to be but rather by how much love or hate you have for them.

That's all I needed to know.

There's nothing wrong with ranking that way.  In fact, I wish a lot of guys in my leagues would use your method.

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Since when do I hate Dayne? I actually like Dayne and think he will be the guy in Den. You may want to at least get your facts straight.Oh yes and GB all those people who were ranking Bell as a 2nd rounder this time last year.... yourself included.

 

[Blackjacks]

I like going out on a limb. I might not agree with it but that's why it's your opinion. I

however love Portis #1

 

[videoguy505]

This is too funny PB.  I've already told you I avoid Den RBs unless they fall and that it is reflected in my rankings.  Get over it already.  I'm not going to sit here and argue about it as if there are not enough Den RB threads around here already.  I place very little confidence as to who will be starting and getting the bulk of the work in Den this time of year.  Therefor I avoid Den's RB unless the fall and I can take one with little risk as a WC.  Don't worry I'm not dissing your fav team.  I'm sure they will have a strong running game.

This thread is supposed to get peoples RB rankings.  I'll trust you can post yours or take the shtick elswhere.

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So really, this isn't a ranking of RBs at all, but an ADP that you'd follow. You're avoiding points on purpose, and instead are listing where you'd grab people if they fell there.

 

[P Boy]

Since when do I hate Dayne?  I actually like Dayne and think he will be the guy in Den.  You may want to at least get your facts straight.Oh yes and GB all those people who were ranking Bell as a 2nd rounder this time last year.... yourself included.

Yep. What, you want me to deny that? Bell's performance at the end of 2004 and coach's statement during the offseason had a lot of people up on him, including myself.As we started to see how he performed in minicamps & then how the pecking order was shaking out before the first preseason game, that changed quickly, at least on my part, didn't it?Fair enough. I overreached on my assessment of your opinion of Dayne. I'll admit that.In any case, I think it's worthwhile posting lists like you did because they encourage debate. Since you aren't interesting in debating and have a list based upon your opinion - which is irrefutable, a person feels how they feel, that's certainly your perrogative and there's nothing worng with that - I'll just move on.

 

[carlosnphilly]

This is too funny PB.  I've already told you I avoid Den RBs unless they fall and that it is reflected in my rankings.  Get over it already.  I'm not going to sit here and argue about it as if there are not enough Den RB threads around here already.  I place very little confidence as to who will be starting and getting the bulk of the work in Den this time of year.  Therefor I avoid Den's RB unless the fall and I can take one with little risk as a WC.  Don't worry I'm not dissing your fav team.  I'm sure they will have a strong running game.

This thread is supposed to get peoples RB rankings.  I'll trust you can post yours or take the shtick elswhere.

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So really, this isn't a ranking of RBs at all
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[jurb26]

This is too funny PB.  I've already told you I avoid Den RBs unless they fall and that it is reflected in my rankings.  Get over it already.  I'm not going to sit here and argue about it as if there are not enough Den RB threads around here already.  I place very little confidence as to who will be starting and getting the bulk of the work in Den this time of year.  Therefor I avoid Den's RB unless the fall and I can take one with little risk as a WC.  Don't worry I'm not dissing your fav team.  I'm sure they will have a strong running game.

This thread is supposed to get peoples RB rankings.  I'll trust you can post yours or take the shtick elswhere.

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So really, this isn't a ranking of RBs at all, but an ADP that you'd follow. You're avoiding points on purpose, and instead are listing where you'd grab people if they fell there.
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This is pretty much how I would draft them at this piont in time. Give or take the chemistry of the draft going on. What else do you consider rankings? No, it is not an ADP. I am not trying to please the Average drafter with MY rankings. I will use my rankigs in reflection of ADPs though to nab what I see as good value.

 

[Wade]

I'm still playing with my rankings...nothing set in stone here...but I had some trouble with my RB list. I crafted team-based projections, and ranked everyone, and it looked OK...but it looked a lot like last 2005's year-end rankings (with some exceptions).

Step two was creating an AVT set for my main league, using weighted AVT for the last three years.

Step three was breaking down those positional lists into 32 point tiers...

Then, I was kind of stuck...wasn't too excited about my rankings, but kind of liked which tier everyone was in...so I re-ordered the players in each tier, ascending, by age and got the following rankings:

RB01 Larry Johnson

RB02 LaDanian Tomlinson

RB03 Shaun Alexander

RB04 Portis Clinton

RB05 Tiki Barber

RB06 Domanick Davis

RB07 Rudi Johnson

RB08 LaMont Jordan

RB09 Steven Jackson

RB10 Cadillac Williams

RB11 Ronnie Brown

RB12 Willis McGahee

RB13 Willie Parker

RB14 Brian Westbrook

RB15 Chester Taylor

RB16 Edgerrin James

RB17 Reuben Droughns

RB18 Julius Jones

RB19 DeShaun Foster

RB20 Dominic Rhodes

RB21 Jamal Lewis

RB22 Thomas Jones

RB23 Ron Dayne

RB24 Ahman Green

RB25 Warrick Dunn

RB26 Corey Dillon

RB27 Reggie Bush

RB28 LenDale White

RB29 Frank Gore

RB30 Kevin Jones

RB31 Tatum Bell

RB32 Chris Brown

RB33 Verron Haynes

RB34 Deuce McAllister

RB35 Fred Taylor

RB36 Curtis Martin

RB37 Mike Anderson

RB38 Laurence Maroney

RB39 Joseph Addai

RB40 DeAngelo Williams

RB41 Marion Barber

RB42 Cedric Houston

RB43 Alvin Pearman

RB44 Cedric Benson

RB45 Mewelde Moore

RB46 Ryan Moats

RB47 Brandon Jacobs

RB48 Michael Turner

RB49 Chris Perry

RB50 TJ Duckett

RB51 Cedric Cobbs

RB52 Vernand Morency

RB53 Kevan Barlow

RB54 Najeh Davenport

RB55 Maurice Morris

RB56 Artose Pinner

RB57 Sammy Morris

RB58 Michael Pittman

RB59 Marshall Faulk

RB60 Mike Alstott

 

[djb916420]

rankings like this have allowed me to nab tiki in the 2nd/3rd round the last two years.



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I just snagged tiki with the 23rd pick overall, LJ and tiki, watch out!

 

[moleculo]

my list - early on, I have much polishing to do, as even I don't agree with all of this, but it's a start:

1 Larry Johnson

2 LaDainian Tomlinson

3 Shaun Alexander

4 Lamont Jordan

5 Willis McGahee------too high - expect to move down

6 Tiki Barber------too high - expect to move down

7 Clinton Portis

8 Reggie Bush------too high - expect to move down

9 Rudi Johnson

10 Brian Westbrook

11 Edgerrin James

12 Steven Jackson

13 Ronnie Brown

14 Thomas Jones

15 Willie Parker

16 Domanick Davis

17 Warrick Dunn

18 Julius Jones

19 Tatum Bell

20 Jamal Lewis

21 Reuben Droughns

22 Dominic Rhodes

23 Cadillac Williams

24 Kevin Jones

25 Chris Brown

26 Ahman Green

27 Deuce McAllister

28 Mewelde Moore

29 Kevan Barlow

30 DeShaun Foster

31 DeAngelo Williams

32 Fred Taylor

33 Curtis Martin

34 Mike Anderson

35 Corey Dillon

36 Frank Gore

37 Priest Holmes

38 Joseph Addai

39 Ron Dayne

40 T.J. Duckett

 

[Patoons]

my list - early on, I have much polishing to do, as even I don't agree with all of this, but it's a start:

1 Larry Johnson

2 LaDainian Tomlinson

3 Shaun Alexander

4 Lamont Jordan

5 Willis McGahee------too high - expect to move down

6 Tiki Barber------too high - expect to move down

7 Clinton Portis

8 Reggie Bush------too high - expect to move down

9 Rudi Johnson

10 Brian Westbrook

11 Edgerrin James

12 Steven Jackson

13 Ronnie Brown

14 Thomas Jones

15 Willie Parker

16 Domanick Davis

17 Warrick Dunn

18 Julius Jones

19 Tatum Bell

20 Jamal Lewis

21 Reuben Droughns

22 Dominic Rhodes

23 Cadillac Williams

24 Kevin Jones

25 Chris Brown

26 Ahman Green

27 Deuce McAllister

28 Mewelde Moore

29 Kevan Barlow

30 DeShaun Foster

31 DeAngelo Williams

32 Fred Taylor

33 Curtis Martin

34 Mike Anderson

35 Corey Dillon

36 Frank Gore

37 Priest Holmes

38 Joseph Addai

39 Ron Dayne

40 T.J. Duckett

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Wow- you must be expecting the Pats running game to be pretty terrible this year with no Maroney and Dillon at 35. Any particular reason?Also, Moore over C.Taylor is something quite interesting, with no Taylor in te top 40.

 

[Blackjacks]

And Bush at #8 and Duece at #27. I guess you like their running game this year.

 

[moleculo]

my list - early on, I have much polishing to do, as even I don't agree with all of this, but it's a start:

1 Larry Johnson

2 LaDainian Tomlinson

3 Shaun Alexander

4 Lamont Jordan

5 Willis McGahee------too high - expect to move down

6 Tiki Barber------too high - expect to move down

7 Clinton Portis

8 Reggie Bush------too high - expect to move down

9 Rudi Johnson

10 Brian Westbrook

11 Edgerrin James

12 Steven Jackson

13 Ronnie Brown

14 Thomas Jones

15 Willie Parker

16 Domanick Davis

17 Warrick Dunn

18 Julius Jones

19 Tatum Bell

20 Jamal Lewis

21 Reuben Droughns

22 Dominic Rhodes

23 Cadillac Williams

24 Kevin Jones

25 Chris Brown

26 Ahman Green

27 Deuce McAllister

28 Mewelde Moore

29 Kevan Barlow

30 DeShaun Foster

31 DeAngelo Williams

32 Fred Taylor

33 Curtis Martin

34 Mike Anderson

35 Corey Dillon

36 Frank Gore

37 Priest Holmes

38 Joseph Addai

39 Ron Dayne

40 T.J. Duckett

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Wow- you must be expecting the Pats running game to be pretty terrible this year with no Maroney and Dillon at 35. Any particular reason?Also, Moore over C.Taylor is something quite interesting, with no Taylor in te top 40.

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like I said, it's still pretty rough. I see NE going primarily passing offense with RBBC, phasing Dillon out and Maroney in. I tweaked the #'s a bit, and I now have Maroney bumped to about 34. Dillon drops to 36.Taylor - Not sure what to do with him in the Minn running game. Right now, I have Moore with almost 2x the carries vs Taylor - probably not accurate, this is a situation which I need to follow closer.

 

[moleculo]

And Bush at #8 and Duece at #27. I guess you like their running game this year.

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Bush is way to high, IMO. The reason he is so high is I gave him a relatively high YPC and quite a few receiving yards. I actually have Bush with 1047 rushing yards and 593 receiving yards, 10.6 total TD's. I will likely scale back his ypc and ypr.