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Egyptian history geeks check in: Cosmic rays reveal a hidden corridor in the Great Pyramid of Giza (1 Viewer)

antiques roadshow, IMO.

or google any place that specializes in Egyptology and ask them (including museums or galleries)
Agreed. @General Malaise have you tried contacting the (alleged) museum where it came from? Might be a good place to start. If they don't know anything about it bc it's from too long ago, maybe they could recommend an Egyptologist to contact. 

And if all else fails, I have a buddy that knows about this stuff, you mind if I call him to take a look at it?

 
Agreed. @General Malaise have you tried contacting the (alleged) museum where it came from? Might be a good place to start. If they don't know anything about it bc it's from too long ago, maybe they could recommend an Egyptologist to contact. 

And if all else fails, I have a buddy that knows about this stuff, you mind if I call him to take a look at it?


I wonder what made Cory change his mind like that?  I know those shows are mostly staged, but I enjoy them.  I used to watch Hard Core Pawn and actually went to visit it when I was in Detroit.  I shant do that again.  It was, uh, very sketchy.  Right off of 8 Mile and not nearly as campy as I wanted the experience to be. 

 
I wonder what made Cory change his mind like that?  I know those shows are mostly staged, but I enjoy them.  I used to watch Hard Core Pawn and actually went to visit it when I was in Detroit.  I shant do that again.  It was, uh, very sketchy.  Right off of 8 Mile and not nearly as campy as I wanted the experience to be. 
I think he knew that it was (a) real and spectacular (b) in great shape and (c) very likely worth more than his expert buddy valued it at. I think as soon as the expert confirmed it was real, it wasn't going to leave the shop. He just lowballed the guy up front. 

 
TripItUp said:
Question, did they ever explore the King Tut hidden chambers they discovered several years ago?
Not that I've seen. I'd think that would be pretty big news.  I scrolled back in this thread just now and that was in 2016. :sadbanana:  

 
TripItUp said:
Question, did they ever explore the King Tut hidden chambers they discovered several years ago?
Guessing they are still working on it. Not an archeologist or even someone with an interest in it but from what I've seen in previous excavations, it takes years because there is so much "stuff" to remove (think sand) and because it's ancient, a lot of it is done by hand so they don't ruin something or throw the baby out with the bathwater. Plus they have to grease all the pertinent political parties in Egypt to garner all the necessary "permits" to undertake such a thing.

 
Egypt displays trove of newly discovered ancient artifacts

Egypt on Monday displayed a trove of ancient artifacts dating back 2,500 years that the country's antiquities authorities said were recently unearthed at the famed necropolis of Saqqara near Cairo.

The artifacts were showcased at a makeshift exhibit at the feet of the Step Pyramid of Djoser in Saqqara, 24 kilometers (15 miles) southwest of the Egyptian capital.

According to Mostafa Waziri, head of the Supreme Council of Antiquities, the find includes 250 painted sarcophagi with well-preserved mummies inside, as well as 150 bronze statues of ancient deities and bronze vessels used in rituals of Isis, the goddess of fertility in ancient Egyptian mythology, all from the Late Period, about 500 B.C.

A headless bronze statue of Imhotep, the chief architect of Pharaoh Djoser who ruled ancient Egypt between 2630 B.C. and 2611 B.C was also displayed.

 
This is friggin' amazing! I'm geeking out. :lol:

 
This is friggin' amazing! I'm geeking out. :lol:

This was super cool, thanks!
 
there is disagreement, but some think discovery of this tunnel (along with some other things found in the area) could indicate that Marc Antony and Cleopatra's tomb is nearby:

 
Not sure if this has been mentioned. I'm not going through all the posts. This is a decent watch. https://www.netflix.com/title/81211003 Guy is a bit off and clearly overstating things, but it's interesting.
I would listen to Graham Hancock and Russel Carlson everyday, all day talking about this stuff. There are 3-4 podcasts that Rogan did with them that are super interesting if you're looking to kill some hours. Hancock's new Netflix special is intriguing, it shows that there is a case to be made for investigating the theory of a lost civilization. At least I think so but I like him & Carlson so I'm biased. I know people call them nutcases but when you fly over the southwest and see the exact things they talk about concerning the great flood it's makes you wonder.
 

tl;dr:
Egypt announced the discovery of several new archaeological finds dating back to roughly 2500 BCE to 2100 BCE, including 4,300-year-old tombs and one of the oldest mummified remains found to date. Wrapped in gold lace, the remains were uncovered at ancient burial grounds south of the capital of Cairo.



The artifacts were found beneath an ancient stone enclosure near the Saqqara pyramids. Among the tombs, one belonged to an ancient king’s senior official “secret keeper,” a title that allowed him to perform special religious rituals, and one to a priest from the fifth dynasty known as Khnumdjedef. Other significant discoveries include statues, amulets, and a well-preserved sarcophagus.
 
Not sure if this has been mentioned. I'm not going through all the posts. This is a decent watch. https://www.netflix.com/title/81211003 Guy is a bit off and clearly overstating things, but it's interesting.
I would listen to Graham Hancock and Russel Carlson everyday, all day talking about this stuff. There are 3-4 podcasts that Rogan did with them that are super interesting if you're looking to kill some hours. Hancock's new Netflix special is intriguing, it shows that there is a case to be made for investigating the theory of a lost civilization. At least I think so but I like him & Carlson so I'm biased. I know people call them nutcases but when you fly over the southwest and see the exact things they talk about concerning the great flood it's makes you wonder.
You mean Randall Carlson... and yeah, I like him a lot too. I always thought he was a career academic as a paleoclimatologist but I guess he's only an amateur. I tried listening to his podcast but it's so disjointed and low quality I gave up on them.
 
You mean Randall Carlson... and yeah, I like him a lot too. I always thought he was a career academic as a paleoclimatologist but I guess he's only an amateur. I tried listening to his podcast but it's so disjointed and low quality I gave up on them.
Yes Randall and I did the same with his podcast. It's just a stream of consciousness with an ungodly amount of slides. I'm sure it's all brilliant but incredibly hard to follow.
 

Archaeologists and physicists on the ScanPyramids project discovered the corridor thanks to an invisible rain of high-energy particles from distant supernovae. These subatomic particles, called cosmic rays (even though they’re made of very fast-moving, tiny bits of matter, not light), are constantly bombarding our planet from space. Rock absorbs cosmic rays; the thicker and denser the layer of rock, the more cosmic rays it absorbs. So by measuring how many cosmic rays make it through a structure like the Great Pyramid, researchers can learn whether there are any empty spaces hidden inside, or if it’s just solid rock.​

:popcorn:
 
Part of me is fascinated by archaeology and finding this stuff but there is another part of me that says some things should remain hidden. When it gets out in this world of ours with wars and thieves and fire and water it opens up all these pieces for destruction.
 

A new study suggests that the first of seven key pyramids in Egypt, the Step Pyramid of Djoser, was built using a hydraulic lift.
Dated to about 4,500 years ago, this would move up the introduction of major hydraulic systems from previous beliefs.
The landscape, waterways, and interior architecture of the pyramid all point to the hydraulic system. Hydraulic mechanics may have indeed been the driving force behind the construction of ancient Egyptian pyramids.

In a recently published study in PLOS ONE, scientists concluded that the Step Pyramid of Djoser in Saqqara, Egypt—believed to be the oldest of the seven monumental pyramids and potentially constructed about 4,500 years ago—offers a remarkable blueprint for hydraulic engineering.

The hydraulic-powered mechanism could have maneuvered the oversized stone blocks forming the pyramid, starting from the ground up. The research team says the Step Pyramid’s internal architecture is consistent with a hydraulic elevation mechanism, something that’s never been reported before at that place or in that time.

By lifting the stones from the interior of the pyramid in what the authors call a “volcano fashion,” the water pressure from the hydraulic system could have pushed the blocks into place. If proved out, this research shows the Egyptians had a powerful understanding of advanced hydraulic systems well before modern scholars believed they did. That begs the question: Was this the first major use of the system, or had it been in play previously? The team believes that based on the mapping of nearby watersheds, one of the massive—and yet unexplained—Saqqara structures, known as the Gisr el-Mudir enclosure, has the features of a check dam with the intent to trap sediment and water. The scientists say the topography beyond the dam suggests a possible temporary lake west of the Djoser complex, with water flow surrounding it in a moat-like design.

As a Nile tributary fed the area, a dam could have created a temporary lake, potentially linking the river to a “Dry Moat” around the Djoser site, helping move materials and serving the hydraulic needs.

“The ancient architects likely raised the stones from the pyramid center in a volcano fashion using the sediment-free water from the Dry Moat’s south section,” the authors write.
 

Along the hall's northern side, we discovered a slanted stone sundial — a sun shadow clock that used the shifting angles of the sun's shadows to determine sunrise, noon and sunset — a simple yet profound method

The team also found an ancient Egyptian timekeeping device known as a "merkhet," also from the sixth century B.C., at the site.


These findings shed light on the astronomical techniques used by the ancient Egyptians so they could determine the solar calendar and the dates of religious and official rituals, such as the coronation of kings and the agricultural year, according to the statement.

Inside the hall, the archaeologists found an inscribed stone depicting astronomical views of sunrise and sunset across three seasons.

"The ancient Egyptians envisioned the Earth and sky as two mats," Ghonim said. "They mapped the sky on the 'Themet Hrt' — the sky mat — and the 'Themet Ghrt,' or Earth mat, represented their calendar, marking events like the Nile flood and harvest. This is the first inscribed stone mat of its kind ever discovered."

These findings, as well as other inscriptions, add to evidence the Egyptians' deep understanding of seasonal changes and variations in day length.

Inside the observatory, archaeologists found a gray, granite statue of King Psamtik I from the Saite era — the 26th dynasty — and a bronze figure of Osiris, a god associated with the underworld and resurrection, with a serpent, referring to the goddess Wadjet. These artifacts, along with various pottery items used in religious rituals, date the observatory to the sixth century B.C. and emphasize its dual role in scientific study and spiritual practice, Ghonim said.
 
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Yeah, been trippin’ out about this all weekend. It’s far from proven but serious (interesting) enough to continue digging (pun intended) into.
I so want all of this to be true but I just can't get behind it right now. There were so many posts this weekend on X and Reddit going all in on the theory and when the world goes so hard one way, it most always doesn't work out. If this get proved out I will happily be the first one on the band wagon but I just don't believe something like this exists without knowledge of it already.

Grok says no
 
Yeah, been trippin’ out about this all weekend. It’s far from proven but serious (interesting) enough to continue digging (pun intended) into.
I so want all of this to be true but I just can't get behind it right now. There were so many posts this weekend on X and Reddit going all in on the theory and when the world goes so hard one way, it most always doesn't work out. If this get proved out I will happily be the first one on the band wagon but I just don't believe something like this exists without knowledge of it already.

Grok says no
This is where I am too. I find it fascinating and fun to think about, but skeptical it’s going to pan out as true.
 
how you gonna tease something like this in the Egypt thread and NOT POST PICS!? :wall:


Sorry, I kind of forgot about this. Alright, here is the Egyptian artifact - I think it's called a Snuffleupagus or something.

It's like a snake looking thing here.

Side view: It has a chamber to the inside and I think it held incense or something? I don't really mess with it.


Story goes like this: My great grandfather on my mom's side was a doctor in New York. According to family lore, the museum of natural history in NYC was having money problems during the depression. Dr. GMs Great Grandfather bought this relic from the museum and yada yada yada it's mine now. I have 5 kids, none of them seem to have any interest in this. My mom's conniving and very cheap sister has made a few offers for this thing because her son is an archaeologist and he wants it. But I don't like them very much and if I could get a few bucks for this thing while I'm still alive from somebody OTHER than them, I'd take it out of spite. This woman wasn't very nice to my mom so nothing would thrill me more than to be able to tell them I sold this for beer money.

My boss thinks without any sort of stamp or paperwork showing provenance or authenticity, I might as well be trying to sell a phony artifact that came from a factory in China.

Oh wise FFA, I ask of you - what do I do with this?

I kind of forgot about this thing. I brought it into work to show my boss and it's been a shoebox in a closet here ever since.

However, I had a chance encounter yesterday at a neighbors' house. I took my kids over there to swim and saw some adults just hanging around, enjoying a lazy summer Sunday. There was one gentleman there who I'd never met before and he was very busy doing some sort of calligraphy art at the table, rather oblivious to the noise of kids in the pool or the other adults shooting the breeze. Very focused on his art but he was pleasant and would occasionally add to the conversation.

After awhile, somebody asked what he was working on and he showed us - it was his depiction of what's going on in Iran, where his family is from. Very detailed drawings of bomb destruction, camels, pyramids - really impressive stuff. As he was showing us what he was doing he pulled out some sort of small cylinder from a case that he said was over 3,000 years old and was used in Persia for making prints. You could make out shapes and what looked like hieroglyphics made out of some sort of stone or metal. I don't know, I wish I had paid better attention but it was fascinating. It was clear this guy knew his stuff about ancient history and the artifacts and art from the region.

So I grabbed my phone and showed him pictures of the Egyptian artifact and let him take a look. He knew right away what it was and said he could tell by looking at it that it was the real deal and showed me some things on it that gave him clues to what it was, how old it was, what it meant and was used for (incense holder). He's going to look at it for me and told me that I should contact Christie's Auction House who will send a rep out to look at it after we talk. We'll see.

At issue, of course, is that I have no paperwork to show provenance. I have a back story of how I got it, but no paperwork. I very much DO NOT want my mom's sisters catching wind of this. They'll be up in my business faster than a cheetah chasing a roadrunner. Her older sister has been after this thing still, offering me things like a week at her cabin in Idaho for it, so I know she thinks it's worth something and also thinks I'm dim enough to give it to her for a week stay at bat-infested cabin.

Stay tuned......
 
how you gonna tease something like this in the Egypt thread and NOT POST PICS!? :wall:


Sorry, I kind of forgot about this. Alright, here is the Egyptian artifact - I think it's called a Snuffleupagus or something.

It's like a snake looking thing here.

Side view: It has a chamber to the inside and I think it held incense or something? I don't really mess with it.


Story goes like this: My great grandfather on my mom's side was a doctor in New York. According to family lore, the museum of natural history in NYC was having money problems during the depression. Dr. GMs Great Grandfather bought this relic from the museum and yada yada yada it's mine now. I have 5 kids, none of them seem to have any interest in this. My mom's conniving and very cheap sister has made a few offers for this thing because her son is an archaeologist and he wants it. But I don't like them very much and if I could get a few bucks for this thing while I'm still alive from somebody OTHER than them, I'd take it out of spite. This woman wasn't very nice to my mom so nothing would thrill me more than to be able to tell them I sold this for beer money.

My boss thinks without any sort of stamp or paperwork showing provenance or authenticity, I might as well be trying to sell a phony artifact that came from a factory in China.

Oh wise FFA, I ask of you - what do I do with this?

I kind of forgot about this thing. I brought it into work to show my boss and it's been a shoebox in a closet here ever since.

However, I had a chance encounter yesterday at a neighbors' house. I took my kids over there to swim and saw some adults just hanging around, enjoying a lazy summer Sunday. There was one gentleman there who I'd never met before and he was very busy doing some sort of calligraphy art at the table, rather oblivious to the noise of kids in the pool or the other adults shooting the breeze. Very focused on his art but he was pleasant and would occasionally add to the conversation.

After awhile, somebody asked what he was working on and he showed us - it was his depiction of what's going on in Iran, where his family is from. Very detailed drawings of bomb destruction, camels, pyramids - really impressive stuff. As he was showing us what he was doing he pulled out some sort of small cylinder from a case that he said was over 3,000 years old and was used in Persia for making prints. You could make out shapes and what looked like hieroglyphics made out of some sort of stone or metal. I don't know, I wish I had paid better attention but it was fascinating. It was clear this guy knew his stuff about ancient history and the artifacts and art from the region.

So I grabbed my phone and showed him pictures of the Egyptian artifact and let him take a look. He knew right away what it was and said he could tell by looking at it that it was the real deal and showed me some things on it that gave him clues to what it was, how old it was, what it meant and was used for (incense holder). He's going to look at it for me and told me that I should contact Christie's Auction House who will send a rep out to look at it after we talk. We'll see.

At issue, of course, is that I have no paperwork to show provenance. I have a back story of how I got it, but no paperwork. I very much DO NOT want my mom's sisters catching wind of this. They'll be up in my business faster than a cheetah chasing a roadrunner. Her older sister has been after this thing still, offering me things like a week at her cabin in Idaho for it, so I know she thinks it's worth something and also thinks I'm dim enough to give it to her for a week stay at bat-infested cabin.

Stay tuned......
The sister's name wouldn't be Lobelia by any chance, would it?
 
termegants
Copilot tells me that's a $3 word

The word "termagant" has a couple of fascinating meanings, depending on the context:

🏰 Historical & Literary Meaning
  • In medieval European literature, Termagant (also spelled Tervagant) was a fictional deity that Christians mistakenly believed Muslims worshipped. He appeared in works like The Song of Roland and was portrayed as a violent, ranting figure.
  • Over time, this theatrical character evolved into a stock villain in medieval drama, often depicted as loud and overbearing.
💬 Modern Usage
  • Today, termagant is used to describe a quarrelsome, overbearing woman—a synonym for words like shrew, virago, or harpy.
  • Shakespeare even referenced it in Hamlet, criticizing actors who overacted by saying they “out-Herods Herod” and “o’er-do Termagant.”
🧬 Sci-Fi Twist: Warhammer 40K
  • In the Warhammer 40,000 universe, Termagants are Tyranid creatures—small, fast, and deadly alien infantry that attack in swarms using bio-weapons like fleshborers and spike rifles.
  • They're not strong individually, but they overwhelm enemies with sheer numbers and cunning tactics.
 
termegants
Copilot tells me that's a $3 word

The word "termagant" has a couple of fascinating meanings, depending on the context:

🏰 Historical & Literary Meaning
  • In medieval European literature, Termagant (also spelled Tervagant) was a fictional deity that Christians mistakenly believed Muslims worshipped. He appeared in works like The Song of Roland and was portrayed as a violent, ranting figure.
  • Over time, this theatrical character evolved into a stock villain in medieval drama, often depicted as loud and overbearing.
💬 Modern Usage
  • Today, termagant is used to describe a quarrelsome, overbearing woman—a synonym for words like shrew, virago, or harpy.
  • Shakespeare even referenced it in Hamlet, criticizing actors who overacted by saying they “out-Herods Herod” and “o’er-do Termagant.”
🧬 Sci-Fi Twist: Warhammer 40K
  • In the Warhammer 40,000 universe, Termagants are Tyranid creatures—small, fast, and deadly alien infantry that attack in swarms using bio-weapons like fleshborers and spike rifles.
  • They're not strong individually, but they overwhelm enemies with sheer numbers and cunning tactics.

Yeah, I knew the word I was using and intended to land it like a punch from Mike Tyson.
 
termegants
Copilot tells me that's a $3 word

The word "termagant" has a couple of fascinating meanings, depending on the context:

🏰 Historical & Literary Meaning
  • In medieval European literature, Termagant (also spelled Tervagant) was a fictional deity that Christians mistakenly believed Muslims worshipped. He appeared in works like The Song of Roland and was portrayed as a violent, ranting figure.
  • Over time, this theatrical character evolved into a stock villain in medieval drama, often depicted as loud and overbearing.
💬 Modern Usage
  • Today, termagant is used to describe a quarrelsome, overbearing woman—a synonym for words like shrew, virago, or harpy.
  • Shakespeare even referenced it in Hamlet, criticizing actors who overacted by saying they “out-Herods Herod” and “o’er-do Termagant.”
🧬 Sci-Fi Twist: Warhammer 40K
  • In the Warhammer 40,000 universe, Termagants are Tyranid creatures—small, fast, and deadly alien infantry that attack in swarms using bio-weapons like fleshborers and spike rifles.
  • They're not strong individually, but they overwhelm enemies with sheer numbers and cunning tactics.

Yeah, I knew the word I was using and intended to land it like a punch from Mike Tyson.
22 year old Tyson or 62 year old Tyson?
 

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