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Electric Cars (Tesla and Others) (1 Viewer)
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Foosball God
Foos
I have the RWD so no, but I've heard they might offer it to my model as well. 2k is a pretty good spot for that and I would at least consider it. I'm still holding off on the FSD option because I don't think the features are there yet.
James Daulton
Footballguy
So is Tesla out of the financial woods yet? Or are they still a bankruptcy potential?
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
The price of oil after the attack on Iran. Tensions in the Middle East could cause oil prices to go even higher.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Ah. I did not make that connection to that post.jvdesigns2002 said:
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
A?
The General
Footballguy
A month in living with the electric car.
The good: Pleasure to drive. So fast, very smooth. The software updates are still crazy to me, that they can change your car pushing SW to it is nuts but makes it feel as if the car gets better. You have to fiddle with it a bit to get all the benefits which I enjoy. NO GAS.
The bad: A little buggy, little glitches in the interface. Basically like you get on your phone. The issues resolve themselves and have all been very minor just seems crazy on a car, though it makes sense as the car is so dependent on SW. Biggest real complaint is the mileage/charge. My commute is about 15 miles and I lose 10%. I should have 250 miles range but I don't see how this is possible. Should have gone extended range!
Bought some of the stock and will be buying more even with it being at all time highs. I trust the madman Musk. These cars are just too well made and they have all the other tech in the pipeline.
The good: Pleasure to drive. So fast, very smooth. The software updates are still crazy to me, that they can change your car pushing SW to it is nuts but makes it feel as if the car gets better. You have to fiddle with it a bit to get all the benefits which I enjoy. NO GAS.
The bad: A little buggy, little glitches in the interface. Basically like you get on your phone. The issues resolve themselves and have all been very minor just seems crazy on a car, though it makes sense as the car is so dependent on SW. Biggest real complaint is the mileage/charge. My commute is about 15 miles and I lose 10%. I should have 250 miles range but I don't see how this is possible. Should have gone extended range!
Bought some of the stock and will be buying more even with it being at all time highs. I trust the madman Musk. These cars are just too well made and they have all the other tech in the pipeline.
Dragons
Delusions of Grandeur
You have to average 208 wh/m to get full range out of the battery (swipe right in the lower left corner by the wipers to see trip trackers or press the arrow, then energy to see the last 30 miles). I was able to average sub-220 for an extended period of time over the summer, but it's hard to avoid goosing it once in awhile.
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jb1020
Footballguy
I guess I'm turning into one of those cautionary tales I read about before buying my Tesla. Been 26 days since I got in the wreck and I still don't know if my car is totaled or not. I remember reading, probably this time last year, about the nightmares some people experienced after getting in minor accidents, or having routine servicing issues.
I haven't pitched a fit or anything yet, because I'm fine with my rental. The adjuster tells me they assume its totaled, but they have to wait on confirmation. Said they have to start tearing it down to see the extent of the damage. I believe they finally got it in the actual shop last Friday. Hopefully any day now. He blamed the holidays for some delays, which I get, but there is only one body shop in MS you can take a Tesla too...I'm sure thats not helping things.
Seems like its taking forever, but I guess this could be typical of any car? I really don't have experience with this. 20 years of driving cars and I've never had an accident like this one.
I haven't pitched a fit or anything yet, because I'm fine with my rental. The adjuster tells me they assume its totaled, but they have to wait on confirmation. Said they have to start tearing it down to see the extent of the damage. I believe they finally got it in the actual shop last Friday. Hopefully any day now. He blamed the holidays for some delays, which I get, but there is only one body shop in MS you can take a Tesla too...I'm sure thats not helping things.
Seems like its taking forever, but I guess this could be typical of any car? I really don't have experience with this. 20 years of driving cars and I've never had an accident like this one.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Careful Joe got on me about a comment I made about Obama...oh wait you should be fine. Carry on.
culdeus
Footballguy
This is normal for a new car model of any kind really. If the airbag doesn't deploy and there is no frame damage (not sure if yours did?) the checklists they have to go thru are pretty hard to make it total out.
The General
Footballguy
Might be hopeful thinking on my part as I don’t want to deal with this but my wife got rear ended :heeyo: over a month ago and car is still getting dealt with in shop. Nothing as major as your damage either.
msommer
Footballguy
Musk: SGH factory to build model Y as well
Up to 100k Ys per year, on top of the 150k model 3s in the current formn of factory.
He also predicts the demand for model Y will outstrip the demand for all the other models, combined
Up to 100k Ys per year, on top of the 150k model 3s in the current formn of factory.
He also predicts the demand for model Y will outstrip the demand for all the other models, combined
jb1020
Footballguy
The more I see of the Y the more its growing on me. If I had to make the decision today it would be the 3 again. These pictures coming out of the Y make it look a good bit bigger. I still don't think a 3rd row will be usable, but if there is considerably more room on the 2nd row it might be worth it.
The factor to me right now is the range. The AWD 3 has 322, the Y is at 280. Not sure if the lack of range would ever really come into play though.
I'm ready to get in one. The 3 still looks 1000% sportier...and I love the look.
matttyl
Footballguy
Overall, though, they will be very similar - the Y and the 3, right? Same/similar battery packs (just less range due to being heavier and less aero? They're built on the same frame, correct? I'm really hoping there's one I can get into at the DC Auto show later this month.
jb1020
Footballguy
Thats my understanding...its just a bigger model 3. It stands higher and bulkier so it is less efficient. The 7 seat interior wont be in production until 2021, but the 5 seat lay out will be out soon.
I've never been in a Rear Wheel drive Tesla. I fell in love with the Dual Motor AWD 3. It felt like you weren't going anywhere. So I'm not sure I'd be happy going to a RWD model. But the Y has a RWD option that gets 300 miles of range.
Here are some real life comparisons to show the size.
Y and 3
Another link
matttyl
Footballguy
jb1020
Footballguy
When I bought last March I ordered a RWD 3. Tesla had a big push to get orders out before the 1st quarter ended and they offered to upgrade me to a AWD for the same price. It was built in Nov 2018, but only had 16 miles on it when I got it. We don't have snow here, but was nice driving in the rain. It definitely felt safer, but I was also in a 10 year old Prius before. Anything was an upgrade.
matttyl
Footballguy
Will likely need it to tow a camper (current one is a ~1,500lb pop up, but we're looking into getting a ~3,000lb hard side eventually). Generally AWD are rated for higher towing, plus we do get snow and going to bike events we occasionally drive on dirt/mud fields and may need it.
msommer
Footballguy
McBokonon
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
Stopped at the gas station today for some beef jerky.
jb1020
Footballguy
Foosball God
Foos
jb1020
Footballguy
Feel and handling while on the road. I could drive thru a heavy rainstorm at highway speeds and not miss a beat. It could be the same with the RWD? I need to drive both. They don't make a LR RWD 3 anymore. I'll need that extra range.
Have you been in an AWD Tesla? I've had an AWD Subaru before and honestly didn't notice the AWD. The Tesla was different.
Foosball God
Foos
I have not, but I can tell you that the only time my car has lost any traction is when I let a buddy try it out and he floored it while turning onto an entrance ramp on the highway, and even still it was momentary before the car "caught" itself. I've driven through tons of rain and just the last couple of days snow as well. I went RWD mostly for the extra range, but also slightly because of the additional expense coupled with the very minor performance gains didn't make the juice worth the squeeze for me.
Worm
slimy ninja
Foosball God
Foos
Worm
slimy ninja
Yeah, I know...It was Rob, not you.
I blame it on all our fat asses in the backseat.
Foosball God
Foos
boots11234
Footballguy
So how is value retention on the 3? Thinking about the LR AWD 3.
Foosball God
Foos
Just read an article about this yesterday actually.
https://insideevs.com/features/391740/used-tesla-model-3-resale-value/
culdeus
Footballguy
boots11234
Footballguy
Wow that’s great news for tesla owners. I may have to pull the trigger in the spring.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
What is that, 400ish miles? That's not bad. I drove 350 to get mine. They also now offer delivery for $2k, I believe.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
From everything you read about cold weather performance, I'd be tentative about owning one in MN. Unless you have alternative vehicle(s). And I'd definitely opt for as much range as you can afford.
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jb1020
Footballguy
They're starting to temp me a little. I'm still wide open as to what my next move is going to be. You can get something like this for $5k cheaper than a base model AWD 3.
Jobber
Footballguy
Everything I’ve read on the issue is you can expect about a 40% decrease in range when it’s ### cold out. The vast majority of that decrease being cabin/seat heat. I commute 50 miles per day total, plus occasionally running kids to sports so I should be golden.
boots11234
Footballguy
I live in MN too. The Bigger battery I’m guessing is a must. Plus AWD with the snow here. Gotta think a single guy driving a Tesla pulls a ton of tail
matttyl
Footballguy
Dang, 50% resale value after 5 years?! Base 3 is $40k - so drive it for 5 years and get ~$20k back? I've calculated my gas/oil/maintenance savings to be about $2k a year (free changing location walk-able distance from my office), so that's $10k over 5 years. So my net cost of ownership after 5 years, would be about $10k or $2k a year? Can't wait for the Y to get released.
Foosball God
Foos
We'll have to see how it lasts, I think the Y will affect some things and cause a bunch more 3s to come on the market but it still looks good as far being at the top end of the resale value proposition
Worm
slimy ninja
Used electric cars are a weird dynamic.
A 5 year old ICE car is essentially the same car as new, just a little worn down, and with slightly more chance to break down and need repairs.
A 5 year old electric car, similarly, is a little worn down, but in 5 years you've actually lost some sort of measurable vehicular performance in that 10-20%+ of your "gas tank" is gone for good.
It's weird, but used teslas don't really appeal to me all that much. I want the biggest baddest battery I can get.
A 5 year old ICE car is essentially the same car as new, just a little worn down, and with slightly more chance to break down and need repairs.
A 5 year old electric car, similarly, is a little worn down, but in 5 years you've actually lost some sort of measurable vehicular performance in that 10-20%+ of your "gas tank" is gone for good.
It's weird, but used teslas don't really appeal to me all that much. I want the biggest baddest battery I can get.
