Everyone's always talking about goalline vultures (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

I'm always reading about how we should damper our expectations about this RB or that RB because someone else is going to vulture their TDs at the goalline. Steve Slaton's only the latest example of this. I'm wondering how many of these situations actually occur. Here's my thought:

If you took a team's drives for TDs throughout a season, how many of those drives do you think actually involved a first, second, or third and goal from the two yard line or less? I honestly don't know the answer. But if it's a small number, is this something that we should really worry about? Again. I don't know the answer, but sometimes I'm wondering if we're really worrying about this stuff for no big reason.

 

[pollardsvision]

I'm always reading about how we should damper our expectations about this RB or that RB because someone else is going to vulture their TDs at the goalline. Steve Slaton's only the latest example of this. I'm wondering how many of these situations actually occur. Here's my thought:If you took a team's drives for TDs throughout a season, how many of those drives do you think actually involved a first, second, or third and goal from the two yard line or less? I honestly don't know the answer. But if it's a small number, is this something that we should really worry about? Again. I don't know the answer, but sometimes I'm wondering if we're really worrying about this stuff for no big reason.

In Slaton's case, 4 of his 9 TDs came from the 1 or 2 yard line.

 

[lyon812]

I think it affects the value, but isn't as worrisome as some people make it out to be. Imagine if Chris Johnson had Lendale White's touchdowns.

 

[timschochet]

I think it affects the value, but isn't as worrisome as some people make it out to be. Imagine if Chris Johnson had Lendale White's touchdowns.

That would make Chris Johnson the #1 pick in redrafts, right?

 

[timschochet]

I'm always reading about how we should damper our expectations about this RB or that RB because someone else is going to vulture their TDs at the goalline. Steve Slaton's only the latest example of this. I'm wondering how many of these situations actually occur. Here's my thought:If you took a team's drives for TDs throughout a season, how many of those drives do you think actually involved a first, second, or third and goal from the two yard line or less? I honestly don't know the answer. But if it's a small number, is this something that we should really worry about? Again. I don't know the answer, but sometimes I'm wondering if we're really worrying about this stuff for no big reason.

In Slaton's case, 4 of his 9 TDs came from the 1 or 2 yard line.

That was last year, but that doesn't mean the team's going to face similar situations this year, right? Let's say Houston gets the ball first and goal from the 6. Now if they're going to take Slaton out in THAT situation, we really have a problem. But if they don't, and they hand off to Slaton, it seems to me that there are three likely possibilities:1. He gets 1-2 yards, which might put the team in a passing situation.2. He runs it in for a TD.3. He runs it all the way to the 1 yard line, but gets stopped there. Now, according to the naysayers, at this point Houston will take Slaton out and put in Chris Brown. We don't know if this is true, but even if it is, how often is #3 going to happen, as opposed to #1 or #2?Slaton, of course, is just an example. You can put most RB1s in this same situation.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I'm always reading about how we should damper our expectations about this RB or that RB because someone else is going to vulture their TDs at the goalline. Steve Slaton's only the latest example of this. I'm wondering how many of these situations actually occur. Here's my thought:If you took a team's drives for TDs throughout a season, how many of those drives do you think actually involved a first, second, or third and goal from the two yard line or less? I honestly don't know the answer. But if it's a small number, is this something that we should really worry about? Again. I don't know the answer, but sometimes I'm wondering if we're really worrying about this stuff for no big reason.

Ask Chris Johnson owners and remember when Bettis was playing. It depends on the skill set of the players in question.

 

[doomsdaydoc]

there are many TD vultures in history and currently-

Barry Sanders lost many short TD runs

Leroy Hoard used to take Robert Smith's carries within the 5 yard line

Jerome Bettis was the ultimate vulture in his last 2 seasons and took numerous short TD runs from Duce Staley and Willie Parker

MJD got his start vulturing TDs from Fred Taylor and before him Stacey Mack and Greg Jones were stealing Taylor's scores. Ron Dayne vultured many from Tiki Barber and later Brandon Jacobs did the same.

Most recently, Lendale White has been a huge vulture

So- when Kubiak says someone is going to take scores from Slaton, we should at least pay attention to this when deciding who is worthy of a first round pick.

 

[pollardsvision]

I'm always reading about how we should damper our expectations about this RB or that RB because someone else is going to vulture their TDs at the goalline. Steve Slaton's only the latest example of this. I'm wondering how many of these situations actually occur. Here's my thought:

If you took a team's drives for TDs throughout a season, how many of those drives do you think actually involved a first, second, or third and goal from the two yard line or less? I honestly don't know the answer. But if it's a small number, is this something that we should really worry about? Again. I don't know the answer, but sometimes I'm wondering if we're really worrying about this stuff for no big reason.

In Slaton's case, 4 of his 9 TDs came from the 1 or 2 yard line.

That was last year, but that doesn't mean the team's going to face similar situations this year, right? Let's say Houston gets the ball first and goal from the 6. Now if they're going to take Slaton out in THAT situation, we really have a problem. But if they don't, and they hand off to Slaton, it seems to me that there are three likely possibilities:1. He gets 1-2 yards, which might put the team in a passing situation.

2. He runs it in for a TD.

3. He runs it all the way to the 1 yard line, but gets stopped there. Now, according to the naysayers, at this point Houston will take Slaton out and put in Chris Brown. We don't know if this is true, but even if it is, how often is #3 going to happen, as opposed to #1 or #2?

Slaton, of course, is just an example. You can put most RB1s in this same situation.

I was just giving an example pertaining to the bolded question.What each coach will do in any particular situation is a very different question.

What the coach decides to do absolutely matters though. Sometimes the affect isn't as big, but it still matters.

 

[timschochet]

there are many TD vultures in history and currently-Barry Sanders lost many short TD runsLeroy Hoard used to take Robert Smith's carries within the 5 yard lineJerome Bettis was the ultimate vulture in his last 2 seasons and took numerous short TD runs from Duce Staley and Willie ParkerMJD got his start vulturing TDs from Fred Taylor and before him Stacey Mack and Greg Jones were stealing Taylor's scores. Ron Dayne vultured many from Tiki Barber and later Brandon Jacobs did the same. Most recently, Lendale White has been a huge vultureSo- when Kubiak says someone is going to take scores from Slaton, we should at least pay attention to this when deciding who is worthy of a first round pick.

But are the situations you name the norm? I didn't play fantasy football when Barry Sanders or Robert Smith were playing, but I imagine they were still highly thought of, right? Again, I don't know the answer to this.

 

[nxmehta]

We need a statmaster to answer this question...

 

[fourd]

there are many TD vultures in history and currently-Barry Sanders lost many short TD runsLeroy Hoard used to take Robert Smith's carries within the 5 yard lineJerome Bettis was the ultimate vulture in his last 2 seasons and took numerous short TD runs from Duce Staley and Willie ParkerMJD got his start vulturing TDs from Fred Taylor and before him Stacey Mack and Greg Jones were stealing Taylor's scores. Ron Dayne vultured many from Tiki Barber and later Brandon Jacobs did the same. Most recently, Lendale White has been a huge vultureSo- when Kubiak says someone is going to take scores from Slaton, we should at least pay attention to this when deciding who is worthy of a first round pick.

Can you tell me how many of those that were vultured weren't worthy of a first round pick? The Steelers with Bettis?

 

[UnknownCoach]

For fantasy its overrated. Partially because early in fantasy football players only got points when they scored points in the NFL.

I'd say over half of teams dont even have a designated short yardage RB. Even the ones that do dont always use that back in a short yardage situation. In the redzone, its not short yardage until about the 2 or 3 yard line (down dependant also).

In reality, there are usually less than a handful of serious fantasy TD vultures on any given year in the NFL. These are guys who are really good in short yardage situations and playing behind a RB who for a number of possibe of reasons, isnt given the ball much in those situations. It could be because they want to limit the pounding the primary back takes or because he's much more of an outside runner. It could even be because of fumble tendencies.

Almost every RB will have a TD "vultured" from time to time, but there arent that many full time vultures for the amount of talk that is going around.

 

[jon_mx]

The most famous vulture was William Perry getting the one yard TD instead of Walter Payton in the Super Bowl. And Walter was a tough short yardage runner.

 

[Lord Fantasy]

Some of it depends on play calling, the style of the offense, other weapons, etc. When we think of a goal line it's natural to assume it's going to be a big-### dude barreling straight ahead. But there's lots of ways to score in short yardage situations. To wit: does Larry Fitzgerald "vulture" a Wells/Hightower TD if he catches a jump ball in the corner of the end zone?

 

[argamath]

This used to be a bigger deal in the early days of fantasy football when TDs were all that mattered. Most of the leagues I played in during the late 80s were 6pts for a TD and no points for yardage or receptions.