England becoming a Caliphate. US next (1 Viewer)

[Eephus]

Nice quote Koya....

...but we Epis solips can't stand you metaphysical ones! 

Get a grip...it's not all about you, bruh! 

Epis is my brother

 

[Dedfin]

Im a solipsist who's brain is the result of one individual simulation.

:mindblown:

 

[NCCommish]

As were many of the theories of the alchemist of old. Though, I will concede they did not employ our current version of the scientific method.

I will have to think more on this NCC, but my current hunch is that when scientists are finally able to merge quantum physics with the physics of the large, much of what we have now may well appear to be magical.

Also, I am not trying to put our modern "'cutting edge" thinking on par with what is obviously magical thinking now; rather, I believe that much of the current outdated magical thinking was once serious inquiry that lead us to where we are now.

In this sense, I agree that current magical thinking can be a problem, yet, I give it credit for what it did, and am willing to admit that what we do know, as humankind, will eventually be regarded as just as magical.

At that last point of mine, I can see that I am probably just being pedantic about semantics, but sometimes I go there. Sorry mate.

Well of course. Any significantly advanced science will appear magical to those who don't understand it. A Bic lighter in the 18th century would have been enough to get you a witch trial. But that is still different than magical thinking.

 

[Koya]

So...

Ya want the red pill or the blue, me amigo?

This IS important.

And don't be greedy either, the trip can be extreme.

Ok, both.

One brain, TWO concurrent simulations.  This gonna be Trumpy* #####.

Or day one of full blown schizophrenia. I can be two, three, five solipsists at once! BUCKLE UP BUTTERCUP(s)

* that was autocorrected from Trippy. I feel it was Done for a reason. At least one of me does. But the only "real" one. I think. 

 

[Dedfin]

Well of course. Any significantly advanced science will appear magical to those who don't understand it. A Bic lighter in the 18th century would have been enough to get you a witch trial. But that is still different than magical thinking.

Who said that?  Clarke, Asimov or Roddenbury?  I keep forgetting.

 

[Higgs]

This really worries me. I don't think I could learn to speak Muslim.

You speak Muslim just fine. 

 

[NCCommish]

Who said that?  Clarke, Asimov or Roddenbury?  I keep forgetting.

Clarke

 

[Seatown Mofos]

This is my favorite thread of today, and in quite some time, and none of it has to do with the original topic. Good job guys.

 

[Higgs]

those good-for-nothing Irish though? Salt of the earth. Keep those drunks coming. We need more of their kind around here.

The Irish and Italians built this ####### country.  Don't you forget it. 

 

[Higgs]

1.02 Allahu Snakbar!

That's Aloha Snackbar.  Get it straight.

 

[skycriesmary]

I wouldn't say never. Dumb people flock to the muslim  all religions. Not sure if you've noticed but we are chock full of dumb people.

 

[Man of Constant Sorrow]

Well of course. Any significantly advanced science will appear magical to those who don't understand it. A Bic lighter in the 18th century would have been enough to get you a witch trial. But that is still different than magical thinking.

Actually, that is not the kind of magical I was trying to convey.

Rather, I was referring to "magical thinking". I apologize if my wording was poor.

In anthropology, it denotes the attribution of causality between entities grouped with one another (coincidence) or similar to one another.

In this definition, I did not mean that we, as a lower tech, would see magic in higher tech; rather, those of higher tech, would accuse us of seeing causality incorrectly in our current theories...just as we denigrate the old theories of religion, alchemy, etc.

The 2nd definition at wiki is a little more direct imo:

In psychology, the entities between which a causal relation has to be posited are more strictly delineated; here it denotes the belief that one's thoughts by themselves can bring about effects in the world or that thinking something corresponds with doing it

In this case, one could accuse those who support the observer effect as being the perfect example of magical thinking if, one allows observation to be an aspect of thinking...even though much of the current evidence can point in that direction.

Again, I don't mean to get too anal about...I just want to clarify my perspective.

 

[NCCommish]

I think you guys will enjoy this - You are a Simulation & Physics Can Prove It: George Smoot at TEDxSalford

 

[Man of Constant Sorrow]

Ok, both.

One brain, TWO concurrent simulations.  This gonna be Trumpy* #####.

Or day one of full blown schizophrenia. I can be two, three, five solipsists at once! BUCKLE UP BUTTERCUP(s)

* that was autocorrected from Trippy. I feel it was Done for a reason. At least one of me does. But the only "real" one. I think. 

NICE Koya! 

This is actually very profound in my opinion. 

As an epis solip, I do the same with my beliefs. It is kinda like using different tools for different tasks.

Quantum for the small...Relativity for the large...etc. These two branches are not yet logically merged, though they each have their own internal logic...and...most importantly; WORK very well for what they are asked to do.

Similarly, I try to run with beliefs that may not be logically merged, yet contain their own internal logic...this can be very effective as well!

YOU GET IT BRO! 

 

[wikkidpissah]

Epis is my brother

Epis killed my daddy!!

ETA: Ok, didn't actually kill him, but my dad was allregic to em and forgot his Epispen that day. They told him it was all in his head but couldn't revive him.

 

[Koya]

NICE Koya! 

This is actually very profound in my opinion. 

As an epis solip, I do the same with my beliefs. It is kinda like using different tools for different tasks.

Quantum for the small...Relativity for the large...etc. These two branches are not yet logically merged, though they each have their own internal logic...and...most importantly; WORK very well for what they are asked to do.

Similarly, I try to run with beliefs that may not be logically merged, yet contain their own internal logic...this can be very effective as well!

YOU GET IT BRO! 

You mean YOU get it.

or rather you and me, and all other brains and sentient beings are actually a part of one single solipstic master being. One mind, one consciousness (sorta like the trees in avatar) with multiple extensions (individuals) and projections (experiences) of that common, singular entity and self. 

Maybe that's God.

and he's just a freakin' simulation. DAMMIT

 

[Ilov80s]

Who said that?  Clarke, Asimov or Roddenbury?  I keep forgetting.

Depends which simulation you are in right now. 

 

[wikkidpissah]

Quantum for the small...Relativity for the large...etc. These two branches are not yet logically merged, though they each have their own internal logic...and...most importantly; WORK very well for what they are asked to do.

Actually personality works simlarly - outside the skin, sets of constants and principles by which the species guides its processes, inside each atom/person a quarkyass jumble of possiblities. Also, pr1ck either of em and they 'splode.

 

[Man of Constant Sorrow]

You mean YOU get it.

Sorry, but not quite accurate here.

As an Epistemological (Knowledge) solipsist, I don't get into any of that Metaphysical (Beyond Physics) solipsism. I only doubt the validity and obtainability of true knowledge beyond my own experiences. Threrefore, I rely on beliefs in regards to "reality".

In that area, I do not believe I am the only existence. Rather, I shift realities just as I switch beliefs. When I was at work as an environmental scientist, I was a materialist, as it gave me the tools to do my job. When I was trying to help a troubled friend, I shifted into idealist mode...in order to access things more internal. When I paint at my current job, I am a dualist, as it let my mind roam free, yet ties me to the task of the brush.

You see, I may be mad, but I make the most of it!  

or rather you and me, and all other brains and sentient beings are actually a part of one single solipstic master being. One mind, one consciousness (sorta like the trees in avatar) with multiple extensions (individuals) and projections (experiences) of that common, singular entity and self. 

Maybe that's God.

WHOA BABY WHOA BABY WHOA!!!!!

You just hit my favorite belief to wear my friend! 

 

[Galileo]

Well there are a lot of congregations who are concerned with the here and now.

But magical thinking is itself an issue. With that said we can not rule out some kind of after life. In fact Quantum physics makes it a scientific possibility really. The transfer of consciousness within the multiverse is a possibility supported by the theories. Now it's not streets paved with gold or 72 virgins but it is a continuance of some form of self.

Except that there is as much evidence for a multiverse as there is for heaven.  Not being able to exclude the possibility is not evidence for existence.

 

[Chaka]

Personally Wordsmith has always been my favorite because of his/her consistency but lately Skookum has been really delivering the goods.

 

[Man of Constant Sorrow]

Actually personality works simlarly - outside the skin, sets of constants and principles by which the species guides its processes, inside each atom/person a quarkyass jumble of possiblities. Also, pr1ck either of em and they 'splode.

Agreed.

I 'sploded quite forcefully in my previous career because of my own lack wisdom in trying to wear too many suits at the same time.

These days, I do my best to keep it simple stupid.

I still change suits as needed, but don't mix and match so flamboyantly. 

 

[NCCommish]

Except that there is as much evidence for a multiverse as there is for heaven.  Not being able to exclude the possibility is not evidence for existence.

Well I'd say there was a bit more for the multiverse than heaven but certainly it is very much open for debate.

 

[Dr Oadi]

FEAR AND PANIC

(with some xenophobia and anti-Islamic views thrown in for good measure)

FYI, we are not comparable to England in this manner anyway.

Because America doesn't have a population that is 5% Muslim......yet?

 

[Dr Oadi]

America gets more secular every day. The point that is coming is all religion will be seen as outdated and unimportant. Can't happen soon enough either.

Keep dreaming. 

 

[Chaka]

Keep dreaming. 

Amen!

 

[Dedfin]

Well I'd say there was a bit more for the multiverse than heaven but certainly it is very much open for debate.

Not gonna look it up, but hopefuly you can tell me.  Not counting the theoretical, is there any observational evidence?  The only thing I can think of is the cosmic microwave background radiation cold spot, but there are about 30 possible reasons for that, with touching universes being only one.

 

[Galileo]

Hey Isaac Newton and Niels Bohr, can we get this thing back on track and talk more about how bad Muslims are? 

 

[timschochet]

IMO we don't have enough Muslims in this country. They are the best of citizens. They start businesses. Their children are doctors and scientists and teachers. They contribute greatly to our society. 

I would welcome at least ten million more Muslims in here, including every refugee that wants to come. If anyone thinks there's not enough room, some of the white Christians on welfare can leave. 

 

[The Z Machine]

I remember when the Japanese were going to own the world, including the US. How'd that work out again?

It worked out into deflation and negative interest rates.

 

[NCCommish]

Not gonna look it up, but hopefuly you can tell me.  Not counting the theoretical, is there any observational evidence?  The only thing I can think of is the cosmic microwave background radiation cold spot, but there are about 30 possible reasons for that, with touching universes being only one.

Well there are experimental outcomes where a multiverse makes the most sense to underpin those outcomes and no one has been able to craft a better answer. But no there is no direct observation of anything we can conclusively say means there is more than one universe.

Now with that said there is one question that an infinite multiverse answers. Why are things the way they are here? They seem to be perfect for the creation of life at a high level. Well in an infinite number of universes of course there would be a Goldilocks universe. There would also be universes the complete opposite of that.

 

[Galileo]

Well there are experimental outcomes where a multiverse makes the most sense to underpin those outcomes and no one has been able to craft a better answer. But no there is no direct observation of anything we can conclusively say means there is more than one universe.

Now with that said there is one question that an infinite multiverse answers. Why are things the way they are here? They seem to be perfect for the creation of life at a high level. Well in an infinite number of universes of course there would be a Goldilocks universe. There would also be universes the complete opposite of that.

What experimental outcomes are you referencing here?  The second bolded statement is a real problem if we are to categorize this as a matter of science.  Speculation?  Creative thinking?  Sure.  But this is not how physics works.  This is not science.  It could eventually inspire something scientific, but to the best of my knowledge, nothing as emerged in this area so far.

 

[Higgs]

IMO we don't have enough Muslims in this country. They are the best of citizens. They start businesses. Their children are doctors and scientists and teachers. They contribute greatly to our society. 

I would welcome at least ten million more Muslims in here, including every refugee that wants to come. If anyone thinks there's not enough room, some of the white Christians on welfare can leave. 

Sure!  Let 'em all in!  https://youtu.be/It-IuKPJk0c 

 

[Chaka]

Not gonna look it up, but hopefuly you can tell me.  Not counting the theoretical, is there any observational evidence?  The only thing I can think of is the cosmic microwave background radiation cold spot, but there are about 30 possible reasons for that, with touching universes being only one.

Parallels

 

[NCCommish]

What experimental outcomes are you referencing here?  The second bolded statement is a real problem if we are to categorize this as a matter of science.  Speculation?  Creative thinking?  Sure.  But this is not how physics works.  This is not science.  It could eventually inspire something scientific, but to the best of my knowledge, nothing as emerged in this area so far.

Various things. For instance the Cosmological Constant of our universe is what it would be if there were multiverses according to caluculations by Steven Weinberg. This coincides with the unnaturalness of the mass of the Higgs Boson. If the Higgs is heavier the only thing the universe can make is hydrogen. If the Constant were higher there would be no galaxies. These things suggest that you would need to have an infinite number of universes to luckily land on just the right setup for these two things to happen together in the way they did. These kinds of outcomes are also what leads some to suggest this is a simulation. Our universe isn't superfine tuned but it is just enough to allow our kind of life.

 

[Ilov80s]

Sure!  Let 'em all in!  https://youtu.be/It-IuKPJk0c 

He is right though. They make wonderful neighbors. Family oriented, highly value education, are entrepreneurial, hard working, love capitalism, take meticulous care of their property, don't drink, have awesome food. They produce, spend and maintain. 

 

[timschochet]

have awesome food. 

I forgot to mention this. So so true. 

 

[Higgs]

He is right though. They make wonderful neighbors. Family oriented, highly value education, are entrepreneurial, hard working, love capitalism, take meticulous care of their property, don't drink, have awesome food. They produce, spend and maintain. 

And the keep the women in line too. 

 

[NCCommish]

Guys we've moved beyond this silliness. If you want to discuss string theory, simulation theory, multiverses and stuff great. This other stuff is just stupid.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

IMO we don't have enough Muslims in this country. They are the best of citizens. They start businesses. Their children are doctors and scientists and teachers. They contribute greatly to our society. 

I would welcome at least ten million more Muslims in here, including every refugee that wants to come. If anyone thinks there's not enough room, some of the white Christians on welfare can leave. 

So when are you moving to Dearborn?

 

[bradyfan]

IMO we don't have enough Muslims in this country. They are the best of citizens. They start businesses. Their children are doctors and scientists and teachers. They contribute greatly to our society. 

I would welcome at least ten million more Muslims in here, including every refugee that wants to come. If anyone thinks there's not enough room, some of the white Christians on welfare can leave. 

Don't worry.  They will not be outnumbered anymore after 2060.

 

[Galileo]

Various things. For instance the Cosmological Constant of our universe is what it would be if there were multiverses according to caluculations by Steven Weinberg. This coincides with the unnaturalness of the mass of the Higgs Boson. If the Higgs is heavier the only thing the universe can make is hydrogen. If the Constant were higher there would be no galaxies. These things suggest that you would need to have an infinite number of universes to luckily land on just the right setup for these two things to happen together in the way they did. These kinds of outcomes are also what leads some to suggest this is a simulation. Our universe isn't superfine tuned but it is just enough to allow our kind of life.

 The problem is the lack of empirical evidence attributing these things to multiverse.  If you wish to invoke a multiverse hypothesis then you necessarily have to have a way to test it to bring it into the realm of science.  That has not happened yet in the 60ish or so years multiverse concepts have been thrown around.   It is dangerous to use speculative explanations simply because you don't have another. This not how physics advances. 

 

[Higgs]

Guys we've moved beyond this silliness. If you want to discuss string theory, simulation theory, multiverses and stuff great. This other stuff is just stupid.

Riiiiiight.  Nothing to see here.  Move along.  

I'll just leave this here... http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/04/03/donald-trump-listed-on-isis-kill-list-of-over-8700-westerners/

 

[Galileo]

Guys we've moved beyond this silliness. If you want to discuss string theory, simulation theory, multiverses and stuff great. This other stuff is just stupid.

I despise the fact that the word "theory" is attached to these things.  This colloquial usage of the term leads to so many misconceptions about what actually constitutes scientific theory.

 

[Higgs]

Do you infidels realize that all this talk about a multiverse, atheism, etc just might tick off certain people???

 

[Christo]

I just love the assumption that it takes believers in one myth to combat believers in another myth.

 

[timschochet]

So when are you moving to Dearborn?

I have some good friends there. 

But Southern Cal is the place to be. And we have lots of Muslims here. The more the merrier. 

 

[Higgs]

I have some good friends there. 

But Southern Cal is the place to be. And we have lots of Muslims here. The more the merrier. 

I heard San Bernardino is especially merry.

 

[timschochet]

I heard San Bernardino is especially merry.

I see.

Do you understand why someone would read this remark and find it to be bigoted, Higgs? 

 

[RokNRole]

This is my favorite thread of today, and in quite some time, and none of it has to do with the original topic. Good job guys.

You're welcome