Ebola (1 Viewer)

[shadyridr]

Why is the nurse in NJ not allowed to be quarantined in her own apartment?

 

[3C's]

I am sure all those 10,000 people in West Africa wer trying damn hard to get it. You are unbelievable.

Kind of addressing a point you've not made explicitly, but are sort of dancing around: Ebola is not spreading in West Africa through the usual cold/flu transmission vectors, either.

First off, there's kind of a cultural denial going on in some West African families and communities about Ebola. There is great incentive to deny having it, or to deny that a family member has it. This has led to a pervasive attitude of "Well, if authorities don't know it, I don't have Ebola" (cf. "Cops didn't see it, I didn't do it").

Accordingly, much (probably "most", but I can't cite numbers) Ebola care is done in the home, without equipment or medicine. The risk there in even something as simple as bathing an Ebola patient is obvious.

Further, the local culture strongly favors a ritual funeral dressing of the corpse that involves a lot of up-close handling. The virus is being spread quite a lot this way, as well.

Maybe all this is stuff people in this thread already know, but there are a lot of people in the wider world who are positive that Ebola moves through a population in exactly the same way as colds and flu. Anf that's just not true.

It's God cursing them because of the gays.

 

[Sinn Fein]

How about the Nurse in New Jersey...She has spent like two days in quarantine and she already sounds like she is going to crack...

Christie looking like a fat fool after they announce the nurse is going home today - complete overreaction by people who should be smart enough to know better.

 

[jon_mx]

I am sure all those 10,000 people in West Africa wer trying damn hard to get it. You are unbelievable.

Kind of addressing a point you've not made explicitly, but are sort of dancing around: Ebola is not spreading in West Africa through the usual cold/flu transmission vectors, either.

First off, there's kind of a cultural denial going on in some West African families and communities about Ebola. There is great incentive to deny having it, or to deny that a family member has it. This has led to a pervasive attitude of "Well, if authorities don't know it, I don't have Ebola" (cf. "Cops didn't see it, I didn't do it").

Accordingly, much (probably "most", but I can't cite numbers) Ebola care is done in the home, without equipment or medicine. The risk there in even something as simple as bathing an Ebola patient is obvious.

Further, the local culture strongly favors a ritual funeral dressing of the corpse that involves a lot of up-close handling. The virus is being spread quite a lot this way, as well.

Maybe all this is stuff people in this thread already know, but there are a lot of people in the wider world who are positive that Ebola moves through a population in exactly the same way as colds and flu. Anf that's just not true.

Yes, it is much more difficult to catch than the flu. But exposure to an infected person carries risks that should not be overly downplayed either. There is no doubt that this is being way overhyped here by the media and creating some hysteria, but on the other side it is being downplayed as if you have to go around eating someone's crap in order to catch it.

 

[Fennis]

someone must have realized it is less presidential to let her leave quarantine than to lose a court case

Christie: Nurse quarantined in N.J. to be released

 

[3C's]

How about the Nurse in New Jersey...She has spent like two days in quarantine and she already sounds like she is going to crack...

Christie looking like a fat fool after they announce the nurse is going home today - complete overreaction by people who should be smart enough to know better.

Glad he came to his senses. And I had no idea she was not a NJ resident. That makes it even worse.

This is interesting too:And Cuomo added that if employers don't pay quarantined workers for the time they are absent while under quarantine, "the government will."

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Why is the nurse in NJ not allowed to be quarantined in her own apartment?

Because those in the medical community can't be trusted...They fly to Cleveland, ride subways and go bowling while infected.

 

[3C's]

Why is the nurse in NJ not allowed to be quarantined in her own apartment?

Because those in the medical community can't be trusted...They fly to Cleveland, ride subways and go bowling while infected.

Yeah?! Screw Cleveland.

 

[Apple Jack]

For God's sakes Lemon, we'd all like to flee to the Cleve with teh Ebola and club up at the Flats and have lunch with Little Richard, but we fight those urges.

 

[culdeus]

As I said all along, the CDC's new "rigorous" training will revolve around not being a complete moron.

Tightened Guidance for U.S. Healthcare Workers on Personal Protective Equipment for EbolaThe enhanced guidance is centered on three principles:

• All healthcare workers undergo rigorous training and are practiced and competent with PPE, including putting it on and taking it off in a systemic manner
• No skin exposure when PPE is worn
• All workers are supervised by a trained monitor who watches each worker putting PPE on and taking it off.

This is to say Ebola is so hard to get you have to damn near try to do so... by exposing yourself to it directly.

To bump again jon and ghosts "NEW" CDC protocols.

The "NEW" part? A stronger recommendation to protect yourself.

I am sure all those 10,000 people in West Africa wer trying damn hard to get it. You are unbelievable.

Actually, I think they were trying about as hard as the could to get it. At least based on my understanding of how this is going down over there.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I seriously don't understand why so many people are dog-piling Iron Sheik here. Granted, I haven't been following the thread from the beginning so maybe there's a good reason for it, but people are reacting to his proposal to quarantine doctors as if it's just self-evidently crazy, when that's very clearly not the case. It may be bad public policy if the costs (discouraging humanitarian assistance, personal inconvenience, lost income, etc) outweigh the public health benefits, but that's a trade-off that most of us are completely unqualified to evaluate. And lots of epidemiologists who are qualified to make that evaluation seem to think that quarantining people who have come into physical contact with ebola patients is the right thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that such quarantines where put into place in both Texas and New York.

What gives? Is this just politics? I get that a certain segment of people on the right have brought some crazy to this issue, but a lot of the hate directed at the Sheik seems to be rooted in the same kind of rejection of science as the nuts on the right.

Thanks, GB. I'm not sure I get the pile on, either, but that's cool. I feel like my arguments have been pretty rational, but I understand if people disagree. We'll never all agree on something like this. But I am definitely on the side of "proceed with caution" for now. As we start to learn more, I'm completely in favor of changing procedures as we go.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

As I said all along, the CDC's new "rigorous" training will revolve around not being a complete moron.

Tightened Guidance for U.S. Healthcare Workers on Personal Protective Equipment for EbolaThe enhanced guidance is centered on three principles:

• All healthcare workers undergo rigorous training and are practiced and competent with PPE, including putting it on and taking it off in a systemic manner
• No skin exposure when PPE is worn
• All workers are supervised by a trained monitor who watches each worker putting PPE on and taking it off.

This is to say Ebola is so hard to get you have to damn near try to do so... by exposing yourself to it directly.

To bump again jon and ghosts "NEW" CDC protocols.

The "NEW" part? A stronger recommendation to protect yourself.

I am sure all those 10,000 people in West Africa wer trying damn hard to get it. You are unbelievable.

Actually, I think they were trying about as hard as the could to get it. At least based on my understanding of how this is going down over there.

Africa ...the birthplace of life and killer infectious diseases.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I seriously don't understand why so many people are dog-piling Iron Sheik here. Granted, I haven't been following the thread from the beginning so maybe there's a good reason for it, but people are reacting to his proposal to quarantine doctors as if it's just self-evidently crazy, when that's very clearly not the case. It may be bad public policy if the costs (discouraging humanitarian assistance, personal inconvenience, lost income, etc) outweigh the public health benefits, but that's a trade-off that most of us are completely unqualified to evaluate. And lots of epidemiologists who are qualified to make that evaluation seem to think that quarantining people who have come into physical contact with ebola patients is the right thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that such quarantines where put into place in both Texas and New York.

What gives? Is this just politics? I get that a certain segment of people on the right have brought some crazy to this issue, but a lot of the hate directed at the Sheik seems to be rooted in the same kind of rejection of science as the nuts on the right.

Thanks, GB. I'm not sure I get the pile on, either, but that's cool. I feel like my arguments have been pretty rational, but I understand if people disagree. We'll never all agree on something like this. But I am definitely on the side of "proceed with caution" for now. As we start to learn more, I'm completely in favor of changing procedures as we go.

Shiek..this is no place for common sense.

 

[matuski]

As I said all along, the CDC's new "rigorous" training will revolve around not being a complete moron.

Tightened Guidance for U.S. Healthcare Workers on Personal Protective Equipment for EbolaThe enhanced guidance is centered on three principles:

• All healthcare workers undergo rigorous training and are practiced and competent with PPE, including putting it on and taking it off in a systemic manner
• No skin exposure when PPE is worn
• All workers are supervised by a trained monitor who watches each worker putting PPE on and taking it off.

This is to say Ebola is so hard to get you have to damn near try to do so... by exposing yourself to it directly.

To bump again jon and ghosts "NEW" CDC protocols.

The "NEW" part? A stronger recommendation to protect yourself.

I am sure all those 10,000 people in West Africa wer trying damn hard to get it. You are unbelievable.

Which has nothing to do with the "new CDC" protocol you were trying to use.

Further, I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

 

[3C's]

As I said all along, the CDC's new "rigorous" training will revolve around not being a complete moron.

Tightened Guidance for U.S. Healthcare Workers on Personal Protective Equipment for EbolaThe enhanced guidance is centered on three principles:

• All healthcare workers undergo rigorous training and are practiced and competent with PPE, including putting it on and taking it off in a systemic manner
• No skin exposure when PPE is worn
• All workers are supervised by a trained monitor who watches each worker putting PPE on and taking it off.

This is to say Ebola is so hard to get you have to damn near try to do so... by exposing yourself to it directly.

To bump again jon and ghosts "NEW" CDC protocols.

The "NEW" part? A stronger recommendation to protect yourself.

I am sure all those 10,000 people in West Africa wer trying damn hard to get it. You are unbelievable.

Actually, I think they were trying about as hard as the could to get it. At least based on my understanding of how this is going down over there.

Africa ...the birthplace of life and killer infectious diseases.

Born of mysterious US bio labs.

 

[matuski]

As I said all along, the CDC's new "rigorous" training will revolve around not being a complete moron.

Tightened Guidance for U.S. Healthcare Workers on Personal Protective Equipment for EbolaThe enhanced guidance is centered on three principles:

• All healthcare workers undergo rigorous training and are practiced and competent with PPE, including putting it on and taking it off in a systemic manner
• No skin exposure when PPE is worn
• All workers are supervised by a trained monitor who watches each worker putting PPE on and taking it off.

This is to say Ebola is so hard to get you have to damn near try to do so... by exposing yourself to it directly.

To bump again jon and ghosts "NEW" CDC protocols.

The "NEW" part? A stronger recommendation to protect yourself.

I am sure all those 10,000 people in West Africa wer trying damn hard to get it. You are unbelievable.

Actually, I think they were trying about as hard as the could to get it. At least based on my understanding of how this is going down over there.

I've asked jon about 20 times to go learn about how it is being spread there (in large part at least), but he has his head in the sand.

It is in the rivers you know?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

someone must have realized it is less presidential to let her leave quarantine than to lose a court case

Christie: Nurse quarantined in N.J. to be released

Quarantined in isolation.....Sounds like vacation to me...

 

[Doug B]

But exposure to an infected person carries risks that should not be overly downplayed either.

Let's pin this down: what constitutes "exposure to an infeected person"? Seems obvious and self-evident, but is it?

Hope I can find it today to link here ... but there are medical opinions out there that even coughs/sneezes don't transmit Ebola. That is must be blood, semen, feces, or vomit (not sure about stuff like pus, etc.).

 

[Aerial Assault]

Why is the nurse in NJ not allowed to be quarantined in her own apartment?

Fatso playing politics, of course. He's seen the error of his ways now. He's remarkably stupid.

 

[Doug B]

Thanks, GB. I'm not sure I get the pile on, either, but that's cool. I feel like my arguments have been pretty rational, but I understand if people disagree. We'll never all agree on something like this. But I am definitely on the side of "proceed with caution" for now. As we start to learn more, I'm completely in favor of changing procedures as we go.

Shiek..this is no place for common sense.

What I think it is, though, is that we're past that "need to learn more" stage with Ebola.

Don't mean Sheik, but there are folks out there who are positive the script is going to flip any day now: "Ummm ... remember how we said Ebola couldn't spread through X? Well, we have just now learned that it can."

I'm 100% that will never come to pass. But then, my say=so counts for squat.

 

[cosjobs]

As I said all along, the CDC's new "rigorous" training will revolve around not being a complete moron.

Tightened Guidance for U.S. Healthcare Workers on Personal Protective Equipment for EbolaThe enhanced guidance is centered on three principles:

• All healthcare workers undergo rigorous training and are practiced and competent with PPE, including putting it on and taking it off in a systemic manner
• No skin exposure when PPE is worn
• All workers are supervised by a trained monitor who watches each worker putting PPE on and taking it off.

This is to say Ebola is so hard to get you have to damn near try to do so... by exposing yourself to it directly.

To bump again jon and ghosts "NEW" CDC protocols.

The "NEW" part? A stronger recommendation to protect yourself.

I am sure all those 10,000 people in West Africa wer trying damn hard to get it. You are unbelievable.

Actually, I think they were trying about as hard as the could to get it. At least based on my understanding of how this is going down over there.

Africa ...the birthplace of life and killer infectious diseases.

Born of mysterious US bio labs.

David Ferrie's basement?

 

[Doug B]

Quarantined in isolation.....Sounds like vacation to me...

Not when you don't have control of where you're going to spend your quarantine. Absolutely, positively known that there is zero need to treat people without symptoms so much the same as those who do have symptoms (" forcibly confined to a hospital isolation tent", per USA Today link above in Fennis' post #3518).

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Quarantined in isolation.....Sounds like vacation to me...

Not when you don't have control of where you're going to spend your quarantine. Absolutely, positively known that there is zero need to treat people without symptoms so much the same as those who do have symptoms (" forcibly confined to a hospital isolation tent", per USA Today link above in Fennis' post #3518).

Here is the problem with that Doug.....You let these high risk people go wherever they want and you have the New York situation....Start having symptoms but maybe not enough at first to make you want to miss your bowling league..

 

[jon_mx]

But exposure to an infected person carries risks that should not be overly downplayed either.

Let's pin this down: what constitutes "exposure to an infeected person"? Seems obvious and self-evident, but is it?

Hope I can find it today to link here ... but there are medical opinions out there that even coughs/sneezes don't transmit Ebola. That is must be blood, semen, feces, or vomit (not sure about stuff like pus, etc.).

This is only partially correct, Ebola does not survive long in the air, but if you are sneezed upon you are at risk according to the CDC....

Can Ebola spread by coughing? By sneezing?Unlike respiratory illnesses like measles or chickenpox, which can be transmitted by virus particles that remain suspended in the air after an infected person coughs or sneezes, Ebola is transmitted by direct contact with body fluids of a person who has symptoms of Ebola disease. Although coughing and sneezing are not common symptoms of Ebola, if a symptomatic patient with Ebola coughs or sneezes on someone, and saliva or mucus come into contact with that person’s eyes, nose or mouth, these fluids may transmit the disease.

 

[Doug B]

Here is the problem with that Doug.....You let these high risk people go wherever they want and you have the New York situation....Start having symptoms but maybe not enough at first to make you want to miss your bowling league..

As I, personally, have learned more in the last few days, I've come to believe that these people aren't "high risk" at all. Going to post a few links in a few for information purposes.

Starting to dawn on me that even the incidental coughs and sneezes of an early-symptomatic (after the start of fever but before vomiting/diarrhea) Ebola patient are not especially dangerous except perhaps through unrealistically gross behavior.

 

[timschochet]

That nurse really ripped Christie; I just heard her comments:

"The governor said I was obviously ill, but I've never met the governor, and I feel fine. The governor seems to know very little about Ebola or how it spreads. His action was not recommend by the CDC or DWB, I doubt he consulted with any doctors at all..."

Damn.

 

[TheIronSheik]

That nurse really ripped Christie; I just heard her comments:

"The governor said I was obviously ill, but I've never met the governor, and I feel fine. The governor seems to know very little about Ebola or how it spreads. His action was not recommend by the CDC or DWB, I doubt he consulted with any doctors at all..."

Damn.

Going to be funny if she tests positive for Ebola.

 

[Sinn Fein]

That nurse really ripped Christie; I just heard her comments:

"The governor said I was obviously ill, but I've never met the governor, and I feel fine. The governor seems to know very little about Ebola or how it spreads. His action was not recommend by the CDC or DWB, I doubt he consulted with any doctors at all..."

Damn.

Yeah, Christie comes out looking bad in all of this, particularly since he has changed his mind and released her.

Cuomo just lucky this happened in NJ and not NY.

Nurse was absolutely correct when she said these decisions belong in the hands of medical professionals and not politicians.

 

[Doug B]

But exposure to an infected person carries risks that should not be overly downplayed either.

Let's pin this down: what constitutes "exposure to an infeected person"? Seems obvious and self-evident, but is it?

Hope I can find it today to link here ... but there are medical opinions out there that even coughs/sneezes don't transmit Ebola. That is must be blood, semen, feces, or vomit (not sure about stuff like pus, etc.).

This is only partially correct, Ebola does not survive long in the air, but if you are sneezed upon you are at risk according to the CDC....

Can Ebola spread by coughing? By sneezing?Unlike respiratory illnesses like measles or chickenpox, which can be transmitted by virus particles that remain suspended in the air after an infected person coughs or sneezes, Ebola is transmitted by direct contact with body fluids of a person who has symptoms of Ebola disease. Although coughing and sneezing are not common symptoms of Ebola, if a symptomatic patient with Ebola coughs or sneezes on someone, and saliva or mucus come into contact with that person’s eyes, nose or mouth, these fluids may transmit the disease.

That sounds to people like something that could readily happen. I maintain personally, though, that it's actually a pretty high hurdle for the virus to jump. For fluids from coughing/sneezing to get on my facial mucous membranes, I've got to be in close proximity -- closer than an arm's length.

 

[Fennis]

Quarantined in isolation.....Sounds like vacation to me...

Not when you don't have control of where you're going to spend your quarantine. Absolutely, positively known that there is zero need to treat people without symptoms so much the same as those who do have symptoms (" forcibly confined to a hospital isolation tent", per USA Today link above in Fennis' post #3518).

Here is the problem with that Doug.....You let these high risk people go wherever they want and you have the New York situation....Start having symptoms but maybe not enough at first to make you want to miss your bowling league..

Mashable has pics of her living conditions.

http://mashable.com/2014/10/26/ebola-quarantined-nurse-prison-living-quarters/

snip

Hickox said she doesn't have access to a shower or flushable toilet, and isn't allowed to talk to her lawyer.

"The tent has a window, and doctors talk to me in normal clothes from outside the window," she said. "So if there's no risk to them talking to me from outside the window, it doesn't make any sense that my lawyer wouldn't be able to do the same."

Hickox arrived at Newark Liberty International Airport on Friday, and was questioned over several hours, before being transported to the hospital. Although she said she has tested negative for Ebola twice, Hickox remains in quarantine.

 

[timschochet]

That nurse really ripped Christie; I just heard her comments:

"The governor said I was obviously ill, but I've never met the governor, and I feel fine. The governor seems to know very little about Ebola or how it spreads. His action was not recommend by the CDC or DWB, I doubt he consulted with any doctors at all..."

Damn.

Going to be funny if she tests positive for Ebola.

no it won't.

 

[jon_mx]

That nurse really ripped Christie; I just heard her comments:

"The governor said I was obviously ill, but I've never met the governor, and I feel fine. The governor seems to know very little about Ebola or how it spreads. His action was not recommend by the CDC or DWB, I doubt he consulted with any doctors at all..."

Damn.

Going to be funny if she tests positive for Ebola.

no it won't.

I think ironic was the word he was looking for.

 

[Sinn Fein]

That nurse really ripped Christie; I just heard her comments:

"The governor said I was obviously ill, but I've never met the governor, and I feel fine. The governor seems to know very little about Ebola or how it spreads. His action was not recommend by the CDC or DWB, I doubt he consulted with any doctors at all..."

Damn.

Going to be funny if she tests positive for Ebola.

Funny how? Like she's a clown? She amuse you? She make you laugh? Is she there to ####### amuse you? What do ya mean funny? Funny how? How is it funny?

 

[jon_mx]

Quarantined in isolation.....Sounds like vacation to me...

Not when you don't have control of where you're going to spend your quarantine. Absolutely, positively known that there is zero need to treat people without symptoms so much the same as those who do have symptoms (" forcibly confined to a hospital isolation tent", per USA Today link above in Fennis' post #3518).

Here is the problem with that Doug.....You let these high risk people go wherever they want and you have the New York situation....Start having symptoms but maybe not enough at first to make you want to miss your bowling league..

Mashable has pics of her living conditions.

http://mashable.com/2014/10/26/ebola-quarantined-nurse-prison-living-quarters/

snip

Hickox said she doesn't have access to a shower or flushable toilet, and isn't allowed to talk to her lawyer.

"The tent has a window, and doctors talk to me in normal clothes from outside the window," she said. "So if there's no risk to them talking to me from outside the window, it doesn't make any sense that my lawyer wouldn't be able to do the same."

Hickox arrived at Newark Liberty International Airport on Friday, and was questioned over several hours, before being transported to the hospital. Although she said she has tested negative for Ebola twice, Hickox remains in quarantine.

Seems like she is a bit of a drama queen despite having some legitimate points.

 

[msommer]

Quarantined in isolation.....Sounds like vacation to me...

Not when you don't have control of where you're going to spend your quarantine. Absolutely, positively known that there is zero need to treat people without symptoms so much the same as those who do have symptoms (" forcibly confined to a hospital isolation tent", per USA Today link above in Fennis' post #3518).

Here is the problem with that Doug.....You let these high risk people go wherever they want and you have the New York situation....Start having symptoms but maybe not enough at first to make you want to miss your bowling league..

Mashable has pics of her living conditions.

http://mashable.com/2014/10/26/ebola-quarantined-nurse-prison-living-quarters/

snip

Hickox said she doesn't have access to a shower or flushable toilet, and isn't allowed to talk to her lawyer.

"The tent has a window, and doctors talk to me in normal clothes from outside the window," she said. "So if there's no risk to them talking to me from outside the window, it doesn't make any sense that my lawyer wouldn't be able to do the same."

Hickox arrived at Newark Liberty International Airport on Friday, and was questioned over several hours, before being transported to the hospital. Although she said she has tested negative for Ebola twice, Hickox remains in quarantine.

Of course she doesn't have a flushable toilet. IT'LL GET IN THE RIVERS

 

[3C's]

But exposure to an infected person carries risks that should not be overly downplayed either.

Let's pin this down: what constitutes "exposure to an infeected person"? Seems obvious and self-evident, but is it?

Hope I can find it today to link here ... but there are medical opinions out there that even coughs/sneezes don't transmit Ebola. That is must be blood, semen, feces, or vomit (not sure about stuff like pus, etc.).

This is only partially correct, Ebola does not survive long in the air, but if you are sneezed upon you are at risk according to the CDC....

Can Ebola spread by coughing? By sneezing?Unlike respiratory illnesses like measles or chickenpox, which can be transmitted by virus particles that remain suspended in the air after an infected person coughs or sneezes, Ebola is transmitted by direct contact with body fluids of a person who has symptoms of Ebola disease. Although coughing and sneezing are not common symptoms of Ebola, if a symptomatic patient with Ebola coughs or sneezes on someone, and saliva or mucus come into contact with that person’s eyes, nose or mouth, these fluids may transmit the disease.

That sounds to people like something that could readily happen. I maintain personally, though, that it's actually a pretty high hurdle for the virus to jump. For fluids from coughing/sneezing to get on my facial mucous membranes, I've got to be in close proximity -- closer than an arm's length.

Hopefully people know by now not to sneeze on others, you know cover your mouth and all that.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Here is the problem with that Doug.....You let these high risk people go wherever they want and you have the New York situation....Start having symptoms but maybe not enough at first to make you want to miss your bowling league..

As I, personally, have learned more in the last few days, I've come to believe that these people aren't "high risk" at all. Going to post a few links in a few for information purposes.

Starting to dawn on me that even the incidental coughs and sneezes of an early-symptomatic (after the start of fever but before vomiting/diarrhea) Ebola patient are not especially dangerous except perhaps through unrealistically gross behavior.

I hear you and understand that these are the medical communities beliefs in regards to ebola....but are we, or should we be comfortable with that in regards to an infectious, potentially high kill rate virus.....Like the Sheik, I would error on the side of caution..what is the down side... inconvenience.

 

[timschochet]

That nurse really ripped Christie; I just heard her comments:

"The governor said I was obviously ill, but I've never met the governor, and I feel fine. The governor seems to know very little about Ebola or how it spreads. His action was not recommend by the CDC or DWB, I doubt he consulted with any doctors at all..."

Damn.

Going to be funny if she tests positive for Ebola.

no it won't.

I think ironic was the word he was looking for.

it wouldn't be that either.

 

[jon_mx]

That nurse really ripped Christie; I just heard her comments:

"The governor said I was obviously ill, but I've never met the governor, and I feel fine. The governor seems to know very little about Ebola or how it spreads. His action was not recommend by the CDC or DWB, I doubt he consulted with any doctors at all..."

Damn.

Going to be funny if she tests positive for Ebola.

Funny how? Like she's a clown? She amuse you? She make you laugh? Is she there to ####### amuse you? What do ya mean funny? Funny how? How is it funny?

I am guessing you have never heard of the word funny to mean abnormal, ironic, weird? I think the word choice was unfortunate, but it obviously was not meant to mean funny as in hysterical.

 

[3C's]

seems unfortunate word choices happen often here.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

That nurse really ripped Christie; I just heard her comments:

"The governor said I was obviously ill, but I've never met the governor, and I feel fine. The governor seems to know very little about Ebola or how it spreads. His action was not recommend by the CDC or DWB, I doubt he consulted with any doctors at all..."

Damn.

Going to be funny if she tests positive for Ebola.

Funny how? Like she's a clown? She amuse you? She make you laugh? Is she there to ####### amuse you? What do ya mean funny? Funny how? How is it funny?

I am guessing you have never heard of the word funny to mean abnormal, ironic, weird? I think the word choice was unfortunate, but it obviously was not meant to mean funny as in hysterical.

I think he was just doing a take from the movie Goodfella's

 

[Doug B]

I hear you and understand that these are the medical communities beliefs in regards to ebola....but are we, or should we be comfortable with that in regards to an infectious, potentially high kill rate virus.....Like the Sheik, I would error on the side of caution..what is the down side... inconvenience.

If we can't fully accept information from the medical community, where can we accept it from? Why are we waiting for some other shoe to drop?

That said, all Kaci Hickox really wanted (based on her essay) was to be allowed to go home to Maine, while asymptomatic, and commence self-monitoring.

 

[3C's]

That nurse really ripped Christie; I just heard her comments:

"The governor said I was obviously ill, but I've never met the governor, and I feel fine. The governor seems to know very little about Ebola or how it spreads. His action was not recommend by the CDC or DWB, I doubt he consulted with any doctors at all..."

Damn.

Going to be funny if she tests positive for Ebola.

Funny how? Like she's a clown? She amuse you? She make you laugh? Is she there to ####### amuse you? What do ya mean funny? Funny how? How is it funny?

I am guessing you have never heard of the word funny to mean abnormal, ironic, weird? I think the word choice was unfortunate, but it obviously was not meant to mean funny as in hysterical.

I think he was just doing a take from the movie Goodfella's

Joe Pesci at his best huh?

 

[jon_mx]

But exposure to an infected person carries risks that should not be overly downplayed either.

Let's pin this down: what constitutes "exposure to an infeected person"? Seems obvious and self-evident, but is it?

Hope I can find it today to link here ... but there are medical opinions out there that even coughs/sneezes don't transmit Ebola. That is must be blood, semen, feces, or vomit (not sure about stuff like pus, etc.).

This is only partially correct, Ebola does not survive long in the air, but if you are sneezed upon you are at risk according to the CDC....

Can Ebola spread by coughing? By sneezing?Unlike respiratory illnesses like measles or chickenpox, which can be transmitted by virus particles that remain suspended in the air after an infected person coughs or sneezes, Ebola is transmitted by direct contact with body fluids of a person who has symptoms of Ebola disease. Although coughing and sneezing are not common symptoms of Ebola, if a symptomatic patient with Ebola coughs or sneezes on someone, and saliva or mucus come into contact with that person’s eyes, nose or mouth, these fluids may transmit the disease.

That sounds to people like something that could readily happen. I maintain personally, though, that it's actually a pretty high hurdle for the virus to jump. For fluids from coughing/sneezing to get on my facial mucous membranes, I've got to be in close proximity -- closer than an arm's length.

I am not sure where you get this. The virus can live in bodily fluids for a long time. If there is blood or siliva that you come in contact with, even after the infect person has not been there for hours, it is still dangerous. Not that it is likily, but it is something that needs to be aware about. I am not going to drink out of a glass from an infected person. Obama did not even give a hug to the infected nurse, just the ones treating her after they had been santitized thoroughly.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I hear you and understand that these are the medical communities beliefs in regards to ebola....but are we, or should we be comfortable with that in regards to an infectious, potentially high kill rate virus.....Like the Sheik, I would error on the side of caution..what is the down side... inconvenience.

If we can't fully accept information from the medical community, where can we accept it from? Why are we waiting for some other shoe to drop?

That said, all Kaci Hickox really wanted (based on her essay) was to be allowed to go home to Maine, while asymptomatic, and commence self-monitoring.

Not to sound all conspiracy theory, but I think the CDC has been coaxed to turn down the fear factor....

 

[Fennis]

I think it would be funny

 

[timschochet]

Ditka Butkus and Jon Mx still trying to defend their earlier comments, along with those of so many irresponsible conservative politicians.

Guys, the debate is over. Your position no longer has any credibility, not that it ever did. We don't need travel bans and we don't need to quarantine people without symptoms. This disease doesn't spread quickly or easily and if you're one of the very few people who catch it, so long as you live in a country with halfway decent medical care and sanitation, you're likely to recover. Time to stop the panic.

 

[3C's]

If people are worried about healthcare workers coming back and twice daily reports of their temp isn't enough, maybe more active monitoring would help. Something like report in every 4 hours while away from home.

 

[TheIronSheik]

That nurse really ripped Christie; I just heard her comments:

"The governor said I was obviously ill, but I've never met the governor, and I feel fine. The governor seems to know very little about Ebola or how it spreads. His action was not recommend by the CDC or DWB, I doubt he consulted with any doctors at all..."

Damn.

Going to be funny if she tests positive for Ebola.

no it won't.

Yes it will.

 

[culdeus]

Wow, Christie looks AWFUL in all this. Now letting her out? What a joke.