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You think ESPN knows what ADP is?
I would begin thinking about taking him if he dropped to the 7th but I would have to have a decent WR corp to take him. I can't see building a WR corp around him though.Exactly. This is the station that held a FF draft last year and Susie Kolber took Brett Favre in the second round. When everyone laughed at her she said she did it because she knew he would have a great year. She couldn't get it through her thick skull that no matter what kind of year she thought he would have she could have had him in the 7th round instead of the 2nd.
I would begin considering Larry Johnson in the seventh, but with all those changes on the offensive line, I wouldn't want to build my RB "corp" [sic] around him.
Do you REALLY believe those situations are similar? There is a difference between drafting a guy you know will play (just not sure how he will produce) vs. drafting a guy who may or may not be on the field because of his childish antics. I don't question his ability in the least. But that ability does exactly NOTHING if he's sitting on the bench. It's the whole risk/reward argument. I want a relatively sure thing for my WR1, not someone I have to worry about making it onto the field.I would begin considering Larry Johnson in the seventh, but with all those changes on the offensive line, I wouldn't want to build my RB "corp" [sic] around him.
That's ridiculous. Anyone dumb enough to touch him before the 16th round deserves what they get.
Good lord I'm stupid this morning."Just this morning?"OK, even moreso than usual."Talk to yourself much?"On occasion.
Heard the ESPN comments being discussed.The commentator specifically said that considering where TO's ADP is, he was not draftable. The commentator clarified the ADP he was talking about, by saying ESPN's tracking shows TO being drafted on average with the 12th pick, thus making him a selection at the end of the 1st, beginning of the 2nd round.His advice was basically let someone else make that mistake.
I knew you would be in here defending TO. TO is certainly draftable, but he comes with a lot of risk. I'd take several other receivers before him.
They referenced it in the story.
Last year I took that exact approach and was paid for it when it counts..THE PLAYOFFS. (I don't know about your leagues but the leagues I play in this is where the money is made.) T.O. wasn't there, I lost in the first round. I will not draft him as a second WR this year which means I won't look at him till round 6 or later.
Your team is going to suck.
Ouch. ESPN "experts" are choosing TO 12th overall?Thats not too gouda.
You might be right.And you might be wrong.That's the problem with cristal balls. Both those players are ball breakers.
No....The ADP of ESPN Leagues they said TO was 12th people are just bashing ESPN to bash them because no way TO should go first round.
That's why I didn't reply to his, anyone who can say a team will suck or not, really has no idea that it's all a guessing game. I'll be more than happy taking on TO and MOSS where I did. Worst case is they are a bust (unlikely) but would much rather take them than reaching for a WR or RB in late 2nd and 3rd.Plus, having LJ first round helped me (and the fact we MUST start 3 WR)!
I agree. Too bad nobody did say that....
Reason why I said it is because you're obviously drafting early. Unless your league is only starting one rb, you just screwed yourself out of many good rbs that are still on the board. That means you aren't drafting your rb2/rb3 until what...late 4th/early 5th? Who are you going to get? Also, with the questions that TO has and the fact that Moss is looking like a bust (thanks to Brooks), you're in for a rough season.
No.The ESPN comment on TO's ADP being 12th, is pulled from their data base of on going drafts.
So, you got to the playoffs without him? Great. Perfect support for the argument that you can take a chance on him and not suck if he doesn't pan out. You managed to make the playoffs with no T.O. So his absence was the ONLY reason you lost in the playoffs? It wasn't that a few of your other players, the guys who got you to the playoffs, failed to put up numbers that week?
Can you name some? Are there six rounds worth of receivers you'd take ahead of him, like some in this thread claim?
No, they're not that similar at all. Owens didn't put up a zero for anyone last year. He may have been on your bench, but at least you knew to put someone else in. If you draft a guy like LJ, and he busts, not only will he hurt your team by not living up to his expectations, he'll also hurt your team because you won't be able to bench your 1.1 pick. I'd much rather draft a guy whose downside is "might not play" than a guy whose downside is "might suck when he plays". Of course, I don't think there's much risk that Owens won't play. I don't think Parcells is stupid, and I think that team is going to be very good with Owens. By the way, in the past I've been accused of thinking this way because I owned Owens. I owned him in exactly one league last year, and as of last night, I no longer own him. I traded him for Rudi Johnson straight up in a keeper league where I was strong at receiver but my only keeper back was Dom Davis, and the other guy had no receivers but was strong at RB. So in the interests of full disclosure, I'm not defending "my guy", and while I admittedly traded him, I didn't trade him for peanuts, either.Do you REALLY believe those situations are similar? There is a difference between drafting a guy you know will play (just not sure how he will produce) vs. drafting a guy who may or may not be on the field because of his childish antics. I don't question his ability in the least. But that ability does exactly NOTHING if he's sitting on the bench. It's the whole risk/reward argument. I want a relatively sure thing for my WR1, not someone I have to worry about making it onto the field.I would begin considering Larry Johnson in the seventh, but with all those changes on the offensive line, I wouldn't want to build my RB "corp" [sic] around him.
Where was the media and ESPN when Steve Smith was missing more practices than T.O. did with a similar(hamstring) injury?
Here are the live draft results; he's dropped to 16 now.http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/livedraftresults?position=ALL
League starts two RB but also three WR plus it's a small league (two bailed out this year, making it only a 10 team league).There are question marks with EVERY player if you want to find them. I have LJ as my RB#1 with very solid RB#2 (TJones/DFoster/Betts). With starting 3 WR every week, no way was I going to reach for an iffy RB#2 end of second round/beginning of third. That makes ZERO sense.
Sure I can name some. Holt, SSmith, C Johnson, Fitzgerald, Boldin, Wayne, Harrison, Roy Williams, Driver, Chambers, Ward, D. Jackson, Moss, etc. Are there six rounds worth of receivers I'd take before him, no.
for the most part. I definitely think if TO drops past the first 6-7 WR taken, he is great value. And he really isn't a bad pick earlier than that, he just offers huge risk when others are a lot safer. He could easily be the #1 WR at the end of the year. How many WR can you say that about? However, as many have pointed out, he could also create a myriad of problems for the Cowboys and be on the bench by the end of the year. As a hard core EAgles fan I also have another perspective. I would never draft TO. He sickens me, and I could never root for him to do well, especially against the EAgles. I don't think he will be the #1 WR this year, because I just don't see him staying healthy and coexisting with Parcells for a whole season. I don't think he just wants to win, and I think he is extremely selfish and needs to be the focus of attention at all times. Andy Reid and McNabb handled the TO situation very professionally, and I really don't think that Parcells will be able to handle it any better. Last year's situation was more about not getting the credit TO felt he deserved, and having to live with McNabb being the best player on the team. He had to be paid like the best player to compensate for this realization. Having a psychology degree, it is very difficult to try to understand where TO's motivation comes from, but I don't think it about money, as much as respect and attention. The bottom line is, as much as I dislike him, it is hard for me to look at the situation objectively. Personally, I will stay away from him for many reasons, but he COULD outscore everyone else at his position.
That Eagle-Cowboy game on 10/8 is going to be must see TV!
