Eric Decker v Jordy Nelson (1 Viewer)

[xenon]

Both are available mid rounds 5 or 6 from what I've been seeing or a bit later. Regardless of round, who would you rather have and why? Pros/Cons for each player/team?

 

[JuniorNB]

I think Nelson is a better deep threat, while Decker is better in the red zone. Both have great QBs throwing to them in great offenses.

To me, the tie-breaker is the fact that Decker is healthy.

 

[danopkt]

Agreed, Jordy's knees have me a bit more concerned; I'd go with Decker.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I would give the edge to Nelson. He should be at full strength by week 2. I expect Nelson will get more TDs than Decker now that Denver added Welker.

 

[cstu]

Too much competition in Denver, I think Decker will be a disappointment.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Too many people underestimate the rapport between Decker and Manning. Decker also (from what I've seen) can pretty much do everything well and with the Miller suspension I expect plenty of high scoring games from Denver. I like Decker a LOT more then Nelson. Nelson one good season seems like an aberration to me. I can see Decker stringing together 2-3 more years like last season with Manning at QB

 

[Chaka]

Decker. Nelson is hurt and Welker isn't going to see the pinball type targets in Denver that he was used to in New England.

ETA: If Jordy were perfectly healthy I would take him over Decker and if the reports about his recovery are all good going into the season then I could see taking him over Decker.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Name the receiver with the most TD's in the past two years. If you said Jordy Nelson, you would be correct. Only Gronk has more.

He might not be Rodgers first look in the redzone but he gets plenty of targets.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Jordy, although it's a bit more risky. If I can draft adequate WR depth I want the guy with more upside, even if he's more "boom or bust".

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Name the receiver with the most TD's in the past two years. If you said Jordy Nelson, you would be correct. Only Gronk has more.

He might not be Rodgers first look in the redzone but he gets plenty of targets.

I think it points to the season he had two years ago as a fluke. Last year is what I consider. I'll be taking Decker by a full round over Jordy. I think he's better, and the fact Jordy is injured already widens the gap.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Name the receiver with the most TD's in the past two years. If you said Jordy Nelson, you would be correct. Only Gronk has more.

He might not be Rodgers first look in the redzone but he gets plenty of targets.

I think it points to the season he had two years ago as a fluke. Last year is what I consider. I'll be taking Decker by a full round over Jordy. I think he's better, and the fact Jordy is injured already widens the gap.

Last year he was something like wr8 through the first 7 weeks. I really don't understand how Jordy's 15tds in 2011 is a fluke but everyone says Jones 14tds in 2012 is a result of "a great connection between him and Rodgers". I think a big part of why the pack were letting Jennings walk wasn't just the emergence of Cobb, it was their belief that Jordy has developed into more than just a deep threat.

I like Decker, but I think he and Welker eat into each others target with Thomas the real winner. Both are great values at their ADP. I think a healthy Jordy outperforms. I don't think I would fault anyone for taking Decker if they consider Jordy's knee a real concern.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Name the receiver with the most TD's in the past two years. If you said Jordy Nelson, you would be correct. Only Gronk has more.

He might not be Rodgers first look in the redzone but he gets plenty of targets.

I think it points to the season he had two years ago as a fluke. Last year is what I consider. I'll be taking Decker by a full round over Jordy. I think he's better, and the fact Jordy is injured already widens the gap.

Last year he was something like wr8 through the first 7 weeks. I really don't understand how Jordy's 15tds in 2011 is a fluke but everyone says Jones 14tds in 2012 is a result of "a great connection between him and Rodgers". I think a big part of why the pack were letting Jennings walk wasn't just the emergence of Cobb, it was their belief that Jordy has developed into more than just a deep threat.

I like Decker, but I think he and Welker eat into each others target with Thomas the real winner. Both are great values at their ADP. I think a healthy Jordy outperforms. I don't think I would fault anyone for taking Decker if they consider Jordy's knee a real concern.

bingo

 

[Adam Harstad]

Name the receiver with the most TD's in the past two years. If you said Jordy Nelson, you would be correct. Only Gronk has more.

He might not be Rodgers first look in the redzone but he gets plenty of targets.

I think it points to the season he had two years ago as a fluke. Last year is what I consider. I'll be taking Decker by a full round over Jordy. I think he's better, and the fact Jordy is injured already widens the gap.

Nelson would have had double-digit scores last year if he'd stayed healthy. 2011 wasn't a fluke. If anything, Decker's 2012 season (13 TDs on just 1000 yards) was much more of a fluke- typically, you're going to count more on one TD per every 100 yards.

 

[Chaka]

Name the receiver with the most TD's in the past two years. If you said Jordy Nelson, you would be correct. Only Gronk has more.

He might not be Rodgers first look in the redzone but he gets plenty of targets.

I think it points to the season he had two years ago as a fluke. Last year is what I consider. I'll be taking Decker by a full round over Jordy. I think he's better, and the fact Jordy is injured already widens the gap.

Nelson would have had double-digit scores last year if he'd stayed healthy. 2011 wasn't a fluke. If anything, Decker's 2012 season (13 TDs on just 1000 yards) was much more of a fluke- typically, you're going to count more on one TD per every 100 yards.

That is a good point but on the flip side I really liked Decker's consistency throughout the season. He either scored and/or went over 100 yards in 10 of Denver's 17 games (on 7.2 targets/game).

Jordy, while admittedly working with an injury at times, did that in only 5 of his 14 games last year (on 5.2 targets/game). ETA: Although Nelson did it in 10 of 17 games in 2011 (although on only 5.6 targets/game)

TDs are pretty much impossible to predict but I like that Decker appeared to be a favorite target of Manning's in the red zone while I am less certain about Nelson in that area.

 

[gandalas]

Name the receiver with the most TD's in the past two years. If you said Jordy Nelson, you would be correct. Only Gronk has more.

He might not be Rodgers first look in the redzone but he gets plenty of targets.

I think it points to the season he had two years ago as a fluke. Last year is what I consider. I'll be taking Decker by a full round over Jordy. I think he's better, and the fact Jordy is injured already widens the gap.

Um, Jordy had a pretty good season last year as well. 745 yards and 7 TDs in only 11 games played? If he had not gotten hurt, he would have been over 10TDs and 1000 yards again quite easily.

 

[cstu]

Name the receiver with the most TD's in the past two years. If you said Jordy Nelson, you would be correct. Only Gronk has more.

He might not be Rodgers first look in the redzone but he gets plenty of targets.

I think it points to the season he had two years ago as a fluke. Last year is what I consider. I'll be taking Decker by a full round over Jordy. I think he's better, and the fact Jordy is injured already widens the gap.

Nelson would have had double-digit scores last year if he'd stayed healthy. 2011 wasn't a fluke. If anything, Decker's 2012 season (13 TDs on just 1000 yards) was much more of a fluke- typically, you're going to count more on one TD per every 100 yards.

That is a good point but on the flip side I really liked Decker's consistency throughout the season. He either scored and/or went over 100 yards in 10 of Denver's 17 games (on 7.2 targets/game).Jordy, while admittedly working with an injury at times, did that in only 5 of his 14 games last year (on 5.2 targets/game). ETA: Although Nelson did it in 10 of 17 games in 2011 (although on only 5.6 targets/game)

TDs are pretty much impossible to predict but I like that Decker appeared to be a favorite target of Manning's in the red zone while I am less certain about Nelson in that area.

When talking about targets/game you're leaving out the subtraction of Jennings from GB and the addition of Welker to DEN.

 

[Underachievers]

Name the receiver with the most TD's in the past two years. If you said Jordy Nelson, you would be correct. Only Gronk has more.

He might not be Rodgers first look in the redzone but he gets plenty of targets.

I think it points to the season he had two years ago as a fluke. Last year is what I consider. I'll be taking Decker by a full round over Jordy. I think he's better, and the fact Jordy is injured already widens the gap.

Nelson would have had double-digit scores last year if he'd stayed healthy. 2011 wasn't a fluke. If anything, Decker's 2012 season (13 TDs on just 1000 yards) was much more of a fluke- typically, you're going to count more on one TD per every 100 yards.

That is a good point but on the flip side I really liked Decker's consistency throughout the season. He either scored and/or went over 100 yards in 10 of Denver's 17 games (on 7.2 targets/game).Jordy, while admittedly working with an injury at times, did that in only 5 of his 14 games last year (on 5.2 targets/game). ETA: Although Nelson did it in 10 of 17 games in 2011 (although on only 5.6 targets/game)

TDs are pretty much impossible to predict but I like that Decker appeared to be a favorite target of Manning's in the red zone while I am less certain about Nelson in that area.

When talking about targets/game you're leaving out the subtraction of Jennings from GB and the addition of Welker to DEN.

Also leaving out the addition of All World Lacy to the Packer backfield. This will have a profound effect on the numbers of all Green Bay WR's.

 

[Stewyfootballhead]

take advantage of the injury discount, Jordy and it's not even close, the only reason for this question is the "injury" which is really minor surgery pushing Jordy's ADP down, he would be late 3rd early 4th in all formats dynasty/ppr/non ppr whatever

 

[HurryUpSundays]

I REALLY like Nelson at his ADP. Jennings gone, James Jones is average, Finely disappears and Cobb's bicep could linger.

Obviously Jordy's knee is cause for mild concern, but I'm buying where I can.

I wouldn't be pissed off if Decker is in my starting line-up either though.

 

[Chaka]

Name the receiver with the most TD's in the past two years. If you said Jordy Nelson, you would be correct. Only Gronk has more.

He might not be Rodgers first look in the redzone but he gets plenty of targets.

I think it points to the season he had two years ago as a fluke. Last year is what I consider. I'll be taking Decker by a full round over Jordy. I think he's better, and the fact Jordy is injured already widens the gap.

Nelson would have had double-digit scores last year if he'd stayed healthy. 2011 wasn't a fluke. If anything, Decker's 2012 season (13 TDs on just 1000 yards) was much more of a fluke- typically, you're going to count more on one TD per every 100 yards.

That is a good point but on the flip side I really liked Decker's consistency throughout the season. He either scored and/or went over 100 yards in 10 of Denver's 17 games (on 7.2 targets/game).Jordy, while admittedly working with an injury at times, did that in only 5 of his 14 games last year (on 5.2 targets/game). ETA: Although Nelson did it in 10 of 17 games in 2011 (although on only 5.6 targets/game)

TDs are pretty much impossible to predict but I like that Decker appeared to be a favorite target of Manning's in the red zone while I am less certain about Nelson in that area.

When talking about targets/game you're leaving out the subtraction of Jennings from GB and the addition of Welker to DEN.

I am not sure that Jennings was much of a factor for Nelson last year as Jennings missed over half the season anyway.

And I don't think Welker is going to as much of a ball hog as some people are guessing. Welker is not the safety net to Manning that he was to Brady and it doesn't strike me that even if Welker steals some targets between the 20s that he will be much of a factor in the red zone where Decker was Manning's safety net last season.

And I agree that if the Packers running game manages to be respectable it will impact Nelson as much as Welker will impact Decker. And all the reports out of Green Bay indicate that Jermichael Finley is having his best camp ever which could have a significant impact on the entire Packers receiving pecking order. In particular it would drop Nelson to the third or fourth read in the red zone behind Finley and Jones.

It is going to be a tough call between Nelson and Decker on draft day. If Nelson is close to full strength I could see taking him over Decker because I think he has much better upside but Decker strikes me as a guy who is a safer bet to achieving his projected numbers. It all depends on how you like to build your team.

 

[BigDave]

So on draft night I'm the commish and have to draft for one guy that was at his son's soccer meeting.

I also had to put up stickers on the draft board for others who phoned in. Both were very annoying since I was drafting a team as well.

So guess what happens? I fork up and draft Decker in the 7th. Already had D. Thomas in the 3rd.

I was able to make a trade with the guy who took Nelson right after me in the 7th. He figured they were about even and Nelson was hurt while Decker was healthy for now.

I get Nelson, when healthy, on a pass happy GB offense instead of Decker as my #2 behind Thomas.

I'm happy

 

[cstu]

Not looking great for Decker so far with Welker getting a lot of targets.

 

[SD1977]

Jordy Nelson.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

Not looking great for Decker so far with Welker getting a lot of targets.

C'mon, you know all receivers go in waves. Even the uber elite guys have down games. One game does not a trend make. This team is going to be explosive. I drafted as many Broncos, Cowboys and Falcons I could this season as far as WRs/QBs go. Decker will be fine this season.

 

[irish eyes]

Like i said in another thread, had a bad feeling when i drafted decker. Barely even looked at by manning except when he dropped a TD. Ugh i HATE this game.

 

[need2know]

Like i said in another thread, had a bad feeling when i drafted decker. Barely even looked at by manning except when he dropped a TD. Ugh i HATE this game.

actually hes had alot of targets just no catches. #### happens man

 

[cstu]

Not looking great for Decker so far with Welker getting a lot of targets.

C'mon, you know all receivers go in waves. Even the uber elite guys have down games. One game does not a trend make. This team is going to be explosive. I drafted as many Broncos, Cowboys and Falcons I could this season as far as WRs/QBs go. Decker will be fine this season.

I'm aware of that but it's looking like Decker is the odd man out of this offense. Should still put up decent numbers but I don't think he out plays his ADP.

 

[finito]

Trying to not overeact but if Julius Thomas is legit then there's just not enough balls in Denver for all those WRs. Someone's numbers have to suffer, maybe a couple of players have big dips in numbers.

 

[ponchsox]

800/8 for Decker

 

[Man of Zen]

800/8 for Decker

I think this may be ballpark.

Sort of a TY Hilton from last year in terms of targets and production.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

7 targets isnt bad though

 

[ponchsox]

7 targets isnt bad though

And if he makes that TD grab, nobody is complaining.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

800/8 for Decker

This is a fair projection.

 

[Funkley]

If anything I'd call the panicky Decker owners on Monday. He will get his. That offense is gonna roll.

 

[fruity pebbles]

this debate may be over after one week.

 

[Adam Harstad]

this debate may be over after one week.

Outside of injury, what debate has ever been over after one week?

 

[FUBAR]

Eric Decker, meet Peerless Price.

 

[lod01]

Eric Decker + $15 million cash, meet Peerless Price.

Updated.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Eric Decker, meet Peerless Price.

Not really. Atlanta gave up a first round pick to acquire Price, then gave him a contract near the top of his position. Eric Decker ($7.5m per year) got a contract somewhere between what Greg Jennings ($9.5m per year) and Brian Hartline ($6m per year) signed for last year, despite the cap being much higher this year. I'd rather have Eric Decker than either of those guys, so I think he's a bargain.

Moreover, Peerless Price is an example of a good #2 WR who was a crappy #1, but there are also examples of good #2s who become very good #1s, too. Antonio Brown, Santonio Holmes, Santana Moss, Pierre Garcon, Reggie Wayne, Plaxico Burress, and I'm just hitting the former Steelers, Jets, and Colts. Jordy Nelson himself. Percy Harvin. Wes Welker after Moss left. These are just off the top of my head. The problem with anecdotal evidence is that it always cuts both ways.

Eric Decker might just be a #2 who can never succeed as a #1. Eric Decker might have been capable of being a #1 all along, but he was simply blocked by an All Pro-caliber receiver ahead of him on the depth chart (like Wayne, Garcon, etc). Either way, Decker doesn't have to be fantastic to be worth $7+ million a year, he simply has to be pretty decent, and I feel quite confident that Eric Decker is a pretty decent receiver. Good signing by the Jets.

 

[Jayrok]

Eric Decker, meet Peerless Price.

Alvin Harper v2.0

 

[MoveToSkypager]

this debate may be over after one week.

Outside of injury, what debate has ever been over after one week?

I can think of millions of debates that be over in a week.

 

[jurb26]

Eric Decker, meet Peerless Price.

Not really. Atlanta gave up a first round pick to acquire Price, then gave him a contract near the top of his position. Eric Decker ($7.5m per year) got a contract somewhere between what Greg Jennings ($9.5m per year) and Brian Hartline ($6m per year) signed for last year, despite the cap being much higher this year. I'd rather have Eric Decker than either of those guys, so I think he's a bargain.

Moreover, Peerless Price is an example of a good #2 WR who was a crappy #1, but there are also examples of good #2s who become very good #1s, too. Antonio Brown, Santonio Holmes, Santana Moss, Pierre Garcon, Reggie Wayne, Plaxico Burress, and I'm just hitting the former Steelers, Jets, and Colts. Jordy Nelson himself. Percy Harvin. Wes Welker after Moss left. These are just off the top of my head. The problem with anecdotal evidence is that it always cuts both ways.

Eric Decker might just be a #2 who can never succeed as a #1. Eric Decker might have been capable of being a #1 all along, but he was simply blocked by an All Pro-caliber receiver ahead of him on the depth chart (like Wayne, Garcon, etc). Either way, Decker doesn't have to be fantastic to be worth $7+ million a year, he simply has to be pretty decent, and I feel quite confident that Eric Decker is a pretty decent receiver. Good signing by the Jets.

Pretty much every one of those WR2 success had a great QB. Decker... Not so much.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Eric Decker, meet Peerless Price.

Not really. Atlanta gave up a first round pick to acquire Price, then gave him a contract near the top of his position. Eric Decker ($7.5m per year) got a contract somewhere between what Greg Jennings ($9.5m per year) and Brian Hartline ($6m per year) signed for last year, despite the cap being much higher this year. I'd rather have Eric Decker than either of those guys, so I think he's a bargain.

Moreover, Peerless Price is an example of a good #2 WR who was a crappy #1, but there are also examples of good #2s who become very good #1s, too. Antonio Brown, Santonio Holmes, Santana Moss, Pierre Garcon, Reggie Wayne, Plaxico Burress, and I'm just hitting the former Steelers, Jets, and Colts. Jordy Nelson himself. Percy Harvin. Wes Welker after Moss left. These are just off the top of my head. The problem with anecdotal evidence is that it always cuts both ways.

Eric Decker might just be a #2 who can never succeed as a #1. Eric Decker might have been capable of being a #1 all along, but he was simply blocked by an All Pro-caliber receiver ahead of him on the depth chart (like Wayne, Garcon, etc). Either way, Decker doesn't have to be fantastic to be worth $7+ million a year, he simply has to be pretty decent, and I feel quite confident that Eric Decker is a pretty decent receiver. Good signing by the Jets.

Pretty much every one of those WR2 success had a great QB. Decker... Not so much.

I'm not saying he's going to be productive in that terrible situation. There's a difference between NFL good and Fantasy good. I don't expect Decker to be very Fantasy good this year, but from an NFL standpoint, he was a bargain.