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Effect on Packers? Bulaga, T, GB - Torn ACL (1 Viewer)

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A source tells ProFootballTalk.com that Packers LT Bryan Bulaga has a torn ACL in his knee.

Bulaga sustained the season-ending injury in Saturday night's intrasquad scrimmage. After making 33 starts at right tackle over the last three years, he was pegged as Aaron Rodgers' new blindside protector. The Packers will now have to move Marshall Newhouse back to the left side, and perhaps try fourth-round pick David Bakhtiari on the right. Newhouse started every game at left tackle last year, but struggled badly and graded out as ProFootballFocus' No. 54 overall tackle. It's not good news for Rodgers.

Huge downgrade to the packers o-line. Do you downgrade Rodgers or the WR's? It would take an awful lot for me to downgrade Rodgers.

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Well, on the one side, they are used to playing without him, so they should have no problem adjusting. With that said, while many (including guys on Sirius this morning) are delving into the affect on Rodgers/WRs, I think this will impact the RBs more (i.e. they're not gonna get what they thought they would out of Lacy and Franklin in 2013).

 
Rodgers has been great behind an awful o line for some time. I will now comfortably take Brees ahead of him instead of waffling between the two, but that's really it.

 
Not good news and a major blow. They may struggle to make the playoffs. You really need a good offensive line, good defensive line, and great QB. They don't have a good offensive line. Rodgers is going to get hit A LOT this year. Brees has to be considered QB#1 at this point. I would probably downgrade Rodgers to QB#2 for fantasy purposes.

 
Not good news and a major blow. They may struggle to make the playoffs. You really need a good offensive line, good defensive line, and great QB. They don't have a good offensive line. Rodgers is going to get hit A LOT this year. Brees has to be considered QB#1 at this point. I would probably downgrade Rodgers to QB#2 for fantasy purposes.
No wonder everyone thinks your posts are horrible.

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Not good news and a major blow. They may struggle to make the playoffs. You really need a good offensive line, good defensive line, and great QB. They don't have a good offensive line. Rodgers is going to get hit A LOT this year. Brees has to be considered QB#1 at this point. I would probably downgrade Rodgers to QB#2 for fantasy purposes.
No wonder everyone thinks your posts are horrible.

(It's because they are horrible.)
:goodposting: It's best to ignore him -- he's an a$$clown.

 
Before this injury they were ranking a lowly 28th in this sites offensive line preview. A notch down from that is dangerous.

For me personally, I certainly won't avoid the Packers, but if it comes to a situation where there is a toss up between 2 players, I may opt for the non GB player.

 
Not good news and a major blow. They may struggle to make the playoffs. You really need a good offensive line, good defensive line, and great QB. They don't have a good offensive line. Rodgers is going to get hit A LOT this year. Brees has to be considered QB#1 at this point. I would probably downgrade Rodgers to QB#2 for fantasy purposes.
No wonder everyone thinks your posts are horrible.

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Maybe that wasn't what you wanted to hear, but I don't know how you can say they will dominate and be a #1 or #2 seed.

I think this puts them as a fringe playoff team unless they find someone to fill that spot that can play the position decently. Oline injuries are devestating. You need a good one if you want to go far. Anything but concern is letting your fandom get in the way of logical thinking. Rodgers was sacked 51 times last year. Only the Cardinals at 58 were worse at protecting the QB. If you want to ignore that and say it doesn't matter or isn't a concern, go right ahead. :shrug:

 
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Not good news and a major blow. They may struggle to make the playoffs. You really need a good offensive line, good defensive line, and great QB. They don't have a good offensive line. Rodgers is going to get hit A LOT this year. Brees has to be considered QB#1 at this point. I would probably downgrade Rodgers to QB#2 for fantasy purposes.
:lmao: They won a Super Bowl with only one of those three items you listed.

 
I think it impacts the running backs more than anything else. There are 5 backs competing for touches behind a below average offensive line in an offense where the quarterback siphons away touchdowns at the goalline. It's hard for me to see Lacy or Frankling justifying their ADP unless there's an injury to one or the other.

 
All depends on the playcalling. If the coaching staff would actually call plays that utilize their personnel, they won't have to worry about losing an offensive lineman. Better play calling equals more screens, quick slants, 3-step drops and 5-step drops with a timed mark to where the WR should be and ball thrown. This can work but I'm not sure if the coaching staff likes this method or not.

 
I play in a league that you have 5 OL starters on your fantasy team. GB OL last year stunk. With this injury they will rely on Rogers getting the ball out quickly. The problem is he was sacked 50+ times last year and their team wasn't it usual self. Having Bulaga injuried now will let them play some players at that position and hopefully someone will step up. Graham Harrell and B. J. Coleman are Rogers backups. Picking up the one that wins the backup spot might be a smart thing to do. This might force the Packers to run the ball more to protect Rogers. I still like Rogers but I won't be drafting him in the first two rounds. I will let someone else take him this year.

 
Rodgers has been great behind an awful o line for some time. I will now comfortably take Brees ahead of him instead of waffling between the two, but that's really it.
The Saints offensive line is not what it has been after losing their starting LT to the Bears in free agency. They are now starting Charlie Brown at LT who has been often injured and in a contract year.

Both Rodgers and Brees are mobile QB who make thier Olines look better than they would be considered with a QB less fleet of foot. But as both QB look to have worse Oline than last season I am not sure why this would have you dropping Rodgers but not Brees. BTW I think both will be fine because of their mobility.

Losing Bulaga will surely have a negative impact on the GB offense. I think he was their best lineman.

As a Viking fan it has been fun for me reading about how they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

 
I guess my view is a bit different on this, but my knee jerk is that it may actually result in a bump up for the RBs. Correct me if I'm wrong Cheeseheads, but if I'm not mistaken, Newhouse is a pretty decent run blocker. His pass blocking leaves a bit to be desired however and he struggles with the blitz, which is why they wanted to move him to the right side. I would speculate that if Lacy and/or Franklin can prove effective, they'll try to run a more balanced offense in an effort to keep down the blitzing and try and keep Rodgers upright. They'll no doubt still pass a ton, but they're going to have to focus on getting the ball out quickly IMO, which means shorter throws. That may get Cobb even more looks and less deep ball opportunites to Nelson. Finley typically hasn't been asked to stay in a pass block much, but that's always a risk as well when you have shaky OTs.

 
I guess my view is a bit different on this, but my knee jerk is that it may actually result in a bump up for the RBs. Correct me if I'm wrong Cheeseheads, but if I'm not mistaken, Newhouse is a pretty decent run blocker. His pass blocking leaves a bit to be desired however and he struggles with the blitz, which is why they wanted to move him to the right side. I would speculate that if Lacy and/or Franklin can prove effective, they'll try to run a more balanced offense in an effort to keep down the blitzing and try and keep Rodgers upright. They'll no doubt still pass a ton, but they're going to have to focus on getting the ball out quickly IMO, which means shorter throws. That may get Cobb even more looks and less deep ball opportunites to Nelson. Finley typically hasn't been asked to stay in a pass block much, but that's always a risk as well when you have shaky OTs.
I think this may be happening with the Lions as well due to them starting 2 new OT's this season.

 
Not good news and a major blow. They may struggle to make the playoffs. You really need a good offensive line, good defensive line, and great QB. They don't have a good offensive line. Rodgers is going to get hit A LOT this year. Brees has to be considered QB#1 at this point. I would probably downgrade Rodgers to QB#2 for fantasy purposes.
:lmao: They won a Super Bowl with only one of those three items you listed.
While their defensive line wasn't great in 2010 it was solid and their defense generated a ton of turnovers. You're kidding yourself if you think this doesn't have a huge impact. I'm not a "sky is falling" guy but with a mediocre defense and now a big hit to the oline I'm concerned. I still think they'll make the playoffs but I'm writing it in pencil...not a sharpie.

 
It doesn't appear Rodgers was sacked any more without Bulaga than with him but the overall numbers of sacks the past few years is a concern. As great as the Packers appear in fantasy, I think it truly IS worth noting this loss because it does seem that every time they play a team with a good pass rush, those teams really put a hurt on the Packers. Sooner or later, you would think that taking that many hits might just lead to an injury.

 
This hurts the Packers, but that divisions is still theirs for the taking. Maybe they only go 10-6, but I just don't see a team with the best QB in the league not making the playoffs. Not in today's NFL.

 
Well that just added a good degree of PPG and injury risk to the QB class champ. Hard not to agree with the posters putting Brees ahead now. With where you have to take these guys, you want them to be as risk free as possible and all of a sudden Breesy's risk profile looks way better.

 
Not good news and a major blow. They may struggle to make the playoffs. You really need a good offensive line, good defensive line, and great QB. They don't have a good offensive line. Rodgers is going to get hit A LOT this year. Brees has to be considered QB#1 at this point. I would probably downgrade Rodgers to QB#2 for fantasy purposes.
:lmao: They won a Super Bowl with only one of those three items you listed.
While their defensive line wasn't great in 2010 it was solid and their defense generated a ton of turnovers. You're kidding yourself if you think this doesn't have a huge impact. I'm not a "sky is falling" guy but with a mediocre defense and now a big hit to the oline I'm concerned. I still think they'll make the playoffs but I'm writing it in pencil...not a sharpie.
Their defensive line is solid right now. It has potential to be better than the 2010 unit with Jones and Perry (hopefully) in the fold. It won't be dominant but it doesn't need to be. This offensive line hasn't been very good since the Clifton Tauscher years and this year will be no different. It's scary bad actually. But is it really any worse than the O line that went 15-1? I don't think so.

 
Sabertooth said:
Pipes said:
Sabertooth said:
ImTheScientist said:
Not good news and a major blow. They may struggle to make the playoffs. You really need a good offensive line, good defensive line, and great QB. They don't have a good offensive line. Rodgers is going to get hit A LOT this year. Brees has to be considered QB#1 at this point. I would probably downgrade Rodgers to QB#2 for fantasy purposes.
:lmao: They won a Super Bowl with only one of those three items you listed.
While their defensive line wasn't great in 2010 it was solid and their defense generated a ton of turnovers. You're kidding yourself if you think this doesn't have a huge impact. I'm not a "sky is falling" guy but with a mediocre defense and now a big hit to the oline I'm concerned. I still think they'll make the playoffs but I'm writing it in pencil...not a sharpie.
Their defensive line is solid right now. It has potential to be better than the 2010 unit with Jones and Perry (hopefully) in the fold. It won't be dominant but it doesn't need to be. This offensive line hasn't been very good since the Clifton Tauscher years and this year will be no different. It's scary bad actually. But is it really any worse than the O line that went 15-1? I don't think so.
It might not be worse than that line, but it isn't better. Good luck, Packer fans...

 
MAC_32 said:
Rodgers has been great behind an awful o line for some time. I will now comfortably take Brees ahead of him instead of waffling between the two, but that's really it.
Brees will be without his LT and OL coach too (Bushrod and Kromer left in FA).

 
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ImTheScientist said:
meyerj31 said:
ImTheScientist said:
Not good news and a major blow. They may struggle to make the playoffs. You really need a good offensive line, good defensive line, and great QB. They don't have a good offensive line. Rodgers is going to get hit A LOT this year. Brees has to be considered QB#1 at this point. I would probably downgrade Rodgers to QB#2 for fantasy purposes.
No wonder everyone thinks your posts are horrible.

(It's because they are horrible.)
Maybe that wasn't what you wanted to hear, but I don't know how you can say they will dominate and be a #1 or #2 seed.

I think this puts them as a fringe playoff team unless they find someone to fill that spot that can play the position decently. Oline injuries are devestating. You need a good one if you want to go far. Anything but concern is letting your fandom get in the way of logical thinking. Rodgers was sacked 51 times last year. Only the Cardinals at 58 were worse at protecting the QB. If you want to ignore that and say it doesn't matter or isn't a concern, go right ahead. :shrug:
Nothing wrong w/ saying they may struggle, means that'll be fighting for the spot or fending off teams in the final week of the season unlike the past couple of yrs. They were 11-5 last yr and their past couple of draft crops haven't amounted to much while the team has be getting old, hurt and losing FAs. Serious, from 2010 - 2012 the only notable players GB has drafted is Cobb and Burnett. They been taking a bunch of OL but so far it really hasn't worked out for them. If they lose an extra game to Min or Chi or both an drop from 11-6 to 9-7 they could be out of the POs.

 
Sabertooth said:
Pipes said:
Sabertooth said:
ImTheScientist said:
Not good news and a major blow. They may struggle to make the playoffs. You really need a good offensive line, good defensive line, and great QB. They don't have a good offensive line. Rodgers is going to get hit A LOT this year. Brees has to be considered QB#1 at this point. I would probably downgrade Rodgers to QB#2 for fantasy purposes.
:lmao: They won a Super Bowl with only one of those three items you listed.
While their defensive line wasn't great in 2010 it was solid and their defense generated a ton of turnovers. You're kidding yourself if you think this doesn't have a huge impact. I'm not a "sky is falling" guy but with a mediocre defense and now a big hit to the oline I'm concerned. I still think they'll make the playoffs but I'm writing it in pencil...not a sharpie.
Their defensive line is solid right now. It has potential to be better than the 2010 unit with Jones and Perry (hopefully) in the fold. It won't be dominant but it doesn't need to be. This offensive line hasn't been very good since the Clifton Tauscher years and this year will be no different. It's scary bad actually. But is it really any worse than the O line that went 15-1? I don't think so.
That remains to be seen...I'd like to see them in live action first as I still have a bad taste in my mouth from watching Kaepernick run wild on them. Certainly not solid that night. The thing is with their oline I'm not sure if it's worse than 2011 or not but I do know they took a big hit in an area where they didn't have a ton of depth to begin with. Now Bakhatiari looks like he could be decent but what happens when the next guy goes down?

 
ImTheScientist said:
meyerj31 said:
ImTheScientist said:
Not good news and a major blow. They may struggle to make the playoffs. You really need a good offensive line, good defensive line, and great QB. They don't have a good offensive line. Rodgers is going to get hit A LOT this year. Brees has to be considered QB#1 at this point. I would probably downgrade Rodgers to QB#2 for fantasy purposes.
No wonder everyone thinks your posts are horrible.

(It's because they are horrible.)
Maybe that wasn't what you wanted to hear, but I don't know how you can say they will dominate and be a #1 or #2 seed.

I think this puts them as a fringe playoff team unless they find someone to fill that spot that can play the position decently. Oline injuries are devestating. You need a good one if you want to go far. Anything but concern is letting your fandom get in the way of logical thinking. Rodgers was sacked 51 times last year. Only the Cardinals at 58 were worse at protecting the QB. If you want to ignore that and say it doesn't matter or isn't a concern, go right ahead. :shrug:
Of course I am no packer fan but this is too funny. Coming from a fan of a team that in theory do not make the playoffs unless they get gifted 2 wins in the regular season (Packers and Bears) and get smoked in their 1st playoff game if the opposing QB does not get injured. (Do not forget the Skins were blowing the Hawks out before the injury). But keep dreaming how great the Seahawks are. I guess when the championship trophy cupboard is empty, one has to make idiotic comments about other teams.

 
Out of curiousity, I am considering a Lacy/Franklin combo at RB2..... what would Packer fans guess the Oline shuffling will look like? Interested to hear.

 
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I guess my view is a bit different on this, but my knee jerk is that it may actually result in a bump up for the RBs. Correct me if I'm wrong Cheeseheads, but if I'm not mistaken, Newhouse is a pretty decent run blocker.
You are mistaken. He's probably a worse run blocker than pass blocker. You might be thinking of RT Don Barclay who is raw as a pass protecter, but a good run blocker.

Interestingly they may try 4th round rookie David Bakhtiari at LT and leave Newhouse and Barclay to battle it out at RT. Bakhtiari has been excellent in camp, generally besting Clay Matthews in one on one drills, and quickly moving up the depth chart. Obviously it's a little dicey with a 4th round rookie protecting the QBs blind side, but it sounds like that might be the case.

 
Sweet Love said:
Well, on the one side, they are used to playing without him, so they should have no problem adjusting. With that said, while many (including guys on Sirius this morning) are delving into the affect on Rodgers/WRs, I think this will impact the RBs more (i.e. they're not gonna get what they thought they would out of Lacy and Franklin in 2013).
Brian Bulaga graded out as the 53 tackle last year according to PFF. Marshall Newhouse was the 54th. I'm not sure I agree with this hurting Lacy more than the passing game. If anything, I think we'll see more Lacy between the tackles. Before the Bulaga injury, David Bakhtiari was the no.2 LT. Everything I've seen and read has been glowing. I won't be shocked if he outplays Marshall Newhouse for the spot, and it's between Newhouse and Barclay for the RT.

I think the reaction to the Bulaga injury is somewhat curious, as he's an average tackle, but he's being talked about as if Joe Thomas went down. I would have liked for him to stay healthy, but my optimism for Bakhtiari being something makes me think this isn't the end of the world.

 
Goldfinger007 said:
I guess my view is a bit different on this, but my knee jerk is that it may actually result in a bump up for the RBs. Correct me if I'm wrong Cheeseheads, but if I'm not mistaken, Newhouse is a pretty decent run blocker.
You are mistaken. He's probably a worse run blocker than pass blocker. You might be thinking of RT Don Barclay who is raw as a pass protecter, but a good run blocker.

Interestingly they may try 4th round rookie David Bakhtiari at LT and leave Newhouse and Barclay to battle it out at RT. Bakhtiari has been excellent in camp, generally besting Clay Matthews in one on one drills, and quickly moving up the depth chart. Obviously it's a little dicey with a 4th round rookie protecting the QBs blind side, but it sounds like that might be the case.
I like the idea of Bakhtiari and Barclay at the tackle spots and run a lot more than we've seen in the past. Rodgers is Rodgers, and can work through Dayrn Colledge, Jeff Saturday debacle, or when Newhouse was thrown into the deep end. Instead of being bad at pass pro and shaky in the run game with the tackles, lets be good at running the ball and a work in progress in pass pro. We know what Newhouse is. Average on his best days. I really hope the young guys win the jobs outright.

 
Goldfinger007 said:
I guess my view is a bit different on this, but my knee jerk is that it may actually result in a bump up for the RBs. Correct me if I'm wrong Cheeseheads, but if I'm not mistaken, Newhouse is a pretty decent run blocker.
You are mistaken. He's probably a worse run blocker than pass blocker. You might be thinking of RT Don Barclay who is raw as a pass protecter, but a good run blocker.

Interestingly they may try 4th round rookie David Bakhtiari at LT and leave Newhouse and Barclay to battle it out at RT. Bakhtiari has been excellent in camp, generally besting Clay Matthews in one on one drills, and quickly moving up the depth chart. Obviously it's a little dicey with a 4th round rookie protecting the QBs blind side, but it sounds like that might be the case.
Really? That's not good. I remember watching Rodgers last year and thinking if they kept having him take 5 & 7 step drops, he's was going to end up getting killed.

 
Considering that Cobb is currently being drafted as the 7th WR off the board do you think he should be drafted higher? Will produce more because they lost their best offensive tackle? I am certainly not suggesting he is anywhere close to Joe Thomas or other good offensive tackles, but obviously he is the best they had otherwise they would not have been penciling him in at the starting LT position.

 
Few things.

-Bulaga was not their best OL (as someone here said they thought he was). Sitton and Lang, the guards are easily their best linemen.

-He missed 4 games in 2011, and 7 in 2012. They have played without him before. They can put out the same line they had last season to end it if they wanted to. Not that this is great...but the effect should change their offense very little over what it has been. To claim this makes them a fringe playoff team is absolutely ludicrous.

That said...its a blow from the standpoint of where they felt Bulaga was and how it could help them going forward.

It is looking like Bakhtiaria will be given a chance at LT...with Barclay and Newhouse vying for the RT spot. I like this approach...its scary having a rookie protest Rodgers' blind side...but its slightly scary having Newhouse do it as well.

 
Out of curiousity, I am considering a Lacy/Franklin combo at RB2..... what would Packer fans guess the Oline shuffling will look like? Interested to hear.
Bakhtiari to LT (rumored).

Barclay and Newhouse at RT.

For the run game...this is good if Barclay wins the job. I think its a scary thought having some raw guys out there...but in the long run its probably best.

Depending on how deep your league is...I would not suggest Lacy/Franklin as an RB2.

RB3 if you are desperate.

 
I've gained huge respect for Bulaga today reading about how crucial he is to the Packers and their playoff hopes. It's really a miracle they managed 11-5 last year with this superstar cog missing half the season.

 
The Green Bay Packers will have to shuffle their renovated offensive line after starting left tackle Bryan Bulaga suffered what sources called a season-ending knee injury during a weekend scrimmage.


Bulaga tore an ACL and will miss the season, sources said Monday. The Packers canceled practice Monday and no one from the team was available to comment.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and ProFootballTalk.com earlier had reported the nature of Bulaga's injury.

Just three months ago, coach Mike McCarthy moved Bulaga from right tackle to left tackle; Pro Bowl guard Josh Sitton from right guard to left guard; T.J. Lang from left guard to right guard; and Marshall Newhouse, who started 28 games the past two seasons at left tackle, to right tackle.

McCarthy has said he moved Sitton to left guard to put the team's two best offensive linemen together on the same side to protect quarterback Aaron Rodgers' blind side. Sitton and Bulaga had played next to one another since the 2010 season.


Bryan Bulaga, who had been moved to left tackle as part of the Packers' reshuffled offensive line, has a torn ACL and will miss the 2013 season.

It's unclear when Bulaga was injured Saturday night. He took all of the first-team snaps at left tackle during the scrimmage and was also on the field-goal protection unit at the end of practice.


The Packers would appear to have two options at left tackle: They could move Newhouse, who took over for injured veteran Chad Clifton during the 2011 season, back to left tackle. Or they could insert promising rookie David Bakhtiari, a fourth-round pick, there. Bakhtiari was impressive during the first week of practices in pads, competing at right tackle with Newhouse and Don Barclay.


When Bulaga suffered a season-ending hip injury in November, Barclay started the final six games (including the playoffs) at right tackle, but has been working at center and guard in camp.


The upheaval comes at a time when offensive line coach James Campen was pleased with the way the rejiggered starting five was coming together.


"You know, I think that quite frankly it's exceeded what I thought it would be at," Campen said late last week. "I think they've done a very good job with their footwork. They took advantage of the OTA periods to get adjusted to it. I think they're over that hump. It's just a few little things, new footwork they've got to work on, but I think they've adjusted very well."


The Packers still don't have 2011 first-round pick Derek Sherrod at their disposal. He remains on the active/physically unable to perform list because of the broken leg he suffered in December 2011.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp13/story/_/id/9540377/green-bay-packers-left-tackle-bryan-bulaga-season
McCarthy says that Bulaga and Sitton are the best Packers offensive lineman. Sitton may well be better than Bulaga but the tackle position is always a priority and the best linemen in the NFL generally play that position. This is common knowledge for anyone not in a full blown stage of denial.


Sitton was drafted as a tackle himself as was TJ Lang then moved to guard. Both players were 4th round picks.

Bulaga was drafted 23rd overall and is by far the biggest investment the Packers have made at the position through the draft on their team. Sherrod was drafted 32nd. 1st round picks in 2010 and 2011 to address the tackle position shows that it was a pretty high priority to find good players there but neither of these players are healthy now.

 
GREEN BAY - As it pertains to the offensive line of the Green Bay Packers, it's 'back to the drawing board.' After missing 9 games in the 2012 season due to a hip injury, Packers left tackle Bryan Bulaga reportedly tore his ACL during the Packers family night scrimmage Saturday night.

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel was the first to report the potential issue. Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk.com was the first to confirm, through a league source, the ACL was torn.

Regardless of the severity, the Packers will need to act quickly to re-evaluate the offensive line that had undergone a rather dramatic change during OTA's. Bulaga was moved from right tackle to left tackle as the staff sought an upgrade from Marshall Newhouse. Josh Sitton, who played right guard in 2012, was moved to left guard during OTA's in order to play next to Bulaga. TJ Lang moved from left guard to right guard, and Newhouse was inserted into competition for the starting right tackle position.

Not only must the Packers find a new left tackle to replace Bulaga, but they will also need to consider switching Lang and Sitton back to their 2012 guard positions.

Below are a few options the Packers have at left tackle:

Marshall Newhouse: By left tackle standards, Newhouse is very average. Durable? Yes...but average. He showed little improvement from 2011 to 2012. He's more a finesse blocker than a mauler. There's a reason the Packers shifted Newhouse to the right side - it's because they wanted a better player to protect Aaron Rodgers' blindside.

David Bakhtiari: A rookie 4th round pick from Colorado. Bakhtiari has been practicing as the number 2 left tackle behind Bulaga, and the number 3 right tackle behind Newhouse and Don Barclay. Bakhtiari stands a little over 6'4" and weights 304 and has handled himself very well in practice. Aaron Rodgers said Bakhtiari "has all the tools".

Derek Sherrod: Sherrod broke his tibia and fibula in 2011, and returned to light practicing last November. Mike McCarthy is encouraged by his recent progress, but let's face it - the Packers have no idea what they have in Sherrod.

Aaron Rodgers was sacked a league-high 51 times last season. Sure, not all of the sacks were the fault of the line, but that number is high enough to indicate the line certainly had it's fair share of issues. With Bulaga reportedly lost for the season, the re-shuffled o-line will need to be shuffled again.

http://www.todaystmj4.com/sports/green-bay-packers/Back-to-drawing-board-for-Packers-offensive-line-218356931.html
GREEN BAY, Wis. -- The last time the Green Bay Packers made a major move with their offensive line, they lost center Scott Wells in free agency last year and picked out washed-up Jeff Saturday to replace him.

The year before, they drafted tackle Derek Sherrod at the tail end of the first round.

Sherrod's story can't be written yet, but based on his rough rookie season and ongoing leg problems coach Mike McCarthy and general manager Ted Thompson probably will end up missing there as well.

In May, the pair unveiled a reconfigured line with the four incumbent starters all changing positions and free agent Evan Dietrich-Smith installed as the starting center.

Heaven help the Packers if McCarthy and Thompson are wrong again.

"I think we will be a better offensive line," offensive coordinator Tom Clements said. "I don't have any doubt about that."

The Packers could have come back the way they finished 2012. The preferred unit of Marshall Newhouse, T.J. Lang, Dietrich-Smith (after Saturday was moth-balled after 14 games), Josh Sitton and Bryan Bulaga from left to right was part of an offense that ranked fifth in scoring and helped win 12 of 18 games.

Newhouse, the weakest link and manning the most important position, was the fly in that ointment.

Did the Packers really want to go another year with Newhouse at left tackle knowing he'd be an unrestricted free agent in March and having doubts he was good enough to receive a second contract?

Identifying Bulaga and Sitton as his top linemen, McCarthy moved both to the blind side and gave Newhouse, whose finesse game would seem better suited for left tackle, at least first crack to help himself and the team on the right side.

In a telling comment from mid-May, McCarthy said, "More importantly, we focus on the ones that we know are going to be here."

Clements and James Campen, the offensive line coach, were enthusiastic how all hands adjusted to foreign sides during spring ball. "I was really kind of amazed," said Campen.

When it was suggested to Clements that the Packers could always switch back, he replied, "Anything's possible, but I don't think that's probable."

According to Clements, there was no risk attached to the moves. Others in the league disagreed.

"It's an axiom that you don't move a 'blue' (elite) player," a top executive for an NFL team said in June. "Sitton's a 'blue' player. He could struggle."

Another personnel man thought of the ramifications and said, "It better work. But as long as that grouping stays together it'll be fine."

It will be critical for the starters to be hale and hearty during camp and the season. Besides the extreme need to practice together, depth was whittled away with Sherrod's availability uncertain and the major leg injury that J.C. Tretter, a fourth-round draft choice, suffered in May.

Running the ball better is a focus, Clements said, but the thrust has to be the pass protection.

From 2009-12, the Packers ranked 29th, 20th, 22nd and 28th in percentage of sacks allowed. In that span they have allowed 202 sacks, counting playoffs, and the line was charged with 114-1/2.

From 1999-2008, counting playoffs, the Packers gave up 260 sacks, 144-1/2 of which were charged to the line.

Thus, the Packers have averaged 50.5 sacks (28.6 by the line, or 56.7 percent) in the last four seasons compared to 26.0 sacks (14.5 by the line, or 55.6 percent) in the decade before that.

There are any number of reasons why this offense, including quarterback Aaron Rodgers, and line has allowed almost twice as many sacks as its predecessor, but both Campen and Clements said the trend has to change.

"We've made adjustments in our scheme eval (evaluation), and obviously some personnel changes," Campen said. "We put our two most accomplished guys on the back side (to) shut that down and provide better opportunities for the quarterback to throw the ball.

"There are things we need to do better. We are going to trim that number down."

Last year, the line was tagged with 35 sacks, its highest total since the 1996 title team unit yielded 33.

It starts, as always, at left tackle, the position where Newhouse allowed most of his 21-1/2 sacks in the last two years and Chad Clifton gave up merely 39 sacks in 12 years.

Bulaga, a right tackle since early 2010, started on the left side at Iowa from 2008-09.

At 6 feet 5-1/2, he is 1-1/2 inches taller than Newhouse and a more physical player. However, Newhouse's arm length is about an inch greater.

"'Cliffy' was a very good pass protector," said Clements. "Bryan can be a very good pass protector and he's very good in the run game. He was a No. 1 pick. He's a diligent player. He'll just keep getting better."

On the other side, Newhouse is first man up. McCarthy loves his feet, which one scout rated better than Bulaga's. Newhouse, according to McCarthy, must play better with his hands and start finishing blocks.

"Everyone will get their opportunity," Clements said. "But Marshall will line up there initially."

Don Barclay rose from free-agent obscurity to take over at right tackle not long after Bulaga damaged his hip. McCarthy admires his toughness while acknowledging that Barclay needs development.

Barclay is the exact height as Newhouse to go with comparable arms and larger hands. He's likely to push at right tackle but, unless one of the young players develops as the No. 3 guard, Barclay might have to swing between four positions and maybe center as well.

"Any place you put him he's going to battle and be very productive," said Clements. "He's a versatile guy and a physical guy."

In late May Campen said Sherrod was "on the rise," but after another lost off-season following a second surgery his future is clouded.

"He's worked hard -- absolutely," Clements said. "He was limited this spring. Very limited. He can play both tackles probably."

Asked if Sherrod had much chance to become a good player, one scout said, "Maybe pigs fly."

The plan is to start rookie David Bakhtiari behind Bulaga. Described as a finesse player by several scouts, one AFC personnel man evaluated the Colorado junior much differently.

"He has a finish mind-set and an edge," the scout said. "I like the way he played. He's pretty strong. He can fit on and adjust on contact. He's athletic and good enough to try at left tackle."

Assuming Sitton makes an uneventful side adjustment, not many teams have a better set of guards.

Sitton, the Packers' best blocker since Wells departed for St. Louis in March 2012, was a right tackle at Central Florida and, according to Campen, never even played on the left side in high school. One scout questioned if Sitton would be as effective in pass protection at left guard.

"You look at him on film at right guard last year and at left guard in the spring, it looks like he's been there his whole life," said Clements. "Josh is a very good player.

"It's comforting to know you've got two guys the caliber of Josh and T.J. They're very smart players and available all the time."

Fresh from a season on the practice squad, towering Andrew Datko made enough strength gains in the off-season that the Packers feel he can play guard.

Dietrich-Smith is the only new starter from the beginning of last season but seems to be the least of the Packers' concerns.

"Very strong player," Clements said. "Played in playoff games, which was very important for him. He went through some growing pains but he's done a very good job."

Because center is such a cerebral position, personnel people attach particular significance to scores on the Wonderlic intelligence test.

When Dietrich-Smith came out of Idaho State as a sawed-off tackle in 2009, his Wonderlic score was 15. That paled in comparison to the team's past three centers: Mike Flanagan (35), Scott Wells (30) and Saturday (27).

Is it possible for Dietrich-Smith ever to reach the mental proficiency of Wells and Saturday?

"If the spring is any indication I'd say yes," replied Clements. "He hadn't been a center in college. He's improved."

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Another first round bust from Thompson to be honest. He blew it twice in a row on lineman. Injuries are impossible to predict but he hasn't really hit on a first rounder since Matthews and Raji. It is costing the team obviously. And I like Thompson and have always defended him. But he has whiffed on 3 first rounders in a row. Hopefully Datone Jones can buck that trend.

Imagine having Harrison Smith and Colin Kaepernick on the roster instead of Nick Perry and Derrick Sherrod.

 
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Another first round bust from Thompson to be honest. He blew it twice in a row on lineman. Injuries are impossible to predict but he hasn't really hit on a first rounder since Matthews and Raji. It is costing the team obviously. And I like Thompson and have always defended him. But he has whiffed on 3 first rounders in a row. Hopefully Datone Jones can buck that trend.

Imagine having Harrison Smith and Colin Kaepernick on the roster instead of Nick Perry and Derrick Sherrod.
Its an injury...not a bust.

And its not as if his career is over here is it?

Why do we need Kaepernick on the roster?

 
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Another first round bust from Thompson to be honest. He blew it twice in a row on lineman. Injuries are impossible to predict but he hasn't really hit on a first rounder since Matthews and Raji. It is costing the team obviously. And I like Thompson and have always defended him. But he has whiffed on 3 first rounders in a row. Hopefully Datone Jones can buck that trend.

Imagine having Harrison Smith and Colin Kaepernick on the roster instead of Nick Perry and Derrick Sherrod.
LOL.

Any GM in the league would LOVE to be lucky enough to hit on three first rounders in 10 years like RODGERS, MATTHEWS, and RAJI. Jury is out on Perry and Datone but I have a feeling they are going to be fantastic picks, too. Don't forget the year they traded out of the first round to get Jordy Nelson, whom is a first-round value that they were able to take in the top of the 2nd. Hawk hasn't been the playmaker he was supposed to be but he's still had six years of solid starter production which is a lot more than many first-rounders are able to produce.

No GM is perfect but I wouldn't trade Ted's draft history for any other GM's draft history in the league.

In fact, PFF did a study on the draft history of every current GM. Guess who won? It wasn't even close. TT ran away with it. Injuries happen to every player. You're cherry picking the two first round picks that had significant injuries. Joke. How many first rounders has he chosen that were actual busts? As in, not injury related. Any????? Justin Harrell? One? In 10 years? Go home you're drunk.

 
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Another first round bust from Thompson to be honest. He blew it twice in a row on lineman. Injuries are impossible to predict but he hasn't really hit on a first rounder since Matthews and Raji. It is costing the team obviously. And I like Thompson and have always defended him. But he has whiffed on 3 first rounders in a row. Hopefully Datone Jones can buck that trend.

Imagine having Harrison Smith and Colin Kaepernick on the roster instead of Nick Perry and Derrick Sherrod.
LOL.

Any GM in the league would LOVE to be lucky enough to hit on three first rounders in 8 years like RODGERS, MATTHEWS, and RAJI. Jury is out on Perry and Datone but I have a feeling they are going to be fantastic picks, too. Don't forget the year they traded out of the first round to get Jordy Nelson, whom is a first-round value that they were able to take in the top of the 2nd.

No GM is perfect but I wouldn't trade Ted's draft history for any other GM's draft history in the league.

In fact, PFF did a study on the draft history of every current GM. Guess who won? It wasn't even close. TT ran away with it. Injuries happen to every player. You're cherry picking the two first round picks that had significant injuries. Joke. How many first rounders has he chosen that were actual busts? As in, not injury related. Any????? Go home you're drunk.
A team that does not sign FA and builds only though the draft, if u only hit 3 times in 8 yrs thats not good. And I pointed out earlier that the 2010 - 2012 draft crop only has 2 notable players in it.

 
Sherrod is probably a bust, and Perry may turn out to be one (way too soon to say one way or the other), but Bulaga is not a bust. His performance in their Super Bowl run alone disqualifies him from that lable. He's been mostly very good when healthy; the game against Seattle last year being a notable exception.

 
Sherrod is probably a bust, and Perry may turn out to be one (way too soon to say one way or the other), but Bulaga is not a bust. His performance in their Super Bowl run alone disqualifies him from that lable. He's been mostly very good when healthy; the game against Seattle last year being a notable exception.
Agreed...hard to really say with Sherrod...bust or unlucky and hurt.

Came into the league during a strike/lockout whatever...didn't get a camp..so is already behind. Gets injurred and has now missed 20 months of football.

Hard to really know what they have in him at this point.

Perry...and really any of them from last year...hard to call people busts who were hurt and didnt even get a full year in...or are behind other players. Not all can come right in and start and start well.

How many were calling Rodgers a bust 2 years in? Quite a few people questioned that pick for a few years. Really up until that Dallas game people questioned the pick.

Its not like Justin Harrell who had injuries already...

 
harrell did not work out but i would not call bulugo a bust at all he was huge in a superbowl win year and perry who knows it is to early but i do think stinkrod sherrod is not good and will not be good he will be a backup and bounce around the league for about another seven years but that is it take that to the bank brohans i think ted tomson in ginchy ps on that one

 
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Not good news and a major blow. They may struggle to make the playoffs. You really need a good offensive line, good defensive line, and great QB. They don't have a good offensive line. Rodgers is going to get hit A LOT this year. Brees has to be considered QB#1 at this point. I would probably downgrade Rodgers to QB#2 for fantasy purposes.
No wonder everyone thinks your posts are horrible.

(It's because they are horrible.)
Maybe that wasn't what you wanted to hear, but I don't know how you can say they will dominate and be a #1 or #2 seed.

I think this puts them as a fringe playoff team unless they find someone to fill that spot that can play the position decently. Oline injuries are devestating. You need a good one if you want to go far. Anything but concern is letting your fandom get in the way of logical thinking. Rodgers was sacked 51 times last year. Only the Cardinals at 58 were worse at protecting the QB. If you want to ignore that and say it doesn't matter or isn't a concern, go right ahead. :shrug:
The question you have to ask yourself is... is there another team capable of stepping in? Detroit? Sorry... moving on. Minnesota? I'm not buying them right now. They've got the greatest RB going, but they still have Ponder pulling the trigger and their two top WRs are a guy who the Packers could have held onto but chose not to and a rookie where the consensus was that he needed a lot of polish to be NFL-ready. Chicago? Everyone is pointing to the coaching change as a good thing, and it may be, but it seems to just be masking a lot of the inherent flaws with this team. Changing coaches won't upgrade the O-line, WRs 2-through-infinity, or issues in the back seven. Plus I think a coach who has been out of the NFL will give Cutler the idea he can pull some **** power play move... because he's Cutler.

We may just get a division where the winner has nine wins instead of eleven or twelve, but one injury on the line (not at the left tackle) isn't going to drop this team off a cliff. (But I do agree with the guy who labels this as a "tiebreaker" situation for individual fantasy players.)

 

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