Eddie Royal: post wk 1 disaster (1 Viewer)

[Deuce'sWild]

So I listened to the hype week 1 and started Royal, despite what my gut was telling me....and the result was 18 yds on 2 catches (vs the Bengals no less).

This week he's at home and playing the Browns. I sat Gage last week and watched him do very well vs the Steelers. Not sure I can stomach another performance from Royal this week.

What's the feeling on him vs the Browns?

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Not me. I think it's an Orton problem more than a Royal problem but either way it's a problem. I'm starting Holt this week.

 

[GoldenBear]

I have Bowe, TO, Royal, and Driver, and there's honestly not one I'd start Royal in front of this week.

 

[cheese]

The Browns secondary is pretty terrible, but I'm just not sure about him anymore. When you have so many variables (new coach, new playcaller, new QB, etc) I think its a case where you have to base something on what you see out of the gates rather than previous seasons. He just didn't seem to have his place in this offense for whatever reason.

I'll probably be opting for Santonio Holmes even with Royal playing Cleveland.

 

[Aardvarks]

Last year Eddie Royal had a 90-yard TD vs. Cleveland. If I recall he almost broke a kickoff too. I'm starting him over Chad Johnson.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Last year Eddie Royal had a 90-yard TD vs. Cleveland. If I recall he almost broke a kickoff too. I'm starting him over Chad Johnson.

I think that might be a mistake. Even if Woodson is on Ocho. Orton is just awful.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

Last year is IRRELEVANT

 

[Aardvarks]

Orton's not awful. That's silly. He can deliver, and this week his finger will be 100% healed.

 

[FUBAR]

I'd start Gage against Houston over Royal. Right now I'm starting Avery, Burleson and Bradley over him.

I like his potential for later in the year, but it will take time.

That said, watch him blow up this week.

 

[packersfan]

Not me. I think it's an Orton problem more than a Royal problem but either way it's a problem.

I agree. I'm starting Royal as my WR3 this week mainly because the Browns stink and if Orton can't even look respectable against them there may not be any hope for Royal (or Marshall) this season. Sad to say but I think Week 2 could be a make or break week for Eddie Royal owners.

 

[Devil in the Detail]

Although Orton should be healthier, probably of greater concern should be the fact that although Marshall didn't even start last week, Orton targeted him much more than he did Royal, especially when he needed big plays (like the final throw).

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Roy Williams is getting the nod over Royal for me this week.

 

[packersfan]

Although Orton should be healthier, probably of greater concern should be the fact that although Marshall didn't even start last week, Orton targeted him much more than he did Royal, especially when he needed big plays (like the final throw).

Marshall's more talented in my opinion so that didn't surprise me. The problem that I saw was Royal didn't get the "Wes Welker" routes many expected and Orton being Orton destroyed any chance for either Marshall or Royal to deliver quality production. Orton can't throw a deep ball very well at all but he should be able to complete intermediate throws. That's where I expected Royal to deliver this year for PPR leagues. I still think it's possible despite the fact Orton is one of the worst starting QBs in the league in my opinion.

 

[wadegarrett]

The Browns secondary is pretty terrible

I'm starting Royal as my WR3 this week mainly because the Browns stink

Really?Last year Browns were 14th in the NFL against the pass, had 2nd most INTs in the NFL, and were tied for 10th in the NFL yielding 19 TD passes.

They may not be able to stop the run for ####, but their pass D is hardly "terrible."

ETA: They also had 4 sacks last Sunday. They had 17 total last year.

 

[California]

Marshall got 7 targets and Royal got 4. Watching the game, it looked like they were forcing the ball to him. I don't know if it was by design (my hunch) or if that's what was available. If this is what Denver gameplanned, it was pretty bad. I can understand trying to get Marshall up to speed since he basically had no preseason.

If you have better options this week use them. If Denver doesn't realize their mistake in not going for Royal more during films this week, it's going to be a long season for Royal owners. See what happens in Week 2 before you freak out. If it's the same story then yeah, freak out.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Although Orton should be healthier, probably of greater concern should be the fact that although Marshall didn't even start last week, Orton targeted him much more than he did Royal, especially when he needed big plays (like the final throw).

Marshall's more talented in my opinion so that didn't surprise me. The problem that I saw was Royal didn't get the "Wes Welker" routes many expected and Orton being Orton destroyed any chance for either Marshall or Royal to deliver quality production. Orton can't throw a deep ball very well at all but he should be able to complete intermediate throws. That's where I expected Royal to deliver this year for PPR leagues. I still think it's possible despite the fact Orton is one of the worst starting QBs in the league in my opinion.

I think Royal is a solid start this week. There were a number of factors that went into last weeks poor performance.1. Cincinnati's defense is vastly underrated. Their CBs are exceptional, and the defense is littered with high first round draft choices. 2. Orton was unable to practice much in the weeks leading up to the game. He also had stitches in his finger and threw with a glove. 3. Its a brand new offense with a QB and WRs that need time to get on the same page.I don't think Orton/Royal/Marshall are all on the same page yet, but by Sunday they will have another full week of preparation together.Cleveland does not sport nearly the defense that Cincinnati does. Orton had the stitches removed and should be throwing without the glove. They will also be playing in Denver. While Favre didn't put up big numbers against this defense last week, Adrian Peterson did. The Broncos don't have Peterson to rely on. They'll need a balanced attack. I don't think Royal is the safest start out there this week, but things should definitely be better for the Broncos passing game this week.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

The Browns secondary is pretty terrible

I'm starting Royal as my WR3 this week mainly because the Browns stink

Really?Last year Browns were 14th in the NFL against the pass, had 2nd most INTs in the NFL, and were tied for 10th in the NFL yielding 19 TD passes.They may not be able to stop the run for ####, but their pass D is hardly "terrible."

I think those numbers are skewed by the fact that teams didn't have to pass much to beat the Browns last year because Cleveland couldn't stop the run and didn't score any points. Of course if Week 1 is any indication the Browns have the exact same problems this year.

 

[cjack]

The Browns secondary is pretty terrible

I'm starting Royal as my WR3 this week mainly because the Browns stink

Really?Last year Browns were 14th in the NFL against the pass, had 2nd most INTs in the NFL, and were tied for 10th in the NFL yielding 19 TD passes.

They may not be able to stop the run for ####, but their pass D is hardly "terrible."

ETA: They also had 4 sacks last Sunday. They had 17 total last year.

Yea, but it's not like the Browns force the other teams to throw the ball to keep up. Their pass rank D is probably aided by the fact that you only needed to score about 14 points to beat the Browns, and then you could just sit on the ball.

 

[editor47]

i am stuck starting him due to injuries.

i see him as another michael clayton - great rookie year, then very disappointing.

 

[cjack]

The Browns secondary is pretty terrible

I'm starting Royal as my WR3 this week mainly because the Browns stink

Really?Last year Browns were 14th in the NFL against the pass, had 2nd most INTs in the NFL, and were tied for 10th in the NFL yielding 19 TD passes.They may not be able to stop the run for ####, but their pass D is hardly "terrible."

I think those numbers are skewed by the fact that teams didn't have to pass much to beat the Browns last year because Cleveland couldn't stop the run and didn't score any points. Of course if Week 1 is any indication the Browns have the exact same problems this year.

Hmmm, apparently you type faster than I do.

 

[wadegarrett]

I think those numbers are skewed by the fact that teams didn't have to pass much to beat the Browns last year because Cleveland couldn't stop the run and didn't score any points. Of course if Week 1 is any indication the Browns have the exact same problems this year.

Yea, but it's not like the Browns force the other teams to throw the ball to keep up. Their pass rank D is probably aided by the fact that you only needed to score about 14 points to beat the Browns, and then you could just sit on the ball.

The result is still the same, i.e. Royal isn't a good start this week.

 

[Mainevent]

Not me. I think it's an Orton problem more than a Royal problem but either way it's a problem. I'm starting Holt this week.

Same here, Holt as a good match up. I also got Steve Smith and Braylon...so week one was a real disaster.

 

[Fullback Fro]

My guess is that Royal will see more wide receiver screens and quick slants than last week. He was money on those throughout the preseason and last year. I suspect that the coaches will realize that's where Royal makes his living making him a fine start in PPR Leagues.

 

[Ripleys]

On the fence about starting him myself. Drafted him as my #2 WR, so I really NEED to start him, but may bench him for Mason.

 

[Dexter Manley]

I'm starting Royal this week in 2 non-ppr leagues, over guys like Bennett and Henry.

As others have stated, Royal had several things going against him last week: Cincy's underrated defense on the road, Orton's injury, Orton not having a full week of practice, first real game in a new offense, etc.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

My guess is that Royal will see more wide receiver screens and quick slants than last week. He was money on those throughout the preseason and last year. I suspect that the coaches will realize that's where Royal makes his living making him a fine start in PPR Leagues.

Wait, so you don't think the Denver coaches already know that Eddie Royal is a good candidate for WR screens and slant patterns?WK 1:QB not 100% (throwing hand)New offense (new coaching staff)Big play #1 WR with virtually no preseasonUnderrated opposing secondaryWK2:QB not 100% but healthier than last weeksame new offenseMarshall's had another week to get readymildly underrated secondary but all in all a pretty bad defenseToo early to give up on Royal right now. Doubt hes the lock for 100 receptions some think he is this year. Will, if healthy, produce pretty decent WR2 numbers this year, IMO.

 

[packersfan]

I think those numbers are skewed by the fact that teams didn't have to pass much to beat the Browns last year because Cleveland couldn't stop the run and didn't score any points. Of course if Week 1 is any indication the Browns have the exact same problems this year.

Yea, but it's not like the Browns force the other teams to throw the ball to keep up. Their pass rank D is probably aided by the fact that you only needed to score about 14 points to beat the Browns, and then you could just sit on the ball.

The result is still the same, i.e. Royal isn't a good start this week.

If he isn't I would attribute that to his QB being awful (in my opinion) and not anything that's particularly imposing about the Cleveland defense. I like the matchup on paper for Royal. My concerns is Orton will kill him again. But I'm going to gamble that even Orton can muster up some success against the Browns. We'll see how it pans out on Sunday.

 

[notdarkyet]

Taking a "show me" approach on him until further notice. Until I see he can hang, Ill be forced to roll with Holmes/Bowe. Hell Chris Henry is ahead of him from my perspective atm.

 

[cheese]

I think those numbers are skewed by the fact that teams didn't have to pass much to beat the Browns last year because Cleveland couldn't stop the run and didn't score any points. Of course if Week 1 is any indication the Browns have the exact same problems this year.

Yea, but it's not like the Browns force the other teams to throw the ball to keep up. Their pass rank D is probably aided by the fact that you only needed to score about 14 points to beat the Browns, and then you could just sit on the ball.

The result is still the same, i.e. Royal isn't a good start this week.

It isn't the same because the Broncos are a very bad team and I think most expect this to be a close game. Teams can pass on the Browns when they need to as evidenced by being 29th in YPA against last year, facing the 3rd fewest passing attempts and still being 14th yards allowed. I am with you on Royal being a questionable start, but I'm not buying those passing yard stats as proof the secondary is decent.

 

[NoCheese]

In a start 3, I'm starting Driver/HWard/Hester over him. Maybe he'll do well, but I don't trust Kyle Orton if he couldn't light up the Bengals.

 

[Ditka is God]

Marshall got 7 targets and Royal got 4. Watching the game, it looked like they were forcing the ball to him. I don't know if it was by design (my hunch) or if that's what was available. If this is what Denver gameplanned, it was pretty bad. I can understand trying to get Marshall up to speed since he basically had no preseason.If you have better options this week use them. If Denver doesn't realize their mistake in not going for Royal more during films this week, it's going to be a long season for Royal owners. See what happens in Week 2 before you freak out. If it's the same story then yeah, freak out.

I'm sorry ... did you say something?!?!? I was distracted by your avatar ....

 

[paulpogo]

Marshall got 7 targets and Royal got 4. Watching the game, it looked like they were forcing the ball to him. I don't know if it was by design (my hunch) or if that's what was available. If this is what Denver gameplanned, it was pretty bad. I can understand trying to get Marshall up to speed since he basically had no preseason.If you have better options this week use them. If Denver doesn't realize their mistake in not going for Royal more during films this week, it's going to be a long season for Royal owners. See what happens in Week 2 before you freak out. If it's the same story then yeah, freak out.

I'm sorry ... did you say something?!?!? I was distracted by your avatar ....

Ya, who is that? I would like to see more.Anyway, I drafted Royal as my WR3. If I don't start him at home against the Browns I never will. He's in my lineup.

 

[p00h]

I like the part where people state that they'll start roy williams or santonio holmes over him. Thats the kind of insight I pay for when I come to this website, and I strongly believe it is undervalued. I'd pay 3 times more to be honest. I wonder if someone will start Randy Moss over him, and then I wonder if they'll state that here. It eases my mind...

 

[Raider Nation]

I'll throw this out to the Denver homers since this has turned into a WSIS thread.

I have Marshall and Royal, and I'm leaning Marshall since Orton seemed to look for him more last week. Sound thinking?

 

[GloryDaze]

Last year is IRRELEVANT

Not if last year's stats will support your side of the debate. Then it's the only thing that matters.

 

[buck naked]

Last week for Royal - brand new offense, new QB, Marshall rejoins the lineup, on the road.

This week for Royal - things will get better as Orton and the offense settle in. A home game against a bad team doesn't hurt either.

Orton is not nearly as bad as 75% of the posters think he is. Give him a few weeks in this offense and then we will get a good idea of his capabilities in a predominantly short pass offense.

 

[ffnut]

I like the part where people state that they'll start roy williams or santonio holmes over him. Thats the kind of insight I pay for when I come to this website, and I strongly believe it is undervalued. I'd pay 3 times more to be honest. I wonder if someone will start Randy Moss over him, and then I wonder if they'll state that here. It eases my mind...

Wow, relax man. It's not like those are two of the greatest receivers of all time or anything. Pretty sure Royal was better than both of them last year so it's not such an absurd statement after week 1...sheesh!I'm starting R. Moss and Jennings over him if it makes you feel better

 

[Rushmore]

I'll throw this out to the Denver homers since this has turned into a WSIS thread.I have Marshall and Royal, and I'm leaning Marshall since Orton seemed to look for him more last week. Sound thinking?

 

[JerseyPaul]

I had high hopes for Royal this year but the QB change may have had a greater effect than anybody anticipated. It seems to me that the prudent thing to do is sit him until he and Orton demonstrate some chemistry. At worst, you don't get the benefit of a good week. If he has a good week, however, you can smile and get ready to put him back in. Just keep in mind what the Carolina QBs have done to Steve Smith. I'll wait and see.

 

[WampusCat43]

I think Royal is a solid start this week. There were a number of factors that went into last weeks poor performance.1. Cincinnati's defense is vastly underrated. Their CBs are exceptional, and the defense is littered with high first round draft choices.

This did have a lot to do with it, plus he got jacked up pretty good by one of our LBs early in the game. That could take a little steam out of anybody.

 

[Ditka is God]

I like the part where people state that they'll start roy williams or santonio holmes over him. Thats the kind of insight I pay for when I come to this website, and I strongly believe it is undervalued. I'd pay 3 times more to be honest. I wonder if someone will start Randy Moss over him, and then I wonder if they'll state that here. It eases my mind...

A last check these Forums are free. So, you get what you pay for, no?

 

[the spanker]

Royal is still returning punts and kickoffs right? If so he's an automatic start in PPR/return leagues.

 

[SCT]

I like the part where people state that they'll start roy williams or santonio holmes over him. Thats the kind of insight I pay for when I come to this website, and I strongly believe it is undervalued. I'd pay 3 times more to be honest. I wonder if someone will start Randy Moss over him, and then I wonder if they'll state that here. It eases my mind...

Wow, relax man. It's not like those are two of the greatest receivers of all time or anything. Pretty sure Royal was better than both of them last year so it's not such an absurd statement after week 1...sheesh!I'm starting R. Moss and Jennings over him if it makes you feel better

and Cedric Benson as RB1

 

[p00h]

I'm fully relaxed gents. Was just taking the p!ss a bit, sorry if it hurt any feelings. I don't take anything her seriously, and I don't take FF as seriously as most here either so its all good. Sometimes over the duration of a mundane work day, I like to amuse myself, and others as well...