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ESPN 30 for 30: O.J. Made in America (1 Viewer)

Watched part 3 on ESPN Watch and man the last 30 minutes of it discussing the manipulation of trying to portray OJ as a man of the black people is just amazing.  They played so many people like a fiddle so well 

 
LOL! who is this Danny Bakewell character?!  He's like the male version of that NAACP white lady who got caught pretending to be black.

 
Carl Douglas in parts 3 and part 4 is a real sleezebag as a person but man as a defense lawyer he was top notch.  From watching parts 3 and 4 you can see that Dream Team is really men playing against boys.  

 
Todem said:
OJ was a monster. If he could not have Nicole.....no one was. As much as a travesty the Rodney King verdict was (and it was bad) and also that oriental woman getting probation for killing a black girl with her back turned in cold blood, two wrongs do not make a right.

OJ brutally murdered Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman. It still disgusts me how this turned out even after all these years. You can't quantify it being right or just. Just so wrong. Regardless of the racial tensions and environment in LA, regardless of everything going on. Two people were murdered....no make that butchered in cold blood and the man clearly responsible for the crime was found not freaking guilty....to make a point? Horrifying and unimaginable. And OJ did not give a rats ### about the racial divide, or the black community. Not one rats ###.
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The girls name was Latasha Harlins

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Latasha_Harlins

On November 15, 1991, the jury, believing that Du's shooting was fully within her control and she fired the gun voluntarily, found Du guilty of voluntary manslaughter, an offense that carries a maximum prison sentence of 16-years. However, trial judge, Joyce Karlin, sentenced Du to five years of probation, four hundred hours of community service, and a $500 fine.[6][7][8]
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FishTacoTuesday said:
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Not everyone likes the same things. :shrug:

I've tried watching this, but found it boring and tedious. Plus, the parts I've watched are mostly video I've already seen. Did we really need 8 more hours on OJ with little to nothing new to bring to light?

The great 30 for 30s and other documentaries tell a story that hasn't been heard before. Or at least bring to light a new angle on an old story.

This feels tedious and over done. It's like the director was asked to fill 8 hours and there is a ton of filler.

It's not for me.

I'm okay with knowing not everyone agrees. If you like it, enjoy. But this feels like a bad remake of an old movie to me.

 
Todem said:
... And OJ did not give a rats ### about the racial divide, or the black community. Not one rats ###.
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I don't think he gives a rats ### about anything but himself.  I'm pretty sure he is a sociopath.  The part where they talked about him cheating at golf and never admitting it (to the point of claiming that a ball he hit into the rough landed on a tee! :lmao: ) was pretty funny and revealing.

 
I was 1 when the King stuff went down.  Always assumed the officers were in the wrong from what I had heard, but never looked into too much.  The documentary kind of paints it as being open to interpretation, like the officers were afraid he was so high on PCP he could be a physical threat to them, so they had to keep beating him.  What's the consensus?

 
I never really heard the full story about OJ getting arrested in Vegas on that sports memorabilia thing and man this is dumbest.   It was like Ocean 11 if it was done by morons.  It is really something that a man who was loved by so many white people was so shunned by America that he ended up with some of the lowest of low class in Florida and Vegas.  

 
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All the interviews with his childhood friends, the footage of his wedding, the interviews with him in the 70s and 80s, the clips of celebrities bragging him up.  Yeah I hadn't seen most of that before, but I guess the 100 on Rotten Tomatoes and many saying this is one of the best sports documentaries ever is all for naught. Joe T had heard the ball landing on the tee in the rough story before though, but I hadn't.    It's like I was living in a bubble!  i feel liberated! 

 
I've only seen Part 1, actually watched it last night and my wife watched it too. The only other 30 for 30 she's watched with me was the Laettner one (to which she said at the end, he seems like a good guy :hot: ). She enjoyed it too. Got part 2 fired up and will prob watch with her Friday.

For millennials, I'd assume a lot of people probably had the same perception as me that he was always a scumbag. I just figured he was always some jerkoff athlete ######## his whole life. Can't believe he was the first black pitchman for a bunch of stuff and he had this crisp cleancut persona. 

Hoping the rest is as entertaining as Part 1.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
I've only seen Part 1, actually watched it last night and my wife watched it too. The only other 30 for 30 she's watched with me was the Laettner one (to which she said at the end, he seems like a good guy :hot: ). She enjoyed it too. Got part 2 fired up and will prob watch with her Friday.

For millennials, I'd assume a lot of people probably had the same perception as me that he was always a scumbag. I just figured he was always some jerkoff athlete ######## his whole life. Can't believe he was the first black pitchman for a bunch of stuff and he had this crisp cleancut persona. 

Hoping the rest is as entertaining as Part 1.
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Yeah the millennial angle on this documentary interests me, since this all happened when you were very little. 

I knew of OJ when I was 6 or 7, as a football player but more as the Hertz guy. 

 
FishTacoTuesday said:
Yeah the millennial angle on this documentary interests me, since this all happened when you were very little. 

I knew of OJ when I was 6 or 7, as a football player but more as the Hertz guy. 
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My wife and I both :mindblown: watching Part 1. 

I mean, I remember him in a few movies (funny ones too, although they're never on anywhere since basically all things OJ have been swept under the rug to fade into oblivion), but anyone can be in a movie. I guess if I really dig down into my memory bank I vaguely remember some of the Hertz stuff. It sorta was like "oh yea, I kinda remember that" when I was watching. 

But yea, I'd say the 25-35 crowd knows of him as always being a scumbag, really enjoyed part 1.

 
Plenty of new material overall. Not sure where the rehash complaint is coming from. And I followed this pretty closely in 1994. 

 
I think OJ was very remorseful for having killed Nicole.  Not because she was dead or because of the horror of doing it, but because he knew his gravy train just jumped the track.  All the free women, all the people fawning over him, what he had built for himself: gone. 

 
Peyton Marino said:
I was 1 when the King stuff went down.  Always assumed the officers were in the wrong from what I had heard, but never looked into too much.  The documentary kind of paints it as being open to interpretation, like the officers were afraid he was so high on PCP he could be a physical threat to them, so they had to keep beating him.  What's the consensus?
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You're in your twenties? Sheesh, mang.

 
Peyton Marino said:
I was 1 when the King stuff went down.  Always assumed the officers were in the wrong from what I had heard, but never looked into too much.  The documentary kind of paints it as being open to interpretation, like the officers were afraid he was so high on PCP he could be a physical threat to them, so they had to keep beating him.  What's the consensus?
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With about 20 officers standing around as backup and watching, I'm pretty sure he could've been detained. The beating should've stopped long before it did, very wrong and way over the top IMO. And to have the trial where it was and to let the cops off Scott free was a big injustice. 

And I wasn't aware, or forgot, about the Latasha Harlins murder. Unreal that the judge changed that sentencing to probabtion. Just unthinkable. All those things adding up with the history of the LAPD and the outrage in the black community is easily understandable. Even the clips of the ransacking of that women's apartment was disgusting. 

 
Watched Part 2 and the first half of Part 3 last night. Why wasn't more done by the LAPD after the numerous calls to them by Nicole when OJ was beating her?

 
MattFancy said:
Watched Part 2 and the first half of Part 3 last night. Why wasn't more done by the LAPD after the numerous calls to them by Nicole when OJ was beating her?
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Because he was OJ and being a major celebrity in Los Angeles has its perks.  It also helped that he was very buddy buddy with the police and one of his best friends Shipp was a cop. If I understood it correctly, Shipp was largely responsible for making sure OJ didn't get in trouble when he fled from the cops one time.

Hell if you believe Mark Furman he was involved in a domestic incident with OJ and Nicole in 1985 and couldn't do anything because Nicole wouldn't press charges. 

 
Carl Douglas had the line of the entire 3 shows so far IMO...he basically said "If the jury was Latino we would have had O.J. wearing Sombreros in the photos."

This in reference to them adding pictures of OJ in his house with African Americans as prior to the jury walking thru the house, it was mostly filled of OJ with famous white people. 

Several of OJ's legal team are deceased so maybe Carl is stealing some thunder but he has some of the best POV in the doc so far. 

Watching the chase, the letter that Kardashian reads, gun to the head in the Bronco, not sure how I ever thought for a second that perhaps he didn't do it but hired someone else to carry it out...seems impossible now. Blood trails everywhere, blood trail that coincided with the cut on his hand, but like many of those people lining the street to his house I think the media circus got the best of most folks.  

The people on the overpass and in Brentwood lining the streets...that just seems impossible to happen now. 

 
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I just remember watching this all unfold on TV that night and thinking, are we all going to actually witness a suicide of one of the county's most famous celebrities on Live TV?  It was all so surreal.

 
Billy Bats said:
With about 20 officers standing around as backup and watching, I'm pretty sure he could've been detained. The beating should've stopped long before it did, very wrong and way over the top IMO. And to have the trial where it was and to let the cops off Scott free was a big injustice. 

And I wasn't aware, or forgot, about the Latasha Harlins murder. Unreal that the judge changed that sentencing to probabtion. Just unthinkable. All those things adding up with the history of the LAPD and the outrage in the black community is easily understandable. Even the clips of the ransacking of that women's apartment was disgusting. 
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I wonder if the King case is where the “I feared for my life” BS started. I noticed one of the officers said that line in the documentary.

The Harlins case was disgusting. 1st I’m not sure how the clerk wasn’t convicted of murder instead of manslaughter..she shot the girl in the back of the head as she was walking away, on video no less. 2nd the judge deciding to sentence her to just probation and community service.

 
Yenrub said:
I wonder if the King case is where the “I feared for my life” BS started. I noticed one of the officers said that line in the documentary.

The Harlins case was disgusting. 1st I’m not sure how the clerk wasn’t convicted of murder instead of manslaughter..she shot the girl in the back of the head as she was walking away, on video no less. 2nd the judge deciding to sentence her to just probation and community service.
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To the first:  I don't think so.  That's been around for a long time.

As far as murder vs. manslaughter, wouldn't murder have to have been premeditated?

 
Who was the idiot bald guy talking about them golfing? I missed part where they started talking to this clown. Man what a doosh, fawned over on like a little @@###

 
Psychopav said:
To the first:  I don't think so.  That's been around for a long time.

As far as murder vs. manslaughter, wouldn't murder have to have been premeditated?
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Not a lawyer but I think premeditation is required for murder 1 but not murder 2 

 
Todem said:
It's crazy to watch a young 18 year kid in OJ evolve into what he is right now. I sincerely believe he at one time really had it all together. He was driven, focused, and knew exactly what he wanted. He then fell into the Hollywood black hole and apparently had some serious anger issues that Nicole Brown brought out of him.




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I agree that it seemed like he had it all together at one point. Then later, not so much. I wonder if he was affected by CTE from playing football. He definitely took repeated blows to the head, and a lot of former football players seem to end up with mental problems of one sort or another.

 
irish eyes said:
So the cops covered up stuff so oj didn't get in trouble. Then they framed him??? Ok
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IDK, but Fuhrman is a real POS of a human being.  Seems to have a lot in common with OJ, IMO.  Both opportunistic predators that play the "poor me" card when the world finds out how ####ty they are.

 
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