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Eddie Lacy or Giovani Bernard (1 Viewer)

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Considering the quality RB's ar thin, I thought it would be pertinant to compare Eddie Lacy & Giovani Bernard as they appear to be drafted pretty close to eachother (or at least close enough that you typically can't draft both).

Both rookies seem to have nice upside as RB2's:

  • Lacy being the larger back, looking good in preseason (aside from the last game) in pass blocking, and breaking some nice runs, but is in a passing offense with Rodgers.
  • Bernard the "smaller/ quicker" back who's looked impressive thus far, but still has the possibility (ableit slight) that Green-Ellis might steal touches.
I've flip flopped on these 2 a number of times already, but am currently leaning toward Lacy at this time.

what are your thoughts on both backs and if you had to pick one?

 
I'm faced with this same situation in my keeper league. I'll have my pick of Lacy, Miller or Bernard and if I had to drft today I would go with Lacy. We're as good as the info we have and right now it would appear that he's quite possible the 3-doan back on a damn good offense and will get GL carries.

My only pause in taking him is that I have Rodgers and I dont like putting all those eggs in one basket. I would take MIller second out of the 3.

 
In a keeper league, I like Gio Bernard. In a redraft, I like Lacy, since he's the undisputed starter from game one.

 
I think Lacy over Gio in all redraft formats. Definitely Gio in dynasty though. Even though BGE is a plodder and Gio has looked great, this will be a committee.

 
My leagues are all standard scoring redraft, so...Eddie Lacy.

But I have Bernard in more leagues (only have Lacy in one...though I have Bernard in that one too) since I was able to get him a good bit later.

 
In a keeper league, I like Gio Bernard. In a redraft, I like Lacy, since he's the undisputed starter from game one.
That's the way I see it.

My main league is a keeper, and I keep going back and forth between the two. Siding towards Gio since I think he has the potential making of an do-it-all star. I don't see a guy like Lacy having many years of production given his style, and would seem a guy that could be more easily replaced in a few years than the more dynamic Gio.

Injuries notwithanding for either, of course.

 
While I'm not a regular contributor on the forums, I had the luxury of drafting both and I think they're both outstanding backs.

Lacy's in a stable situation in GB, and GB appears to want to even out the offense a bit more while Rodgers ages. And he's likely capable of 225 - 250 touches.

Bernard's in an up and coming offense that will ease him into a good workload, but also has to defend the pass.

I think you're in a spot where you can't go wrong no matter which way you go.

 
In PPR and standard, I'd be inclined to go Lacy (especially with the latest news on Harris) mostly because he's the solidified starter and I expect 1,000+ yards and double digit TDs.

Gio will undoubtedly overtake BGE at some point in the season, we just don't know when that will happen. If Gio was the unquestioned starter, I'd take him over Lacy in PPR.

 
Nobody is worried at all about the GB offensive line? That line looks really bad. Lacy's position as the starter and lead back is preferable, but the Bengal O-line and Lewis's penchant for running the ball seems to just about even out their situations IMO. Gio seems like the more talented back to me.

I guess it depends on what you're drafting the guy as. If you're taking him as your RB #2, I think Lacy is the play. If you are grabbing him as your #3 with the hopes of him possibly turning into a top 5 RB, I think you go with Gio.

That's how I see the situation anyway.

 
Bernard has a chance to be a truly special player. If you are taking Lacy over Bernard, you either haven't watched the two play, or you already own Lacy and have already hitched your wagon to him.

Bernard is going to be a superstar. Lacy will be a solid RB, but not in the same league.

 
Bernard has a chance to be a truly special player. If you are taking Lacy over Bernard, you either haven't watched the two play, or you already own Lacy and have already hitched your wagon to him.

Bernard is going to be a superstar. Lacy will be a solid RB, but not in the same league.
I agree. Gio will have the job to himself before mid-season. I'm not discounting Lacy but we all know Rodgers is gonna throw the ball. I think if they try to run too much that it might affect Rodger's production, just my opinion. Know doubt I think GB needs a bellcow and that should be Lacy. If he catches the ball well outta the backfield and can pass protect he'll probably have a better season the Bernard. GB has a lot of backs right now and they still seem to like DuJuan Harris. They might shuffle a lot of backs early til they're comfortable with one guy which should be Lacy. I was going to draft Lacy over Bernard but he went 2 picks before me so I took Bernard. I guess as of now BJGE is the starter but I see a lot of projections with Bernard having the better numbers. We'll see.

Shows how much I've been paying attention. Heard mention of Harris messing up his knee and maybe be IR'ed. If true Lacy gets a big bump.

 
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Great discussion. Looks like many of us are wrestling with this very decision.

Slight hijack: Assume it's a keeper situation and you added Miller and David Wilson to the mix to make it a 4-way contest.

What's the pecking order now?

 
I faced this same decision in a dynasty league with standard scoring. I went with Lacy mainly because I'm not sure Bernard can run effectively through the tackles like a ray rice or maurice jones-drew. I see a westbrook/bush type player who while maybe having a longer career than Lacy, won't bring the same few of seasons of dominance it takes to win fantasy championships.

 
While I'm not a regular contributor on the forums, I had the luxury of drafting both and I think they're both outstanding backs.

Lacy's in a stable situation in GB, and GB appears to want to even out the offense a bit more while Rodgers ages. And he's likely capable of 225 - 250 touches.

Bernard's in an up and coming offense that will ease him into a good workload, but also has to defend the pass.

I think you're in a spot where you can't go wrong no matter which way you go.
Same here and agree.

 
I went with Lacy mainly because I'm not sure Bernard can run effectively through the tackles like a ray rice or maurice jones-drew. I see a westbrook/bush type player who while maybe having a longer career than Lacy, won't bring the same few of seasons of dominance it takes to win fantasy championships.
I see it the opposite way.

Not sure if Gio can run between the tackles well (although haven't heard any issues there), but he seems like a guy that, if he's as good as advertised, can dominate and win championships. That is, he can be a guy that will be on the field in all situations. Lacy may also be that guy, but it remains to be seen whether he'll be involved heavily in the passing game - lots of points to be had in the passing game when a team can't or isn't running the ball well.

 
Nobody is worried at all about the GB offensive line? That line looks really bad. Lacy's position as the starter and lead back is preferable, but the Bengal O-line and Lewis's penchant for running the ball seems to just about even out their situations IMO. Gio seems like the more talented back to me.

I guess it depends on what you're drafting the guy as. If you're taking him as your RB #2, I think Lacy is the play. If you are grabbing him as your #3 with the hopes of him possibly turning into a top 5 RB, I think you go with Gio.

That's how I see the situation anyway.
I'm midly worried about the OL. Like another guy said (cant remember which thread) you're going to have to pick who is on the field. If you're going small then Lacy should be in a great situation. If you go big then Rodgers can go off. That combined with the hurry-up and it can get hard on defenses late in the games.

I think Bernard looks awesome too...but Lacy gives me Steven Jackson vibes, is that a bad thing at 22 yo?

 
Bernard has a chance to be a truly special player. If you are taking Lacy over Bernard, you either haven't watched the two play, or you already own Lacy and have already hitched your wagon to him.

Bernard is going to be a superstar. Lacy will be a solid RB, but not in the same league.
I don't draft until the 4th--I would consider Lacy over him simply because of playing time. One seems to have a lot and who knows what the other will have

 
Great discussion. Looks like many of us are wrestling with this very decision.

Slight hijack: Assume it's a keeper situation and you added Miller and David Wilson to the mix to make it a 4-way contest.

What's the pecking order now?
I would go:

Wilson

Lacy

Miller

Bernard

But I wouldnt mind ending up with any one of them actually. I can see 2 of those 4 breaking the top 10, or I should say that it wouldnt shock me if they did

 
Bernard has a chance to be a truly special player. If you are taking Lacy over Bernard, you either haven't watched the two play, or you already own Lacy and have already hitched your wagon to him.

Bernard is going to be a superstar. Lacy will be a solid RB, but not in the same league.
I agree. Gio will have the job to himself before mid-season. I'm not discounting Lacy but we all know Rodgers is gonna throw the ball. I think if they try to run too much that it might affect Rodger's production, just my opinion. Know doubt I think GB needs a bellcow and that should be Lacy. If he catches the ball well outta the backfield and can pass protect he'll probably have a better season the Bernard. GB has a lot of backs right now and they still seem to like DuJuan Harris. They might shuffle a lot of backs early til they're comfortable with one guy which should be Lacy. I was going to draft Lacy over Bernard but he went 2 picks before me so I took Bernard. I guess as of now BJGE is the starter but I see a lot of projections with Bernard having the better numbers. We'll see.

Shows how much I've been paying attention. Heard mention of Harris messing up his knee and maybe be IR'ed. If true Lacy gets a big bump.
I'm sorry, but this is my favorite misconception of the GB offense. Did you know that GB (16th) attempted to run the ball more than CIN (17th) last year? This was also without a solidified stater as Benson went down early and Green/Starks underwhelmed for the rest of the year.

Lacy is best pure runner GB has had since A. Green. The injury concerns are real, but they're my only concerns at this point.

 
I have this exact choice to make at the 1.02 pick tonight in our contract keeper league. It's ppr and I already have Forte, Sproles and Vereen so I don't need immediate production since we only start 2 RB's so I'm going with Bernard. I had Bell all but picked already until last week's injury.

 
I should also add this. I drafted Bernard 1.03 in our rookie draft (I have no idea how he fell that far) and Lacy at 1.07. Given that same scenario, I'd do it all over again. I think Bernard's the surer bet of the two, but, I love both.

Also, I agree with SameSongNDance. This is most likely the most complete back GB has had since the Ahman Green days. The reason GB likely has not run the ball as effectively as in the past is because they've always had decent runners but not feature back talent to work with. I do not have any doubts that, sans injury, Lacy can handle the duties of a feature back. I think he broke 6 tackles in one run vs St Louis in week 2 of the preseason but if you look back there were entire years where Cedric Benson would break a total of 10 tackles across 250+ carries. It's a sign of great things if you ask me.

 
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Anyone concerned about the Lacy/Ingram similarity? I'm not talking about going to Bama or even their respective talent. I'm talking about being an afterthought in a clear pass-first offense.

Ingram was even more highly regarded than Lacy coming out of college and he's been a complete fantasy buzzkill. Why will Lacy's situation be any better, especially behind an OL with question marks?

 
Anyone concerned about the Lacy/Ingram similarity? I'm not talking about going to Bama or even their respective talent. I'm talking about being an afterthought in a clear pass-first offense.

Ingram was even more highly regarded than Lacy coming out of college and he's been a complete fantasy buzzkill. Why will Lacy's situation be any better, especially behind an OL with question marks?
Could be. The main differeances would be the other RB's. There's no Thomas, Sproles or Ivory in GB

 
Anyone concerned about the Lacy/Ingram similarity? I'm not talking about going to Bama or even their respective talent. I'm talking about being an afterthought in a clear pass-first offense.

Ingram was even more highly regarded than Lacy coming out of college and he's been a complete fantasy buzzkill. Why will Lacy's situation be any better, especially behind an OL with question marks?
Who does Green Bay have that you worry about catching 70-80 passes out of the backfield by subbing in for Lacy on passing downs??

Who would Ivory be?

Bush?

 
The news of Harris being IR'd, (albeit terrible for him) makes me very excited for Lacy's prospects this year. I think he should get enough touches to make him a very good RB2. The potential for consistent TDs is high enough that he could crack into RB1 territory.

 
In PPR and standard, I'd be inclined to go Lacy (especially with the latest news on Harris) mostly because he's the solidified starter and I expect 1,000+ yards and double digit TDs.

Gio will undoubtedly overtake BGE at some point in the season, we just don't know when that will happen. If Gio was the unquestioned starter, I'd take him over Lacy in PPR.
I don't buy that this will "undoubtedly" happen.

 
I guess it depends on what you're drafting the guy as. If you're taking him as your RB #2, I think Lacy is the play. If you are grabbing him as your #3 with the hopes of him possibly turning into a top 5 RB, I think you go with Gio.

That's how I see the situation anyway.
Strictly talking redraft here... I agree with that and even go a little lighter on Bernard. In a redraft I would only take him as a #4 with the hopes he would be relevant in the second half of the season. If you're expecting big things from Bernard from week 1, you'll be disappointed, whereas like you said you have to take Lacy if you want instant production. It's going to take a little while for Bernard to be an every week fantasy starter IMO.

 
Anyone concerned about the Lacy/Ingram similarity? I'm not talking about going to Bama or even their respective talent. I'm talking about being an afterthought in a clear pass-first offense.

Ingram was even more highly regarded than Lacy coming out of college and he's been a complete fantasy buzzkill. Why will Lacy's situation be any better, especially behind an OL with question marks?
Not just Thomas and Sproles as mentioned already, but the Saints also had the worst defense in NFL history last year. They were almost never in a position to run the ball consistently. I don't see Green Bay having that problem.

 
Bernard has a chance to be a truly special player. If you are taking Lacy over Bernard, you either haven't watched the two play, or you already own Lacy and have already hitched your wagon to him.

Bernard is going to be a superstar. Lacy will be a solid RB, but not in the same league.
agree shader well said.. Gio for sure for me, as I think Gio could be a first round pick next year for redraft and dynasty start ups... Guy is a monster and I could see a season similar to how CJ spiller was used as people thought he was underused but could be good reps for GIO... 200 carries and 50 catches is not out of the question for GIO... that would be about 1000 rushing yards and 500 rec with 50 catches and 6-8 tds... in ppr that equates to 248 in ppr ... and thats low for me. If he gets more carries he could be far better but I think that's his floor. He has the IT factor and is a special talent.

 
With drafts coming up this weekend, figured I'd bump this for any more thoughts.

Keep going back and forth on these guys - in redraft, I'm higher on Lacy, but for keeper/dynasty Bernard.

 
bernard looks real good, right now I have lacy one slot higher because of harris' injury, but love bernard and want him on my team.

 
With drafts coming up this weekend, figured I'd bump this for any more thoughts.

Keep going back and forth on these guys - in redraft, I'm higher on Lacy, but for keeper/dynasty Bernard.
I lean slightly more towards Lacy in a redraft this year since Harris was put on IR, but I think Bernard is capable of having a rookie season like Chris Johnson did when he shared time with Lendale White. The Bengals are a well balanced team, and I think he will be a big asset to them with his versatility. For keeper/dynasty I would go with Bernard. Hopefully they both will have great careers in the NFL.

 
I think Lacy over Gio in all redraft formats. Definitely Gio in dynasty though. Even though BGE is a plodder and Gio has looked great, this will be a committee.
I think this pretty well sums up my thoughts on it.

I love Gio but BJGE is going to get 200 or so carries this year and most of the GL carries.

 
I would say Lacy if we're strictly talking 2013. However...he could wind up being the better long term option as well.

Lacy is going into a situation where the leading offensive snap compiler in the GB backfield was John Kuhn with 343. Prior to being injured though, Cedric Benson was averaging 47 snaps/game (if you take into account that he played 1 quarter in his 5th game. Pro-rating Benson's YFS stats out for a 16 game season, he would have come in around 1300 YFS with 320 touches...and this with a 3.5 YPC.

I think people are underestimating Lacy and his situation a bit. Even with the horrible talent in GB's backfield after Benson got hurt, GB still came in but 11th in Pass Attempts + Sacks in 2012. They were 12th in 2011. Point being is that McCarthy is much more committed to the ground game than people seem to give GB credit for. And Lacy is the best option they've had back there since Ryan Grant.

So the opportunity is very much there for Lacy to come in and put together a 280-300 touch season.

 
With drafts coming up this weekend, figured I'd bump this for any more thoughts.

Keep going back and forth on these guys - in redraft, I'm higher on Lacy, but for keeper/dynasty Bernard.
I lean slightly more towards Lacy in a redraft this year since Harris was put on IR, but I think Bernard is capable of having a rookie season like Chris Johnson did when he shared time with Lendale White. The Bengals are a well balanced team, and I think he will be a big asset to them with his versatility. For keeper/dynasty I would go with Bernard. Hopefully they both will have great careers in the NFL.
That's kind of the way I see it.

I'm focusing more on my keeper league, and Bernard tends to intrigue me more since he has a very diverse skill set that seems to translate well to today's game. Lacy strikes me as a guy that could have a dynamite rookie year, but also a shorter career with his running style. That's also not to say that Franklin doesn't emerge at some point to be the lightning to Lacy's thunder.

 
With all the Pro Days now behind us, teams are in the middle of their final Draft meetings. So for the final ten days we are going to continue to compare and contrast two players who play the same position. This will give you the insight into the small things that can separate top prospects.

Today we compare two of the top running backs, North Carolina’s Giovani Bernard and Alabama’s Eddie Lacy, in the Draft.

In a year with no premier running back prospects, two of the better ones are Giovani Bernard and Eddie Lacy, but they are drastically different players.

Naturally instinctive with great vision, Bernard is consistently able to find an open hole/crease and has the burst to get through it fast. Patient running with the ball, Bernard follows his blockers well, sits on their hip, can make the sharp cut off their blocks and gets through the front line of defense quickly. While Lacy also displays good instincts and finds the hole well when he keeps his head/eyes up, he lacks the explosive burst to consistently get through the hole before it closes. He often has to rely upon his playing strength to drive through contact as the hole starts to close before he gets through it and that will not be as effective in the NFL. The biggest issue is his bad habit of ducking his head down when he lowers his shoulders and this causes him to lose sight of the blockers and the potential hole, meaning he runs blind.

Bernard has the quick burst and speed to get the edge and the sharp cutting ability to make the great cut-back to get through the backside hole. Not only effective on plays that start to the outside, he consistently has shown the ability to change directions fast and bounce the run outside when the inside hole is clogged up. Once he gets outside he is a dangerous runner as he can make sharp cuts to get to a hole/crease, has an explosive burst through the hole and the elusiveness to easily make tacklers miss. As opposed to Bernard, Lacy’s outside running is very dependent on the blocking he receives as he lacks the explosive burst and speed to get the corner consistently. While Bernard gets to full speed fast, Lacy needs time to build to full speed which hinders his ability to get outside in time. Whether it is an inside or outside run, to be successful, backs in the NFL must have the quickness, agility and balance to change directions fast enough to avoid defenders who shoot into the backfield or drive their blockers into the backfield before the play really gets started. While Bernard is a better outside runner and Lacy is better between the tackles, it is not close in terms of contributing as a receiver and making big plays when they have the ball in the open field.

Although Lacy definitely needs to get quicker getting through holes, he has the size and strength to be a powerful runner between the tackles if he can. He has the playing strength and balance to run through arm/grab tackles and to keep his feet versus hard hits to always gain yards after contact and fall forward for the extra yard or two at the end of the run. Bernard is not as effective running between the tackles as he lacks the bulk and playing strength to break tackles and consistently gain yards after contact. Although Lacy is definitely a better inside runner, Bernard’s ability to get through a clean hole faster than Lacy and to make tacklers miss within the hole should enable him to be productive running between the tackles in the NFL. While inside running goes to Lacy, outside running is where Bernard separates himself.

Lacy catches the easy passes well enough, but he does not have the soft hands to adjust and make tough catches. In the games evaluated seemed to fight the ball more often than not. Once he catches the ball, he is a strong and aggressive runner after the catch that consistently gains yards after contact. He is not however an elusive runner and lacks home run speed to out-run angles and score long TD’s.

Bernard on the other hand has soft hands and can pluck the ball easily, although occasionally he will take his eyes off the ball and lets it get into his body. After the catch, Bernard has the change of direction ability to easily make tacklers miss, is dangerous cutting back plays and has the speed to take plays the distance.

The one area Lacy bests Bernard in the passing game is pass protection. Lacy is a strong and physical pass blocker who gets after man aggressively, stays over feet and has the strength to tie up and eliminate man. Bernard was not used much to stay in and pass block and when he was he was not effective as he lacks good technique and gives an inconsistent effort. He was usually asked to chip a defender as he went out on route and did just an adequate job doing that.

In the end, neither Lacy or Bernard warrants being selected in the first round in my opinion, but both have the tools to be solid starting backs. Lacy will need to do a better of job of keeping his head up to avoid losing vision and running into his blockers/traffic. His best chance of success is to be drafted by a power running team with a strong offensive line that can give him time and space to get to full speed before he has to deal with a tackler. Whereas Bernard is not going to be a power back, but with some added weight could turn out to be an excellent inside runner. He is a more dangerous big play back who can be a dangerous receiver out of the backfield, which is so vital in today’s NFL. I would draft Bernard ahead of Lacy if I were making the choice because he has the potential to contribute in more areas than Lacy and is a legit big play threat every time he touches the ball.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Pick-your-Poison-Giovani-Bernard-vs-Eddie-Lacy.html
 
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Whereas Bernard is not going to be a power back, but with some added weight could turn out to be an excellent inside runner. He is a more dangerous big play back who can be a dangerous receiver out of the backfield, which is so vital in today’s NFL. I would draft Bernard ahead of Lacy if I were making the choice because he has the potential to contribute in more areas than Lacy and is a legit big play threat every time he touches the ball.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Pick-your-Poison-Giovani-Bernard-vs-Eddie-Lacy.html
Good article - thanks for posting, Bia.

I think those last few sentences encapsulate why I went with Gio over Lacy. Gio is smaller and doesn't run as well between the tackles, but no reason he can't bulk up for next year when he is the presumed feature back. He is also a more dynamic player, which will give him playing time in all situations, and that's key for us fantasy guys.

 
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Gio all day. Dynasty and re-draft both.

Gio's going to be every bit as dangerous as Spiller, McCoy, and Charles. BJGE might start and eat up alot of those 3 YD carries between the tackles, but that'll only serve to keep Gio fresh.

I'll take him over Lacy watching Rodgers put every GB possession in the EZ one way or another.

 
I think folks seem to be too concerned with Bernard's size. He got the label as a small guy somehow, but he's not a scat back. He's just very quick. He's effective running inside, and he's actually reasonably dense.

He's right in line with the David Wilson/Rice/Gore/D Williams body type and he's more substantial than McCoy/Spiller/Chris Johnson types. He's listed at 208, but he's also only 21 years old and likely able to sustain/increase that. He's plenty big to get the job done, inside or out.

And he's playing for one of the better teams in football that happens to love to run, even in the red zone.

 
Bengals rookie RB Giovani Bernard finished the preseason with three one-yard touchdowns.
The implication being, he's building a résumé near the goal line. BenJarvus Green-Ellis started Thursday evening's preseason finale, but it was Bernard who capped off Cincinnati's opening drive with another one-yard touchdown. BJGE didn't score this summer. Bernard's official early-season role might be "change-of-pace player," but it's written in pencil. He could easily overtake the LawFirm as Cincy's No. 1 back. Bernard is a high-end FLEX option, and the Bengals back to own
i know its only preseason but I think it does show he can run between the tackles and he wont neccessarly be taken out in goal line situations.

i got him in the 5th round and while i dont love him currently as my 2nd running back and the end of season it could turn out to be a giant steal

 
it has to be Lacy right now. last year Packers ran 365 times with their RBs, Bengals 359. Packers backs caught 54 passes, Bengals caught 42. It's clear Lacy has the easiest path to a large share of their respective workloads. Lacy will almost certainly get more carries, catch more passes, and get more goal line carries. Bernard will have to outproduce him on a per play basis to a really large amount to beat Lacy. don't think this is close at all, Lacy has to be the pick right now

 

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