Ebola (1 Viewer)

[3C's]

Found this story on Nigeria and "patient zero" quite interesting. And sad. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11349226

 

[Niles Standish]

This is what fear does to people. It is ludicrous to keep that kid out of school.

Milford Father Files Lawsuit After Daughter Told To Stay Home Amid Ebola Concerns

Opayemi said that he and his daughter had traveled to Nigeria for 10 days to attend a family wedding in which she was the flower girl.

U.S. authorities have focused on three African countries that have experienced outbreaks of the deadly Ebola virus: Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.

"We did not visit the three countries," Opayemi said.

But Ebola is present in Nigeria

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/09/05/ebola_map_sep5_fp.png?itok=2TloZY41

it seems that the school is erring on the side of extreme caution...schools are petri dishes...

Depends when she visited. Nigeria is ebola free currently. The US is not for another week or two. If she had traveled to Texas or Spain would you think a 21 day quarantine was over the line?

 

[jon_mx]

This is what fear does to people. It is ludicrous to keep that kid out of school.

Milford Father Files Lawsuit After Daughter Told To Stay Home Amid Ebola Concerns

Opayemi said that he and his daughter had traveled to Nigeria for 10 days to attend a family wedding in which she was the flower girl.

U.S. authorities have focused on three African countries that have experienced outbreaks of the deadly Ebola virus: Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.

"We did not visit the three countries," Opayemi said.

But Ebola is present in Nigeria

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/09/05/ebola_map_sep5_fp.png?itok=2TloZY41

it seems that the school is erring on the side of extreme caution...schools are petri dishes...

Depends when she visited. Nigeria is ebola free currently. The US is not for another week or two. If she had traveled to Texas or Spain would you think a 21 day quarantine was over the line?

That is an over-reaction by the school, but a few weeks off school is not the end of the world.

 

[3C's]

This is what fear does to people. It is ludicrous to keep that kid out of school.

Milford Father Files Lawsuit After Daughter Told To Stay Home Amid Ebola Concerns

Opayemi said that he and his daughter had traveled to Nigeria for 10 days to attend a family wedding in which she was the flower girl.

U.S. authorities have focused on three African countries that have experienced outbreaks of the deadly Ebola virus: Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.

"We did not visit the three countries," Opayemi said.

But Ebola is present in Nigeria

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/09/05/ebola_map_sep5_fp.png?itok=2TloZY41

it seems that the school is erring on the side of extreme caution...schools are petri dishes...

Depends when she visited. Nigeria is ebola free currently. The US is not for another week or two. If she had traveled to Texas or Spain would you think a 21 day quarantine was over the line?

That is an over-reaction by the school, but a few weeks off school is not the end of the world.

Other than someone now has to stay home to be with her if they're both working parents.

 

[Niles Standish]

This is what fear does to people. It is ludicrous to keep that kid out of school.

Milford Father Files Lawsuit After Daughter Told To Stay Home Amid Ebola Concerns

Opayemi said that he and his daughter had traveled to Nigeria for 10 days to attend a family wedding in which she was the flower girl.

U.S. authorities have focused on three African countries that have experienced outbreaks of the deadly Ebola virus: Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.

"We did not visit the three countries," Opayemi said.

But Ebola is present in Nigeria

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/09/05/ebola_map_sep5_fp.png?itok=2TloZY41

it seems that the school is erring on the side of extreme caution...schools are petri dishes...

Depends when she visited. Nigeria is ebola free currently. The US is not for another week or two. If she had traveled to Texas or Spain would you think a 21 day quarantine was over the line?

That is an over-reaction by the school, but a few weeks off school is not the end of the world.

It's not an overreaction, it's stupid. It's the equivalent of your boss saying you were in Ohio last week you have to take the next 21 days off work without pay. Maybe I could see forcing her to take a temperature in the morning and if she's over a certain number she's forced to stay home from school. But even that would be a huge overreaction.

 

[jon_mx]

New York City doctor with Ebola reportedly lied about his movements in city Published October 29, 2014

Spencer, 33, returned to New York from Guinea on Oct. 17 and was rushed to Bellevue Hospital Center on the morning of Oct. 23 with fatigue, nausea, and a 100-degree fever. In the intervening period, he traveled on three of the city's most heavily-trafficked subway lines, visited the High Line park and a Greenwich Village restaurant in lower Manhattan, and went for a three-mile run before going bowling at an alley in Brooklyn the day before he was hospitalized.

Spencer didn't admit the extent of his travels until a New York police officer "got on the phone and had to relay questions to him through the Health Department," the Post quoted a source as saying.

The doctor had spent the month prior to his return treating people with the deadly virus as a volunteer for Doctors Without Borders in West Africa. New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said Monday that Spencer's condition remains serious but stable. No infection has been found in his fiancee but she remains under quarantine at the couple's Harlem home. No one else has been reported as infected, and city health officials said New Yorkers should not be alarmed about contracting the disease.

More than 4,900 Ebola deaths have been reported this year during the current epidemic, nearly all of them in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.

BTW...now there is an outbreak in Congo with about 70 people infected.

 

[3C's]

This is what fear does to people. It is ludicrous to keep that kid out of school.

Milford Father Files Lawsuit After Daughter Told To Stay Home Amid Ebola Concerns

Opayemi said that he and his daughter had traveled to Nigeria for 10 days to attend a family wedding in which she was the flower girl.

U.S. authorities have focused on three African countries that have experienced outbreaks of the deadly Ebola virus: Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.

"We did not visit the three countries," Opayemi said.

But Ebola is present in Nigeria

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/09/05/ebola_map_sep5_fp.png?itok=2TloZY41

it seems that the school is erring on the side of extreme caution...schools are petri dishes...

Depends when she visited. Nigeria is ebola free currently. The US is not for another week or two. If she had traveled to Texas or Spain would you think a 21 day quarantine was over the line?

That is an over-reaction by the school, but a few weeks off school is not the end of the world.

It's not an overreaction, it's stupid. It's the equivalent of your boss saying you were in Ohio last week you have to take the next 21 days off work without pay. Maybe I could see forcing her to take a temperature in the morning and if she's over a certain number she's forced to stay home from school. But even that would be a huge overreaction.

Especially considering Nigeria hasn't had a new case in 7 weeks.

 

[jon_mx]

This is what fear does to people. It is ludicrous to keep that kid out of school.

Milford Father Files Lawsuit After Daughter Told To Stay Home Amid Ebola Concerns

Opayemi said that he and his daughter had traveled to Nigeria for 10 days to attend a family wedding in which she was the flower girl.

U.S. authorities have focused on three African countries that have experienced outbreaks of the deadly Ebola virus: Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.

"We did not visit the three countries," Opayemi said.

But Ebola is present in Nigeria

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/09/05/ebola_map_sep5_fp.png?itok=2TloZY41

it seems that the school is erring on the side of extreme caution...schools are petri dishes...

Depends when she visited. Nigeria is ebola free currently. The US is not for another week or two. If she had traveled to Texas or Spain would you think a 21 day quarantine was over the line?

That is an over-reaction by the school, but a few weeks off school is not the end of the world.

It's not an overreaction, it's stupid. It's the equivalent of your boss saying you were in Ohio last week you have to take the next 21 days off work without pay. Maybe I could see forcing her to take a temperature in the morning and if she's over a certain number she's forced to stay home from school. But even that would be a huge overreaction.

OK, it is a stupid overreaction. I have no idea why you disagree with the overreaction part except for maybe wanting to be arguementative.

 

[Niles Standish]

This is what fear does to people. It is ludicrous to keep that kid out of school.

Milford Father Files Lawsuit After Daughter Told To Stay Home Amid Ebola Concerns

Opayemi said that he and his daughter had traveled to Nigeria for 10 days to attend a family wedding in which she was the flower girl.

U.S. authorities have focused on three African countries that have experienced outbreaks of the deadly Ebola virus: Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.

"We did not visit the three countries," Opayemi said.

But Ebola is present in Nigeria

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/09/05/ebola_map_sep5_fp.png?itok=2TloZY41

it seems that the school is erring on the side of extreme caution...schools are petri dishes...

Depends when she visited. Nigeria is ebola free currently. The US is not for another week or two. If she had traveled to Texas or Spain would you think a 21 day quarantine was over the line?

That is an over-reaction by the school, but a few weeks off school is not the end of the world.

It's not an overreaction, it's stupid. It's the equivalent of your boss saying you were in Ohio last week you have to take the next 21 days off work without pay. Maybe I could see forcing her to take a temperature in the morning and if she's over a certain number she's forced to stay home from school. But even that would be a huge overreaction.

OK, it is a stupid overreaction. I have no idea why you disagree with the overreaction part except for maybe wanting to be arguementative.

An overreaction implies that there is some reason to react. Nigeria has not had a new case in so long that they are ebola free and there is absolutely no higher chance of ebola there than anywhere else that's ebola free in Africa. It's the equivalent of saying people who were in South Africa aren't allowed to go to school.

 

[jon_mx]

An argument over semantics is not winnable. You can assume whatever you like. I was not implying that there was any justification for their reaction. They were reacting to something, that something was she was just in Nigeria. Their reaction was over the top.

 

[Harry Manback]

An argument over semantics is not winnable. You can assume whatever you like. I was not implying that there was any justification for their reaction. They were reacting to something, that something was she was just in Nigeria. Their reaction was over the top.

But Nigeria has been Ebola free for sometime now.

 

[jon_mx]

An argument over semantics is not winnable. You can assume whatever you like. I was not implying that there was any justification for their reaction. They were reacting to something, that something was she was just in Nigeria. Their reaction was over the top.

But Nigeria has been Ebola free for sometime now.

That is why it is an overreaction.

 

[Josie Maran]

An argument over semantics is not winnable. You can assume whatever you like. I was not implying that there was any justification for their reaction. They were reacting to something, that something was she was just in Nigeria. Their reaction was over the top.

But Nigeria has been Ebola free for sometime now.

That is why it is an overreaction.

But why do you keep acting like all the over reactions are acceptable?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

This is what fear does to people. It is ludicrous to keep that kid out of school.

Milford Father Files Lawsuit After Daughter Told To Stay Home Amid Ebola Concerns

Opayemi said that he and his daughter had traveled to Nigeria for 10 days to attend a family wedding in which she was the flower girl.

U.S. authorities have focused on three African countries that have experienced outbreaks of the deadly Ebola virus: Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.

"We did not visit the three countries," Opayemi said.

But Ebola is present in Nigeria

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/09/05/ebola_map_sep5_fp.png?itok=2TloZY41

it seems that the school is erring on the side of extreme caution...schools are petri dishes...

Depends when she visited. Nigeria is ebola free currently. The US is not for another week or two. If she had traveled to Texas or Spain would you think a 21 day quarantine was over the line?

That is an over-reaction by the school, but a few weeks off school is not the end of the world.

It's not an overreaction, it's stupid. It's the equivalent of your boss saying you were in Ohio last week you have to take the next 21 days off work without pay. Maybe I could see forcing her to take a temperature in the morning and if she's over a certain number she's forced to stay home from school. But even that would be a huge overreaction.

Especially considering Nigeria hasn't had a new case in 7 weeks.

But it could still be in their rivers

 

[Doug B]

New York City doctor with Ebola reportedly lied about his movements in city Published October 29, 2014

Spencer, 33, returned to New York from Guinea on Oct. 17 and was rushed to Bellevue Hospital Center on the morning of Oct. 23 with fatigue, nausea, and a 100-degree fever. In the intervening period, he traveled on three of the city's most heavily-trafficked subway lines, visited the High Line park and a Greenwich Village restaurant in lower Manhattan, and went for a three-mile run before going bowling at an alley in Brooklyn the day before he was hospitalized.

Where was this published? This paragraph describes a bunch of riskless behavior. EDIT: Found a link at Fox News.

That said, Hickox and Spencer aren't doing anyone favors digging their heels in. The American public just haven't internalized yet the lack of risk that these doctors take for granted -- but knowing that, they shouldn't be acting to make the situations worse for other returning aid workers.

 

[jon_mx]

This is what fear does to people. It is ludicrous to keep that kid out of school.

Milford Father Files Lawsuit After Daughter Told To Stay Home Amid Ebola Concerns

Opayemi said that he and his daughter had traveled to Nigeria for 10 days to attend a family wedding in which she was the flower girl.

U.S. authorities have focused on three African countries that have experienced outbreaks of the deadly Ebola virus: Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.

"We did not visit the three countries," Opayemi said.

But Ebola is present in Nigeria

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/09/05/ebola_map_sep5_fp.png?itok=2TloZY41

it seems that the school is erring on the side of extreme caution...schools are petri dishes...

Depends when she visited. Nigeria is ebola free currently. The US is not for another week or two. If she had traveled to Texas or Spain would you think a 21 day quarantine was over the line?

That is an over-reaction by the school, but a few weeks off school is not the end of the world.

It's not an overreaction, it's stupid. It's the equivalent of your boss saying you were in Ohio last week you have to take the next 21 days off work without pay. Maybe I could see forcing her to take a temperature in the morning and if she's over a certain number she's forced to stay home from school. But even that would be a huge overreaction.

Especially considering Nigeria hasn't had a new case in 7 weeks.

But it could still be in their rivers

There are no ebola-ridden dead bodies being dumped into their rivers, so they are OK.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

This is what fear does to people. It is ludicrous to keep that kid out of school.

Milford Father Files Lawsuit After Daughter Told To Stay Home Amid Ebola Concerns

Opayemi said that he and his daughter had traveled to Nigeria for 10 days to attend a family wedding in which she was the flower girl.

U.S. authorities have focused on three African countries that have experienced outbreaks of the deadly Ebola virus: Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.

"We did not visit the three countries," Opayemi said.

But Ebola is present in Nigeria

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/09/05/ebola_map_sep5_fp.png?itok=2TloZY41

it seems that the school is erring on the side of extreme caution...schools are petri dishes...

Depends when she visited. Nigeria is ebola free currently. The US is not for another week or two. If she had traveled to Texas or Spain would you think a 21 day quarantine was over the line?

That is an over-reaction by the school, but a few weeks off school is not the end of the world.

It's not an overreaction, it's stupid. It's the equivalent of your boss saying you were in Ohio last week you have to take the next 21 days off work without pay. Maybe I could see forcing her to take a temperature in the morning and if she's over a certain number she's forced to stay home from school. But even that would be a huge overreaction.

Especially considering Nigeria hasn't had a new case in 7 weeks.

But it could still be in their rivers

There are no ebola-ridden dead bodies being dumped into their rivers, so they are OK.

You don't know that for sure. It could be in the rain as well.

 

[jon_mx]

An argument over semantics is not winnable. You can assume whatever you like. I was not implying that there was any justification for their reaction. They were reacting to something, that something was she was just in Nigeria. Their reaction was over the top.

But Nigeria has been Ebola free for sometime now.

That is why it is an overreaction.

But why do you keep acting like all the over reactions are acceptable?

Where did I say acceptable? There are going to be overreactions to things people are unfamiliar with. Too much drama on both sides, IMHO.

 

[jon_mx]

This is what fear does to people. It is ludicrous to keep that kid out of school.

Milford Father Files Lawsuit After Daughter Told To Stay Home Amid Ebola Concerns

Opayemi said that he and his daughter had traveled to Nigeria for 10 days to attend a family wedding in which she was the flower girl.

U.S. authorities have focused on three African countries that have experienced outbreaks of the deadly Ebola virus: Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.

"We did not visit the three countries," Opayemi said.

But Ebola is present in Nigeria

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/09/05/ebola_map_sep5_fp.png?itok=2TloZY41

it seems that the school is erring on the side of extreme caution...schools are petri dishes...

Depends when she visited. Nigeria is ebola free currently. The US is not for another week or two. If she had traveled to Texas or Spain would you think a 21 day quarantine was over the line?

That is an over-reaction by the school, but a few weeks off school is not the end of the world.

It's not an overreaction, it's stupid. It's the equivalent of your boss saying you were in Ohio last week you have to take the next 21 days off work without pay. Maybe I could see forcing her to take a temperature in the morning and if she's over a certain number she's forced to stay home from school. But even that would be a huge overreaction.

Especially considering Nigeria hasn't had a new case in 7 weeks.

But it could still be in their rivers

There are no ebola-ridden dead bodies being dumped into their rivers, so they are OK.

You don't know that for sure. It could be in the rain as well.

Not unless than rain has the ability to carry dead bodies. I am unfamilar with such rains, but perhaps global warming may bring those kind of weather events.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

You don't know that for sure. It could be in the rain as well.

Not unless than rain has the ability to carry dead bodies. I am unfamilar with such rains, but perhaps global warming may bring those kind of weather events.

Dead bodies in rivers. Water evaporates then rains down. Ebola in the rain. Its simple exponential mathematics.

 

[Parrothead]

It's like ebola rain on your wedding day

 

[B-Deep]

here is wha5 has me confused

if we do not trust the CDC or the government then why are we supposed to freely trust them to correctly decide who to quarantine and who not to?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

here is wha5 has me confused

if we do not trust the CDC or the government then why are we supposed to freely trust them to correctly decide who to quarantine and who not to?

We shouldn't.....That is why all people traveling from that region should be quarantined......The fact is those people have choices...Stay there or come over here and abide by our requirements. Simple...If you don't like the inconvenience...then don't come over.

 

[B-Deep]

here is wha5 has me confused

if we do not trust the CDC or the government then why are we supposed to freely trust them to correctly decide who to quarantine and who not to?

We shouldn't.....That is why all people traveling from that region should be quarantined......The fact is those people have choices...Stay there or come over here and abide by our requirements. Simple...If you don't like the inconvenience...then don't come over.

what about the slippery slope?

if you enpower the government to quarantine all travelers from an entitre area, might they not extend that?

couldn't obama quarantine all travelers from Texas just to incvonience an area where he has no influence?

couldn't Chritsy quarantine political foes to harass them?

aren't you unleashing Pandora's box by allowing the government to imprison people based on their travel habits?

i am not really concerned about that crap, but it seems to me people with a giant fear of the government who think the CDC is corrupt based on nothing more than their being a government agency, are now freely allowing governments to lock people up for 21 days and think nothing of it...it makes no sense to me

 

[Doug B]

What about the slippery slope?


if you enpower the government to quarantine all travelers from an entitre area, might they not extend that?

couldn't obama quarantine all travelers from Texas just to incvonience an area where he has no influence?

couldn't Chritsy quarantine political foes to harass them?

aren't you unleashing Pandora's box by allowing the government to imprison people based on their travel habits?

Great point.

I think any governmental entity that aims to impose quarantine should have to fulfill a pretty high standard of imminent danger to a community. "People are worried" isn't good enough. But that's in a perfect world, in which we don't live.

 

[humpback]

Seems like there was a lot more outrage at Christie than this CT fellow. Weird.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

What about the slippery slope?


if you enpower the government to quarantine all travelers from an entitre area, might they not extend that?

couldn't obama quarantine all travelers from Texas just to incvonience an area where he has no influence?

couldn't Chritsy quarantine political foes to harass them?

aren't you unleashing Pandora's box by allowing the government to imprison people based on their travel habits?

Great point.

I think any governmental entity that aims to impose quarantine should have to fulfill a pretty high standard of imminent danger to a community. "People are worried" isn't good enough. But that's in a perfect world, in which we don't live.

This sounds good....but what is the criteria?.....In my opinion Ebola is right there....Now I know all about how it is tough to catch etc....But we are allowing people to self monitor, and that just doesn't seem like a reliable system...When you have a contagious disease with a high kill rate and no vaccination, to me quarantines are not unreasonable...Sure people are going to be inconvenienced initially, but in doing so it keeps the disease in check and gives the scientist time to develop a vaccination.

 

[Fennis]

Seems like there was a lot more outrage at Christie than this CT fellow. Weird.

Maine. And probably because no one knows the name of the Republican governor of Maine.

 

[Fennis]

Never forget the real victims of Ebola. Republicans.

 

[B-Deep]

What about the slippery slope?


if you enpower the government to quarantine all travelers from an entitre area, might they not extend that?

couldn't obama quarantine all travelers from Texas just to incvonience an area where he has no influence?

couldn't Chritsy quarantine political foes to harass them?

aren't you unleashing Pandora's box by allowing the government to imprison people based on their travel habits?

Great point.

I think any governmental entity that aims to impose quarantine should have to fulfill a pretty high standard of imminent danger to a community. "People are worried" isn't good enough. But that's in a perfect world, in which we don't live.

This sounds good....but what is the criteria?.....In my opinion Ebola is right there....Now I know all about how it is tough to catch etc....But we are allowing people to self monitor, and that just doesn't seem like a reliable system...When you have a contagious disease with a high kill rate and no vaccination, to me quarantines are not unreasonable...Sure people are going to be inconvenienced initially, but in doing so it keeps the disease in check and gives the scientist time to develop a vaccination.

the flu?

and for pro quarantine people, are you also for government mandated vaccines?

the same arguments for one can be made for the other, it seems

 

[Joe Summer]

Kaci Hickox is an American hero.

 

[Apple Jack]

Ebola does not have a high kill rate within the US healthcare system.

 

[Parrothead]

Seems like there was a lot more outrage at Christie than this CT fellow. Weird.

Maine. And probably because no one knows the name of the Republican governor of Maine.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/27/connecticut-enacts-mandatory-quarantine-policy-over-ebola-concerns/

Connecticut too

 

[B-Deep]

Also

if temperature is a key indicator, shouldn't we use the most reliable method of obtaining a person's temperature?

yes, I am talking rectal. From what i know it is widely accepted as the most accurate method of getting someone's body temperature, if lives depedn on knowing someone's temp why would we not use the most accurate gauge we have?

 

[Apple Jack]

Also

if temperature is a key indicator, shouldn't we use the most reliable method of obtaining a person's temperature?

yes, I am talking rectal. From what i know it is widely accepted as the most accurate method of getting someone's body temperature, if lives depedn on knowing someone's temp why would we not use the most accurate gauge we have?

FEAR of teh explosive dia kicking it at an...unfortunate time.

 

[B-Deep]

Also

if temperature is a key indicator, shouldn't we use the most reliable method of obtaining a person's temperature?

yes, I am talking rectal. From what i know it is widely accepted as the most accurate method of getting someone's body temperature, if lives depedn on knowing someone's temp why would we not use the most accurate gauge we have?

FEAR of teh explosive dia kicking it at an...unfortunate time.

if so you have found someone to quarantine!

i get the feeling people think a rectal thermometer is more of an imposition than 21 days in lockdown

 

[humpback]

Seems like there was a lot more outrage at Christie than this CT fellow. Weird.

Maine. And probably because no one knows the name of the Republican governor of Maine.

CT is where this school case is, and happens to be the state with the most mandatory Ebola quarantines in the country. Also happens to have a D governor.

 

[timschochet]

Ditka Butkis please explain: if the flu is more contagious than Ebola, and kills many more people than Ebola (in ratios of thousands to one) then why not quarantine anyone who doesn't get a flu shot?

 

[jon_mx]

What about the slippery slope?


if you enpower the government to quarantine all travelers from an entitre area, might they not extend that?

couldn't obama quarantine all travelers from Texas just to incvonience an area where he has no influence?

couldn't Chritsy quarantine political foes to harass them?

aren't you unleashing Pandora's box by allowing the government to imprison people based on their travel habits?

Great point.

I think any governmental entity that aims to impose quarantine should have to fulfill a pretty high standard of imminent danger to a community. "People are worried" isn't good enough. But that's in a perfect world, in which we don't live.

This sounds good....but what is the criteria?.....In my opinion Ebola is right there....Now I know all about how it is tough to catch etc....But we are allowing people to self monitor, and that just doesn't seem like a reliable system...When you have a contagious disease with a high kill rate and no vaccination, to me quarantines are not unreasonable...Sure people are going to be inconvenienced initially, but in doing so it keeps the disease in check and gives the scientist time to develop a vaccination.

the flu?

and for pro quarantine people, are you also for government mandated vaccines?

the same arguments for one can be made for the other, it seems

are you against government mandated vaccines such as mumps, measles, rubella, tenanus, polio? The same arguements are made and they are mandated by states and they stand up in court. You can make slippery slope arguments for almost anything and they all end up absurd. Let's stick to what is actually being discussed and not some hypothetical extention of the absurd.

 

[B-Deep]

What about the slippery slope?


if you enpower the government to quarantine all travelers from an entitre area, might they not extend that?

couldn't obama quarantine all travelers from Texas just to incvonience an area where he has no influence?

couldn't Chritsy quarantine political foes to harass them?

aren't you unleashing Pandora's box by allowing the government to imprison people based on their travel habits?

Great point.

I think any governmental entity that aims to impose quarantine should have to fulfill a pretty high standard of imminent danger to a community. "People are worried" isn't good enough. But that's in a perfect world, in which we don't live.

This sounds good....but what is the criteria?.....In my opinion Ebola is right there....Now I know all about how it is tough to catch etc....But we are allowing people to self monitor, and that just doesn't seem like a reliable system...When you have a contagious disease with a high kill rate and no vaccination, to me quarantines are not unreasonable...Sure people are going to be inconvenienced initially, but in doing so it keeps the disease in check and gives the scientist time to develop a vaccination.

the flu?

and for pro quarantine people, are you also for government mandated vaccines?

the same arguments for one can be made for the other, it seems

are you against government mandated vaccines such as mumps, measles, rubella, tenanus, polio? The same arguements are made and they are mandated by states and they stand up in court. You can make slippery slope arguments for almost anything and they all end up absurd. Let's stick to what is actually being discussed and not some hypothetical extention of the absurd.

are you for or against against mandatory vaccines?

this is not some hypothetical extension of the absurd but a legit question. IF the government can take away someone's freedom to protect others from a possible virus, why couldn't it take away someones freedom if they refuse to be vaccinated against a possible virus.

I do not know how many people Ebola will kill, i know polio and the measles and rubella have killed scores of people.

i have not come out for or against quarantines, i am simply asking questions. One of those is are the pro quarantine people pro mandatory vaccines, and conversely are the anti quarantine people against mandatory vaccines. The issues seem related to me.

 

[B-Deep]

i am one of the people truly in between on this. I have not yet made up my mind if we are erring on the side of caution, or stomping on people's rights

 

[B-Deep]

It's the whole wrath of kahn paradox

the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one

YET

the many is made up of the few, and by devaluing the needs of the few you are by default devaluing the needs of the many

it's a tightrope we have to walk on all of these issues. Personal liberty vs safety and security

 

[jon_mx]

Ebola does not have a high kill rate within the US healthcare system.

Considering the sample size to date, you can not say that with any real confidence. And what are we spending on each case? Probably $1 million per case. I think the guy in New York is going to exceed that cost.

 

[Harry Manback]

It's the whole wrath of kahn paradox

the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one

YET

the many is made up of the few, and by devaluing the needs of the few you are by default devaluing the needs of the many

it's a tightrope we have to walk on all of these issues. Personal liberty vs safety and security

I'm just saying, if we stick things up more peoples butts everyone will be happier.

 

[Joe Summer]

Is there any way we can use this situation to quarantine Jenny McCarthy?

 

[Apple Jack]

Ebola does not have a high kill rate within the US healthcare system.

Considering the sample size to date, you can not say that with any real confidence. And what are we spending on each case? Probably $1 million per case. I think the guy in New York is going to exceed that cost.

New book, poised to sweep internet board rooms...Who Moved my Goalpost?

 

[B-Deep]

It's the whole wrath of kahn paradox

the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one

YET

the many is made up of the few, and by devaluing the needs of the few you are by default devaluing the needs of the many

it's a tightrope we have to walk on all of these issues. Personal liberty vs safety and security

I'm just saying, if we stick things up more peoples butts everyone will be happier.

i am clearly pro-rectal thermometers

we have already had one person detained for an inaccurate body temperature reading

i'd rather stick a thermometer in 100 people's butts than imprison one person when it is not needed*

*please note that not having any medical background I personally would not be sticking anything in anyone's butt

 

[jon_mx]

What about the slippery slope?


if you enpower the government to quarantine all travelers from an entitre area, might they not extend that?

couldn't obama quarantine all travelers from Texas just to incvonience an area where he has no influence?

couldn't Chritsy quarantine political foes to harass them?

aren't you unleashing Pandora's box by allowing the government to imprison people based on their travel habits?

Great point.

I think any governmental entity that aims to impose quarantine should have to fulfill a pretty high standard of imminent danger to a community. "People are worried" isn't good enough. But that's in a perfect world, in which we don't live.

This sounds good....but what is the criteria?.....In my opinion Ebola is right there....Now I know all about how it is tough to catch etc....But we are allowing people to self monitor, and that just doesn't seem like a reliable system...When you have a contagious disease with a high kill rate and no vaccination, to me quarantines are not unreasonable...Sure people are going to be inconvenienced initially, but in doing so it keeps the disease in check and gives the scientist time to develop a vaccination.

the flu?

and for pro quarantine people, are you also for government mandated vaccines?

the same arguments for one can be made for the other, it seems

are you against government mandated vaccines such as mumps, measles, rubella, tenanus, polio? The same arguements are made and they are mandated by states and they stand up in court. You can make slippery slope arguments for almost anything and they all end up absurd. Let's stick to what is actually being discussed and not some hypothetical extention of the absurd.

are you for or against against mandatory vaccines?

this is not some hypothetical extension of the absurd but a legit question. IF the government can take away someone's freedom to protect others from a possible virus, why couldn't it take away someones freedom if they refuse to be vaccinated against a possible virus.

I do not know how many people Ebola will kill, i know polio and the measles and rubella have killed scores of people.

i have not come out for or against quarantines, i am simply asking questions. One of those is are the pro quarantine people pro mandatory vaccines, and conversely are the anti quarantine people against mandatory vaccines. The issues seem related to me.

I favor vaccines and quarantines in limited situations. I think the exposure the nurse in NJ/Maine had, it justifies some kind of monitoring and restrictions so she is not out there exposing more people.

 

[tom22406]

Could somebody pm me when I need to start to panic over this.TIA!

Now back to yoga pants!

 

[jon_mx]

Could somebody pm me when I need to start to panic over this.TIA!

Now back to yoga pants!

When there are stains in the back of the yoga pants it is time to panic.