Eli Manning.....! (1 Viewer)

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Eli Manning is one underrated QB in my books.

Eli takes so much flack for being such a young QB. I think it is due to the spotlight in NY and because he is the little brother of one of the best QB's of all time. Much of it is undeserved. I know he hasn't been perfect but I did a little research and here is what I came up with.

Manning at 26 years of age has done something that many active QB's in the NFL have struggled to do for their careers. Manning although fighting some accuracy problems has thrown for 24 TD's in an NFL season at least 2 times in his career.

Let us look at some of the active QB's who either fit this list or not.

Not on the list

Kitna- Nope Only once in 9 years in the NFL has he thrown for 24 TD's and that was 26 in 2003. And last year although he threw for 4000 yards he only had 21 TD's.

Bulger- A great QB has done it once in his career last year where he threw for only 24.

C. Pennignton- no his highest is 22

D. Carr-lol highest is 16

S. McNair- only once in 12 years in the league and it was 24 on the nose.

P. Rivers-22 in his first year as the starter (I think LT had something to do with that).

B. Roethlisiberger- 18 is his highest

J.P Losman- 19 is highest

R. Grossman-nope 23 is highest

M. Vick- nope

J. Plummer-nope only 1 time

M. Brunel- NOT even 1 time

On the List

P. Manning- yes 9 consececutive years. Boy is he good.

D. Brees- yes 3 times the last 3 years although 27 is his highest.

B. Favre- yes 9 times

C. Palmer- yes 2 times

T. Brady- yes 5 times

B. Johnson-twice in 15 years

J. Delhomme- only twice but he is 7 years older than Manning

M. Hasselback- only 2 times with 26 being his highest

D. McNabb- only 2 times.

T. Green- Only 3 times

J. Garcia- only 2 times

E. Manning has already done it 2 times in back to back seasons and remember he is only 26.

I think Eli takes to much flack. Has he been perfect? No, but he has been pretty darn good.

I think Eli proves this year that he is one of the best young QB's in the game.

 

[AnonymousBob]

24 seems a rather convenient number...

 

[Despyzer]

24 seems a rather convenient number...

... and TDs thrown is a rather arbitrary stat. Care to throw a comparison of completion percentage and TD/INT ratio into that mix?

 

[kensat30]

In a couple years with Steve Smith at WR#2, I think he will be great. This season with Toomer at WR#2, I think he will be average.

 

[AnonymousBob]

In a couple years with Steve Smith at WR#2, I think he will be great. This season with Toomer at WR#2, I think he will be average.

He finished as the 12th best qb last season (though a pathetic 19th best on a ppg basis).

 

[Despyzer]

In a couple years with Steve Smith at WR#2, I think he will be great. This season with Toomer at WR#2, I think he will be average.

He finished as the 12th best qb last season (though a pathetic 19th best on a ppg basis).

The OP is right then. He is underrated. I didn't think he was that good. My friend who is a Giants fan would be SHOCKED! He constantly tells me that Eli is the worst starter in the league - bar none.

 

[JayMan]

I think we're dealing with FF love/hate here that goes along with expectations...

Prior to the '06 season - everyone had in mind the good first season that Eli had (FF wise) with over 3700/24 while being only 25 (not to mention the Payton comparisons)... and had immense expectations for him in '06...

'06 passed... tough season for the sophomore - regression on many accounts (not only FF wise) but NFL QB caliber wise - poor decisions / leadership issues...

Prior to the '07 season - those that were snake biten by Manning are promising not to have him on any of their teams this year...

With that in mind, I think that one can think about 'stealing' Eli this year... especially if your league doesn't penalize for Ints... he's still learning the ropes of being an NFL QB / he has a good supporting cast / he will have to toss it up often / he's good for 1.5TDs per game...

+---------------------------------------+-----------------+				 |			  Passing				  |	 Rushing	 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT	YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| 2004 nyg |   9 |	95   197  48.2  1043   5.3   6   9 |	 6	35   0 || 2005 nyg |  16 |   294   557  52.8  3762   6.8  24  17 |	29	80   1 || 2006 nyg |  16 |   301   522  57.7  3244   6.2  24  18 |	25	21   0 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+|  TOTAL   |  41 |   690  1276  54.1  8049   6.3  54  44 |	60   136   1 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

 

[CA_7]

In a couple years with Steve Smith at WR#2, I think he will be great. This season with Toomer at WR#2, I think he will be average.

Not too mention a 33 year old Toomer coming off an ACL tear. As a Giants fan I am worried about Eli. He didn't seem to demonstrate any leadership and lacks the emotion to be an NFL QB right now. He seems like Rex Grossman with a litle more zip on the ball; some times he seems to just chuck the ball up and hope for the best. Eli is just lucky he has Plaxico down field battling CBs 4-5 inches shorter than him.And don't get me started on the running game. I love Jacobs but am curious to see if he can carry the load, not a big Droughns fan and neither is close to Tiki....

 

[Despyzer]

As a Giants fan I am worried about Eli. He didn't seem to demonstrate any leadership and lacks the emotion to be an NFL QB right now. He seems like Rex Grossman with a litle more zip on the ball; some times he seems to just chuck the ball up and hope for the best. Eli is just lucky he has Plaxico down field battling CBs 4-5 inches shorter than him.

This is the same kind of stuff my friend who is a Giants fan says. He even claims that he has seen Eli turn his head away from the play before he throws.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

As a Giants fan I am worried about Eli. He didn't seem to demonstrate any leadership and lacks the emotion to be an NFL QB right now. He seems like Rex Grossman with a litle more zip on the ball; some times he seems to just chuck the ball up and hope for the best. Eli is just lucky he has Plaxico down field battling CBs 4-5 inches shorter than him.

This is the same kind of stuff my friend who is a Giants fan says. He even claims that he has seen Eli turn his head away from the play before he throws.

I love Plax but he's not a legit #1 WR (hopefully taking part in the off-season program will get him there). He flaked out too often last year, giving up on plays, making the wrong reads etc. Also consider that after Toomer went down the WRs behind Plax were Tim Carter and David Tyree... So Eli was essentially working with a #2, #5 and #6 for the second half.

Factor in John Hufnagle's horrific play-calling and it becomes pretty clear that a lot of the issues with Eli last season were not of his own making.

 

[RC94]

Eli has been a better fantasy QB than NFL QB, largely due to lack of leadership and accuracy, both of which aren't as important as yards and TDs to fantasy players. A lot of Giants fans are more down on him than other fans because of this. Another big reason Giants fans are down on him is due to the compensation given to SD in the trade that landed him in NY. Obviously that trade turned out to be horrible for the Giants. There are other reasons for his lower-than-expected NFL play, such as mediocre offensive line play and mediocre WRs, some of whom refuse to practice with Eli during the off-season. Overall, getting Eli hasn't turned out to be what some expected, which was essentially getting Peyton Manning part 2. Those expectations were probably unrealistic, but that never stopped anyone before.

 

[CA_7]

I love Plax but he's not a legit #1 WR (hopefully taking part in the off-season program will get him there). He flaked out too often last year, giving up on plays, making the wrong reads etc.

Agreed. About the only positive thing I can think of about Plax is his ability to catch the jump ball 40-50 yards down field.Right now, the Giants' two best WRs are Plax and Shockey and their attitudes have a lot to be desired. Nice to hear that Shockey is going to work out earlier with Eli this year.

 

[JBTV]

Eli is an interesting guy this offseason, because he really seems like he could go either way. He could turn the corner and become a top 10 QB, and it really wouldn't be that shocking, considering his age, skill level, and pedigree. But he could also completely regress and play his way out of a job and I don't think it would be all that shocking either, considering some of what we've seen out of him.

I think his fantasy stock depends on where you can get him. If your leaguemates have soured on him and you can get him in the later rounds in the 15-20th QB taken range, he could be a pretty good value as a QB2. But I get the feeling that someone's probably going to end up reaching for him a round or 2 too early, at around the 10-15th QB taken.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Underrated?? Don't think so.

2006-07

-QB Rating among starting QBs: 18th

-4th highest amount of INTS in the league

2005-06

-QB Rating among starting QBs: 22nd

-2nd highest amount of INTS in the league

-NUMBER OF PLAYOFF WINS: ZERO

 

[Assani Fisher]

As a Giants fan I am worried about Eli. He didn't seem to demonstrate any leadership and lacks the emotion to be an NFL QB right now. He seems like Rex Grossman with a litle more zip on the ball; some times he seems to just chuck the ball up and hope for the best. Eli is just lucky he has Plaxico down field battling CBs 4-5 inches shorter than him.

This is the same kind of stuff my friend who is a Giants fan says. He even claims that he has seen Eli turn his head away from the play before he throws.

I love Plax but he's not a legit #1 WR (hopefully taking part in the off-season program will get him there). He flaked out too often last year, giving up on plays, making the wrong reads etc. Also consider that after Toomer went down the WRs behind Plax were Tim Carter and David Tyree... So Eli was essentially working with a #2, #5 and #6 for the second half.

Factor in John Hufnagle's horrific play-calling and it becomes pretty clear that a lot of the issues with Eli last season were not of his own making.

Plaxico would be one of the best #2s in the league and there are quite a few #1s worse than him, so I don't even know if I agree with you on that. Even still, you conveniently forget to mention that he had a superstar TE and one of the best pass catching RBs in the league. Using his "lack" of surrounding talent as an excuse is a weak argument imo.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Underrated?? Don't think so.

2006-07

-QB Rating among starting QBs: 18th

-4th highest amount of INTS in the league

2005-06

-QB Rating among starting QBs: 22nd

-2nd highest amount of INTS in the league

-NUMBER OF PLAYOFF WINS: ZERO

From the OP, to the guy I quoted in my post above, to this post here....this entire thread is filled with people only posting SOME stats to try to prove their point. Seriously either post all his stats or don't bother posting any. Posting 1/2 the story to try to make your point look stronger is very disingenuous imo.

 

[bcr8f]

Eli put up 6 and 9 points in the playoffs for me last year. He stinks.

 

[Chase Stuart]

As part of an article I hope to release soon....

Manning ranked 24th in adjusted fantasy points (for SOS) per adjusted game (to deal with partial games), minimum 8 games. That's a mouthful, but it means that when Manning was on the field and after adjusting for level of competition, he was in the bottom tier of fantasy QBs in the league. (Stuff like supporting cast and leadership skills are excluded.)

 

[H.K.]

Eli Manning has rushed for more yards in three seasons than Dan Marino did in his entire career.

 

[Banger]

As part of an article I hope to release soon....Manning ranked 24th in adjusted fantasy points (for SOS) per adjusted game (to deal with partial games), minimum 8 games. That's a mouthful, but it means that when Manning was on the field and after adjusting for level of competition, he was in the bottom tier of fantasy QBs in the league. (Stuff like supporting cast and leadership skills are excluded.)

If I recall Eli had a good year the prior year but benefitted greatly due to a very good SOS and when his stats were adjusted it showed he was a below average qb. That article really opened my eyes about the QB position in general and how few difference makers there are and avoided him last year based partly on that article. Regarding Eli this year, like others have said I think he could go either way but I tend to think it may be a down year for him and the Giants this year. Tiki was a huge crutch the last few years and his loss along with a average/below average line could make for a very long year for the Giant faithful. He really needs to break that awful habit of getting that deer in the headlights look and chucking the ball up for grabs when blitzed and learn to throw the ball out of bounds/take the sack. I don't see 24 td's this year though.

 

[JayMan]

As part of an article I hope to release soon....

Manning ranked 24th in adjusted fantasy points (for SOS) per adjusted game (to deal with partial games), minimum 8 games. That's a mouthful, but it means that when Manning was on the field and after adjusting for level of competition, he was in the bottom tier of fantasy QBs in the league. (Stuff like supporting cast and leadership skills are excluded.)

That's very interesting Chase (and I'm not disputing it - since I can't back up the numbers)... I'm just wondering because, IIRC the Giants had one of the toughest SOS last year and FBG scoring doesn't acount for Ints (his FF weakness) and Eli (with 24TDs) he finished 19th in PPG... I'm probably missing the point here since we're talking about FPts/G and he played the whole season while others (with at least 8 games) probably have played alot better... but aren't we banking on him playing the whole season anyway? (if you're talking about him being your QB1 and not going QBBC obvisouly!)

 

[dparker713]

Hey, I think Eli is a crap shoot, but his last season has a distinct dividing line. The game Toomer got hurt. The 8th game of the season for the Giants.

CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD Games 1-8 160 261 1851 61.3 7.09 50 15 9 17.0 87.5 11 3 0.3 9 0 Games 9-16 141 261 1393 54.0 5.34 55 9 9 8.0 66.5 14 18 1.3 9 0 Now, admittedly he had a great first month that skews these a bit, but in games 9 and 10 you see an immediate drop off. It also doesnt help that the following week they lost Petitgout.

 

[Jeff19658]

IMO Eli is over rated. This will be his make it or break it year I think. And I think he will break it. Dont see him as a starting QB in 3 years. Maybe this is be cause he was one of my QB the last couple years and he sucked for me. So I have bad feels against him anyway. But I dont see anything that will make me think he will be any better in the years to come. If Giants running game suffers this year with out Barber ( I dont think it will) but if it does, Manning is in for a long year and IMO will be benched.

 

[videoguy505]

He is a QB2, useful only for spot starts vs a good matchup, only. I hardly see him as worth a QB1 selection and don't see him as any sort of steal since he should be used, at most, 4 games during the season.

 

[Banger]

If Giants running game suffers this year with out Barber ( I dont think it will) but if it does, Manning is in for a long year and IMO will be benched.

Benched for who? Lorenzen? That won't happen. The Giants have no choice but to ride Manning for the forseeable future. Also, I'm not sure why you think the running game won't suffer after losing a borderline HOF'er that finished 7th among rb's despite having on 5 tds (2100+ yards). Their line is not good, Droughns is a below avg starting back and Jacobs is unproven.

 

[DanFouts]

Rivers > Big Ben>>>CryBaby Manning

 

[Jeff19658]

If Giants running game suffers this year with out Barber ( I dont think it will) but if it does, Manning is in for a long year and IMO will be benched.

Benched for who? Lorenzen? That won't happen. The Giants have no choice but to ride Manning for the forseeable future. Also, I'm not sure why you think the running game won't suffer after losing a borderline HOF'er that finished 7th among rb's despite having on 5 tds (2100+ yards). Their line is not good, Droughns is a below avg starting back and Jacobs is unproven.

Your right there is not many options at back up QB at all , but I think with Coughlins relationship with Eli he wont put up with another year like last. I could be off base here and this is just what I think. Also..your right... Jacobs is unproven but I like his up side and the running may take a slight hit, but I dont think it is going to be terrible. Jacobs showed signs last year he could be a good back if given the chance to see more carries. If you are right and the running game will suffer. Then look out Eli and darn glad he is not on my team again this year.

 

[BGP]

The Giants appear to be on the Cleveland Browns trajectory circa 1999-2006.

1. Draft a franchise QB high.

2. Start drafting lots of WRs high.

3. Don't seriously address a poor OL with high picks - no pipeline of talent coming in.

Round 2 the last two years they grabbed WRs Sinorice Moss and Steve Smith. And that's ok because, after all, who needs to protect the franchise QB? Well, one would expect that without any protection, Eli Manning won't consistently find those second-round WRs down the field. Plus, having to take more hits, more sacks, and more pressure early in his career leads to Eli Manning developing bad habits - bad habits that can stay with him even after you give him a quality OL. Bad habits like, I dunno, a deer-in-the-headlights look when the rush comes because he's getting his brains beat in all day, or turning his head away from the play before he throws, usually learned from taking lots of sacks - his instinct is to worry about how his ### is gonna hit the turf more than making the completion.

That said, even the state of the OL his numbers are decent. Might've been a stud on the right team. I could only imagine what he would have accomplished behind San Diego's OL.

 

[Banger]

That said, even the state of the OL his numbers are decent. Might've been a stud on the right team. I could only imagine what he would have accomplished behind San Diego's OL.

aaahhh what could have been if only the Chargers were good enough....

 

[mbuehner]

You're comparing him to a lot of guys that have had injury problems. Eli=compiler. Lets talk about TDs per start- he cant hold McNabb or Hasselbecks jock just yet.

Without Tiki moving the chains for him I dont see a lot of success. I agree its not fair to judge him against some of these other guys that have Steve Smith and Chad Johnson to throw to.

 

[phthalatemagic]

In a couple years with Steve Smith at WR#2, I think he will be great. This season with Toomer at WR#2, I think he will be average.

He finished as the 12th best qb last season (though a pathetic 19th best on a ppg basis).

So he finished the worst possible starting QB in a start 1 QB league? That's not enticing.

 

[JayMan]

You're comparing him to a lot of guys that have had injury problems. Eli=compiler. Lets talk about TDs per start- he cant hold McNabb or Hasselbecks jock just yet. Without Tiki moving the chains for him I dont see a lot of success. I agree its not fair to judge him against some of these other guys that have Steve Smith and Chad Johnson to throw to.

Correct... without getting into details, using FBG scoring, Eli ranked 19th last year in PPG while McNabb and Hasselbeck were 1st and 15th respectively...Like I said in a previous post... I think alot of FF players are frustrated from his drawback last year because they had so much expectations for him: first season he had 24TDs / Giants sold the bank for him / he's Peyton brother (thus, will be his equal in the future) / had a tremendous supporting cast (Barber, Burress, Toomer, Shockey)... and he bombed (mostly NFL QB wise) but also FF wise if you had 4000/35 expectations... The pendelum swung completely from last offseason to this one... (lots of owners won't want him on their team because they were snake biten last year)... and you might be able to get him cheap, if you play it right...

 

[nygiants56]

In a couple years with Steve Smith at WR#2, I think he will be great. This season with Toomer at WR#2, I think he will be average.

Not too mention a 33 year old Toomer coming off an ACL tear. As a Giants fan I am worried about Eli. He didn't seem to demonstrate any leadership and lacks the emotion to be an NFL QB right now. He seems like Rex Grossman with a litle more zip on the ball; some times he seems to just chuck the ball up and hope for the best. Eli is just lucky he has Plaxico down field battling CBs 4-5 inches shorter than him.And don't get me started on the running game. I love Jacobs but am curious to see if he can carry the load, not a big Droughns fan and neither is close to Tiki....

Eli is going to be a good QB, but never will be a great QB..his comp % is low. I'd like to see his QB rating,can't be all the good,either..We all bash Shockey and Plax for dropping passes, but really its not their fault ; Eli can't hit the ocean with a beach ball..without Tiki, Eli will take a big step BACKWARDS this season...he could approach 20 ints..Tiki used to keep defenses honest, but now Droughns and Jacobs are carrying the rock, and I'm beginning to see plenty of 8 man fronts and blind side blitzes.add to this, the new offense that Gilbride wants to run, i.e., chuck-n-duck , and we've got a serious recipe for disaster here at the Meadowlands.I'm afraid the Giants dearly overpaid for Eli Manning, and we cannot dump him because of the price tag..we're stuck with him for a long time..

 

[dparker713]

Your right there is not many options at back up QB at all , but I think with Coughlins relationship with Eli he wont put up with another year like last. I could be off base here and this is just what I think.

Coughlin goes before Eli sits.

 

[FavreCo]

Put on a Giants uniform, go out there and try and complete a pass to Tim Carter. Your stats would suffer too.

 

[Banger]

Put on a Giants uniform, go out there and try and complete a pass to Tim Carter. Your stats would suffer too.

I'd say Plax, Tiki, and Shockey are decent targets, no? Top 15 wr, top 5 te and top 5 rb. MUCH better options than a lot teams.

 

[FavreCo]

Put on a Giants uniform, go out there and try and complete a pass to Tim Carter. Your stats would suffer too.

I'd say Plax, Tiki, and Shockey are decent targets, no? Top 15 wr, top 5 te and top 5 rb. MUCH better options than a lot teams.

And Tim Carter. Plax gets doubled, roll coverage towards Shockey. Leave your WORST defender on Carter and game over. The POS can't even start for Cleveland and they suck, yet he was starting when Toomer went down. That coincides with Eli's drop in production.

 

[Banger]

Put on a Giants uniform, go out there and try and complete a pass to Tim Carter. Your stats would suffer too.

I'd say Plax, Tiki, and Shockey are decent targets, no? Top 15 wr, top 5 te and top 5 rb. MUCH better options than a lot teams.

And Tim Carter. Plax gets doubled, roll coverage towards Shockey. Leave your WORST defender on Carter and game over. The POS can't even start for Cleveland and they suck, yet he was starting when Toomer went down. That coincides with Eli's drop in production.

I think it may be more of a coincidence than anything and has more to do with their o-line problems. It's not as if Toomer was his goto wr. In the 4 games prior to him going down Toomer had 2-18, 3-26, 1-12 and 2-16. I'm sure his loss hurt the team but losing your 4th wr option shouldn't cause your season to go in the toilet. Not if you're a decent QB at least.

 

[FavreCo]

I think it may be more of a coincidence than anything, it's not as if Toomer was his goto wr. In the 4 games prior to him going down Toomer had 2-18, 3-26, 1-12 and 2-16. I'm sure his loss hurt the team but losing your 4th wr option shouldn't cause your season to go in the toilet. Not if you're a decent QB at least.

Um...no. Tim Carter.

 

[Banger]

I think it may be more of a coincidence than anything, it's not as if Toomer was his goto wr. In the 4 games prior to him going down Toomer had 2-18, 3-26, 1-12 and 2-16. I'm sure his loss hurt the team but losing your 4th wr option shouldn't cause your season to go in the toilet. Not if you're a decent QB at least.

Um...no. Tim Carter.

Ok, you've convinced me. Now that Carter is gone I'm predicting Eli as a top 5 QB

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I really wasn't trying to skew any statsor misinform anyone. I was just pointing out a stat that Eli has excelled in to clearly show that at the age of 26 he takes a lot of flack from people coninuoulsy pointing to all the negatives of Eli, when there has been some positives.

If his last name wasn't Manning and he wasn't playing in NY, I don't think many as many people would be calling him a terrible QB. He would/should be considered as a young QB who has a few things to work on to get better, not he is a terrible QB that will be out of the league....etc.....etc.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I really wasn't trying to skew any statsor misinform anyone. I was just pointing out a stat that Eli has excelled in to clearly show that at the age of 26 he takes a lot of flack from people coninuoulsy pointing to all the negatives of Eli, when there has been some positives.If his last name wasn't Manning and he wasn't playing in NY, I don't think many as many people would be calling him a terrible QB. He would/should be considered as a young QB who has a few things to work on to get better, not he is a terrible QB that will be out of the league....etc.....etc.

Disregard Fantasy and how do you rank the NFL QBs? Where would Eli Manning fall?I wouldn't even put him in the top 15.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

If I am a GM and am looking at this year and to the future it would look something like this......

Tier 1

1) Manning

2) Brady

3) Palmer

Tier 2

4) Brees- will jump to tier 1 with another solid season

5) Hasselback

6) McNabb- if he is injured again this year he is off this list

7) Bulger

Tier 3 *8-14 can go anyway.

8) Rivers- he showed me a lot last year

9) Romo

10) Eli

11) Leinart

12) Young

13) Cutler

14) Roethlisberger

15) Vick- could fall of this radar entirely with another below average year.

Tier 4

16) Kitna could be in 24 slot

17) Pennignton

18) Leftwich

19) Delhomme

20) J.P Losman

21) A. Smith

22) R. Grossman

23) J. Campbell

24) Favre, Green, McNair, Garcia are going to retire within a year or 2. Kept them off the list.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

If I am a GM and am looking at this year and to the future it would look something like this......Tier 3 *8-14 can go anyway.8) Rivers- he showed me a lot last year9) Romo10) Eli11) Leinart12) Young13) Cutler 14) Roethlisberger15) Vick- could fall of this radar entirely with another below average year.

So you admit that having Eli Manning as the 14th QB is fine, but yet you think that he is underrated?I don't think many people think he is that worse off than what you have him ranked, so I fail to see how you think he is underrated.

 

[AnonymousBob]

In a couple years with Steve Smith at WR#2, I think he will be great. This season with Toomer at WR#2, I think he will be average.

He finished as the 12th best qb last season (though a pathetic 19th best on a ppg basis).

So he finished the worst possible starting QB in a start 1 QB league? That's not enticing.

No, it's not. I would not want him as my starter. If I stacked up at other positions AND Eli has a great SOS this season then I MIGHT consider him as part of a QBBC. That's it. Really, he's nothing more than backup material. It's not often backups present tremendous value.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

If I am a GM and am looking at this year and to the future it would look something like this......Tier 3 *8-14 can go anyway.8) Rivers- he showed me a lot last year9) Romo10) Eli11) Leinart12) Young13) Cutler 14) Roethlisberger15) Vick- could fall of this radar entirely with another below average year.

So you admit that having Eli Manning as the 14th QB is fine, but yet you think that he is underrated?I don't think many people think he is that worse off than what you have him ranked, so I fail to see how you think he is underrated.

A lot of people don't group him with Romo, Rivers, Roethlisberger the good young QB's when I feel he should be.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Carter Can Fly,

Where are you expecting him to finish the season per fantasy purposes?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Carter Can Fly,Where are you expecting him to finish the season per fantasy purposes?

I see him finishing in a qb 9-13 range with a legitamate shot of finishing higher.

 

[kensat30]

I don't see Eli falling so far in redrafts(QB15+) to be a value for where he finishes. I don't think he has top5 upside, considering what he has done the last couple years, and with the loss of TIki this year. I mean, maybe, maybe if his attempts increase so much that he can't help but put up numbers (Kitna), but I really don't see that happening. I would guess he finishes somewhere around QB10-12, but that doesn't have much value to me unless I can get him in the 10th+ round.

If anyone is being underrated, it's Plaxico Burress IMO. There's a guy you might find some value in. The guy has produced ever since he became a Giant, and people still don't want to call him a #1 WR. Lot of leftover dislike for the guy because he was a non-target on the Steeler's for so long. The guy puts up a LOT of big plays for a WR#2. 15+ ypc two years running, big TD numbers last year and big yardage numbers the year before. The guy has #1 overall WR potential, and that really can't be said for a lot of guys.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Carter Can Fly,Where are you expecting him to finish the season per fantasy purposes?

I see him finishing in a qb 9-13 range with a legitamate shot of finishing higher.

So you are expecting him to better last year's finish WITHOUT the Giants' focal point of the offense, Tiki Barber?Where exactly are you thinking Eli will improve?The Giants are losing what was probably a top 5 RB in the league who helped move the chains, keep defenses honest, and allowed Eli to stay on the field longer to amass more passing yards. Who is going to pick up Tiki's 60 receptions and ~500 receiving yards?Eli threw for 24 TDs last season, so I can't imagine you think he will improve in that area as that was in the top end of TDs thrown in the league. Not something that is easily improved upon.I think this thread is changing from Eli Manning is underrated, to Carter_Can_Fly has unreasonable expectations of Eli.I think a good comparison is to look at how Hasselbeck struggled last season without Alexander. You can't expect to take away the team's best player and focal point and other players not to feel the effect due to adapting defenses and lesser quality players around you.