Edge will be undervalued in 2007 (1 Viewer)

[LHUCKS]

1) Whisenhunt

2) Grimm

3) Line will be underrated

4) Slow start in '06 overshadowed solid finish

Write it down

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

1) Whisenhunt2) Grimm3) Line will be underrated

4) Arizona joins PAC10

 

[beto]

I agree. If he is available in the 3rd he should outperform.

LHUCKS, where do you see him as a value? What spot?

 

[LHUCKS]

I agree. If he is available in the 3rd he should outperform. LHUCKS, where do you see him as a value? What spot?

12 team league non-ppr, I think he'll go in the late fourth round based on a quick look at a few lists. He should go no later than the third.

 

[BassNBrew]

I agree. If he is available in the 3rd he should outperform. LHUCKS, where do you see him as a value? What spot?

12 team league non-ppr, I think he'll go in the fourth round based on a quick look at my early rankings. He should go in the third.

Not a chance...think Kevin Jones from last year. I'd suspect you'd be hard pressed to get him later than mid 3rd.

 

[CalBear]

1) Whisenhunt2) Grimm3) Line will be underrated

Maybe. I do think Edge is likely to have a better year next year than he did this year, where he finished as the #20 RB despite being #6 in rushing attempts. Certainly the split stats look to be in his favor; he averaged 2.8 ypc for the first half of the year, 4.2 ypc for the second half, although it didn't result in any more fantasy points. I'm at least willing to bet that the Arizona running game will be better in 2007 than it was in 2006 (#30 in yardage). I do think that Weisenhunt has shown a tendency towards RBBC, although in 2006 Parker got almost all of the load; it remains to be seen whether Shipp and Arrington will have meaningful roles under Whisenhunt. (Arrington, in particular, seems to have been dismissed too early, considering how little success James had running being the same line; he could easily end up in a third-down role).It's hard to imagine James performing as well in Arizona as he did in Indianapolis. If he winds up being taken around where he finished this year, RB#20, I think he'll clearly be a buy. If he winds up back in the top 10, I'm not yet convinced.

 

[LHUCKS]

It's hard to imagine James performing as well in Arizona as he did in Indianapolis. If he winds up being taken around where he finished this year, RB#20, I think he'll clearly be a buy. If he winds up back in the top 10, I'm not yet convinced.

My experience tells me he'll be going much closer to #20 than top 10.

 

[LHUCKS]

I agree. If he is available in the 3rd he should outperform. LHUCKS, where do you see him as a value? What spot?

12 team league non-ppr, I think he'll go in the fourth round based on a quick look at my early rankings. He should go in the third.

Not a chance...think Kevin Jones from last year. I'd suspect you'd be hard pressed to get him later than mid 3rd.

We will see. There seems to be a lot of runningbacks for next year.

 

[CalBear]

It's hard to imagine James performing as well in Arizona as he did in Indianapolis. If he winds up being taken around where he finished this year, RB#20, I think he'll clearly be a buy. If he winds up back in the top 10, I'm not yet convinced.

My experience tells me he'll be going much closer to #20 than top 10.

We'll see. He's got a name, which means that if he busts off a couple big runs in the pre-season, there will be an "EDGE IS BACK" bandwagon that will cart him up draft boards. But if he falls to RB#20, I'm definitely buying.

 

[David Yudkin]

It's hard to imagine James performing as well in Arizona as he did in Indianapolis. If he winds up being taken around where he finished this year, RB#20, I think he'll clearly be a buy. If he winds up back in the top 10, I'm not yet convinced.

My experience tells me he'll be going much closer to #20 than top 10.

I'm hard pressed to think that a RB that gets 375 touches per year will fall to RB 20, no matter what Edge ranked last year.

 

[cobalt_27]

It's hard to imagine James performing as well in Arizona as he did in Indianapolis. If he winds up being taken around where he finished this year, RB#20, I think he'll clearly be a buy. If he winds up back in the top 10, I'm not yet convinced.

My experience tells me he'll be going much closer to #20 than top 10.

 

[massraider]

Write it down

No thanks

 

[LHUCKS]

It's hard to imagine James performing as well in Arizona as he did in Indianapolis. If he winds up being taken around where he finished this year, RB#20, I think he'll clearly be a buy. If he winds up back in the top 10, I'm not yet convinced.

My experience tells me he'll be going much closer to #20 than top 10.

I'm hard pressed to think that a RB that gets 375 touches per year will fall to RB 20, no matter what Edge ranked last year.

I didn't say he'd fall to 20. Where do you think he'll fall?

 

[beto]

It's hard to imagine James performing as well in Arizona as he did in Indianapolis. If he winds up being taken around where he finished this year, RB#20, I think he'll clearly be a buy. If he winds up back in the top 10, I'm not yet convinced.

My experience tells me he'll be going much closer to #20 than top 10.

We'll see. He's got a name, which means that if he busts off a couple big runs in the pre-season, there will be an "EDGE IS BACK" bandwagon that will cart him up draft boards. But if he falls to RB#20, I'm definitely buying.

He never plays in the preseason.

 

[BassNBrew]

It's hard to imagine James performing as well in Arizona as he did in Indianapolis. If he winds up being taken around where he finished this year, RB#20, I think he'll clearly be a buy. If he winds up back in the top 10, I'm not yet convinced.

My experience tells me he'll be going much closer to #20 than top 10.

I'm hard pressed to think that a RB that gets 375 touches per year will fall to RB 20, no matter what Edge ranked last year.

I didn't say he'd fall to 20. Where do you think he'll fall?

12 team league non-ppr, I think he'll go in the fourth round based on a quick look at my early rankings.So what leagues do you play in where the top 19 RBs aren't gone by the end of round three?

 

[CalBear]

He never plays in the preseason.

That's a decent point; people may be bidding blind on Edge.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I like him as a value play.

Hucks, do you think up-coahcing alone from Wisen & Grimm can improve that oline unit? Or must the players themselves be upgraded too?

 

[cscmtp]

good luck trying to trade Edge this offseason. Maybe someone in your league will read this and believe it.

 

[cobalt_27]

I agree. If he is available in the 3rd he should outperform. LHUCKS, where do you see him as a value? What spot?

12 team league non-ppr, I think he'll go in the late fourth round based on a quick look at a few lists. He should go no later than the third.

I guess I'm failing to see what's so remarkable about this prediction/"value" post of yours. Edge is clearly a top-20 RB, which would put him in the 3rd round.The over-under for Edge is RB14. Anything after that, he's a solid pick. Anything before that, you're not capitalizing on any real value. With all your experience, care to be more specific. Are you saying he's still a value in the 3rd round or that that's the round he SHOULD be going, but will likely last until the 4th round (in which case, he's a value pick there)?

 

[LHUCKS]

I like him as a value play.Hucks, do you think up-coahcing alone from Wisen & Grimm can improve that oline unit? Or must the players themselves be upgraded too?

Both. I think you'll see the Cardinals bolster their depth on the O-line...and there's a good chance we pick up at least one starter.

 

[Capella]

I agree. If he is available in the 3rd he should outperform. LHUCKS, where do you see him as a value? What spot?

12 team league non-ppr, I think he'll go in the late fourth round based on a quick look at a few lists. He should go no later than the third.

Fourth-round? Come on man. He'll be long gone by mid-third, probably late-second.

 

[cobalt_27]

I agree. If he is available in the 3rd he should outperform. LHUCKS, where do you see him as a value? What spot?

12 team league non-ppr, I think he'll go in the late fourth round based on a quick look at a few lists. He should go no later than the third.

Fourth-round? Come on man. He'll be long gone by mid-third, probably late-second.

Exactly. Any chance LT's a good value pick in the second round if he's still there? Just curious.

 

[LHUCKS]

I guess I'm failing to see what's so remarkable about this prediction/"value" post of yours. Edge is clearly a top-20 RB, which would put him in the 3rd round.The over-under for Edge is RB14. Anything after that, he's a solid pick. Anything before that, you're not capitalizing on any real value. With all your experience, care to be more specific. Are you saying he's still a value in the 3rd round or that that's the round he SHOULD be going, but will likely last until the 4th round (in which case, he's a value pick there)?

I don't respond to posts with negative tones. You have repeatedly responded to my posts with negativity or condescending tones and I believe those tones bring down the quality of these boards. I try to discourage that behavior by not responding to those posts.

 

[BassNBrew]

It's hard to imagine James performing as well in Arizona as he did in Indianapolis. If he winds up being taken around where he finished this year, RB#20, I think he'll clearly be a buy. If he winds up back in the top 10, I'm not yet convinced.

My experience tells me he'll be going much closer to #20 than top 10.

I'm hard pressed to think that a RB that gets 375 touches per year will fall to RB 20, no matter what Edge ranked last year.

I didn't say he'd fall to 20. Where do you think he'll fall?

12 team league non-ppr, I think he'll go in the fourth round based on a quick look at my early rankings.So what leagues do you play in where the top 19 RBs aren't gone by the end of round three?

 

[cobalt_27]

I guess I'm failing to see what's so remarkable about this prediction/"value" post of yours. Edge is clearly a top-20 RB, which would put him in the 3rd round.The over-under for Edge is RB14. Anything after that, he's a solid pick. Anything before that, you're not capitalizing on any real value. With all your experience, care to be more specific. Are you saying he's still a value in the 3rd round or that that's the round he SHOULD be going, but will likely last until the 4th round (in which case, he's a value pick there)?

I don't respond to posts with negative tones. You have repeatedly responded to my posts with negativity or condescending tones and I believe those tones bring down the quality of these boards. I try to discourage that behavior by not responding to those posts.

Where did you come up with the tone being negative? I was just referencing that you have a lot of experience with this stuff. You told us so much. I thought I'd just refer back to your experience. Not sure where you see that as being negative.

 

[x260bm]

I agree. If he is available in the 3rd he should outperform. LHUCKS, where do you see him as a value? What spot?

12 team league non-ppr, I think he'll go in the late fourth round based on a quick look at a few lists. He should go no later than the third.

Fourth-round? Come on man. He'll be long gone by mid-third, probably late-second.

Late second sounds about right. He is too much of a name player to ever be a real value play until he is over 30.

 

[BassNBrew]

It's hard to imagine James performing as well in Arizona as he did in Indianapolis. If he winds up being taken around where he finished this year, RB#20, I think he'll clearly be a buy. If he winds up back in the top 10, I'm not yet convinced.

My experience tells me he'll be going much closer to #20 than top 10.

I'm hard pressed to think that a RB that gets 375 touches per year will fall to RB 20, no matter what Edge ranked last year.

I didn't say he'd fall to 20. Where do you think he'll fall?

12 team league non-ppr, I think he'll go in the fourth round based on a quick look at my early rankings.So what leagues do you play in where the top 19 RBs aren't gone by the end of round three?

 

[cobalt_27]

This thread has gone well.

We've gone from fourth to third to second round.

So much for "undervalued in 2007"

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I like seeing thse discussions start already as this what keeps the offseason fun.

Edge finished the year as the 20th RB and 25th for points per game.

I can see him being drafted ahead of that due to;

-his name

-his skill

-the notion that the Cards can improve

-2nd year in the offense

-playing with Leinart the whole season

Last year had the 16th RB going at the beginning of the 3rd round, and where I would expect him to go this year. His ADP will be from the late 2nd to the middle of the 3rd round.

When I look at the list of RBs for next year, it will be a nice looking group of RBs and a deep group to draft from compared to prior years.

 

[wannabee]

For those who say he is undervalued, how do you feel about his high number of touches in his career? In 8 years, Edge has almost 3000 career regular season touches. Yes, that's right, 3000.

And, for those of you down on Alexander due to his high usage, how do you feel that Alexander has almost 800 fewer career regular season touches even though he is a year older.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/JameEd00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/AlexSh00.htm

 

[BassNBrew]

For those who say he is undervalued, how do you feel about his high number of touches in his career? In 8 years, Edge has almost 3000 career regular season touches. Yes, that's right, 3000.

And, for those of you down on Alexander due to his high usage, how do you feel that Alexander has almost 800 fewer career regular season touches even though he is a year older.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/JameEd00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/AlexSh00.htm

I'd say you're being negative and therefore won't respond.

 

[wannabee]

For those who say he is undervalued, how do you feel about his high number of touches in his career? In 8 years, Edge has almost 3000 career regular season touches. Yes, that's right, 3000.

And, for those of you down on Alexander due to his high usage, how do you feel that Alexander has almost 800 fewer career regular season touches even though he is a year older.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/JameEd00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/AlexSh00.htm

I'd say you're being negative and therefore won't respond.

 

[cobalt_27]

For those who say he is undervalued, how do you feel about his high number of touches in his career? In 8 years, Edge has almost 3000 career regular season touches. Yes, that's right, 3000.

And, for those of you down on Alexander due to his high usage, how do you feel that Alexander has almost 800 fewer career regular season touches even though he is a year older.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/JameEd00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/AlexSh00.htm

I'd say you're being negative and therefore won't respond.

Stay positive, BnB. Fight the good fight.

 

[wannabee]

It's hard to imagine James performing as well in Arizona as he did in Indianapolis. If he winds up being taken around where he finished this year, RB#20, I think he'll clearly be a buy. If he winds up back in the top 10, I'm not yet convinced.

My experience tells me he'll be going much closer to #20 than top 10.

We'll see. He's got a name, which means that if he busts off a couple big runs in the pre-season, there will be an "EDGE IS BACK" bandwagon that will cart him up draft boards. But if he falls to RB#20, I'm definitely buying.

He never plays in the preseason.

now that he plays in 'zona, you can add postseason, too.

 

[David Yudkin]

When I look at the list of RBs for next year, it will be a nice looking group of RBs and a deep group to draft from compared to prior years.

This is the one quote I see several times EVERY year. IMO, this always looks to be the case and the yearend results seem pretty similar to me. Many other people, however, are concerned that teams are implementing RBBC or 2-back systems, so depending upon who you ask some people feel the RB depth is weaker heading into this year.

 

[-OZ-]

I agree. If he is available in the 3rd he should outperform. LHUCKS, where do you see him as a value? What spot?

12 team league non-ppr, I think he'll go in the late fourth round based on a quick look at a few lists. He should go no later than the third.

Fourth-round? Come on man. He'll be long gone by mid-third, probably late-second.

Late second sounds about right. He is too much of a name player to ever be a real value play until he is over 30.

I have to say, if drafting at the 1 slot, starting a draft: LT, Edge, Palmer sounds pretty good.

 

[softball]

I agree. If he is available in the 3rd he should outperform. LHUCKS, where do you see him as a value? What spot?

12 team league non-ppr, I think he'll go in the late fourth round based on a quick look at a few lists. He should go no later than the third.

Fourth-round? Come on man. He'll be long gone by mid-third, probably late-second.

This year I layed off of him because of the Denny Green factor.Next year? He will be a value in Rd2, early/middle or late he=value.I'd be interested in thoughts on the 12 who go ahead of him...

 

[msommer]

When I look at the list of RBs for next year, it will be a nice looking group of RBs and a deep group to draft from compared to prior years.

This is the one quote I see several times EVERY year. IMO, this always looks to be the case and the yearend results seem pretty similar to me. Many other people, however, are concerned that teams are implementing RBBC or 2-back systems, so depending upon who you ask some people feel the RB depth is weaker heading into this year.

Every year it is the same story, the same debate.

 

[perry147]

Just remember he is not that good of a pass catcher anymore for those of you in PPR leagues, as a matter of fact I would say he is barely average.

 

[H.K.]

Just remember he is not that good of a pass catcher anymore for those of you in PPR leagues, as a matter of fact I would say he is barely average.

I thought Edge was a lock for 45-50 recepts last season, but there were 30+ fewer receptions out of the AZ backfield this year than in 2005. Haven't looked at the stats, but I would guess the QB switch was a big part of the decline.Tough to say how Edge will do on the receptions side of the fence with the new staff right now. Thoughts?

 

[aldelgreco]

LHUCKS has a FUPA.

mark it down.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

Been/seen a couple of mocks late season/early preseason he has gone 8th, 16th, 19th, and 42nd.

I don't see him dropping much now that Grimm has joined Whizz.

 

[perry147]

Just remember he is not that good of a pass catcher anymore for those of you in PPR leagues, as a matter of fact I would say he is barely average.

I thought Edge was a lock for 45-50 recepts last season, but there were 30+ fewer receptions out of the AZ backfield this year than in 2005. Haven't looked at the stats, but I would guess the QB switch was a big part of the decline.Tough to say how Edge will do on the receptions side of the fence with the new staff right now. Thoughts?

Over the last half of the season (final 8 games) he never had more than 2 receptions but the new coaching staff could put in a more pass happy offense (like Indy) but the Cards already are one of the most pass happy offenses in the NFL (4th)http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/OFF-...ar?sort_col_1=8

 

[cstu]

I like him as a value play.Hucks, do you think up-coahcing alone from Wisen & Grimm can improve that oline unit? Or must the players themselves be upgraded too?

Both. I think you'll see the Cardinals bolster their depth on the O-line...and there's a good chance we pick up at least one starter.

I'd be shocked if the Cards go into next season with the same starters. I doubt there will be wholesale changes, but there will be at least one new starter. If there was any way they could get a true LT (Joe Staley) and move Leonard Davis back to RG then they would have a pretty solid line.

 

[David Yudkin]

I'd be shocked if the Cards go into next season with the same starters. I doubt there will be wholesale changes, but there will be at least one new starter. If there was any way they could get a true LT (Joe Staley) and move Leonard Davis back to RG then they would have a pretty solid line.

The Cardinals rushing attack was pretty putrid last year, ranking 26th in rushing attempts, 30th in rushing yards, dead last (32nd) in ypc, and 19th in rushing TD.The sad part is that that was a marked IMPROVEMENT over the 2005 season when they bottomed out in ALL FOUR of those categories.Having posted a 3.16 team ypc in 2005 and 3.19 ypc in 2006, I'm guessing that the line needs more than one new face and a positional change.Maybe the new staff alone can get this group to be more productive, but I'm not sure they can turn water into wine.

 

[LHUCKS]

I'd be shocked if the Cards go into next season with the same starters. I doubt there will be wholesale changes, but there will be at least one new starter. If there was any way they could get a true LT (Joe Staley) and move Leonard Davis back to RG then they would have a pretty solid line.

The Cardinals rushing attack was pretty putrid last year, ranking 26th in rushing attempts, 30th in rushing yards, dead last (32nd) in ypc, and 19th in rushing TD.The sad part is that that was a marked IMPROVEMENT over the 2005 season when they bottomed out in ALL FOUR of those categories.Having posted a 3.16 team ypc in 2005 and 3.19 ypc in 2006, I'm guessing that the line needs more than one new face and a positional change.Maybe the new staff alone can get this group to be more productive, but I'm not sure they can turn water into wine.

 

[LHUCKS]

I like him as a value play.Hucks, do you think up-coahcing alone from Wisen & Grimm can improve that oline unit? Or must the players themselves be upgraded too?

Both. I think you'll see the Cardinals bolster their depth on the O-line...and there's a good chance we pick up at least one starter.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Edge finished the year as the 20th RB and 25th for points per game.

I see this all the time, different rankings for where they finished the year and points per game. Barring a player being injured, how is it the two can be different? I'm assuming I just don't know what ppg is. If it was the average then they'd be ranked the same as they are for the year, right? Can someone explain this to me?

 

[Tau837]

ppg = points per game

Some RBs had fewer total points than Edge, because they missed games... but they played better in the games they played, as evidenced by their scoring more points per game.

As to the thread topic, I really don't think he'll be undervalued. In the preseason, everyone will be citing (a) Thomas (b) new coaching staff will run more and more effectively © Leinart will be better, taking pressure off the running game (d) had a great defense last year. I predict he'll be drafted in the RB 10-12 range... so he is only value if you think he'll outperform that. I don't.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Just remember he is not that good of a pass catcher anymore for those of you in PPR leagues, as a matter of fact I would say he is barely average.

I thought Edge was a lock for 45-50 recepts last season, but there were 30+ fewer receptions out of the AZ backfield this year than in 2005. Haven't looked at the stats, but I would guess the QB switch was a big part of the decline.Tough to say how Edge will do on the receptions side of the fence with the new staff right now. Thoughts?

I don't remember any past Denny Green teams having a RB that was big in the passing game. I didn't look back at the historical numbers, but I don't think Green ever had a RB in MIN that had a high number of receptions. I think the low number of receptions were more a result of the gameplan and coaching. Edge is probably still one of the best receiving RB's in the league.