Electric Cars (Tesla and Others) (4 Viewers)

[Instinctive]

And if you're not in your network it can be really pricey.

I dint think this is accurate. We have rented several EVs and driven all over Arizona and California and a couple other states. We are not part of any network. It was like 30 something dollars to charge most times.

For how many miles of fuel? That's not a very useful barometer alone.

For me to fill up to full, 5-100% (which I almost never do because you really shouldn't, though you can in an ICE vehicle), costs way more than the equivalent amount of gas on a mile for mile basis.

At home? Electricity is much cheaper.

 

[Nugget]

And if you're not in your network it can be really pricey.

I dint think this is accurate. We have rented several EVs and driven all over Arizona and California and a couple other states. We are not part of any network. It was like 30 something dollars to charge most times.

For how many miles of fuel? That's not a very useful barometer alone.

For me to fill up to full, 5-100% (which I almost never do because you really shouldn't, though you can in an ICE vehicle), costs way more than the equivalent amount of gas on a mile for mile basis.

At home? Electricity is much cheaper.

Midwest, I pay about 10 cents a mile. I normally charge from 20-80% and it takes around 25 minutes. At home I am under a penny per mile (.02/KWH).

 

[the moops]

And if you're not in your network it can be really pricey.

I dint think this is accurate. We have rented several EVs and driven all over Arizona and California and a couple other states. We are not part of any network. It was like 30 something dollars to charge most times.

For how many miles of fuel? That's not a very useful barometer alone.

For me to fill up to full, 5-100% (which I almost never do because you really shouldn't, though you can in an ICE vehicle), costs way more than the equivalent amount of gas on a mile for mile basis.

At home? Electricity is much cheaper.

Yea i should have clarified. It definitely is more expensive, I just wouldn't classify it as really pricey. But that just may be a me thing. One thing though, if you are going on the road immediately after charging you most certainly can charge it all the way up to 100%. Not a good idea at a charging station because from 80%-100% is when it indeed is really preicey

 

[nysfl2]

I don’t understand why rental companies require you to return the vehicle fully (ok, mostly) charged. It should be cheaper and easier for them to charge it than for you to set aside time to fully charge it up before returning it. Just charge 10 extra bucks or whatever for the rental.

It would make renting electric a lot more appealing.

 

[BassNBrew]

I’ve rented several EVs in the past but would touch them now with the price of electrons at Superchargers. Seems like these companies are doing everything possible to discouraged EV expansion.

 

[BassNBrew]

And if you're not in your network it can be really pricey.

I dint think this is accurate. We have rented several EVs and driven all over Arizona and California and a couple other states. We are not part of any network. It was like 30 something dollars to charge most times.

For how many miles of fuel? That's not a very useful barometer alone.

For me to fill up to full, 5-100% (which I almost never do because you really shouldn't, though you can in an ICE vehicle), costs way more than the equivalent amount of gas on a mile for mile basis.

At home? Electricity is much cheaper.

Yea i should have clarified. It definitely is more expensive, I just wouldn't classify it as really pricey. But that just may be a me thing. One thing though, if you are going on the road immediately after charging you most certainly can charge it all the way up to 100%. Not a good idea at a charging station because from 80%-100% is when it indeed is really preicey

You mean slow, not pricey correct?

 

[BassNBrew]

I don’t understand why rental companies require you to return the vehicle fully (ok, mostly) charged. It should be cheaper and easier for them to charge it than for you to set aside time to fully charge it up before returning it. Just charge 10 extra bucks or whatever for the rental.

It would make renting electric a lot more appealing.

I can only assume turnaround time for them. Since they only clean the car about once a quarter these days they may be sending them back out in 10 minutes.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

The first couple pages of this thread make for a fantastic trip down memory lane.

 

[Buckna]

FWIW: the rental companies do offer the option to not have to top off the charge when you turn it in just like they offer the option to prepay gas. The one time I rented an EV, even though I am sure the rental company was upcharging me for the volts just as they do for the gas version, the math still made it worth it. The EV rate was cheaper than a gas powered vehicle and if I factored in the cost to fill the tank (and my time) it was still worth it. I very much imagine that YMMV

 

[Max Power]

Probably not a great time to buy a Tesla when we have public figures promoting vandalism against Tesla vehicles.

 

[Tick]

I’m sure this has been discussed upthread, but how are EV owners charging your vehicles? Just a 240 outlet, or dedicated charging station? I’m completely new to this, so explain it like I’m a toddler.

99% of my charging is at home. I had an electrician install a 220V welding outlet, which is what the charger plugs into. That charger has what looks like a gas nozzle that plugs into my car's outlet. In about 40,000 miles, I've charged away from home 10 times per the app, and one of those was a test. Each was at a DC fast charger on a trip too long to make it round trip back to my house.

In Michigan when I had the charger installed, the cost was about $500 and there was a state rebate of $500, so it was essentially free.

 

[BlackCrowes]

Probably not a great time to buy a Tesla when we have public figures promoting vandalism against Tesla vehicles.

i have seen some clever disguises

 

[fruity pebbles]

Probably not a great time to buy a Tesla when we have public figures promoting vandalism against Tesla vehicles.

Or a great time to buy a used one

 

[Chaos34]

Terrible time to sell mine.

 

[Tick]

hey google... nearest charging stations near me?

Range anxiety is real, but reality is different. I've made dozens of long trips, and most of them through sparsely populated regions. I leave the SoCal desert on a 6 hr ride to Tahoe regularly. Bishop (town of 14K) is on the way, otherwise just small towns. The only issue is fueling is 5xs faster than charging. I could gas up where I charge in 5-10 minutes. Charging takes 30-45. So I go for a little walk to stretch my legs, get a bite. I've grown to prefer it cuz at 63 my legs get stiff on long drives.

California is quite different than a lot of states though.

I've looked at charging station maps all over the country. You'd be hard pressed to find a dozen 6 hr routes less serviced than this one. The 95 from Vegas to Tahoe is also barren of civilization and I've done it a couple times with no worries. Can't miss your station on that one though. My Tesla protests if drive past it.

Gotcha. I think a lot of the range anxiety is the consequence of what happens if you do run dry. Gas vehicle, you call AAA or a friend and they bring you some gas. EV, you need to be towed to the nearest charging station.

Range anxiety is almost funny to me. I've had the 330 mile Model Y for a few years and never had an issue. Even so, when I consider a new ev, the first thing I look at is RANGE. If deciding between two, I'll avoid one I like better for one with more RANGE.

We purchased a 2021 long range, AWD model Y with 80k miles from Tesla in August and I totally agree with this sentiment. I also find that if I leave the "Range" display on battery % instead of miles remaining, I get less (meaning none) range anxiety. Oddly, in a gas vehicle, I almost always let it get as close to zero as I could.

FYI, I am loving the model Y. It makes every other vehicle (including a Kia eNiro) feel obsolete.

I have a Niro, it doesn't feel futuristic at all, it just feels like a car. My brother in law has a Tesla and while it feels futuristic, that comes with some negatives as well - I prefer knobs over touchscreen for car controls (and I design touchscreens for industrial machinery for a living).

 

[Tick]

And if you're not in your network it can be really pricey.

I dint think this is accurate. We have rented several EVs and driven all over Arizona and California and a couple other states. We are not part of any network. It was like 30 something dollars to charge most times.

For how many miles of fuel? That's not a very useful barometer alone.

For me to fill up to full, 5-100% (which I almost never do because you really shouldn't, though you can in an ICE vehicle), costs way more than the equivalent amount of gas on a mile for mile basis.

At home? Electricity is much cheaper.

Midwest, I pay about 10 cents a mile. I normally charge from 20-80% and it takes around 25 minutes. At home I am under a penny per mile (.02/KWH).

I just summarize it in my mind as "free at home, gas prices away from home" - close enough.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Used market is flooded with Teslas. You can find a few year old model 3 with 30-40,000 miles for like 20 grand.

 

[BlackCrowes]

free super-charging for me. i'm sticking. it's 9 years old. i'll drive it until it disintegrates

 

[Max Power]

Used market is flooded with Teslas. You can find a few year old model 3 with 30-40,000 miles for like 20 grand.

I wonder if the insurance on these are jumping up.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

every cyber truck is being recalled due to a loose exterior panel risk.

Tesla recalls nearly all Cybertrucks over loose exterior panel risk

According to a filing on March 20, the NHTSA said that Tesla is recalling 46,096 Cybertrucks in the U.S. to fix an exterior panel.

www.cbtnews.com

 

[BobbyLayne]

Used market is flooded with Teslas. You can find a few year old model 3 with 30-40,000 miles for like 20 grand.

I wonder if the insurance on these are jumping up.

That’s one consistent complaint I’ve heard from friends, regardless of location - it’s expensive to insure a Tesla even if have a stellar driving record. Presumably because of parts scarcity or the requirement to only use Tesla-certified shops?

Seems like it doesn’t take much of an accident to see one totaled (anecdotal).

 

[BlackCrowes]

every cyber truck is being recalled due to a loose exterior panel risk.

Tesla recalls nearly all Cybertrucks over loose exterior panel risk

According to a filing on March 20, the NHTSA said that Tesla is recalling 46,096 Cybertrucks in the U.S. to fix an exterior panel.

www.cbtnews.com

just use duct tape. won't even see it

 

[BassNBrew]

Used market is flooded with Teslas. You can find a few year old model 3 with 30-40,000 miles for like 20 grand.

You can buy a new Y for $36,000. I would expect that type of depreciation regardless of any other noise.

 

[Ridgeback]

every cyber truck is being recalled due to a loose exterior panel risk.

Tesla recalls nearly all Cybertrucks over loose exterior panel risk

According to a filing on March 20, the NHTSA said that Tesla is recalling 46,096 Cybertrucks in the U.S. to fix an exterior panel.

www.cbtnews.com

just use duct tape. won't even see it

I mean, I've seen duct tape on garbage trucks before.

 

[Nugget]

Used market is flooded with Teslas. You can find a few year old model 3 with 30-40,000 miles for like 20 grand.

You can buy a new Y for $36,000. I would expect that type of depreciation regardless of any other noise.

Tesla is just catching up to the rest of the EV world - Last summer the headlines were about 50% depreciation in the first year. There will be many more entrants in the EV space over the next 24 months.

 

[culdeus]

Used market is flooded with Teslas. You can find a few year old model 3 with 30-40,000 miles for like 20 grand.

You can buy a new Y for $36,000. I would expect that type of depreciation regardless of any other noise.

And Tesla's have been one of the most popular cars the last three years.

 

[fatness]

every cyber truck is being recalled due to a loose exterior panel risk.

Tesla recalls nearly all Cybertrucks over loose exterior panel risk

According to a filing on March 20, the NHTSA said that Tesla is recalling 46,096 Cybertrucks in the U.S. to fix an exterior panel.

www.cbtnews.com

Sounds like Tesla Cybertrucks have a problem with adhesives, among other things.

The Cybertruck is banned in the UK over safety concerns and has yet to be crash tested by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration or the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. Last month, a report found that the Cybertruck, in just its first year of existence, had a higher rate of fatal fire incidents than the infamous Ford Pinto. Recalls so far include one in April 2024 that recalled all Cybertrucks sold as of that date because of a pad on the accelerator pedal that could come unglued and make the pedal get stuck, two in June 2024 for the trunk bed trim sail that could come loose and failing windshield wipers, and one in September 2024 that required a software update because the rearview camera image was delayed. This latest recall is the eighth for the Cybertruck and includes every 2024 and 2025 model manufactured from November 13, 2023 to February 27, 2025, which Wired’s Aarian Marshall noted would cover “nearly all” Cybertrucks ever built.

 

[Max Power]

There is a website aimed at doxxing Tesla's owners making its rounds on the news.

"XXXXXX" aims to, “Empower creative expressions of protest” through exposing the names, addresses, phone numbers and email addresses of Tesla owners. The owners of the website said it will only remove the data if they can provide proof they’ve sold their Teslas.

It really pisses me off this is what our culture has become.

 

[BassNBrew]

There is a website aimed at doxxing Tesla's owners making its rounds on the news.

"XXXXXX" aims to, “Empower creative expressions of protest” through exposing the names, addresses, phone numbers and email addresses of Tesla owners. The owners of the website said it will only remove the data if they can provide proof they’ve sold their Teslas.

It really pisses me off this is what our culture has become.

There have always been nuts and fruitloops. I really doubt that there are more, modern tech just makes their yelling louder.

 

[BassNBrew]

There is a website aimed at doxxing Tesla's owners making its rounds on the news.

"XXXXXX" aims to, “Empower creative expressions of protest” through exposing the names, addresses, phone numbers and email addresses of Tesla owners. The owners of the website said it will only remove the data if they can provide proof they’ve sold their Teslas.

It really pisses me off this is what our culture has become.

Also can we do this for Apple phones and call out everyone supporting slave labor?

 

[Max Power]

There is a website aimed at doxxing Tesla's owners making its rounds on the news.

"XXXXXX" aims to, “Empower creative expressions of protest” through exposing the names, addresses, phone numbers and email addresses of Tesla owners. The owners of the website said it will only remove the data if they can provide proof they’ve sold their Teslas.

It really pisses me off this is what our culture has become.

There have always been nuts and fruitloops. I really doubt that there are more, modern tech just makes their yelling louder.

The problem is they are doing more than yelling. It's encouraging violence I have the issue with.

 

[fruity pebbles]

There is a website aimed at doxxing Tesla's owners making its rounds on the news.

"XXXXXX" aims to, “Empower creative expressions of protest” through exposing the names, addresses, phone numbers and email addresses of Tesla owners. The owners of the website said it will only remove the data if they can provide proof they’ve sold their Teslas.

It really pisses me off this is what our culture has become.

I can’t even fathom having so little going on that this a priority in my life.

 

[BassNBrew]

There is a website aimed at doxxing Tesla's owners making its rounds on the news.

"XXXXXX" aims to, “Empower creative expressions of protest” through exposing the names, addresses, phone numbers and email addresses of Tesla owners. The owners of the website said it will only remove the data if they can provide proof they’ve sold their Teslas.

It really pisses me off this is what our culture has become.

There have always been nuts and fruitloops. I really doubt that there are more, modern tech just makes their yelling louder.

The problem is they are doing more than yelling. It's encouraging violence I have the issue with.

Not ideal, but not unprecedented...

How the Weather Underground Failed at Revolution and Still Changed the World

A new book considers the legacy of the Weathermen

time.com

 

[Harry Frogfish]

Someone upthread said to read the first page or two. Fun read.

This is a straight cash-out IPO for the early investors and founders. None of the capital will be going to thew company's coffers.

That one took the cake.

 

[Osaurus]

There is a website aimed at doxxing Tesla's owners making its rounds on the news.

"XXXXXX" aims to, “Empower creative expressions of protest” through exposing the names, addresses, phone numbers and email addresses of Tesla owners. The owners of the website said it will only remove the data if they can provide proof they’ve sold their Teslas.

It really pisses me off this is what our culture has become.

There have always been nuts and fruitloops. I really doubt that there are more, modern tech just makes their yelling louder.

The problem is they are doing more than yelling. It's encouraging violence I have the issue with.

This

 

[Chaos34]

Terrible time to sell mine.

Sold. 2022 Model Y Long Range w/FSD, 30k miles - $33,500. Not great. Feel fortunate. Living in the reddest little city in CA found my buyer.

I don't own a car. New EVs are selling way under msrp. Tariffs are expected to drive prices higher. I don't think that happens next week, but I need a car.

This isn't far from me. Msrp 48k, selling for 33 (includes full tax credit). I borrowed a buddy's truck. I'm going shopping.

The Equinox has decent RANGE. 10 miles less than the Model Y. It has Super Cruise, the next best thing to FSD. I think that's the one for me.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Terrible time to sell mine.

Sold. 2022 Model Y Long Range w/FSD, 30k miles - $33,500. Not great. Feel fortunate. Living in the reddest little city in CA found my buyer.

I don't own a car. New EVs are selling way under msrp. Tariffs are expected to drive prices higher. I don't think that happens next week, but I need a car.

This isn't far from me. Msrp 48k, selling for 33 (includes full tax credit). I borrowed a buddy's truck. I'm going shopping.

The Equinox has decent RANGE. 10 miles less than the Model Y. It has Super Cruise, the next best thing to FSD. I think that's the one for me.

Glad you were able to abandon ship.

Also, living on an island, shocked at the concept of anything selling under MSRP. Without meaningful competition, dealers here arbitrarily tack on several thousand for "market adjustment". You're lucky to talk them down to MSRP.

We just got an Ioniq 6 for example, with MSRP $52K. Market adjustment was $4K+, but there was a dealer incentive from Hyundai for $7500, to offset the expired tax credit. After it was all said and done, we drove off for $51K

I contemplated flying to CA to buying a car, and shipping it. Wonder how much I'd have saved?

 

[fruity pebbles]

Terrible time to sell mine.

Sold. 2022 Model Y Long Range w/FSD, 30k miles - $33,500. Not great. Feel fortunate. Living in the reddest little city in CA found my buyer.

I don't own a car. New EVs are selling way under msrp. Tariffs are expected to drive prices higher. I don't think that happens next week, but I need a car.

This isn't far from me. Msrp 48k, selling for 33 (includes full tax credit). I borrowed a buddy's truck. I'm going shopping.

The Equinox has decent RANGE. 10 miles less than the Model Y. It has Super Cruise, the next best thing to FSD. I think that's the one for me.

Did you sell it because of the current Tesla stigma attached?

 

[culdeus]

Terrible time to sell mine.

Sold. 2022 Model Y Long Range w/FSD, 30k miles - $33,500. Not great. Feel fortunate. Living in the reddest little city in CA found my buyer.

I don't own a car. New EVs are selling way under msrp. Tariffs are expected to drive prices higher. I don't think that happens next week, but I need a car.

This isn't far from me. Msrp 48k, selling for 33 (includes full tax credit). I borrowed a buddy's truck. I'm going shopping.

The Equinox has decent RANGE. 10 miles less than the Model Y. It has Super Cruise, the next best thing to FSD. I think that's the one for me.

Glad you were able to abandon ship.

Also, living on an island, shocked at the concept of anything selling under MSRP. Without meaningful competition, dealers here arbitrarily tack on several thousand for "market adjustment". You're lucky to talk them down to MSRP.

We just got an Ioniq 6 for example, with MSRP $52K. Market adjustment was $4K+, but there was a dealer incentive from Hyundai for $7500, to offset the expired tax credit. After it was all said and done, we drove off for $51K

I contemplated flying to CA to buying a car, and shipping it. Wonder how much I'd have saved?

Ive heard the sweet spot for that is Montana but have done zero fact checking on any of it.

 

[Psychopav]

Terrible time to sell mine.

Sold. 2022 Model Y Long Range w/FSD, 30k miles - $33,500. Not great. Feel fortunate. Living in the reddest little city in CA found my buyer.

I don't own a car. New EVs are selling way under msrp. Tariffs are expected to drive prices higher. I don't think that happens next week, but I need a car.

This isn't far from me. Msrp 48k, selling for 33 (includes full tax credit). I borrowed a buddy's truck. I'm going shopping.

The Equinox has decent RANGE. 10 miles less than the Model Y. It has Super Cruise, the next best thing to FSD. I think that's the one for me.

Glad you were able to abandon ship.

Also, living on an island, shocked at the concept of anything selling under MSRP. Without meaningful competition, dealers here arbitrarily tack on several thousand for "market adjustment". You're lucky to talk them down to MSRP.

We just got an Ioniq 6 for example, with MSRP $52K. Market adjustment was $4K+, but there was a dealer incentive from Hyundai for $7500, to offset the expired tax credit. After it was all said and done, we drove off for $51K

I contemplated flying to CA to buying a car, and shipping it. Wonder how much I'd have saved?

Out of curiosity, did you consider leasing?

 

[Terminalxylem]

Terrible time to sell mine.

Sold. 2022 Model Y Long Range w/FSD, 30k miles - $33,500. Not great. Feel fortunate. Living in the reddest little city in CA found my buyer.

I don't own a car. New EVs are selling way under msrp. Tariffs are expected to drive prices higher. I don't think that happens next week, but I need a car.

This isn't far from me. Msrp 48k, selling for 33 (includes full tax credit). I borrowed a buddy's truck. I'm going shopping.

The Equinox has decent RANGE. 10 miles less than the Model Y. It has Super Cruise, the next best thing to FSD. I think that's the one for me.

Glad you were able to abandon ship.

Also, living on an island, shocked at the concept of anything selling under MSRP. Without meaningful competition, dealers here arbitrarily tack on several thousand for "market adjustment". You're lucky to talk them down to MSRP.

We just got an Ioniq 6 for example, with MSRP $52K. Market adjustment was $4K+, but there was a dealer incentive from Hyundai for $7500, to offset the expired tax credit. After it was all said and done, we drove off for $51K

I contemplated flying to CA to buying a car, and shipping it. Wonder how much I'd have saved?

Out of curiosity, did you consider leasing?

Yeah, for a couple minutes. Ran the numbers for a lease with quick pay-off, and it looked like it would save a thousand or two from what we paid. Probably less before it was all said and done, as there were multiple steps with processing fees along the way.

Ultimately, wife didn’t feel comfortable/want to deal with the hassle, so we just purchased.

FYI, strongly considered EV6 as well. The features are nearly identical (makes sense), but my wife and I prefer cars over SUVs.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Terrible time to sell mine.

Sold. 2022 Model Y Long Range w/FSD, 30k miles - $33,500. Not great. Feel fortunate. Living in the reddest little city in CA found my buyer.

I don't own a car. New EVs are selling way under msrp. Tariffs are expected to drive prices higher. I don't think that happens next week, but I need a car.

This isn't far from me. Msrp 48k, selling for 33 (includes full tax credit). I borrowed a buddy's truck. I'm going shopping.

The Equinox has decent RANGE. 10 miles less than the Model Y. It has Super Cruise, the next best thing to FSD. I think that's the one for me.

Glad you were able to abandon ship.

Also, living on an island, shocked at the concept of anything selling under MSRP. Without meaningful competition, dealers here arbitrarily tack on several thousand for "market adjustment". You're lucky to talk them down to MSRP.

We just got an Ioniq 6 for example, with MSRP $52K. Market adjustment was $4K+, but there was a dealer incentive from Hyundai for $7500, to offset the expired tax credit. After it was all said and done, we drove off for $51K

I contemplated flying to CA to buying a car, and shipping it. Wonder how much I'd have saved?

Ive heard the sweet spot for that is Montana but have done zero fact checking on any of it.

Interesting, as I go to Montana fairly regularly. Wonder why MT would be the best place to buy/ship a vehicle?

 

[Dezbelief]

Terrible time to sell mine.

Sold. 2022 Model Y Long Range w/FSD, 30k miles - $33,500. Not great. Feel fortunate. Living in the reddest little city in CA found my buyer.

I don't own a car. New EVs are selling way under msrp. Tariffs are expected to drive prices higher. I don't think that happens next week, but I need a car.

This isn't far from me. Msrp 48k, selling for 33 (includes full tax credit). I borrowed a buddy's truck. I'm going shopping.

The Equinox has decent RANGE. 10 miles less than the Model Y. It has Super Cruise, the next best thing to FSD. I think that's the one for me.

Glad you were able to abandon ship.

Also, living on an island, shocked at the concept of anything selling under MSRP. Without meaningful competition, dealers here arbitrarily tack on several thousand for "market adjustment". You're lucky to talk them down to MSRP.

We just got an Ioniq 6 for example, with MSRP $52K. Market adjustment was $4K+, but there was a dealer incentive from Hyundai for $7500, to offset the expired tax credit. After it was all said and done, we drove off for $51K

I contemplated flying to CA to buying a car, and shipping it. Wonder how much I'd have saved?

Ive heard the sweet spot for that is Montana but have done zero fact checking on any of it.

Interesting, as I go to Montana fairly regularly. Wonder why MT would be the best place to buy/ship a vehicle?

Low demand?

 

[Nugget]

Montana doesn’t charge a sales tax on vehicles. The idea used to be to set up an LLC in Montana, but I think it is a red flag for other tax fraud.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Just rode in a Tesla X. Wow. Amazing.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Just rode in a Tesla X. Wow. Amazing.

What amazed you?

 

[Terminalxylem]

Montana doesn’t charge a sales tax on vehicles. The idea used to be to set up an LLC in Montana, but I think it is a red flag for other tax fraud.

So, if a non-resident buys from a MT dealer, do they still have to pay sales tax in their home state?

 

[Joe Bryant]

Just rode in a Tesla X. Wow. Amazing.

What amazed you?

The style and quality. Granted it was a 20 minute ride but falcon wing doors to open and then stepping into interior was much higher than I expected. Fit and finish was 10/10. Intrument panel was outstanding and ergonomics for the passenger was 10/10. Super quiet ride and acceleration of course was incredible but everyone knows that. The main thing that hit me was the quality.

 

[BlackCrowes]

Just rode in a Tesla X. Wow. Amazing.

What amazed you?

the S and X are really nice. the bat wing thing is cool at first, but i think it would get old for me. the acceleration is just a lot of fun. As i said, i'll run this 2016 S75 into the ground. its fun to drive.

 

[Nugget]

Montana doesn’t charge a sales tax on vehicles. The idea used to be to set up an LLC in Montana, but I think it is a red flag for other tax fraud.

So, if a non-resident buys from a MT dealer, do they still have to pay sales tax in their home state?

Yes. You would pay sales tax when you went to register the vehicle.