Eli Manning: Does Anyone Still Believe? (1 Viewer)

[Shutout]

Fantasy football is a funny thing.

I can remember years ago always championing ELi and saying that he was overlooked and although people gave him little thought as a FF QB, he was always solid and would settle in around QB 12-14. You could do worse and you could win leagues with him.

Then there were the golden years and now people are looking to see if he goes back to some upper echelon.

I think he is just going to settle right back in where he always was. A little better than Big Ben. A little worse than Tony Romo (another guy that gets no credit in FF for whatever reason) and he will be what he is: a top 12-14 guy that can win you a league.

I would have no problem with him as my fantasy QB. I could hope for more studliness but I wouldn't complain about what I got.

 

[Anarchy99]

Fantasy football is a funny thing.

I can remember years ago always championing ELi and saying that he was overlooked and although people gave him little thought as a FF QB, he was always solid and would settle in around QB 12-14. You could do worse and you could win leagues with him.

Then there were the golden years and now people are looking to see if he goes back to some upper echelon.

I think he is just going to settle right back in where he always was. A little better than Big Ben. A little worse than Tony Romo (another guy that gets no credit in FF for whatever reason) and he will be what he is: a top 12-14 guy that can win you a league.

I would have no problem with him as my fantasy QB. I could hope for more studliness but I wouldn't complain about what I got.

If we are talking fantasy, settling for Eli would mostly be settling for mediocrity. Across the past 10 years, of all QBs that have appeared in at least 20 games, Eli ranks 24th in fantasy ppg. Sure, he's had a few decent seasons, but overall his VBD fantasy value really hasn't been all that great.

Here is the list of fantasy ppg for QBs over the past 10 years . . .

1	Cam Newton	24.032	Aaron Rodgers	23.123	Drew Brees	22.624	Peyton Manning	22.625	RG III	        22.216	Matt Stafford	21.807	Tom Brady	21.638	Andrew Luck	21.389	Nick Foles	20.2710	Russell Wilson	20.1711	Donovan McNabb	19.8512	Andy Dalton	19.3113	Matt Ryan	19.0814	Philip Rivers	18.4715	Roethlisberger	18.4616	Michael Vick	18.2117	Jay Cutler	17.9218	Kurt Warner	17.7819	Tony Romo	17.6520	D Culpepper	17.6321	Carson Palmer	17.6222	Josh Freeman	17.2923	Brett Favre	17.0924	Eli Manning	16.8525	Ryan Tannehill	16.75

 

[PhantomJB]

Fantasy football is a funny thing.

I can remember years ago always championing ELi and saying that he was overlooked and although people gave him little thought as a FF QB, he was always solid and would settle in around QB 12-14. You could do worse and you could win leagues with him.

Then there were the golden years and now people are looking to see if he goes back to some upper echelon.

I think he is just going to settle right back in where he always was. A little better than Big Ben. A little worse than Tony Romo (another guy that gets no credit in FF for whatever reason) and he will be what he is: a top 12-14 guy that can win you a league.

I would have no problem with him as my fantasy QB. I could hope for more studliness but I wouldn't complain about what I got.

If we are talking fantasy, settling for Eli would mostly be settling for mediocrity. Across the past 10 years, of all QBs that have appeared in at least 20 games, Eli ranks 24th in fantasy ppg. Sure, he's had a few decent seasons, but overall his VBD fantasy value really hasn't been all that great.

Here is the list of fantasy ppg for QBs over the past 10 years . . .

1 Cam Newton 24.032 Aaron Rodgers 23.123 Drew Brees 22.624 Peyton Manning 22.625 RG III 22.216 Matt Stafford 21.807 Tom Brady 21.638 Andrew Luck 21.389 Nick Foles 20.2710 Russell Wilson 20.1711 Donovan McNabb 19.8512 Andy Dalton 19.3113 Matt Ryan 19.0814 Philip Rivers 18.4715 Roethlisberger 18.4616 Michael Vick 18.2117 Jay Cutler 17.9218 Kurt Warner 17.7819 Tony Romo 17.6520 D Culpepper 17.6321 Carson Palmer 17.6222 Josh Freeman 17.2923 Brett Favre 17.0924 Eli Manning 16.8525 Ryan Tannehill 16.75

And yet Eli's average finish from 2005-2014 according to FBG stats (even including last year's bed-wetting) has been QB11.

2013 - QB21

2012 - QB14

2011 - QB6

2010 - QB7

2009 - QB10

2008 - QB14

2007 - QB14

2006 - QB11

2005 - QB4

If you draft him this year at QB20 in the 13th round (FFC ADP) and he puts up an Eli-like 4K yards 27-28 TD's you can build quite a monster team at the other skill positions.

 

[Tau837]

Fantasy football is a funny thing.

I can remember years ago always championing ELi and saying that he was overlooked and although people gave him little thought as a FF QB, he was always solid and would settle in around QB 12-14. You could do worse and you could win leagues with him.

Then there were the golden years and now people are looking to see if he goes back to some upper echelon.

I think he is just going to settle right back in where he always was. A little better than Big Ben. A little worse than Tony Romo (another guy that gets no credit in FF for whatever reason) and he will be what he is: a top 12-14 guy that can win you a league.

I would have no problem with him as my fantasy QB. I could hope for more studliness but I wouldn't complain about what I got.

If we are talking fantasy, settling for Eli would mostly be settling for mediocrity. Across the past 10 years, of all QBs that have appeared in at least 20 games, Eli ranks 24th in fantasy ppg. Sure, he's had a few decent seasons, but overall his VBD fantasy value really hasn't been all that great.Here is the list of fantasy ppg for QBs over the past 10 years . . .

1 Cam Newton 24.032 Aaron Rodgers 23.123 Drew Brees 22.624 Peyton Manning 22.625 RG III 22.216 Matt Stafford 21.807 Tom Brady 21.638 Andrew Luck 21.389 Nick Foles 20.2710 Russell Wilson 20.1711 Donovan McNabb 19.8512 Andy Dalton 19.3113 Matt Ryan 19.0814 Philip Rivers 18.4715 Roethlisberger 18.4616 Michael Vick 18.2117 Jay Cutler 17.9218 Kurt Warner 17.7819 Tony Romo 17.6520 D Culpepper 17.6321 Carson Palmer 17.6222 Josh Freeman 17.2923 Brett Favre 17.0924 Eli Manning 16.8525 Ryan Tannehill 16.75

And yet Eli's average finish from 2005-2014 according to FBG stats (even including last year's bed-wetting) has been QB11.

2013 - QB21

2012 - QB14

2011 - QB6

2010 - QB7

2009 - QB10

2008 - QB14

2007 - QB14

2006 - QB11

2005 - QB4

If you draft him this year at QB20 in the 13th round (FFC ADP) and he puts up an Eli-like 4K yards 27-28 TD's you can build quite a monster team at the other skill positions.

That's because Eli hasn't missed games. What was his average ppg rank over those same seasons? I'm pretty sure it is well below QB11.

 

[Anarchy99]

Fantasy football is a funny thing.

I can remember years ago always championing ELi and saying that he was overlooked and although people gave him little thought as a FF QB, he was always solid and would settle in around QB 12-14. You could do worse and you could win leagues with him.

Then there were the golden years and now people are looking to see if he goes back to some upper echelon.

I think he is just going to settle right back in where he always was. A little better than Big Ben. A little worse than Tony Romo (another guy that gets no credit in FF for whatever reason) and he will be what he is: a top 12-14 guy that can win you a league.

I would have no problem with him as my fantasy QB. I could hope for more studliness but I wouldn't complain about what I got.

If we are talking fantasy, settling for Eli would mostly be settling for mediocrity. Across the past 10 years, of all QBs that have appeared in at least 20 games, Eli ranks 24th in fantasy ppg. Sure, he's had a few decent seasons, but overall his VBD fantasy value really hasn't been all that great.

Here is the list of fantasy ppg for QBs over the past 10 years . . .

1 Cam Newton 24.032 Aaron Rodgers 23.123 Drew Brees 22.624 Peyton Manning 22.625 RG III 22.216 Matt Stafford 21.807 Tom Brady 21.638 Andrew Luck 21.389 Nick Foles 20.2710 Russell Wilson 20.1711 Donovan McNabb 19.8512 Andy Dalton 19.3113 Matt Ryan 19.0814 Philip Rivers 18.4715 Roethlisberger 18.4616 Michael Vick 18.2117 Jay Cutler 17.9218 Kurt Warner 17.7819 Tony Romo 17.6520 D Culpepper 17.6321 Carson Palmer 17.6222 Josh Freeman 17.2923 Brett Favre 17.0924 Eli Manning 16.8525 Ryan Tannehill 16.75

And yet Eli's average finish from 2005-2014 according to FBG stats (even including last year's bed-wetting) has been QB11.

2013 - QB21

2012 - QB14

2011 - QB6

2010 - QB7

2009 - QB10

2008 - QB14

2007 - QB14

2006 - QB11

2005 - QB4

If you draft him this year at QB20 in the 13th round (FFC ADP) and he puts up an Eli-like 4K yards 27-28 TD's you can build quite a monster team at the other skill positions.

Thus the fallacy of only using yearend rankings instead of ppg as a fantasy metric. Eli has ranked higher than he has produced for fantasy purposes because he has played in more games. I call it the Joe Flacco effect, but in this case it applies to Eli. Here are the same years you listed but using ppg instead . . (minimum 3 games played).

2013 - 37

2012 - 17

2011 - 8

2010 - 12

2009 - 12

2008 - 18

2007 - 19

2006 - 19

2005 - 7

2004 - 45

Eli has never been in the top half of ppg for fantasy QB1s ever (in a 12 team league). He mostly has been a liability, and he historically has been light years away from the peak producers. IMO, he offers very little return based on where you can get him. Sure, you might have one better bench RB or WR, but that really is not going to impact your team's overall fantasy output on a weekly basis. Last year, rostering or playing Eli was like brining a knife to a gunfight. His brother scored twice as many fantasy points as he did. That's a difference of 15 ppg. Sorry, no added depth on your roster could possibly make up 15 points per game. If compared to the QB12 in ppg, Eli was almost a full 6 points per game behind.

The point being, there are plenty of fantasy options available at QB. In most leagues, there are probably guys on the waiver wire that can battle Eli in terms of weekly productivity.

 

[Khy]

Fantasy football is a funny thing.

I can remember years ago always championing ELi and saying that he was overlooked and although people gave him little thought as a FF QB, he was always solid and would settle in around QB 12-14. You could do worse and you could win leagues with him.

Then there were the golden years and now people are looking to see if he goes back to some upper echelon.

I think he is just going to settle right back in where he always was. A little better than Big Ben. A little worse than Tony Romo (another guy that gets no credit in FF for whatever reason) and he will be what he is: a top 12-14 guy that can win you a league.

I would have no problem with him as my fantasy QB. I could hope for more studliness but I wouldn't complain about what I got.

If we are talking fantasy, settling for Eli would mostly be settling for mediocrity. Across the past 10 years, of all QBs that have appeared in at least 20 games, Eli ranks 24th in fantasy ppg. Sure, he's had a few decent seasons, but overall his VBD fantasy value really hasn't been all that great.

Here is the list of fantasy ppg for QBs over the past 10 years . . .

1 Cam Newton 24.032 Aaron Rodgers 23.123 Drew Brees 22.624 Peyton Manning 22.625 RG III 22.216 Matt Stafford 21.807 Tom Brady 21.638 Andrew Luck 21.389 Nick Foles 20.2710 Russell Wilson 20.1711 Donovan McNabb 19.8512 Andy Dalton 19.3113 Matt Ryan 19.0814 Philip Rivers 18.4715 Roethlisberger 18.4616 Michael Vick 18.2117 Jay Cutler 17.9218 Kurt Warner 17.7819 Tony Romo 17.6520 D Culpepper 17.6321 Carson Palmer 17.6222 Josh Freeman 17.2923 Brett Favre 17.0924 Eli Manning 16.8525 Ryan Tannehill 16.75

And yet Eli's average finish from 2005-2014 according to FBG stats (even including last year's bed-wetting) has been QB11.

2013 - QB21

2012 - QB14

2011 - QB6

2010 - QB7

2009 - QB10

2008 - QB14

2007 - QB14

2006 - QB11

2005 - QB4

If you draft him this year at QB20 in the 13th round (FFC ADP) and he puts up an Eli-like 4K yards 27-28 TD's you can build quite a monster team at the other skill positions.

Thus the fallacy of only using yearend rankings instead of ppg as a fantasy metric. Eli has ranked higher than he has produced for fantasy purposes because he has played in more games. I call it the Joe Flacco effect, but in this case it applies to Eli. Here are the same years you listed but using ppg instead . . (minimum 3 games played).

2013 - 37

2012 - 17

2011 - 8

2010 - 12

2009 - 12

2008 - 18

2007 - 19

2006 - 19

2005 - 7

2004 - 45

Eli has never been in the top half of ppg for fantasy QB1s ever (in a 12 team league). He mostly has been a liability, and he historically has been light years away from the peak producers. IMO, he offers very little return based on where you can get him. Sure, you might have one better bench RB or WR, but that really is not going to impact your team's overall fantasy output on a weekly basis. Last year, rostering or playing Eli was like brining a knife to a gunfight. His brother scored twice as many fantasy points as he did. That's a difference of 15 ppg. Sorry, no added depth on your roster could possibly make up 15 points per game. If compared to the QB12 in ppg, Eli was almost a full 6 points per game behind.

The point being, there are plenty of fantasy options available at QB. In most leagues, there are probably guys on the waiver wire that can battle Eli in terms of weekly productivity.

First things first... since when is remaining healthy a whole season a bad thing? Second, what site are you using for your data? Third, how many of the guys above him each of those years played less than 8 games (half a season)?

Using the fftoday historical data and subtracting guys who played less than 8 games here are his numbers.

2013 - 29th

2012 - 17th

2011 - 7th

2010 - 10th

2009 - 12th

2008 - 19th

2007 - 15th

2006 - 14th

2005 - 6th

2004 - 33rd

His 'adjusted average' is QB16.2 if we subtract the big outlier and the only year he didn't play a full season which was 2004 (his rookie year) he comes in at QB14.3 over the course of his career. So more or less his entire career he's been an every week QB2 with the potential for QB1 upside each and every year of his career. And if we take out his one big outlier (last season) he averaged out as the QB12.5 over 8 of his 10 year career. You can't go putting him below guys who played 1-3 games and such and saying he sucked. Any QB can randomly come in and score 20 points in a game and then not play the rest of the season and show up with 20ppg.

 

[Anarchy99]

Fantasy football is a funny thing.

I can remember years ago always championing ELi and saying that he was overlooked and although people gave him little thought as a FF QB, he was always solid and would settle in around QB 12-14. You could do worse and you could win leagues with him.

Then there were the golden years and now people are looking to see if he goes back to some upper echelon.

I think he is just going to settle right back in where he always was. A little better than Big Ben. A little worse than Tony Romo (another guy that gets no credit in FF for whatever reason) and he will be what he is: a top 12-14 guy that can win you a league.

I would have no problem with him as my fantasy QB. I could hope for more studliness but I wouldn't complain about what I got.

If we are talking fantasy, settling for Eli would mostly be settling for mediocrity. Across the past 10 years, of all QBs that have appeared in at least 20 games, Eli ranks 24th in fantasy ppg. Sure, he's had a few decent seasons, but overall his VBD fantasy value really hasn't been all that great.

Here is the list of fantasy ppg for QBs over the past 10 years . . .

1 Cam Newton 24.032 Aaron Rodgers 23.123 Drew Brees 22.624 Peyton Manning 22.625 RG III 22.216 Matt Stafford 21.807 Tom Brady 21.638 Andrew Luck 21.389 Nick Foles 20.2710 Russell Wilson 20.1711 Donovan McNabb 19.8512 Andy Dalton 19.3113 Matt Ryan 19.0814 Philip Rivers 18.4715 Roethlisberger 18.4616 Michael Vick 18.2117 Jay Cutler 17.9218 Kurt Warner 17.7819 Tony Romo 17.6520 D Culpepper 17.6321 Carson Palmer 17.6222 Josh Freeman 17.2923 Brett Favre 17.0924 Eli Manning 16.8525 Ryan Tannehill 16.75

And yet Eli's average finish from 2005-2014 according to FBG stats (even including last year's bed-wetting) has been QB11.

2013 - QB21

2012 - QB14

2011 - QB6

2010 - QB7

2009 - QB10

2008 - QB14

2007 - QB14

2006 - QB11

2005 - QB4

If you draft him this year at QB20 in the 13th round (FFC ADP) and he puts up an Eli-like 4K yards 27-28 TD's you can build quite a monster team at the other skill positions.

Thus the fallacy of only using yearend rankings instead of ppg as a fantasy metric. Eli has ranked higher than he has produced for fantasy purposes because he has played in more games. I call it the Joe Flacco effect, but in this case it applies to Eli. Here are the same years you listed but using ppg instead . . (minimum 3 games played).

2013 - 37

2012 - 17

2011 - 8

2010 - 12

2009 - 12

2008 - 18

2007 - 19

2006 - 19

2005 - 7

2004 - 45

Eli has never been in the top half of ppg for fantasy QB1s ever (in a 12 team league). He mostly has been a liability, and he historically has been light years away from the peak producers. IMO, he offers very little return based on where you can get him. Sure, you might have one better bench RB or WR, but that really is not going to impact your team's overall fantasy output on a weekly basis. Last year, rostering or playing Eli was like brining a knife to a gunfight. His brother scored twice as many fantasy points as he did. That's a difference of 15 ppg. Sorry, no added depth on your roster could possibly make up 15 points per game. If compared to the QB12 in ppg, Eli was almost a full 6 points per game behind.

The point being, there are plenty of fantasy options available at QB. In most leagues, there are probably guys on the waiver wire that can battle Eli in terms of weekly productivity.

First things first... since when is remaining healthy a whole season a bad thing? Second, what site are you using for your data? Third, how many of the guys above him each of those years played less than 8 games (half a season)?

Using the fftoday historical data and subtracting guys who played less than 8 games here are his numbers.

2013 - 29th

2012 - 17th

2011 - 7th

2010 - 10th

2009 - 12th

2008 - 19th

2007 - 15th

2006 - 14th

2005 - 6th

2004 - 33rd

His 'adjusted average' is QB16.2 if we subtract the big outlier and the only year he didn't play a full season which was 2004 (his rookie year) he comes in at QB14.3 over the course of his career. So more or less his entire career he's been an every week QB2 with the potential for QB1 upside each and every year of his career. And if we take out his one big outlier (last season) he averaged out as the QB12.5 over 8 of his 10 year career. You can't go putting him below guys who played 1-3 games and such and saying he sucked. Any QB can randomly come in and score 20 points in a game and then not play the rest of the season and show up with 20ppg.

What you are missing is that there are PLENTY of QB options in fantasy. Most teams in my leagues carry 2 QBs. Some only carry a single QB because there are so many other options available on the waiver wire. Between regular starters and temporary fill ins, I would guess that there might be 6-10 QBs that might actually be on waivers that could be starting in NFL games in any given week.

For savvy fantasy owners, do games by the Vince Youngs, Matt Flynns, Matt Moores, or Nick Foles of the world not count, especially when they are playing horrible defenses? I picked up Billy Volek when he had a stretch where he was superman. Should I have to forfeit the games where I started him and won against "more established" QBs?

I got my numbers from the FBG historical data dominator. I picked 3 games played. You can pick any other number. My point was, even guys that barely played could step in and out produce Eli.

And simply averaging his annual rankings is a HORRIBLE way to describe his performance. His ppg compared to top fantasy QBs has paled in comparison, which is why he ranked so low in ppg across the past 10 years.

Playing all the time is a plus at RB and WR. I am not sure that is such a major selling point for QBs, as there are very viable (and often better) replacements available. It's a lot hard to find a true stud RB off of waivers in Week 13 when your main guy goes down. But you can find QB options from thin air and still remain competitive.

 

[PhantomJB]

Fantasy football is a funny thing.

I can remember years ago always championing ELi and saying that he was overlooked and although people gave him little thought as a FF QB, he was always solid and would settle in around QB 12-14. You could do worse and you could win leagues with him.

Then there were the golden years and now people are looking to see if he goes back to some upper echelon.

I think he is just going to settle right back in where he always was. A little better than Big Ben. A little worse than Tony Romo (another guy that gets no credit in FF for whatever reason) and he will be what he is: a top 12-14 guy that can win you a league.

I would have no problem with him as my fantasy QB. I could hope for more studliness but I wouldn't complain about what I got.

If we are talking fantasy, settling for Eli would mostly be settling for mediocrity. Across the past 10 years, of all QBs that have appeared in at least 20 games, Eli ranks 24th in fantasy ppg. Sure, he's had a few decent seasons, but overall his VBD fantasy value really hasn't been all that great.

Playing all the time is a plus at RB and WR. I am not sure that is such a major selling point for QBs, as there are very viable (and often better) replacements available. It's a lot hard to find a true stud RB off of waivers in Week 13 when your main guy goes down. But you can find QB options from thin air and still remain competitive.

This in particular is a very good point.

I went back through a number of years' historical data and for the PPG leaders were usually reliable QBs (e.g. Big Ben, Romo, etc.) who randomly got injured and played fewer games vs. an "injury-prone" QB like a Vick. Some Dennis Dixons one-game wonders sprinkled in there but not much. So appreciate reminding that metric.

That said, another way to look at it is even on a PPG basis Eli has finished as a low-end QB1 in 3 of the last 5 years. Not looking to cherry pick but IMO that is good upside and value at ADP QB20 in the 13th round.

 

[Faust]

Giants hope new offense can help Eli Manning return to former glory

 

[Chadstroma]

I am expecting a bounceback. I don't understand why people jump ship on players that have one bad year. Big time buy low prospect IMO.

 

[RushHour]

I don't know why anyone would bother with Eli when QB is so deep. There are just too many options. Sure, he might bounce back, but what's the real upside here? Best case scenario he might finish around the top 12-15 QBs and that's pretty easy to find elsewhere without as much bust potential.

 

[Shutout]

Fantasy football is a funny thing.

I can remember years ago always championing ELi and saying that he was overlooked and although people gave him little thought as a FF QB, he was always solid and would settle in around QB 12-14. You could do worse and you could win leagues with him.

Then there were the golden years and now people are looking to see if he goes back to some upper echelon.

I think he is just going to settle right back in where he always was. A little better than Big Ben. A little worse than Tony Romo (another guy that gets no credit in FF for whatever reason) and he will be what he is: a top 12-14 guy that can win you a league.

I would have no problem with him as my fantasy QB. I could hope for more studliness but I wouldn't complain about what I got.

If we are talking fantasy, settling for Eli would mostly be settling for mediocrity. Across the past 10 years, of all QBs that have appeared in at least 20 games, Eli ranks 24th in fantasy ppg. Sure, he's had a few decent seasons, but overall his VBD fantasy value really hasn't been all that great.

Here is the list of fantasy ppg for QBs over the past 10 years . . .

1 Cam Newton 24.032 Aaron Rodgers 23.123 Drew Brees 22.624 Peyton Manning 22.625 RG III 22.216 Matt Stafford 21.807 Tom Brady 21.638 Andrew Luck 21.389 Nick Foles 20.2710 Russell Wilson 20.1711 Donovan McNabb 19.8512 Andy Dalton 19.3113 Matt Ryan 19.0814 Philip Rivers 18.4715 Roethlisberger 18.4616 Michael Vick 18.2117 Jay Cutler 17.9218 Kurt Warner 17.7819 Tony Romo 17.6520 D Culpepper 17.6321 Carson Palmer 17.6222 Josh Freeman 17.2923 Brett Favre 17.0924 Eli Manning 16.8525 Ryan Tannehill 16.75

The problem with that list is 11 of those guys didn't really play in the window of time we are talking about for Eli's body of work. In those years I was discussing, there was not Wilson, Luck, RG III, Cam, etc, etc. So Eli was consistently hitting right there in that 12-14 spot for those individual seasons and that was working.

I can clearly remember a handful of years back (2008,2009 I think), winning titles with Eli as my Qb and losing titles with Peyton and Brees and that was directly connected to the fact that I was stealing Eli late and had a better team form players drafted at the top. Where other people (people like me in other leagues) were taking Brees early, that is where I was getting a Fitz or a solid RB2 or whatever).

Overall, he's been underrated and then when he finally played over his head, he is now judged on not living up to what was a short, unrealistic stretch. His best comparable for HIM is QB12-14. That is his realistic value.

 

[Shutout]

I don't know why anyone would bother with Eli when QB is so deep. There are just too many options. Sure, he might bounce back, but what's the real upside here? Best case scenario he might finish around the top 12-15 QBs and that's pretty easy to find elsewhere without as much bust potential.

I follow everything you say except "bust potential". There really is none because nobody is going to draft ELi as a top 10, so he will be drafted somewhere close to where he should be and he has never truly busted. Palmer busted bad. Big Ben and Rivers have busted. Lots of guys have been major let downs. But even in his worst of times, I think the farthest Eli has ever fallen in an individual season is something like 19.

Point being, you're right. not a terrible amount o get excited about that becomes QB3 this year. But on the other hand, he's probably one of the last guys that you will draft that will kill your team. If you fall, it won't be far off from where you get him.

 

[Anarchy99]

Fantasy football is a funny thing.

I can remember years ago always championing ELi and saying that he was overlooked and although people gave him little thought as a FF QB, he was always solid and would settle in around QB 12-14. You could do worse and you could win leagues with him.

Then there were the golden years and now people are looking to see if he goes back to some upper echelon.

I think he is just going to settle right back in where he always was. A little better than Big Ben. A little worse than Tony Romo (another guy that gets no credit in FF for whatever reason) and he will be what he is: a top 12-14 guy that can win you a league.

I would have no problem with him as my fantasy QB. I could hope for more studliness but I wouldn't complain about what I got.

If we are talking fantasy, settling for Eli would mostly be settling for mediocrity. Across the past 10 years, of all QBs that have appeared in at least 20 games, Eli ranks 24th in fantasy ppg. Sure, he's had a few decent seasons, but overall his VBD fantasy value really hasn't been all that great.

Here is the list of fantasy ppg for QBs over the past 10 years . . .

1 Cam Newton 24.032 Aaron Rodgers 23.123 Drew Brees 22.624 Peyton Manning 22.625 RG III 22.216 Matt Stafford 21.807 Tom Brady 21.638 Andrew Luck 21.389 Nick Foles 20.2710 Russell Wilson 20.1711 Donovan McNabb 19.8512 Andy Dalton 19.3113 Matt Ryan 19.0814 Philip Rivers 18.4715 Roethlisberger 18.4616 Michael Vick 18.2117 Jay Cutler 17.9218 Kurt Warner 17.7819 Tony Romo 17.6520 D Culpepper 17.6321 Carson Palmer 17.6222 Josh Freeman 17.2923 Brett Favre 17.0924 Eli Manning 16.8525 Ryan Tannehill 16.75

The problem with that list is 11 of those guys didn't really play in the window of time we are talking about for Eli's body of work. In those years I was discussing, there was not Wilson, Luck, RG III, Cam, etc, etc. So Eli was consistently hitting right there in that 12-14 spot for those individual seasons and that was working.

I can clearly remember a handful of years back (2008,2009 I think), winning titles with Eli as my Qb and losing titles with Peyton and Brees and that was directly connected to the fact that I was stealing Eli late and had a better team form players drafted at the top. Where other people (people like me in other leagues) were taking Brees early, that is where I was getting a Fitz or a solid RB2 or whatever).

Overall, he's been underrated and then when he finally played over his head, he is now judged on not living up to what was a short, unrealistic stretch. His best comparable for HIM is QB12-14. That is his realistic value.

It's clear that no matter what list or rankings I provide, people that like Eli will continue to like Eli no matter what.

That being said, if you would rather consider more recent data because the other list was too old, Eli has ranked 19th in ppg scoring over the past 3 seasons for players that have started at least 8 games.

I suspect that the years you drafted better QBs you either ran into injuries or did not draft as well, and the years you had Eli you drafted healthier players or drafted better guys.

Remember, you are basically only changing two roster slots . . . the one where you took a QB (early or late) and the one you took someone else (late or early). The rest of your roster would be the same.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I follow everything you say except "bust potential". There really is none because nobody is going to draft ELi as a top 10, so he will be drafted somewhere close to where he should be and he has never truly busted. Palmer busted bad. Big Ben and Rivers have busted. Lots of guys have been major let downs. But even in his worst of times, I think the farthest Eli has ever fallen in an individual season is something like 19.

Just last year Eli Manning was QB36 in PPG. If that's not a bust, I'm not sure what is. You'd have been better off rotating Scott Tolzien / Christian Ponder level WW scrubs than trotting Eli out there every week.

I'm completely baffled that people continue to advocate for Eli Manning as an FF QB. The guy's upside is to give you a weekly disadvantage at QB. This year he's dealing with trying to integrate a new system and new weapons, and the line will still probably be terrible. Plus, his "name brand" typically drives his draft position up way higher than it should be. He's garbage for FF purposes.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

On a per game basis Eli doesn't look nearly as good. Roethlisberger for example has been something like 1.5 ppg better over their careers. But Roeth has missed games and Eli hasn't.

Manning is more similar to Cutler and Schaub than the guys he's usually compared to.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

The Giants want Eli Manning to complete 70 percent of his passes this season.

It's a barrier that's been breached only seven times in league history, most recently by Alex Smith in 2012 (who was benched). It's not even a vaguely realistic goal for a career 58.5 percent passer (an abysmal 57.5 in 2013), but shows just how serious the G-Men are about remaking their passing attack. Gone are long-developing downfield shots, and in are high-percentage quick passes.

Source: ESPN New York

Jul 28 - 1:43 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Eli Manning completed 6-of-7 passes for 43 yards in the Hall of Fame game against the Bills.

As expected, the Giants primarily used three-receiver sets and asked Eli to get rid of the football quickly. His most productive passes were screens to Rashad Jennings. Otherwise, New York's pass protection was troubling. Manning was sack-fumbled by Bills DT Kyle Williams in the first quarter, and wound up playing three series. The only passes Manning completed to wide receivers went to No. 4 wideout Jerrel Jernigan, who is filling in for Odell Beckham (hamstring). The Giants need to get their line fixed in a hurry.

Aug 3 - 9:11 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Eli Manning completed just 1-of-7 passes for six yards in the Giants' third preseason game against the Colts on Saturday.

Manning has steadily gotten worse as the preseason rolls on. New OC Ben McAdoo is being as vanilla as it gets with his play-calling, but the Giants' first-team passing offense has been downright pathetic. Eli is now 7-of-16 passing for 49 yards (3.1 YPA) through three preseason games. He's also been sacked three times. Eli has been talked up as a potential bounce-back candidate, but we've been given no reason to take it seriously at this point in time.

Aug 16 - 8:29 PM

 

[UKColt]

They were terrible tonight against a Colts D that isn't exactly a league leader.

 

[cstu]

If you didn't know who this guy was you'd be wondering when he was getting cut.

 

[steveski]

Any good looking QB prospects in the 2015 draft?

 

[Yenrub]

Any good looking QB prospects in the 2015 draft?

Jameis Winston?

 

[steveski]

Any good looking QB prospects in the 2015 draft?

Jameis Winston?

Doesn't seem like a Giant. Appears to have questionable character.

 

[Yenrub]

Any good looking QB prospects in the 2015 draft?

Jameis Winston?

Doesn't seem like a Giant. Appears to have questionable character.

I agree with that but if Eli keeps looking has that last few preseason games all of Giants fans will be begging for Jameis

Plus he can't be worse than LT

 

[RushHour]

Eli is just straight garbage. No idea why anyone would draft him. Take a shot on Geno instead.

 

[Faust]

Manning, Coughlin frustrated by offense:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-giants/post/_/id/38024/manning-coughlin-frustrated-by-offense

 

[oswizzle]

Manning has no Confidence right now... He needs to "Cut that Meat" and order the Double Peyton from PAPA J

 

[ffguru56]

No relevance to others but I'm elated I traded him two years ago in my dynasty league, along with Steve Johnson, for the 2nd overall pick....which landed me Andrew Luck.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Eli Manning - QB - Giants

Coach Tom Coughlin expressed concern Sunday that the Giants' offense could remain a work in progress into September.

"I dont know that theres any way to put it but that," Coughlin conceded. The Giants are trying to adjust to new OC Ben McAdoo's offense with shoddy line play and a quarterback in Eli Manning who's spent his entire career in a vertical attack. McAdoo is a quick-hitting West Coast mind. The Giants have a cakewalk early-season schedule. Despite their preseason struggles, we wouldn't be surprised if the offense clicks earlier than Coughlin expects.

Source: Ebenezer Samuel on Twitter

Aug 17 - 4:39 PM

 

[Archer]

they look awful, that's for sure. (giants offense)

 

[lod01]

There was talk of them possibly cutting Ryan Nassib. They should cut Gomer. Dude totally sucks.

 

[Judge Smails]

He's become an excuse filled, exceptionally bad QB. Unbelievably poor decisions.

 

[steveski]

NY fans aren't the most forgiving. If he has another year like last year then the media/fans will be calling for him to leave...as well as Coughlin.

 

[Anarchy99]

Who would have thought that Mark Sanchez would look 1000 times better than Eli so far this preseason?

 

[Faust]

NY Giants QB Eli Manning admits it could take all season to master Ben McAdoo’s West Coast offense:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/eli-manning-admits-season-learn-giants-new-offense-article-1.1921719

 

[Bri]

They put the work in with their O-line and I applaud their effort, but I'm not a fan of the result.
For me, this was what I needed to believe in Eli. He's just plain terrible under pressure often; it weighs on him and he makes the dopiest mistakes. Under pressure here N there, he's fine, but when it's all game long he's awful.

The offense, the struggling backup WR or injured rookie or lack of TE....none of that will matter if he doesn't have time.

If they block well in a few games, I'll jump back on board and if he's behind a quality OL next year I will too, but he has to have one.

 

[SacramentoBob]

All this and the Giants are undefeated in preseason.

 

[cstu]

All this and the Giants are undefeated in preseason.

When is their preseason Super Bowl parade?

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Grabbed him as my #3 QB in a start-2 QB league. Thinking of cutting him for Flacco or McCown.

 

[matuski]

I've always thought Eli was the type of guy to push all in with AJ-offsuit and think he's making a good play when he does.

If he won with it, it was a good play.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I've always thought Eli was the type of guy to push all in with AJ-offsuit and think he's making a good play when he does.

And much like AJ offsuit, Eli is mediocre at best. Honestly, to answer the OP, I'm not so sure even Eli believes anymore.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Dan Graziano reported on SportsCenter that there's concern over how much Eli Manning is buying into OC Ben McAdoo's offense.

The Giants were "hoping Eli would be further along than he is," according to Graziano, and Manning is "still having issues with the footwork and timing aspects" of McAdoo's system. It's been a carryover from last year when Manning threw a league-high 27 interceptions. McAdoo was brought in to install a West Coast style that allows Manning to make quick passes, but the Giants are still having issues with protection. Manning was 2-for-9 for 20 yards when under pressure in Monday night's loss. To this point, he hasn't dispelled his regression concerns. The Giants' best offensive lineman, Geoff Schwartz (toe, I.R) isn't eligible to return until Week 9.

Sep 10 - 1:14 PM

 

[Bri]

Under pressure 31% of his passes in a timing based quick passing offense is yuck.

Eli stinks without a good Oline. He could go to any team with a good line and play well, maybe better than their starter, but put him under pressure and he folds. He's "this much" better than Romo under pressure

 

[MCguidance]

Rotoworld:

The Giants want Eli Manning to complete 70 percent of his passes this season.

It's a barrier that's been breached only seven times in league history, most recently by Alex Smith in 2012 (who was benched). It's not even a vaguely realistic goal for a career 58.5 percent passer (an abysmal 57.5 in 2013), but shows just how serious the G-Men are about remaking their passing attack. Gone are long-developing downfield shots, and in are high-percentage quick passes.

Source: ESPN New York

Jul 28 - 1:43 PM

Is this any more ridiculous than it is right now? I mean, Eli clearly does not look comfortable. Ridiculous to even set a goal like that.

 

[Faust]

Eli Manning has 'no doubts' in himself:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-giants/post/_/id/38655/eli-manning-has-no-doubts-in-himself

 

[Faust]

Arians: Eli will need weeks to learn Giants' new offense

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000392914/article/arians-eli-will-need-weeks-to-learn-giants-new-offense

 

[Gr00vus]

The only shred of hope I hold onto is his very nice strength of schedule.

 

[Bri]

espn quote "The Giants' offensive line managed to look even worse than expected. Only two sacks allowed, but Eli Manning threw early repeatedly owing to pressure. On a third-and-6 sack, Jersey/A had six to block four, yet a Lions defender came through untouched. On a third-and-10, left tackle Will Beatty went low to cut block Ziggy Ansah, who leapt over him and pressured Manning to throw the ball away. Tackles cut-block on screens and quick slants, not on dropback pocket passes! This wasn't just being outperformed, this was poor fundamentals."

 

[Winning IS Everything]

He was dropped in our 10 team, 10 player keeper league where each team must roster 3 QB's...... No one seems to be in a rush to pick him up either..........