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Everyone always lists the same RBs in their Top 10 (1 Viewer)

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I'm going out on a limb here

People need to think outside the box sometimes

1. Tomlinson - the best RB in football, period

2. Larry Johnson - a beast, he will be Football's David Wright and live up to the hype

3. Ronnie Brown - the next Tomlinson in my opinion

4. Steven Jackson - he's gonna put it together in Linehan's offense

5. Clinton Portis - perfect runner for the Chiefs style offense

6. Rudi Johnson - Underrated..

7. Willis McGahee - I dont really like Willis, i just think he's out to prove he's no joke off last years' debacle

8. Shaun Alexander - he will still be a RB1, just not the uber stud he has been.

9. DeAngelo Williams - I really think this kid is gonna be something special, and I dont care who is ahead of him on the depth chart

10. Julius Jones - this is just a hunch, I think he'll stay healthy this year for the first time and be very productive

No Edge, No Tiki, No Lamont Jordan

I just think that Tomlinson and LJ are the most talented backs in the league, and I think Ronnie Brown and Steven Jackson are going to GO OFF this year....Portis will be awesome too.

I think Shaun Alexander is on the downswing now, just have that gut feeling.

I dunno, I normally go with my instincts

I think DeAngelo is gonna be a STUD.....THIS year.

I'm sure there will be plenty of rolling eyes and whatever else you guys say and do to people's posts, but I just wanted to toss out a different top 10 list than everyone else.

 
7. Willis McGahee - I dont really like Willis, i just think he's out to prove he's no joke off last years' debacle8. Shaun Alexander - he will still be a RB1, just not the uber stud he has been.
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If you were to receive $1M based on getting one question right, and the question was "who will score more FPs this year, Willis McGahee or Shaun Alexander?", who would you pick?
 
7. Willis McGahee - I dont really like Willis, i just think he's out to prove he's no joke off last years' debacle

8. Shaun Alexander - he will still be a RB1, just not the uber stud he has been.
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If you were to receive $1M based on getting one question right, and the question was "who will score more FPs this year, Willis McGahee or Shaun Alexander?", who would you pick?
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:goodposting: While I admire you for being creative and trying to go against the mainstream picks, your reasoning is based only on "gut reactions" not stats or schedules or any hard research, so it's hard for me to take it seriously. GL this year.

 
If you're saying that some of the RBs on the consensus (or "everyone's") top 10 list will not be top 10 in 2006, you'll find a lot of agreement in this forum.

The problem is that it is hard to pick which RB not on the list should be added, and which on the list should be removed.

Of course, it's possible for McGahee or DeAngelo Williams to finish as a top 10 RB, and for Alexander to fall out of the top 5. It's just not very likely. And the odds of all three of these predictions coming true are remote. Remember the adage, "You can't win your fantasy league in the first few rounds, but you can lose it."

There's a reason most people draft conservatively early in the draft: it works.

 
I applaud your brute honesty if that is truly the way you think they'll finish this year, but if you're being different just for the sake of being different, I just can't get behind that.

 
i mean if i KNEW what was going to happen, then i wouldnt be posting it on a message board

id be in Vegas plopping down every dime i could locate

but i could see things unfolding this way

i've never been a big fan of Alexander and it seems as though every year the team that loses the superbowl goes in the tank the next season, i could DEFINITELY see that happening with seattle.

we will see what happens

this is how i think the season will shake out

maybe i'll bump it in January and see how right I was

or maybe i'll bump it and see how much of a moron i was

time will tell....

Loop

 
i mean if i KNEW what was going to happen, then i wouldnt be posting it on a message board

id be in Vegas plopping down every dime i could locate

but i could see things unfolding this way

i've never been a big fan of Alexander and it seems as though every year the team that loses the superbowl goes in the tank the next season, i could DEFINITELY see that happening with seattle.

we will see what happens

this is how i think the season will shake out

maybe i'll bump it in January and see how right I was

or maybe i'll bump it and see how much of a moron i was

time will tell....

Loop
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I'll give you this much -- if you actually draft your team following your list and you are correct, you're going to be the favorite to win any league you're in unless you totally whiff at the other positions.Good luck.

 
I'm going out on a limb here

People need to think outside the box sometimes

1. Tomlinson - the best RB in football, period

2. Larry Johnson - a beast, he will be Football's David Wright and live up to the hype

3. Ronnie Brown - the next Tomlinson in my opinion

4. Steven Jackson - he's gonna put it together in Linehan's offense

5. Clinton Portis - perfect runner for the Chiefs style offense

6. Rudi Johnson - Underrated..

7. Willis McGahee - I dont really like Willis, i just think he's out to prove he's no joke off last years' debacle

8. Shaun Alexander - he will still be a RB1, just not the uber stud he has been. 

9. DeAngelo Williams - I really think this kid is gonna be something special, and I dont care who is ahead of him on the depth chart

10. Julius Jones - this is just a hunch, I think he'll stay healthy this year for the first time and be very productive

No Edge, No Tiki, No Lamont Jordan

I just think that Tomlinson and LJ are the most talented backs in the league, and I think Ronnie Brown and Steven Jackson are going to GO OFF this year....Portis will be awesome too.

I like your guts except for 3 and 10 are horribly off in the wrong direction.

I think Shaun Alexander is on the downswing now, just have that gut feeling.

I dunno, I normally go with my instincts

I think DeAngelo is gonna be a STUD.....THIS year.

I'm sure there will be plenty of rolling eyes and whatever else you guys say and do to people's posts, but I just wanted to toss out a different top 10 list than everyone else.
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Top-10's aren't the same as mock drafts. People land the top-10 RBs with about 70% accuracy. The draft is much more of a tossup based on unforseen moves, etc.Regardless, the top-10 producing RBs will be (according to me):

1) LJ

2) Portis

3) LT

4) SA

5) Barber

6) Cadillac

7) Dom Davis

8) Westbrook

9) Jackson

10) Rudi Johnson

Rating Rudi higher is admirable, except for the fact that beyond his solid rushing yardage, he has clubs for hands and doesn't catch footballs unless they happen to lodge themselves between his immobile club arms. That will keep him forever out of the top 5.

Cool to think out of the box though.

It is not that common that a rookie will burst on the scene and put up anything more than solid rushing totals, and pretty rare that a RB who puts up solid or even jaw-dropping rushing numbers will also put up solid receiving yardage (50 recept).

That is one reason why you don't see many RB1 rookies ever.

However, RB2, I love DWill and LenDale both this year. :thumbup:

 
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I think Shaun Alexander is on the downswing now, just have that gut feeling.

I dunno, I normally go with my instincts
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I love it when people think outside the box and present contrary views. I do not love it when people's only rational for these views is "gut instinct." I would love to hear some different top 10 RB rankings, but you need to present a compelling case for it to mean anything to us. Instead of just writing one short sentence on each player, write a solid paragraph on all of your "outside the box" picks and tell us why you feel that way and try to convince us.
 
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Rating Rudi higher is admirable, except for the fact that beyond his solid rushing yardage, he has clubs for hands and doesn't catch footballs unless they happen to lodge themselves between his immobile club arms. That will keep him forever out of the top 5.
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Peter King was on Buffalo radio a few weeks ago saying people who say a RB can't catch don't know what they are talking about most of the time. If a coach prefers not to call passes to him, or prefers to use a different 3rd down back it is always labelled as "the RB can't catch". His point: who can't catch a swing pass out of the backfield?For reference

Rudi's career: 90 targets, 65 catches: 72%

Tomlinson last 4 years (all FBG has for data): 380 targets, 283 catches: 74%

Alexander last 4 years: 204 targets, 139 catches: 68%

Barber last 4 years: 341 targets, 244 catches: 72%

 
Rating Rudi higher is admirable, except for the fact that beyond his solid rushing yardage, he has clubs for hands and doesn't catch footballs unless they happen to lodge themselves between his immobile club arms.  That will keep him forever out of the top 5.
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Peter King was on Buffalo radio a few weeks ago saying people who say a RB can't catch don't know what they are talking about most of the time. If a coach prefers not to call passes to him, or prefers to use a different 3rd down back it is always labelled as "the RB can't catch". His point: who can't catch a swing pass out of the backfield?For reference

Rudi's career: 90 targets, 65 catches: 72%

Tomlinson last 4 years (all FBG has for data): 380 targets, 283 catches: 74%

Alexander last 4 years: 204 targets, 139 catches: 68%

Barber last 4 years: 341 targets, 244 catches: 72%
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:goodposting: I have Rudi as RB6 in non-PPR scoring.

 
I'm going out on a limb here

People need to think outside the box sometimes

1. Tomlinson - the best RB in football, period

2. Larry Johnson - a beast, he will be Football's David Wright and live up to the hype

3. Ronnie Brown - the next Tomlinson in my opinion

4. Steven Jackson - he's gonna put it together in Linehan's offense

5. Clinton Portis - perfect runner for the Chiefs style offense

6. Rudi Johnson - Underrated..

7. Willis McGahee - I dont really like Willis, i just think he's out to prove he's no joke off last years' debacle

8. Shaun Alexander - he will still be a RB1, just not the uber stud he has been. 

9. DeAngelo Williams - I really think this kid is gonna be something special, and I dont care who is ahead of him on the depth chart

10. Julius Jones - this is just a hunch, I think he'll stay healthy this year for the first time and be very productive

No Edge, No Tiki, No Lamont Jordan

I just think that Tomlinson and LJ are the most talented backs in the league, and I think Ronnie Brown and Steven Jackson are going to GO OFF this year....Portis will be awesome too.

I think Shaun Alexander is on the downswing now, just have that gut feeling.

I dunno, I normally go with my instincts

I think DeAngelo is gonna be a STUD.....THIS year.

I'm sure there will be plenty of rolling eyes and whatever else you guys say and do to people's posts, but I just wanted to toss out a different top 10 list than everyone else.
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:goodposting: great list! not sure I agree 100% with ALL of your selections, I think you're right that too many times fantasy mags/sites/forums have vanilla top ten lists, and they're all the same..I thought Lamont was a bust last year,until I realized that he did remarkably well for a guy missing the #1 WR in the game, Moss, for most of the season, he had Kerry friggin Collins throwing to him ( Collins is such a good QB, they signed Brooks and let Kerry walk! and, Colins is still unemployed)

, the Raiders finished 27 in Time of Possession, so making 70 catches when your team almost NEVER has the ball, is amazing..he also finished in the top 15 in rush yards, top 10 in rush tds..all for a guy on a team with many team injuries,bad o-line, and

Mickey Mouse at QB..

while I do think Jordan's receptions will drop to around 30-35 this year, his rushes will almost certainly go WAY up, in the 335-350 range, imo..Also, he is one of only approximately 9 NFL teams that DON'T use RBBC..that is worth its weight in gold, when measuring RB value, and, thats why I like another selection of yours, McGahee! he's guaranteed 300+ carrries, too..what's more, his value relative to where he'll likely be drafted is outstanding, as everyone is bigtime down on McGahee after he floundered last year..

I like your gutsy prediction of a drop-off in stats for SA..I'm right there with ya! losing Hutch will hurt, no doubt..The losing team in the SB has failed to make the playoffs every year since 2000, I believe, and word is that Seattle wants to pass more in 2006..Alexander's 28 tds last year can't possibly be duplicated, can it? no way, imo..he also signed a PHAT contract in the offseason, so you wonder about the fire in his belly for this year and beyond..will he still play with reckless abandon?

and for the superstitious, SA is on the cover of Madden AND FI magazine.a double

whammy for the voodoo crowd..lol

 
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Rating Rudi higher is admirable, except for the fact that beyond his solid rushing yardage, he has clubs for hands and doesn't catch footballs unless they happen to lodge themselves between his immobile club arms.  That will keep him forever out of the top 5.
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Peter King was on Buffalo radio a few weeks ago saying people who say a RB can't catch don't know what they are talking about most of the time. If a coach prefers not to call passes to him, or prefers to use a different 3rd down back it is always labelled as "the RB can't catch". His point: who can't catch a swing pass out of the backfield?For reference

Rudi's career: 90 targets, 65 catches: 72%

Tomlinson last 4 years (all FBG has for data): 380 targets, 283 catches: 74%

Alexander last 4 years: 204 targets, 139 catches: 68%

Barber last 4 years: 341 targets, 244 catches: 72%
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Interesting theory, however I think the career 5.4 ypr might have a little bit to do with it.Being able to catch the ball is one thing, but doing something with it is another.

Either way, the same point should have gotten across: RBs who don't add receiving numbers handicap themselves in FF.

 
We all know that on average the Top 10 changes by about 50% from year to year. And I've tried explaining to people that a lot of that is a direct result of injuries. Guys that are healthy and play more obviously have a better chance to rank Top 10 than guys that don't.

Look at some of the non-returning Top 10 RB from reent years: Lewis, Holmes, Faulk, Martin, Dillon, Davis, Westbrook, Taylor, McAllister, Green, etc. all fell out of the Top 10 due to injuries.

Without a crystal ball, it's pretty hard to decipher who will fall out or be able to get in the Top 10.

A great predictor of Top 10 ranking is workload. THose that get a ton of touches stand a lot greater chance of Top 10 status, so if you can figure out who will be healthy and get a lot of touches, the Top 10 list will be mostly comprised of those guys.

 
I'm going out on a limb here

People need to think outside the box sometimes

1. Tomlinson - the best RB in football, period

2. Larry Johnson - a beast, he will be Football's David Wright and live up to the hype

3. Ronnie Brown - the next Tomlinson in my opinion

4. Steven Jackson - he's gonna put it together in Linehan's offense

5. Clinton Portis - perfect runner for the Chiefs style offense

6. Rudi Johnson - Underrated..

7. Willis McGahee - I dont really like Willis, i just think he's out to prove he's no joke off last years' debacle

8. Shaun Alexander - he will still be a RB1, just not the uber stud he has been. 

9. DeAngelo Williams - I really think this kid is gonna be something special, and I dont care who is ahead of him on the depth chart

10. Julius Jones - this is just a hunch, I think he'll stay healthy this year for the first time and be very productive

No Edge, No Tiki, No Lamont Jordan

I just think that Tomlinson and LJ are the most talented backs in the league, and I think Ronnie Brown and Steven Jackson are going to GO OFF this year....Portis will be awesome too.

I think Shaun Alexander is on the downswing now, just have that gut feeling.

I dunno, I normally go with my instincts

I think DeAngelo is gonna be a STUD.....THIS year.

I'm sure there will be plenty of rolling eyes and whatever else you guys say and do to people's posts, but I just wanted to toss out a different top 10 list than everyone else.
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:goodposting: great list! not sure I agree 100% with ALL of your selections, I think you're right that too many times fantasy mags/sites/forums have vanilla top ten lists, and they're all the same..I thought Lamont was a bust last year,until I realized that he did remarkably well for a guy missing the #1 WR in the game, Moss, for most of the season, he had Kerry friggin Collins throwing to him ( Collins is such a good QB, they signed Brooks and let Kerry walk! and, Colins is still unemployed)

, the Raiders finished 27 in Time of Possession, so making 70 catches when your team almost NEVER has the ball, is amazing..he also finished in the top 15 in rush yards, top 10 in rush tds..all for a guy on a team with many team injuries,bad o-line, and

Mickey Mouse at QB..

while I do think Jordan's receptions will drop to around 30-35 this year, his rushes will almost certainly go WAY up, in the 335-350 range, imo..Also, he is one of only approximately 9 NFL teams that DON'T use RBBC..that is worth its weight in gold, when measuring RB value, and, thats why I like another selection of yours, McGahee! he's guaranteed 300+ carrries, too..what's more, his value relative to where he'll likely be drafted is outstanding, as everyone is bigtime down on McGahee after he floundered last year..

I like your gutsy prediction of a drop-off in stats for SA..I'm right there with ya! losing Hutch will hurt, no doubt..The losing team in the SB has failed to make the playoffs every year since 2000, I believe, and word is that Seattle wants to pass more in 2006..Alexander's 28 tds last year can't possibly be duplicated, can it? no way, imo..he also signed a PHAT contract in the offseason, so you wonder about the fire in his belly for this year and beyond..will he still play with reckless abandon?

and for the superstitious, SA is on the cover of Madden AND FI magazine.a double

whammy for the voodoo crowd..lol
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What are the 9 you are referring to? Just curious
 
Seahawks

Rams

Cardinals

Panthers

Bucs

Giants

Redskins

Eagles

Chiefs

Chargers

Raiders

Texans

Ravens

Bengals

Patriots

Bills

Jets

Even taking out my own bias, I still count 11 teams that won't be using RBBC.

 
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I wouldn't include the Ravens in that list till we see some games to determine how they will utilize Anderson.

 
I'm going out on a limb here

People need to think outside the box sometimes

1. Tomlinson - the best RB in football, period

2. Larry Johnson - a beast, he will be Football's David Wright and live up to the hype

3. Ronnie Brown - the next Tomlinson in my opinion

4. Steven Jackson - he's gonna put it together in Linehan's offense

5. Clinton Portis - perfect runner for the Chiefs style offense

6. Rudi Johnson - Underrated..

7. Willis McGahee - I dont really like Willis, i just think he's out to prove he's no joke off last years' debacle

8. Shaun Alexander - he will still be a RB1, just not the uber stud he has been.

9. DeAngelo Williams - I really think this kid is gonna be something special, and I dont care who is ahead of him on the depth chart

10. Julius Jones - this is just a hunch, I think he'll stay healthy this year for the first time and be very productive

No Edge, No Tiki, No Lamont Jordan

I just think that Tomlinson and LJ are the most talented backs in the league, and I think Ronnie Brown and Steven Jackson are going to GO OFF this year....Portis will be awesome too.

I think Shaun Alexander is on the downswing now, just have that gut feeling.

I dunno, I normally go with my instincts

I think DeAngelo is gonna be a STUD.....THIS year.

I'm sure there will be plenty of rolling eyes and whatever else you guys say and do to people's posts, but I just wanted to toss out a different top 10 list than everyone else.
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i just don't see how you can leave Tiki Barber out of your Top 10 and put D'Anagelo Williams in.i agree that Rudi Johnson is one of the most underrated RB's but I also think the Bengals will have to find a way to put Chris Perry on the field.

 
ok good points made by all

to answer the Tiki debate, I think he is a year older and the Giants have a bit of a tougher schedule this year and I live in NJ, and hear that Tiki wants his touches lessened and they plan on giving Brandon Jacobs more of a prominent role in this year's offense (No link, saw it on YES in an interview) Whether thats just preseason garbage talk or the truth, who knows....but its something to consider.

whatever the case may be, I dont have pages and pages of stats and schematics and bunson burners lined up with concoctions of reasoning, i just watch a lot of football and this is how i feel.

I didnt ask anyone to follow my lead and I didn't say I was the all knowing.

just trying to present an alternate angle for some fellas

This message board holds a TON of smart football minds, and I just enjoy being a part of it and sparking a debate

and to the guy who thinks that I thought Portis played for the Chiefs, come on man

I said the Chiefs style offense, does it have a name? The Al Saunders offense, there ya go.

 
Seahawks

Rams

Cardinals

Panthers

Bucs

Giants

Redskins

Eagles

Chiefs

Chargers

Raiders

Texans

Ravens

Bengals

Patriots

Bills

Jets

Even taking out my own bias, I still count 11 teams that won't be using RBBC.
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Just wondering why you think Cincy will be RBBC. Over the past 3 years, Rudi's averaged 304 carries a season, including 2003 when he had 214 attempts after Dillon was hurt. Is it the Chris Perry factor? Perry may see more action, as he's talented, I just can't see him cutting into Rudi's numbers enough to lower Rudi's carries to under 300. Perry's also got to stay healthy.

 
for one I sure hope he is right. I made a bad trade last year leaving my two keepers as steve smith and Julius Jones, instead of steve smith and portis.

It is gonna be tough to keep up with the likes of some of my competition having LJ and LT on one team, another having JAX and Tiki!!! :eek:

I have the fourth pick so I am trying to look for RB's that will be there and a good option for RB2 (basically RB1a, cause i dont know how JJ will hold up)

good thread guy, I like seeing who is there after the top 10

 
Yes I was. I didn't pay attention to "Chiefs style" in his assessment and figured he made a very striking error.
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no biggie, it happens to all of us at some pointi don't see how changing the offensive coordinator is going to help portis and his ff production this year. he'll be great (as he was last year) but those FBG's looking at +15 TD's this year for him are reaching
 
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