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emmanuel sanders visits patriots. (1 Viewer)

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I know the patriots love bringing guys in to work out, and they have some cap room to work with, but does anyone see them offering him a contract greater than what the steelers would offer? Imho if the pats can get him for a 3rd it would be a steal.

 
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I heard that the Steelers are in cap hell, and that if the Pats offer him a serious contract, that the Steelers probably wouldn't match it and just take the 3rd.

 
From Rotoworld:

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5885/emmanuel-sanders

Restricted free agent Emmanuel Sanders is visiting the Patriots on Friday.

Power move. Even low-level restricted free agents rarely escape their tendering team, but the Steelers find themselves in a mess of a cap situation. Sanders is tendered at the original-round level, which means the Patriots would only have to surrender a third-round pick if they signed him to an offer sheet Pittsburgh couldn't match. The Pats — as you may have heard — have a ton of cap room and could offer a front-loaded deal Pittsburgh can't equal. Just 26 years old (on Sunday) with 94 catches in three seasons, Sanders would be worth a third-round gamble. He can play all three receiver spots, and has 4.4 wheels.

Mar 15 - 11:58 AM
 
I know the patriots love bringing guys in to work out, and they have some cap room to work with, but does anyone see them offering him a contract greater than what the steelers would offer? Imho if the pats can get him for a 3rd it would be a steal.
If the Pats do give him an offer, the Steelers cap situation is so bad they probably couldnt match it.
 
Didn't Sanders have drop/route-running/ injury troubles? Kind of a high- talent guy who didn't quite put it all together? That might not be the best fit for the Pats, whose offense is notoriously difficult to learn.

 
Didn't Sanders have drop/route-running/ injury troubles? Kind of a high- talent guy who didn't quite put it all together? That might not be the best fit for the Pats, whose offense is notoriously difficult to learn.
Sanders is a guy I loved up until this season. Got hurt in 2011, but before that, really seemed to be coming on, made some really tough catches and showed decent YAC ability. This past year, however, he did have a problem letting some easy throws get through him. I still really like his potential and would prefer the Steelers keep him, but if the Pats want him badly enough, it won't matter, the Steelers cannot match any front-loaded deal without cutting other players.In a normal year, I'd be screaming for Pitt to match, but with as many holes as they have, the extra $1.35M in cap space and the 3rd round pick might be enough compensation to sign one receiver and draft another. A Ramses Barden/Marquise Goodwin or Tavon Austin/Darrius Heyward-Bey combo (depending on how much $ and pick they want to spend) could give them an interesting group along with Antonio Brown, Burress, and Cotchery.
 
Didn't Sanders have drop/route-running/ injury troubles? Kind of a high- talent guy who didn't quite put it all together? That might not be the best fit for the Pats, whose offense is notoriously difficult to learn.
Definitely not route-running, he's a terrific route runner.
 
As a Sanders owner, I'd prefer he stay in Pittsburgh. He steps in as a starter with a chance to be the top target. If he can stay healthy, he'll cash in next year. In NE he'd be fourth or fifth option.

 
Didn't Sanders have drop/route-running/ injury troubles? Kind of a high- talent guy who didn't quite put it all together? That might not be the best fit for the Pats, whose offense is notoriously difficult to learn.
He had some knee, foot and shoulder problems the last couple years, but I have never bought the premise of players being injury prone. It hasn't concerned the Steelers that much in that he will be the #2 WR opening days unless NE takes him.
 
Didn't Sanders have drop/route-running/ injury troubles? Kind of a high- talent guy who didn't quite put it all together? That might not be the best fit for the Pats, whose offense is notoriously difficult to learn.
Sanders is a guy I loved up until this season. Got hurt in 2011, but before that, really seemed to be coming on, made some really tough catches and showed decent YAC ability. This past year, however, he did have a problem letting some easy throws get through him. I still really like his potential and would prefer the Steelers keep him, but if the Pats want him badly enough, it won't matter, the Steelers cannot match any front-loaded deal without cutting other players.In a normal year, I'd be screaming for Pitt to match, but with as many holes as they have, the extra $1.35M in cap space and the 3rd round pick might be enough compensation to sign one receiver and draft another. A Ramses Barden/Marquise Goodwin or Tavon Austin/Darrius Heyward-Bey combo (depending on how much $ and pick they want to spend) could give them an interesting group along with Antonio Brown, Burress, and Cotchery.
Yeah, I like him, too. I remember he had a good game against the Pats in '11. (I'm not a Pats fan, I just remember). As for your FA/draftee suggestions, I guess Bey can stretch the defense, though he can't do much else. Guy never gathers in too many of his targets. Go long, Darrius. Keep going. Keeep...going...
 
Didn't Sanders have drop/route-running/ injury troubles? Kind of a high- talent guy who didn't quite put it all together? That might not be the best fit for the Pats, whose offense is notoriously difficult to learn.
Definitely not route-running, he's a terrific route runner.
I meant watching Ben yell at him for running the wrong routes. Saw that a bunch of times last year and the year before. Perhaps it's just something my own head made too big a deal out of.
 
I know the patriots love bringing guys in to work out, and they have some cap room to work with, but does anyone see them offering him a contract greater than what the steelers would offer? Imho if the pats can get him for a 3rd it would be a steal.
The Patriots have cap room that the Steelers don't have, so if they view him as Lloyd's replacement I don't see the 3rd round pick to be that big of a deterrent. They could still sign him to a contract that is less than what the other WRs have gotten, and still be a good deal. They won't have to pay anywhere near Vincent Jackson or Wallace money, but could still get a good WR at a bargain price.Belichick doesn't seem to care much about how other teams feel about him, so I don't see him not making a deal that he feels will help the Patriots just because of an unwritten rule not to sign others' RFAs. If there's a team that would be considered most likely to sign someone else's RFAs, I think the Pats would be pretty high on the list.
 
Didn't Sanders have drop/route-running/ injury troubles? Kind of a high- talent guy who didn't quite put it all together? That might not be the best fit for the Pats, whose offense is notoriously difficult to learn.
Injuries have been his main issue, but other WR talent on the Steelers is part of it as well. Hard to get playing time when you have Wallace and Hines ahead of you, and Brown's emergence in 2011 when Sanders was hurt made it more difficult.With Wallace gone, Sanders is widely thought to be the starter opposite Brown this year.
 
I know the patriots love bringing guys in to work out, and they have some cap room to work with, but does anyone see them offering him a contract greater than what the steelers would offer? Imho if the pats can get him for a 3rd it would be a steal.
The Patriots have cap room that the Steelers don't have, so if they view him as Lloyd's replacement I don't see the 3rd round pick to be that big of a deterrent. They could still sign him to a contract that is less than what the other WRs have gotten, and still be a good deal. They won't have to pay anywhere near Vincent Jackson or Wallace money, but could still get a good WR at a bargain price.Belichick doesn't seem to care much about how other teams feel about him, so I don't see him not making a deal that he feels will help the Patriots just because of an unwritten rule not to sign others' RFAs. If there's a team that would be considered most likely to sign someone else's RFAs, I think the Pats would be pretty high on the list.
Lloyd has said he will redo his contract to stay with NE, so Sanders might not be a Lloyd replacement. They might sign him anyway.
 
Didn't Donald Jones just sign with NE yesterday? Where does he fit in? I really like Donald Jones talent felt he was not utilized properly in Buffalo. Like Amendola - the issue with him is health.

 
I know the patriots love bringing guys in to work out, and they have some cap room to work with, but does anyone see them offering him a contract greater than what the steelers would offer? Imho if the pats can get him for a 3rd it would be a steal.
The Patriots have cap room that the Steelers don't have, so if they view him as Lloyd's replacement I don't see the 3rd round pick to be that big of a deterrent. They could still sign him to a contract that is less than what the other WRs have gotten, and still be a good deal. They won't have to pay anywhere near Vincent Jackson or Wallace money, but could still get a good WR at a bargain price.Belichick doesn't seem to care much about how other teams feel about him, so I don't see him not making a deal that he feels will help the Patriots just because of an unwritten rule not to sign others' RFAs. If there's a team that would be considered most likely to sign someone else's RFAs, I think the Pats would be pretty high on the list.
Lloyd has said he will redo his contract to stay with NE, so Sanders might not be a Lloyd replacement. They might sign him anyway.
Bringing Sanders in for a workout in order to frighten Lloyd into taking a pay cut would be a pretty sly move.
 
Wow patriots reek of desperation
OK. I'll bite.Why is pursuing another young receiver with upside a desperation move? He saw his targets and playing time increase each year in PIT.
And since when are the PAtriots desperate in anything? Welker gone? Step right up Amendola. Just had a Pro bowl year in your contract year, but you're 29? Good luck playing for the big dollars with the Raiders. You want to hold out for more money? We'll take a crappy pick and call the next man up.
 
I know the patriots love bringing guys in to work out, and they have some cap room to work with, but does anyone see them offering him a contract greater than what the steelers would offer? Imho if the pats can get him for a 3rd it would be a steal.
The Patriots have cap room that the Steelers don't have, so if they view him as Lloyd's replacement I don't see the 3rd round pick to be that big of a deterrent. They could still sign him to a contract that is less than what the other WRs have gotten, and still be a good deal. They won't have to pay anywhere near Vincent Jackson or Wallace money, but could still get a good WR at a bargain price.Belichick doesn't seem to care much about how other teams feel about him, so I don't see him not making a deal that he feels will help the Patriots just because of an unwritten rule not to sign others' RFAs. If there's a team that would be considered most likely to sign someone else's RFAs, I think the Pats would be pretty high on the list.
Lloyd has said he will redo his contract to stay with NE, so Sanders might not be a Lloyd replacement. They might sign him anyway.
Bringing Sanders in for a workout in order to frighten Lloyd into taking a pay cut would be a pretty sly move.
Now we're talking. They just signed amendola and donald jones. Wouldnt surprise me if they did this to gain leverage on lloyds contract negotiations
 
Wow patriots reek of desperation
OK. I'll bite.Why is pursuing another young receiver with upside a desperation move? He saw his targets and playing time increase each year in PIT.
And since when are the PAtriots desperate in anything? Welker gone? Step right up Amendola. Just had a Pro bowl year in your contract year, but you're 29? Good luck playing for the big dollars with the Raiders. You want to hold out for more money? We'll take a crappy pick and call the next man up.
Lol ok step right up into a hit a break your glass jaw amendola.
 
I know the patriots love bringing guys in to work out, and they have some cap room to work with, but does anyone see them offering him a contract greater than what the steelers would offer? Imho if the pats can get him for a 3rd it would be a steal.
The Patriots have cap room that the Steelers don't have, so if they view him as Lloyd's replacement I don't see the 3rd round pick to be that big of a deterrent. They could still sign him to a contract that is less than what the other WRs have gotten, and still be a good deal. They won't have to pay anywhere near Vincent Jackson or Wallace money, but could still get a good WR at a bargain price.Belichick doesn't seem to care much about how other teams feel about him, so I don't see him not making a deal that he feels will help the Patriots just because of an unwritten rule not to sign others' RFAs. If there's a team that would be considered most likely to sign someone else's RFAs, I think the Pats would be pretty high on the list.
Lloyd has said he will redo his contract to stay with NE, so Sanders might not be a Lloyd replacement. They might sign him anyway.
Bringing Sanders in for a workout in order to frighten Lloyd into taking a pay cut would be a pretty sly move.
Now we're talking. They just signed amendola and donald jones. Wouldnt surprise me if they did this to gain leverage on lloyds contract negotiations
Donald Jones was a RFA too, right? ESPN has him listed as such. Also doesnt have him listed as being a Patsie.
 
I know the patriots love bringing guys in to work out, and they have some cap room to work with, but does anyone see them offering him a contract greater than what the steelers would offer? Imho if the pats can get him for a 3rd it would be a steal.
The Patriots have cap room that the Steelers don't have, so if they view him as Lloyd's replacement I don't see the 3rd round pick to be that big of a deterrent. They could still sign him to a contract that is less than what the other WRs have gotten, and still be a good deal. They won't have to pay anywhere near Vincent Jackson or Wallace money, but could still get a good WR at a bargain price.Belichick doesn't seem to care much about how other teams feel about him, so I don't see him not making a deal that he feels will help the Patriots just because of an unwritten rule not to sign others' RFAs. If there's a team that would be considered most likely to sign someone else's RFAs, I think the Pats would be pretty high on the list.
Lloyd has said he will redo his contract to stay with NE, so Sanders might not be a Lloyd replacement. They might sign him anyway.
Bringing Sanders in for a workout in order to frighten Lloyd into taking a pay cut would be a pretty sly move.
Now we're talking. They just signed amendola and donald jones. Wouldnt surprise me if they did this to gain leverage on lloyds contract negotiations
Donald Jones was a RFA too, right? ESPN has him listed as such. Also doesnt have him listed as being a Patsie.
BUF did not give a tender offer to Jones, so I believe that made him an UFA. He signed with NE for 3 years.
 
I know the patriots love bringing guys in to work out, and they have some cap room to work with, but does anyone see them offering him a contract greater than what the steelers would offer? Imho if the pats can get him for a 3rd it would be a steal.
The Patriots have cap room that the Steelers don't have, so if they view him as Lloyd's replacement I don't see the 3rd round pick to be that big of a deterrent. They could still sign him to a contract that is less than what the other WRs have gotten, and still be a good deal. They won't have to pay anywhere near Vincent Jackson or Wallace money, but could still get a good WR at a bargain price.Belichick doesn't seem to care much about how other teams feel about him, so I don't see him not making a deal that he feels will help the Patriots just because of an unwritten rule not to sign others' RFAs. If there's a team that would be considered most likely to sign someone else's RFAs, I think the Pats would be pretty high on the list.
Lloyd has said he will redo his contract to stay with NE, so Sanders might not be a Lloyd replacement. They might sign him anyway.
Bringing Sanders in for a workout in order to frighten Lloyd into taking a pay cut would be a pretty sly move.
Now we're talking. They just signed amendola and donald jones. Wouldnt surprise me if they did this to gain leverage on lloyds contract negotiations
Donald Jones was a RFA too, right? ESPN has him listed as such. Also doesnt have him listed as being a Patsie.
BUF did not give a tender offer to Jones, so I believe that made him an UFA. He signed with NE for 3 years.
Smart move by them then, Im assuming he came cheap.
 
Reportedly signed.

The Pittsburgh Steelers didn't re-sign wide receiver Mike Wallace in part because they knew they had Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders in place. But what if they lose Sanders?

Sanders signed an offer sheet with the New England Patriots after visiting the team on Friday, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported.

Restricted free agents like Sanders rarely change teams these days, but the Patriots used some of their salary-cap room to make a front-loaded offer, which Pittsburgh could find tough to match.

Terms of the offer were not disclosed, but the Steelers now have seven days to match it. If they choose not to, the Patriots would send a third-round draft pick in 2013 to the Steelers.

Sanders would join a rebuilt Patriots wide receiver group alongside new signees Danny Amendola and Donald Jones. Sanders' proven ability to get deep and would add some necessary speed to the team's wide receiver position.

New England's interest in Sanders certainly does not bode well for the future of Brandon Lloyd. The Patriots have to make a decision in the next week about whether to give Lloyd his roster bonus or cut him loose.

Sanders set career highs with 44 catches and 626 yards in 2012, starting seven games for the Steelers. He was slated to be a starter with the Steelers this season.
 
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to me, Sanders had every opportunity in the world to carve out a niche in Pittsburgh and failed. I don't think he has the heart or desire to be great in this league and that is a problem. I saw an interview with him a few years ago (I apologize for not sourcing) but the gist was that he was content with with being a #3 and just being on the team. He just doesn't have it. Really, he only had to beat out Brown who is just a guy in my book and he never did it. This move just continues to muddy the waters for the remaining NE WRs and their values.

 
to me, Sanders had every opportunity in the world to carve out a niche in Pittsburgh and failed. I don't think he has the heart or desire to be great in this league and that is a problem. I saw an interview with him a few years ago (I apologize for not sourcing) but the gist was that he was content with with being a #3 and just being on the team. He just doesn't have it. Really, he only had to beat out Brown who is just a guy in my book and he never did it. This move just continues to muddy the waters for the remaining NE WRs and their values.
You're not a very good talent evaluator.
 
I like Donald Jones in NE
He has always looked good playing against them. Amendola, Jones and either Sanders or Lloyd gives them a better overall WR corp than they had last year.
Looks like a bunch of bottom feeders/trash to me.
There's a bridge somewhere that wants you back underneath it. Please offer something substantive or refrain from posting. This just in. The Patriots ability to evaluate talent is about as well documented as your trolling ability. Back to your bridge...
 
to me, Sanders had every opportunity in the world to carve out a niche in Pittsburgh and failed. I don't think he has the heart or desire to be great in this league and that is a problem. I saw an interview with him a few years ago (I apologize for not sourcing) but the gist was that he was content with with being a #3 and just being on the team. He just doesn't have it. Really, he only had to beat out Brown who is just a guy in my book and he never did it. This move just continues to muddy the waters for the remaining NE WRs and their values.
Hard to make your mark behind Wallace/Brown and dealing with numerous injuries. Premature to say he was given "every opportunity" and failed. Disclaimer: Sanders was an offseason acquistion target for me and I picked him up in 3 leagues (including 2 startups) so I feel NE has validated my opinion of him.
 
to me, Sanders had every opportunity in the world to carve out a niche in Pittsburgh and failed. I don't think he has the heart or desire to be great in this league and that is a problem. I saw an interview with him a few years ago (I apologize for not sourcing) but the gist was that he was content with with being a #3 and just being on the team. He just doesn't have it. Really, he only had to beat out Brown who is just a guy in my book and he never did it. This move just continues to muddy the waters for the remaining NE WRs and their values.
You're not a very good talent evaluator.
maybe, but you can keep his 7 total TDs in the last 3 years. What do you like about him so much? Maybe the fact he can be blanketed by the most average DBs in the league? He is Jericho Cotchery. Nothing more
 
I can understand questioning his talent. The production has not been super high, there hasbeen injuries, but the magical pixie dust that NE brings to the table cant be ignored.

Brown, welker, lloyd.... On and on.

I have sanders on four or five dynasties, so I am still intrigued with his talent

 
Seriously? Those are some 2nd rate WRs they are signing. Now a 2nd rate WR with Brady will put up ok numbers but make no mistake, these guys are #2's on their best days. They scare no one.

 
Seriously? Those are some 2nd rate WRs they are signing. Now a 2nd rate WR with Brady will put up ok numbers but make no mistake, these guys are #2's on their best days. They scare no one.
And what exactly had Welker done before he went to NE?
 
I like Donald Jones in NE
He has always looked good playing against them. Amendola, Jones and either Sanders or Lloyd gives them a better overall WR corp than they had last year.
Looks like a bunch of bottom feeders/trash to me.
There's a bridge somewhere that wants you back underneath it. Please offer something substantive or refrain from posting. This just in. The Patriots ability to evaluate talent is about as well documented as your trolling ability. Back to your bridge...
The Patriots have had some success with receivers, but let's not forget Taylor Price (3rd), Brandon Tate (3rd), Chad Jackson (2nd)...and so on. "Finding" Randy Moss or Brandon Lloyd wasn't exactly talent evaluation, either.To me, it looks like the Patriots signing a fair amount of guys with potential and hoping a few stick. That's a low-quality WR corps even if they do sign Sanders, and it will be heavily reliant on the TEs and Lloyd.
 
All of these guys...Sanders, Jones, Lloyd, draft pick, whoever...will act as the #4 if not the #5 option in this offense.

Does anyone...um...get that?

KY

 
Seriously? Those are some 2nd rate WRs they are signing. Now a 2nd rate WR with Brady will put up ok numbers but make no mistake, these guys are #2's on their best days. They scare no one.
They may scare no one, but in recent years, has any of their receivers really scared anyone?Here is the Pats WR breakdown from the past 3 seasons and how many catches each player had:1 Wes Welker 3262 Deion Branch 1153 Brandon Lloyd 744 Julian Edelman 325 Brandon Tate 246 Chad Johnson 157 Randy Moss 98 Taylor Price 39 Tiquan Underwood 310 Matt Slater 111 Donte Stallworth 1Other than Welker, that's a pretty sorry group with some very average (or worse) production.But here's how the Pats ranked in terms of total points scored in that time . . .
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NEP	1588NOS	1392GBP	1381ATL	1235NYG	1217DET	1208SDC	1197HOU	1187DAL	1139DEN	1134BAL	1133PHI	1115SFO	1082CHI	1062OAK	1059CIN	1057SEA	1043PIT	1036IND	1035WAS	1026NYJ	1025TBB	1017TEN	1011MIN	1000BUF	999CAR	959MIA	890ARI	851JAC	851CLE	791KCC	789STL	781
Over the past 3 seasons, NE has scored 500 points more than 20 other teams. I wouldn't say that their WRs don't matter, but they have shown the ability to put up points in bunches even with fair to midland wide receivers.
 

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