Engram and Kennison going forward (1 Viewer)

[Enraged Nerfball]

Both Kennison and Engram are well known value plays and generally make very good WR#3's. However IMO both take major hits in value this week for different reasons, Trent Green's injury (no viable backup at QB) and the signing of Branch in Seattle. Short term I don't like the prospects of either player relative to previous years. Seems to me Kennison might still have value once, and if Green returns and plays up to his production. Thoughts?

 

[Borat]

I'm sorry, but aren't threads like these just not-so-cleverly-disguised Assistant Coach threads?

 

[Enraged Nerfball]

I'm sorry, but aren't threads like these just not-so-cleverly-disguised Assistant Coach threads?

There are at least half a dozen threads on the first page alone that are similar to this one. I'm sure the mods will move it if it's a problem. It's a legit question based on the number of posters who have one or both on their roster as value plays.

 

[Da Guru]

Kennison has to be dropped way down due to Trent Greens brain being scrambled, he may not return.

Hass has always liked and looked for Engram so that one is tough to predict. All of Seattles WRs may drop a bit. I don`t think they have a true #1.

 

[Kleck]

Engram is the only WR in Seattle that I think has a locked in value. His targets won't change. I think Burleson takes the big fall in Seattle.

 

[Mr. Pink]

Agreed.

 

[packersfan]

Engram is the only WR in Seattle that I think has a locked in value. His targets won't change. I think Burleson takes the big fall in Seattle.

I like Engram quite a bit and I agree with your assessment for the most part but I do think his value takes a hit with Branch. Assuming Branch quickly becomes the starter (and what's the word in Seattle on how long that will take after his two-game exemption?) he is a better WR than Burleson - much better in my opinion. So if DJax stays healthy and Branch is the starter on the other side I do think that could lead to Engram's production dipping at least a bit because there are only so many balls to go around. Again, though, I agree he'll likely remain the No. 3 WR even when Branch is ready because he's so good in the slot and is a very reliable option for Hasselbeck in the passing game.

 

[RatMan]

I think this week, at home vs. Arizona, before Branch gets fully involved, is a good time to squeeze the "value" production out of Engram.

 

[davearm]

I drafted Engram as a semi-appealing WR4 with solid sleeper potential owing to DJax' injury and Burleson's newness.

DJax' recovery and Branch's arrival makes Engram's upside pretty limited. He's the Seahawks' slot/#3 receiver, that's it.

I plan to drop him for Cocherty or Colston -- a young guy that's won the #2 role (or maybe even 1b role). More upside there now, IMO.

 

[Kleck]

Engram is the only WR in Seattle that I think has a locked in value. His targets won't change. I think Burleson takes the big fall in Seattle.

I like Engram quite a bit and I agree with your assessment for the most part but I do think his value takes a hit with Branch. Assuming Branch quickly becomes the starter (and what's the word in Seattle on how long that will take after his two-game exemption?) he is a better WR than Burleson - much better in my opinion. So if DJax stays healthy and Branch is the starter on the other side I do think that could lead to Engram's production dipping at least a bit because there are only so many balls to go around. Again, though, I agree he'll likely remain the No. 3 WR even when Branch is ready because he's so good in the slot and is a very reliable option for Hasselbeck in the passing game.

Seattle spends so much time in 3 WR sets that its not a stretch to call Engram a starter as well. I expect to see Jackson, Engram, and Branch on the field a lot together.

 

[packersfan]

Engram is the only WR in Seattle that I think has a locked in value. His targets won't change. I think Burleson takes the big fall in Seattle.

I like Engram quite a bit and I agree with your assessment for the most part but I do think his value takes a hit with Branch. Assuming Branch quickly becomes the starter (and what's the word in Seattle on how long that will take after his two-game exemption?) he is a better WR than Burleson - much better in my opinion. So if DJax stays healthy and Branch is the starter on the other side I do think that could lead to Engram's production dipping at least a bit because there are only so many balls to go around. Again, though, I agree he'll likely remain the No. 3 WR even when Branch is ready because he's so good in the slot and is a very reliable option for Hasselbeck in the passing game.

Seattle spends so much time in 3 WR sets that its not a stretch to call Engram a starter as well. I expect to see Jackson, Engram, and Branch on the field a lot together.

Agreed. But the quality of talent opposite DJax has just gone up (considerably in my opinion). While Engram is a steady, reliable target I think it's safe to say Holmgren will want to get the ball to Branch to take advantage of his talent level. Combine that with the catches DJax will get and then Stevens when he returns and while I like Engram a lot (and so does Hasselbeck) I could see a situation developing where overall he becomes the fourth option in the passing game, though possibly higher on critical third downs.Back to my question -- what's the word in Seattle about how quickly Holmgren plans to put Branch into the starting lineup?

 

[broncofan13000]

Engram is the only WR in Seattle that I think has a locked in value. His targets won't change. I think Burleson takes the big fall in Seattle.

I like Engram quite a bit and I agree with your assessment for the most part but I do think his value takes a hit with Branch. Assuming Branch quickly becomes the starter (and what's the word in Seattle on how long that will take after his two-game exemption?) he is a better WR than Burleson - much better in my opinion. So if DJax stays healthy and Branch is the starter on the other side I do think that could lead to Engram's production dipping at least a bit because there are only so many balls to go around. Again, though, I agree he'll likely remain the No. 3 WR even when Branch is ready because he's so good in the slot and is a very reliable option for Hasselbeck in the passing game.

Seattle spends so much time in 3 WR sets that its not a stretch to call Engram a starter as well. I expect to see Jackson, Engram, and Branch on the field a lot together.

So you think Burelson will take the hit fantasy wise? I was about to cast off Engram, but maybe i'll keep him around

 

[Judge Smails]

I'm cutting Kennison. I have Harrison/Wayne/DJax as starters, with BWatson (non TE mandatory league). Can't see Kennison every getting in the mix. Thought he was great value when I drafted him, but things change quickly in fantasy land..

 

[wilewolf]

Trent Green has really been a fine QB for the Chiefs for a while now. Losing him really hurts in my opinion. Not sure how many starts he has had, but its been a pretty impressive streak. No one talks much about him, but he has been solid now for a few years and its surprising how much the ball is spread around.

Engram may be a favorite of Hass, but as a couple people have stated there are only so many balls that go around.

 

[broadcaster]

Trent Green has really been a fine QB for the Chiefs for a while now. Losing him really hurts in my opinion. Not sure how many starts he has had, but its been a pretty impressive streak. No one talks much about him, but he has been solid now for a few years and its surprising how much the ball is spread around.Engram may be a favorite of Hass, but as a couple people have stated there are only so many balls that go around.

I drafted Kennison as my WR2 in the 5th round. I'm now looking at a WR core of Holt, A. Bryant, and someone from the group of (and I'm NOT asking "who should start"):KennisonBraylon EdwardsMichael ClaytonMark ClaytonChris Cooley (non-TE league)Travis TaylorYuk!I'm definitely trying to pick up a WR on the WW this week!

 

[gman8343]

I thought Trent Green was coming back after the bye week? If so, that's only a couple of weeks, shouldn't be a big deal.

 

[Brewdude]

I'm sorry, but aren't threads like these just not-so-cleverly-disguised Assistant Coach threads?

Is the SP only for news? This one isn't anywhere near being ACF material.I was wondering the same thing about Engram.Seriously, WTF do you expect in this forum?

 

[Brewdude]

I have Engram and Branch in one league. Seattle didn't send next year's 1st rounder to NE for nothing. Branch will be involved in the passing game. Quite honestly, I see both DJax and Engram's value falling because of Branch. Wouldn't be surprised to see him be a 1b by mid-season.

I just don't see how Engram will get enough targets now to justify starting him.

 

[LHUCKS]

wait a few weeks and buy low on Kennison.

 

[Judge Smails]

wait a few weeks and buy low on Kennison.

Depends on the league. I'm in a 12 team redraft, only carry 14 roster spots. With bye weeks approaching, no time for dead wood..

 

[LHUCKS]

wait a few weeks and buy low on Kennison.

Depends on the league. I'm in a 12 team redraft, only carry 14 roster spots. With bye weeks approaching, no time for dead wood..

True...I wouldn't add him in a shallow roster league, not unless you drafted a very suspect WR like lelie or something.

 

[broncofan13000]

WR Branch Won't Play SundayESPN.com - [Full Article]Seattle Seahawks HC Mike Holmgren said new WR Deion Branch will likely remain on the sidelines for Sunday's game in Arizona. Holmgren said Branch should be prepared the following week. The coach told KIRO Radio the team will have to cut a player to make room on the roster for Branch.

It looks like Engram will be a solid start again this week. Thank God i didn't drop him yet in my PPR league (my WR's suck :X )

 

[Jayrod]

Trent Green has really been a fine QB for the Chiefs for a while now. Losing him really hurts in my opinion. Not sure how many starts he has had, but its been a pretty impressive streak. No one talks much about him, but he has been solid now for a few years and its surprising how much the ball is spread around.

Engram may be a favorite of Hass, but as a couple people have stated there are only so many balls that go around.

I know it was over 100, the mentioned it at the beginning of the broadcast. I think somewhere around 108 or so.

 

[stickboy]

If you are Denver this week, are you going to try to stop LJ from running all over them, or Brock Huard to Fast Eddie? I expect run blitzes galore, cover up on Gonzalez, and leave the corners without help against Kennison and Parker.

The loss of Green may actually help Kennison, not hurt him. The real problem is that the Denver D is for real if Plummer doesn't keep putting them in a hole.

 

[Stingdiddy]

I'm cutting Kennison. I have Harrison/Wayne/DJax as starters, with BWatson (non TE mandatory league). Can't see Kennison every getting in the mix. Thought he was great value when I drafted him, but things change quickly in fantasy land..

Cutting Kennison? How many owners in your league? Green is gonna be back. I think cutting Eddie could be a bit extreme at this point.

 

[Judge Smails]

I'm cutting Kennison. I have Harrison/Wayne/DJax as starters, with BWatson (non TE mandatory league). Can't see Kennison every getting in the mix. Thought he was great value when I drafted him, but things change quickly in fantasy land..

Cutting Kennison? How many owners in your league? Green is gonna be back. I think cutting Eddie could be a bit extreme at this point.

Compared to the 4 WR's on my roster? Remember, we only have 14 roster spots, so people are cut every week - I can probably pick him up in a week or two (after the bye) if need be.

 

[WainiacS]

I dropped Engram and picked up Bruce off the waiver wire. I would recommend HOLDING Kennison.

IN a related story I dropped V. Morency Tue and picked up A. Train. Not sure about that swap????

This going to be a crazy year...

 

[pghrob]

I am not enthused about Kennison's value these next few weeks w/out Green. I dropped him and picked up Jer. Cotchery as a flier off the WW.

Cotchery has much more upside than Kennison at this point...he had quite a bit of targets last week vs. the lowly Titans. While the JEts won't play defenses as poor a caliber of the Titans every week, Pennington looks to be OK, and when he was healthy prior to the elbow and wrist injuries, he was solid.

Trent Green had a helluva head trauma. Herm Edwards is not running the Al Saunders offense. I just ain't seeing Kennison as being a lofty WR as Dodds and the FBG's have him in the current Top 250 Forward. Herm will pound LJ, Parker is on the rise, Gardner will resurrect and steal targets, and Gonzo will rebound with more targets, all combining so that Kennison will fade away as an aging fantasy WR2-3.

 

[pghrob]

bump

 

[The Jacket]

I think Kennison has some value with potential to gain yards, but I never expected touchdown production from him even when the Chiefs offense, on paper, looked explosive. I expect even less scores from him now.

Don't forget, he's still the No. 1 receiver in KC. For that reason, and perhaps that reason alone, I could see 800 yards, which would be a dip from his last two seasons (of 1000+ and 1100+ yards). But touchdowns? It'd surprise me to see him score 3 or more. He'll get virtually no looks in the redzone, and that basically leaves a bomb or two for the score, which he is capable of.

 

[pghrob]

I think Kennison has some value with potential to gain yards, but I never expected touchdown production from him even when the Chiefs offense, on paper, looked explosive. I expect even less scores from him now. Don't forget, he's still the No. 1 receiver in KC. For that reason, and perhaps that reason alone, I could see 800 yards, which would be a dip from his last two seasons (of 1000+ and 1100+ yards). But touchdowns? It'd surprise me to see him score 3 or more. He'll get virtually no looks in the redzone, and that basically leaves a bomb or two for the score, which he is capable of.

It is for these very types of reasons that I can't agree with the FBG's lofty ranking of Eddie. I just don't see what Dodds must be seeing in his top 250 list. At least after how the Chief's offense looked after week 1.