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England becoming a Caliphate. US next (1 Viewer)

NCCommish said:
No sarcasm. I am an athiest personally. But I can't deny the possibilities that science provides for these mechanics. Now the possibilities are of course remote but can't be ruled out completely if we are going to be intellectually honest. Even if they do seem.to be getting metaphysical. If that's where the science leads us then it does.
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Good to hear NCC.  :thumbup:

I am agnostic.

Just as I am unable to prove the existence of God(s), etc.; I am equally unable to disprove. 

I am not "religious"; thus, my personal beliefs are what I must rely on to go further than that. And those beliefs allow for the benefit of religious/spiritual concepts that are framed in scientific clothes. Underneath, the bones may be the same, even if the flesh and cloth covering it may not be.

Therefore, I will not accept any creed, but I will always believe that there is a place for concepts such as covered here, regardless of what they are called or how they are advanced.

Similar to alchemy, and its role as a bridge between the spiritual and the scientific, with all of its errors...it is the edge of the understood...even if not known.

Does this make sense? :shrug:

 
Man of Constant Sorrow said:
No offense guys, but this is sounding a lot like modern alchemy. 

Now, I have no problem with that, but when we start talking about "create" and the transfer of consciousness, we are really on a line that straddles religion...even if it speaks the modern language of science.

Again, I am not critical of it at all; it's just that it may not be as far away from what some earlier posts deny.

Am I mis-reading sarcasm here?
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Well yeah.  This is why I said I place greater value in the reality that we know is true, or is true enough for it to be germane to our daily lives.  The weird world of alternate universes/simulations/"heaven" or anything else that you can dream up with QM giving it a non zero chance of happening is much less important to me.  Or at least that's what I meant to say, if I could be bothered to pay attention to what I wrote :wall:

 
Man of Constant Sorrow said:
Good to hear NCC.  :thumbup:

I am agnostic.

Just as I am unable to prove the existence of God(s), etc.; I am equally unable to disprove. 

I am not "religious"; thus, my personal beliefs are what I must rely on to go further than that. And those beliefs allow for the benefit of religious/spiritual concepts that are framed in scientific clothes. Underneath, the bones may be the same, even if the flesh and cloth covering it may not be.

Therefore, I will not accept any creed, but I will always believe that there is a place for concepts such as covered here, regardless of what they are called or how they are advanced.

Similar to alchemy, and its role as a bridge between the spiritual and the scientific, with all of its errors...it is the edge of the understood...even if not known.

Does this make sense? :shrug:
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Sure.

 
saintfool said:
those good-for-nothing Irish though? Salt of the earth. Keep those drunks coming. We need more of their kind around here.
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Dedicated only to leisure and laziness, this is a truly barbarous people. They depend on animals for their livelihood and they live like animals.

 
Man of Constant Sorrow said:
Good to hear NCC.  :thumbup:

I am agnostic.

Just as I am unable to prove the existence of God(s), etc.; I am equally unable to disprove. 

I am not "religious"; thus, my personal beliefs are what I must rely on to go further than that. And those beliefs allow for the benefit of religious/spiritual concepts that are framed in scientific clothes. Underneath, the bones may be the same, even if the flesh and cloth covering it may not be.

Therefore, I will not accept any creed, but I will always believe that there is a place for concepts such as covered here, regardless of what they are called or how they are advanced.

Similar to alchemy, and its role as a bridge between the spiritual and the scientific, with all of its errors...it is the edge of the understood...even if not known.

Does this make sense? :shrug:
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Since we are labeling ourselves, I'm ignostic.  It's like agnostic, but we just say "fuggit, man"

 
Dedfin said:
Well yeah.  This is why I said I place greater value in the reality that we know is true, or is true enough for it to be germane to our daily lives.  The weird world of alternate universes/simulations/"heaven" or anything else that you can dream up with QM giving it a non zero chance of happening is much less important to me.  Or at least that's what I meant to say, if I could be bothered to pay attention to what I wrote :wall:
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But the thing is just because you don't recognize it as a simulation doesn't mean it isn't. And if it is that definitely changes what you "know" is true.

Now personally I am not on the sim train. I think it adds a layer of complexity that is not unlike that added with a supreme being running everything. And the more complex an answer the less likely it is to be the right answer. But still we have to allow for that non-zero chance to keep ourselves honest in our thought process.

 
NCCommish said:
I remember when the Japanese were going to own the world, including the US. How'd that work out again?
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Was working out great. Until all the suicides.

On the plus side, they've moved on - into some pretty questionable porn.

So they've got that going for them.

 
NCCommish said:
But the thing is just because you don't recognize it as a simulation doesn't mean it isn't. And if it is that definitely changes what you "know" is true.

Now personally I am not on the sim train. I think it adds a layer of complexity that is not unlike that added with a supreme being running everything. And the more complex an answer the less likely it is to be the right answer. But still we have to allow for that non-zero chance to keep ourselves honest in our thought process.
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a) I didn't say all the QM weird possibilities don't exist, I just said that I value them to a much less degree compared to my and our society's daily life and how we can make this world a better place.

b) I'm wrong about a lot of stuff

 
Dedfin said:
a) I didn't say all the QM weird possibilities don't exist, I just said that I value them to a much less degree compared to my and our society's daily life and how we can make this world a better place.

b) I'm wrong about a lot of stuff
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As we all are.

 
NCCommish said:
Man of Constant Sorrow said:
Good to hear NCC.  :thumbup:

I am agnostic.

Just as I am unable to prove the existence of God(s), etc.; I am equally unable to disprove. 

I am not "religious"; thus, my personal beliefs are what I must rely on to go further than that. And those beliefs allow for the benefit of religious/spiritual concepts that are framed in scientific clothes. Underneath, the bones may be the same, even if the flesh and cloth covering it may not be.

Therefore, I will not accept any creed, but I will always believe that there is a place for concepts such as covered here, regardless of what they are called or how they are advanced.

Similar to alchemy, and its role as a bridge between the spiritual and the scientific, with all of its errors...it is the edge of the understood...even if not known.

Does this make sense? :shrug:
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Sure.
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OK then.

If what I stated seems reasonable to you, then can we not make the argument that those working on the edge of the understood are in fact still engaging in magical thinking to a certain degree?

No, it is not the level of magical thinking that occurs at Ark Park, but it is still most likely going to be more wrong than right in the long run...at least in my opinion.

Never the less, it will continue to be a bridge towards a more accurate and effective belief system.

 
Man of Constant Sorrow said:
OK then.

If what I stated seems reasonable to you, then can we not make the argument that those working on the edge of the understood are in fact still engaging in magical thinking to a certain degree?

No, it is not the level of magical thinking that occurs at Ark Park, but it is still most likely going to be more wrong than right in the long run...at least in my opinion.

Never the less, it will continue to be a bridge towards a more accurate and effective belief system.
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No I don't think we can. The theories surrounding the multi-verse are all grounded in math and science. Now are they being creative? Perhaps. But that isn't the same as magical thinking.

 
Hey Isaac Newton and Niels Bohr, can we get this thing back on track and talk more about how bad Muslims are? 

 
Ilov80s said:
Hey Isaac Newton and Niels Bohr, can we get this thing back on track and talk more about how bad Muslims are? 
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:lol:

I was about to thank MoCS and NCC for making this thread so much better than it started out!  It's 1000x more interesting than "oh noes, tha muslims r coming!"

 
NCCommish said:
No I don't think we can. The theories surrounding the multi-verse are all grounded in math and science.
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As were many of the theories of the alchemist of old. Though, I will concede they did not employ our current version of the scientific method.

NCCommish said:
Now are they being creative? Perhaps. But that isn't the same as magical thinking.
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I will have to think more on this NCC, but my current hunch is that when scientists are finally able to merge quantum physics with the physics of the large, much of what we have now may well appear to be magical.

Also, I am not trying to put our modern "'cutting edge" thinking on par with what is obviously magical thinking now; rather, I believe that much of the current outdated magical thinking was once serious inquiry that lead us to where we are now.

In this sense, I agree that current magical thinking can be a problem, yet, I give it credit for what it did, and am willing to admit that what we do know, as humankind, will eventually be regarded as just as magical.

At that last point of mine, I can see that I am probably just being pedantic about semantics, but sometimes I go there. Sorry mate. ;)

 
Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
  2 hours ago, NCCommish said:
America gets more secular every day. The point that is coming is all religion will be seen as outdated and unimportant. Can't happen soon enough either.

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From your lips to God's ears. 
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And then we will enter a new heat age, famine, world war, ice age and near extinction. Returning to tribal life, there is a need to understand the trifles of life; we pray to the sun that warms us each day.

And so, the cycle, continues.

 
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I wouldn't say never. Dumb people flock to the muslim religion. Not sure if you've noticed but we are chock full of dumb people.

 
Koya said:
Im a solipsist who's brain is the result of one individual simulation.
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IN A ROOM FULL OF SOLIPSTIC BRAINS WHO ARE EACH THEIR SIMULATION!!!! AAAARRRRRGFGGFGGHGHGHDJSBFVGNVLSMSMiunefijnwjskn3.1415926535900000000000000

/simulation over

 
lod001 said:
:thumbup:  Just stating the obvious. I mean when normal people convert and then strap on a suicide belt, they are as dumb as they come.
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What about when they convert and set the all time NBA scoring record, act in movies and write best selling books?

 
Koya said:
I thought we agreed, it IS just about me.  Hey, maybe this Trump program is onto something.
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You are huuuuge. You are tremendous, bigly the next most wonderful thing. Worshipping you is going to be as great as worshipping me. It's like equal, just not the same. I'm so glad you happened.

 
wikkidpissah said:
You are huuuuge. You are tremendous, bigly the next most wonderful thing. Worshipping you is going to be as great as worshipping me. It's like equal, just not the same. I'm so glad you happened.
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Man of Constant Sorrow said:
So...if you are correct in your meta solips'...then you b DJT!?!  :shock:

Why you torturing you?

Unplug the Orange Man....NOW!  :rant:
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DOES NOT COMPUTE.  hold on, I hearing the faint voice of God... a pimply 16 year old coder, speaking right into my brain in the voice of a deranged drunken worn out leathery faced irishish dude.

 
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Dedfin said:
When people realize that when you die you don't go to a better place, they will finally decide to make THIS world the better place.  I don't expect this to happen in my lifetime, but I can hope.
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Even though I completely disagree with this statement, I do like the eloquence and it's a really cool thing to think about.

 
Koya said:
DOES NOT COMPUTE.  hold on, I hearing the faint voice of God... a pimply 16 year old coder, speaking right into my brain in the voice of a deranged drunken worn out leathery faced irishish dude.
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So...

Ya want the red pill or the blue, me amigo?

This IS important.

And don't be greedy either, the trip can be extreme.

 
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