Eddie Royal and Dwayne Bowe (1 Viewer)

[bluesclues]

These guys started out on fire in their rookie years and now have dwindled to a light flame.

Any thought on the two of them moving forward i they will hold value in PPR format?

I think if Marshall goes Royal could regain value.

Also, with Weiss in KC - that could help Bowe alongside with Chambers.

Thoughts?

 

[PranksterJD]

These guys started out on fire in their rookie years and now have dwindled to a light flame.Any thought on the two of them moving forward i they will hold value in PPR format?I think if Marshall goes Royal could regain value.Also, with Weiss in KC - that could help Bowe alongside with Chambers.Thoughts?

There was a link or tweet recently that talked about McDaniels chastising himself over his use of Eddie Royal. I think he gets an uptick in the coming years, but not sure he ever hits NFL WR1 status.Bowe was supposed to get a huge boost when Haley took over the Chiefs last year, and did nothing but find his way to the doghouse multiple times. Feels like a career underachiever.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Eddie Royal has a nice combination of quicks, good hands, and route running ability. If used correctly I believe he can be a major contributor. I think with a year in McDaniels offense under his belt and another offseason he will be able to put together some nice numbers. I would speculate his upside at WR2.

Bowe can be dominant WR when he decides to be. However I really question his desire to take it to the next level. He does not catch me as a guy who stays after practice to work on his game. This makes it difficult to project him going forward. If he gets his crap together he can be a stud, if not we have probably seen his best by now.

Both seem to be good buy lows in dynasty (based on current market conditions).

 

[Tanner9919]

Bowe = Roy Williams, v2.0..

Royal = Lee Evans, v2.0

both are teases to fantasy owners..just like Evans, Royal gives you just enough 'WOW' moments to make you want to keep him, and when you finally use him, he wets the bed.

Bowe can be another T.O., but he's closer to Roy Williams in that he doesn't seem to go all-out, doesn't seem to be anything special. I doubt he ever will be anything more than a Roy Williams clone.

 

[JPeso]

Bowe = Roy Williams, v2.0..Royal = Lee Evans, v2.0both are teases to fantasy owners..just like Evans, Royal gives you just enough 'WOW' moments to make you want to keep him, and when you finally use him, he wets the bed.Bowe can be another T.O., but he's closer to Roy Williams in that he doesn't seem to go all-out, doesn't seem to be anything special. I doubt he ever will be anything more than a Roy Williams clone.

This is silly.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

to the jump to wild conclusions thread.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

Bowe = Roy Williams, v2.0..Royal = Lee Evans, v2.0both are teases to fantasy owners..just like Evans, Royal gives you just enough 'WOW' moments to make you want to keep him, and when you finally use him, he wets the bed.Bowe can be another T.O., but he's closer to Roy Williams in that he doesn't seem to go all-out, doesn't seem to be anything special. I doubt he ever will be anything more than a Roy Williams clone.

This is silly.

+1, think tanner's way off on both. About the op's comment, don't you think Eddie Royal's value will be higher with Marshall staying in Denver? That offense as a whole went through a hefty transition this year from last and Marshall's absence in training camp + new QB hurt a lot I think. Considering the sudden changes that the Broncos went through with Cutler leaving the passing offense held together better than I expected. Orton or no Orton I think Royal definitely elevates to a WR2 with Marshall, falls further without him. I don't see Royal being a legit WR1 for any team.I would give Bowe another year also. I didn't watch any KC games this year so I don't know if he mailed it in, but in prior year it seemed like he caught everything thrown his way. He faced a much tougher coverage this year without Gonzo lining up, I'm guessing that had a lot to do with the drop off in production.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Im buying Royal in dynasties right now.

D.Bowe is an enigma but too talented to not produce.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Bowe = Roy Williams, v2.0..Royal = Lee Evans, v2.0both are teases to fantasy owners..just like Evans, Royal gives you just enough 'WOW' moments to make you want to keep him, and when you finally use him, he wets the bed.Bowe can be another T.O., but he's closer to Roy Williams in that he doesn't seem to go all-out, doesn't seem to be anything special. I doubt he ever will be anything more than a Roy Williams clone.

I can definitely see the Roy comparison. They both seem to have been spoiled by having too much early success. Bowe's great rookie and 2nd years led him to come to camp out of shape and think he doesn't have to try hard. Roy compiled lots of stats with Martz's offense but that might have hid some deficiencies exposed when he moved to Dallas. I think Bowe's reaction to his problems are a bit different than Roy's. Roy blames every one. Bowe seems embarrassed. It's a put up or shut up year for Bowe, and I think he knows this. If he gains a work ethic, I think it will be obvious Day 1 of camp and he might deliver on being a top 12 dynasty WR like he was thought of before 09. Without that, he's still probably a WR3.I don't think Royal is as good as Evans. The only knock on Evans is the team around him. His talent is hard to question. Royal has talent too, but faced a huge learning curve with the a new offense in his second year and failed. They asked him to do more, line up all over the field, and he couldn't do it. I don't think the light bulb will turn on for him right away, but it might eventually (maybe end of 2010). McDaniels might tailor some plays to get him involved, but I don't think he will make wholesale changes. Royal has to learn how to play WR in his offense. Denver is counting on it by likely getting rid of Marshall and Scheffler, but it's not going to happen overnight.

 

[Not Sure]

Both of these guys are buys in dynasty leagues right now IMO. I am particularly interested in Bowe since I think he has the physical ability to be an elite WR and I am very interested in seeing what Weis can do with him and Cassel. I think there is huge potential there. I don't think Royal is on that level, but he has interesting potential nonetheless.

 

[thehornet]

Bowe is awesome when given targets. Royal is very good when given targets.

Outside of a suspension. Bowe should be back to producing like years 1 and 2.

Royal is very questionable and could go wither way imo.

 

[thehornet]

And for the record, Bowe is a lot tougher mentally and physically then ROY ever was.

 

[Max Power]

Dwayne Bowe was on my list of Dynasty buy-low guys.

for as much as people want to downplay his year, he didn't do that bad. He was dinged up in one game and not featured in another (Charles ran for 259 yards). You take out those two fluke games and he was ranked the 18th WR on a PPG basis. Right there between Calvin and Boldin.

I know, I know...Bending stats to make a point.

 

[Banger]

While both guys are buys, I'd give Bowe a big B and Royal a little b. They are in different classes IMO. Bowe will probably be ranked around 20th and I'll be targetting him in every draft.

 

[az_prof]

Bowe is awesome when given targets. Royal is very good when given targets.Outside of a suspension. Bowe should be back to producing like years 1 and 2. Royal is very questionable and could go wither way imo.

You have to factor in the possibility of suspension for Bowe because he already has been suspended once for violating the leagues performance-enhancing drug policy and if he violates it again the penalty is a full year. In addition, you have to ask yourself how much of his early success may have been due to the assistance of using performance enhancing drugs and if his future performance will decline if he stops. One more positive test and he is on your bench for a full season.In Royal's case, the major cause of concern IMO is the uncertainty at QB (Will Orton return or will it be some new QB?) and the unpredictability of McFail. Also, the offense McFail installed simply is not beneficial to the kind of player Royal is. Finally, the uncertainty regarding Marshall because I do not see Royal as the kind of player who will regularly be able to beat double coverage if he is the team's WR1. So both players are coming off bad seasons and there is a lot of uncertainty about both. There is a reason that their value is low so the question is whether you can get them low enough to make the risks worth it. I think they both have the potential to rebound but there is a great deal of uncertainty regarding both players.

 

[Daniel Shirley]

KC homer here, to chime in some thoughts about D-Bowe.

One thing I know is that the line was for most of 09 an atrocious mess. Obviously, this doesn't bode well for the QB and certainly not for the WR. However, the departure of mr 2.7 larry johnson and the emergence of a quality running game in JC plays to force the defenses to respect the run a little bit more, and not be as aggressive on the pass rush and thus giving MC more time to find his reads. I think this, combined with OL upgrades in the off season/draft (If KC does not take R McClain or E Berry, I suspect they will take LT R Okung or reach for LT B Buluga if they like him enough). Taking a LT in the draft would allow B Albert to either A)Move to right tackle, or B)Slide to the interior of one of the guard spots (his college position). The better protection will at least give MC time to look for DBowe. The rest is on The Show, but for the most part I don't feel he was even given the opportunity to even make plays early on in '09. However, moving away from Herm the Worm as a coach in his first two seasons, he wasn't getting all the quick WR Screens and 2 yard Slants (PPR) that Herm's only plats in the passing game in season 3.

Oh, and RE: Eddie Royal. All Denver players are terrible

 

[5-ish Finkle]

to the jump to wild conclusions thread.

Is that what this is? Awesome!::waits patiently for an LHUCKS' sighting::

 

[thevidon]

Bowe is awesome when given targets. Royal is very good when given targets.

Outside of a suspension. Bowe should be back to producing like years 1 and 2.

Royal is very questionable and could go wither way imo.

You have to factor in the possibility of suspension for Bowe because he already has been suspended once for violating the leagues performance-enhancing drug policy and if he violates it again the penalty is a full year. In addition, you have to ask yourself how much of his early success may have been due to the assistance of using performance enhancing drugs and if his future performance will decline if he stops. One more positive test and he is on your bench for a full season.

He took a diuretic to drop weight. I really wish people would stop making it sound like steroids or something. I doubt his future performance will drop because he is peeing less frequently than when he was taking a diuretic.

 

[az_prof]

Bowe is awesome when given targets. Royal is very good when given targets.

Outside of a suspension. Bowe should be back to producing like years 1 and 2.

Royal is very questionable and could go wither way imo.

You have to factor in the possibility of suspension for Bowe because he already has been suspended once for violating the leagues performance-enhancing drug policy and if he violates it again the penalty is a full year. In addition, you have to ask yourself how much of his early success may have been due to the assistance of using performance enhancing drugs and if his future performance will decline if he stops. One more positive test and he is on your bench for a full season.

He took a diuretic to drop weight. I really wish people would stop making it sound like steroids or something. I doubt his future performance will drop because he is peeing less frequently than when he was taking a diuretic.

The problem is that everyone knows those drugs are masking agents for steroids. Using a masking agent is the same as testing positive for the steroids themselves. The NFL does not suspend players four games for being on a diet. He was punished for violating the leagues performance enhancing drug policy. That's a fact. And if he uses that "diuretic" as you call it again, he will be suspended for a whole season.

 

[thevidon]

Bowe is awesome when given targets. Royal is very good when given targets.

Outside of a suspension. Bowe should be back to producing like years 1 and 2.

Royal is very questionable and could go wither way imo.

You have to factor in the possibility of suspension for Bowe because he already has been suspended once for violating the leagues performance-enhancing drug policy and if he violates it again the penalty is a full year. In addition, you have to ask yourself how much of his early success may have been due to the assistance of using performance enhancing drugs and if his future performance will decline if he stops. One more positive test and he is on your bench for a full season.

He took a diuretic to drop weight. I really wish people would stop making it sound like steroids or something. I doubt his future performance will drop because he is peeing less frequently than when he was taking a diuretic.

The problem is that everyone knows those drugs are masking agents for steroids. Using a masking agent is the same as testing positive for the steroids themselves. The NFL does not suspend players four games for being on a diet. He was punished for violating the leagues performance enhancing drug policy. That's a fact. And if he uses that "diuretic" as you call it again, he will be suspended for a whole season.

When someone shows up to camp overweight and is told they need to cut weight immediately or lose their starting job......then tests positive for a diuretic......I tend to assume it was for weight loss purposes.

 

[Pack43]

Im buying Royal in dynasties right now.D.Bowe is an enigma but too talented to not produce.

What have you had to give up for Royal?

 

[Crippler]

KC homer here, to chime in some thoughts about D-Bowe.One thing I know is that the line was for most of 09 an atrocious mess. Obviously, this doesn't bode well for the QB and certainly not for the WR. However, the departure of mr 2.7 larry johnson and the emergence of a quality running game in JC plays to force the defenses to respect the run a little bit more, and not be as aggressive on the pass rush and thus giving MC more time to find his reads. I think this, combined with OL upgrades in the off season/draft (If KC does not take R McClain or E Berry, I suspect they will take LT R Okung or reach for LT B Buluga if they like him enough). Taking a LT in the draft would allow B Albert to either A)Move to right tackle, or B)Slide to the interior of one of the guard spots (his college position). The better protection will at least give MC time to look for DBowe. The rest is on The Show, but for the most part I don't feel he was even given the opportunity to even make plays early on in '09. However, moving away from Herm the Worm as a coach in his first two seasons, he wasn't getting all the quick WR Screens and 2 yard Slants (PPR) that Herm's only plats in the passing game in season 3.Oh, and RE: Eddie Royal. All Denver players are terrible

Why did Chambers have better numbers with same situation and he is considered a career underachieverI like both the Roy Williams and lesser Lee Evans comparison

 

[az_prof]

Bowe is awesome when given targets. Royal is very good when given targets.

Outside of a suspension. Bowe should be back to producing like years 1 and 2.

Royal is very questionable and could go wither way imo.

You have to factor in the possibility of suspension for Bowe because he already has been suspended once for violating the leagues performance-enhancing drug policy and if he violates it again the penalty is a full year. In addition, you have to ask yourself how much of his early success may have been due to the assistance of using performance enhancing drugs and if his future performance will decline if he stops. One more positive test and he is on your bench for a full season.

He took a diuretic to drop weight. I really wish people would stop making it sound like steroids or something. I doubt his future performance will drop because he is peeing less frequently than when he was taking a diuretic.

The problem is that everyone knows those drugs are masking agents for steroids. Using a masking agent is the same as testing positive for the steroids themselves. The NFL does not suspend players four games for being on a diet. He was punished for violating the leagues performance enhancing drug policy. That's a fact. And if he uses that "diuretic" as you call it again, he will be suspended for a whole season.

When someone shows up to camp overweight and is told they need to cut weight immediately or lose their starting job......then tests positive for a diuretic......I tend to assume it was for weight loss purposes.

Do you know what a diuretic does? It doesn't make you lose weight permanently. It causes you to pee a lot and so you lose water weight. But that is temporary. Bowe showed up 30 pounds overweight. No diuretic was going to cause him to lose 30 pounds. http://www.health24.com/fitness/Diet_Suppl...1-513,20910.asp

Why would Bowe take it then? Because it is a masking agent for steroids. The only person saying that Bowe was only trying to lose weight and that is why he took the banned substance is Bowe's agent. Mmmmm. Do you think he is objective or would he have a vested interest in pretending that his client was innocent? It amazes me how people are willing to turn a blind eye to performance enhancing drug use in sports. I remember watching Bonds, Sosa and McGuire and there was no question in my mind that they were doping. I stopped watching baseball then. When people use drugs to improve their performance it undermines the integrity of the game. It's cheating. I just don't see how people can be so willing to overlook violations and why they want to pretend nothing happened.

Bottom line is that if Bowe uses a similar substance again and is caught he will be suspended for a full season.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Bowe is awesome when given targets. Royal is very good when given targets.

Outside of a suspension. Bowe should be back to producing like years 1 and 2.

Royal is very questionable and could go wither way imo.

You have to factor in the possibility of suspension for Bowe because he already has been suspended once for violating the leagues performance-enhancing drug policy and if he violates it again the penalty is a full year. In addition, you have to ask yourself how much of his early success may have been due to the assistance of using performance enhancing drugs and if his future performance will decline if he stops. One more positive test and he is on your bench for a full season.

He took a diuretic to drop weight. I really wish people would stop making it sound like steroids or something. I doubt his future performance will drop because he is peeing less frequently than when he was taking a diuretic.

The problem is that everyone knows those drugs are masking agents for steroids. Using a masking agent is the same as testing positive for the steroids themselves. The NFL does not suspend players four games for being on a diet. He was punished for violating the leagues performance enhancing drug policy. That's a fact. And if he uses that "diuretic" as you call it again, he will be suspended for a whole season.

When someone shows up to camp overweight and is told they need to cut weight immediately or lose their starting job......then tests positive for a diuretic......I tend to assume it was for weight loss purposes.

You guys are ignoring the whole "Grandma gave me potassium pills" argument that is his public excuse. I like the convenient excuse he just wanted to drop weight. But if it is so convenient, why isn't he giving it? Also, if he was out of shape, he would also want to take steroids to build muscle quickly. Also common sense.Personally, I just work under the assumption many if not most are using. Even if they get caught, like Bowe, they will just be more careful next time. A lot of players pretty clearly used and never got caught. I can't use this to devalue players.

 

[lyon812]

Here's the whole story, for those who haven't caught up with it:

http://www.kansascity.com/159/story/166146...nk=omni_popular

 

[Two Deep]

Bowe is awesome when given targets. Royal is very good when given targets.

Outside of a suspension. Bowe should be back to producing like years 1 and 2.

Royal is very questionable and could go wither way imo.

You have to factor in the possibility of suspension for Bowe because he already has been suspended once for violating the leagues performance-enhancing drug policy and if he violates it again the penalty is a full year. In addition, you have to ask yourself how much of his early success may have been due to the assistance of using performance enhancing drugs and if his future performance will decline if he stops. One more positive test and he is on your bench for a full season.

He took a diuretic to drop weight. I really wish people would stop making it sound like steroids or something. I doubt his future performance will drop because he is peeing less frequently than when he was taking a diuretic.

The problem is that everyone knows those drugs are masking agents for steroids. Using a masking agent is the same as testing positive for the steroids themselves. The NFL does not suspend players four games for being on a diet. He was punished for violating the leagues performance enhancing drug policy. That's a fact. And if he uses that "diuretic" as you call it again, he will be suspended for a whole season.

When someone shows up to camp overweight and is told they need to cut weight immediately or lose their starting job......then tests positive for a diuretic......I tend to assume it was for weight loss purposes.

I believe the problem is they assume they are taking a diuretic to cause them to piss other substances out of their system.