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Expert Rankings - Top 25 Quarterbacks (1 Viewer)

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Clayton Gray

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As you may remember, the Expert Rankings at the main site include a column for the Message Board. Here is your chance to be included in those Message Board rankings.

To be eligible, you must rank your Top 25 Quarterbacks before noon Eastern on Monday July 5th.

Please number the players and write their first and last names.

Please try to vote in the other positions:

Overall RB WR TE PK Def/ST

Assume you are drafting in a 12 team re-draft league that starts 1 QB, 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE, 1 PK, and 1 Def/ST.

Scoring System

1 pt per 20 yards passing

4 pts per passing TD

1 pt per 10 yards rushing/receiving

6 pts per rushing/receiving TD

-1 per interception

 
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1 D. Culpepper(Min) 4 2 M. Vick(Atl) 9 3 P. Manning(Ind) 6 4 M. Haselbeck(Sea) 4 5 S. McNair(Ten) 9 6 A. Brooks(NO) 8 7 D. McNabb(Phi) 5 8 T. Green(KC) 5 9 M. Bulger(Stl) 810 J. Garcia(Cle) 811 T. Brady(NE) 3 12 B. Favre(GB) 9 13 C. Pennington(NYJ) 314 K. Collins(Oak) 1015 B. Johnson(TB) 8 16 M. Brunell(Was) 7 17 J. Plummer(Den) 10 18 B. Leftwich(Jax) 919 C. Palmer(Cin) 5 20 D. Bledsoe(Buf) 3 21 T. Maddox(Pit) 7 22 J. Harrington(Det) 4 23 D. Carr(Hou) 7 24 J. Delhomme(Car) 3 25 J. McNown(Ari) 6

 
Here we go:1Culpepper, Daunte2Manning, Peyton3Vick, Michael4Hasselbeck, Matt5McNabb, Donovan6McNair, Steve7Bulger, Marc8Brooks, Aaron9Green, Trent10Penington, Chad11Favre, Brett12Brady, Tom13Plummer, Jake14Garcia, Jeff15Leftwich, Byron16Johnson, Brad17Delhomme, Jake18Brunell, Mark19Harrington, Joey20Bledsoe, Drew21Palmer, Carson22Gannon, Rich23Carr, David24Maddox, Tommy25McCown, Josh

 
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01 Daunte Culpepper02 Peyton Manning 03 Michael Vick 04 Steve McNair 05 Matt Hasselbeck 06 Trent Green 07 Brett Favre 08 Tom Brady 09 Marc Bulger 10 Chad Pennington 11 Don McNabb 12 Aaron Brooks 13 Brad Johnson 14 Jeff Garcia 15 Jake Delhomme 16 Byron Leftwich 17 Mark Brunell 18 Jake Plummer 19 Drew Bledsoe 20 Carson Palmer 21 Joey Harrington 22 Josh McCown 23 Quincy Carter 24 Tim Rattay 25 Tommy Maddox

 
1 Daunte Culpepper2 Peyton Manning3 Jeff Garcia4 Aaron Brooks5 Trent Green6 Donovan McNabb7 Steve McNair8 Marc Bulger9 Matt Hasselbeck10 Chad Pennington11 Tom Brady12 Brett Favre13 Quincy Carter14 Michael Vick15 Joey Harrington16 Byron Leftwich17 Brad Johnson18 Mark Brunell19 Drew Bledsoe20 Tim Rattay21 Carson Palmer22 David Carr23 Tommy Maddox24 Eli Manning - R25 Jake Delhomme

 
1 Peyton Manning2 Daunte Culpepper3 Donovan McNabb4 Matt Hasselbeck5 Steve McNair6 Michael Vick7 Trent Green8 Chad Pennington9 Aaron Brooks10 Tom Brady11 Marc Bulger12 Jake Plummer13 Brett Favre14 Drew Bledsoe15 Jeff Garcia16 Kerry Collins17 David Carr18 Jake Delhomme19 Byron Leftwich20 Mark Brunell21 Carson Palmer22 Brad Johnson23 Joey Harrington24 Rex Grossman25 Josh McCown

 
1. Culpepper2. PManning3. Hasselbeck4. Brooks5. Green6. Vick7. McNair8. McNabb9. Garcia10. Bulger11. Brady12. Plummer13. Favre14. Johnson15. Pennington16. Brunell17. Delhomme18. Palmer19. Bledsoe20. Warner21. Feeley22. Leftwich23. Carter24. Carr25. Harrington

 
01 Daunte Culpepper02 Peyton Manning 03 Michael Vick 04 Steve McNair 05 Matt Hasselbeck 06 Trent Green07 Brett Favre 08 Chad Pennington 09 Marc Bulger 10 Carson Palmer 11 Josh McCown 12 Aaron Brooks 13 Don McNabb 14 Jake Delhomme 15 Byron Leftwich 16 Mark Brunell 17 Jake Plummer 18 Eli Manning19 Drew Bledsoe 20 Brad Johnson 21 Joey Harrington 22 Jeff Garcia 23 Tom Brady24 Quincy Carter 25 Tommy Maddox

 
1 Peyton Manning2 Daunte Culpepper3 Matt Hasselbeck4 Donovan McNabb5 Trent Green6 Marc Bulger7 Steve McNair8 Michael Vick9 Aaron Brooks10 Brett Favre11 Jeff Garcia12 Chad Pennington13 Drew Bledsoe14 Jake Plummer15 Tom Brady16 Brad Johnson17 Rich Gannon18 Carson Palmer19 Jake Delhomme20 Byron Leftwich21 Mark Brunell22 David Carr23 Tim Rattay24 Tommy Maddox25 Joey Harrington

 
1 Daunte Culpepper2 Peyton Manning3 Donovan McNabb4 Matt Hasselbeck5 Trent Green6 Michael Vick7 Chad Pennington8 Marc Bulger9 Aaron Brooks10 Brett Favre11 Steve McNair12 Tom Brady13 Jake Plummer14 Byron Leftwich15 Jeff Garcia16 Brad Johnson17 Joey Harrington18 David Carr19 Mark Brunell20 Drew Bledsoe21 Josh McCown22 Carson Palmer23 Kerry Collins24 Rex Grossman25 Jake Delhomme

 
3 Jeff Garcia14 Michael Vick
Any particular reason behind these rankings? (I appreciate that they aren't just cut-and-pasted from ADP).
Regarding Garcia: Couch/Holcombe managed to post 2800+ yards and 17 TDs in 2003. Garcia is a career 60+% passer so I see no reason why he can't improve on those numbers. Further, I have him scrambling 70 times for 300+ yards a few TDs. All told, I think highly of him.Regarding Vick: I recognize that its not popular to 'project injury'. However, I do it. I have Vick actually improving his accuracy (57%) but only passing it 420 times. Further, I 'only' have him scrambling 75 times for 525 yards. Don't get me wrong, if I thought he was going to play 16 games I'd have him right below Culpepper & Manning.
 
01 Michael Vick02 Daunte Culpepper03 Peyton Manning 04 Matt Hasselbeck05 Chad Pennington 06 Donovan McNabb07 Steve McNair 08 Marc Bulger 09 Jeff Garcia 10 Trent Green11 Aaron Brooks 12 Brett Favre 13 Tom Brady 14 Jake Plummer 15 Tommy Maddox 16 Byron Leftwich 17 Mark Brunell 18 Brad Johnson 19 Drew Bledsoe 20 Carson Palmer 21 Joey Harrington 22 Josh McCown 23 Quincy Carter 24 Jake Delhomme 25 David Carr

 
1. Daunte Culpepper2. Peyton Manning3. Matt Hasselbeck4. Chad Pennington5. Donovan McNabb6. Michael Vick7. Trent Green8. Steve McNair9. Marc Bulger10. Aaron Brooks11. Brett Favre12. Tom Brady13. Byron Leftwich14. Jake Plummer15. Jeff Garcia16. Brad Johnson17. Carson Palmer18. Kurt Warner19. Jake Delhomme20. Josh McCown21. Joey Harrington22. Drew Bledsoe23. David Carr24. Tommy Maddox25. Rex Grossman

 
01. Culpepper, Min02. Manning, Ind03. McNabb, Phi04. Green, KC05. Brooks, NO06. Garcia, Cle07. Hasselbeck, Sea08. Bulger, StL09. Vick, Atl10. McNair, Ten11. Brady, NE12. Pennington, NYJ13. Brunell, Was14. Favre, GB15. Fieldler, Mia16. Plummer, Den17. Maddox, Pit18. Carter, Dal19. Leftwich, Jac20. Carr, Hou21. Delhomme, Car22. Palmer, Cin23. Johnson, TB24. Bledsoe, Buf25. Warner, NYG

 
McNair's in almost everyone's top 7, I see, despite coming off a career year, questions about Eddie, the loss of McCareins, the (official) loss of Wycheck, and the improvement of his divisional rivals on defense. Also note that their pass defense was terrible last year, causing them to have to be more aggressive on pass offense. This year, the Titans should be much better on pass D, if only because they'll be healthier. I see the co-MVP falling off sharply this season.

 
McNair's in almost everyone's top 7, I see, despite coming off a career year, questions about Eddie, the loss of McCareins, the (official) loss of Wycheck, and the improvement of his divisional rivals on defense. Also note that their pass defense was terrible last year, causing them to have to be more aggressive on pass offense. This year, the Titans should be much better on pass D, if only because they'll be healthier. I see the co-MVP falling off sharply this season.
Hasn't McNair been a top 10 QB for several years straight? I'm not extremely high on him (7th), but I don't think the McCareins loss will be that huge, and the addition of Troupe will more than offset the loss of an old but effective Wycheck.Add the question marks surrounding the running game, and McNair's ability to score with his legs, and I think anyone ranking McNair outside the top 10 is taking a stab in the dark. As you point out, the guy was MVP of the league last year. Predicting him to finish in the top 10 at his position isn't a reach at all.That's my justification, anyway.
 
My quick thoughts, which are also reflected in my rankings:

Vick is generally too low. Unless you're predicting injury, he's got to be top 2, at worst.

Maddox too low. He was awful last year, and still threw for 3400 and 18. A healthy OL and any improvement from Maddox himself should result in a top 15-20 season statistically.
Pennington too low. This guy is the next great NFL QB, according to many NFL insiders. This is the last year he's ranked outside the top 5.
 
1 Daunte Culpepper2 Peyton Manning3 Donovan McNabb4 Matt Hasselbeck5 Steve McNair6 Michael Vick7 Trent Green8 Tom Brady9 Marc Bulger10 Aaron Brooks11 Jake Plummer12 Brett Favre13 Chad Pennington14 Byron Leftwich15 Drew Bledsoe16 Jeff Garcia17 Joey Harrington18 Josh McCown19 David Carr20 Jake Delhomme21 Mark Brunell22 Tommy Maddox23 Brad Johnson24 Tim Rattay25 Carson Palmer

 
1. Daunte Culpepper2. Peyton Manning3. Michael Vick4. Donovan McNabb5. Matt Hasselbeck6. Aaron Brooks7. Steve McNair8. Marc Bulger9. Trent Green10. Tom Brady11. Brett Favre12. Jake Delholmme13. Chad Pennington14. Jeff Garcia15. Josh McCown16. Brad Johnson17. Byron Leftwich18. Mark Brunnell19. Carson Palmer20. Drew Bledsoe21. Jake Plummer22. Tommy Maddox23. Rich Gannon24. Joey Harrington25. David Carr

 
1. Peyton Manning2. Michael Vick3. Daunte Culpepper4. Matt Hasselbeck5. Steve McNair6. Donovan McNabb7. Brett Favre8. Chad Pennington9. Tom Brady10. Marc Bulger11. Aaron Brooks12. Byron Leftwich13. Jeff Garcia14. Trent Green15. Mark Brunell16. Carson Palmer17. David Carr18. Jake Delhomme19. Joey Harrington20. Jake Plummer21. Brad Johnson22. David Carr23. Kerry Collins24. Drew Bledsoe25. Josh McCownFIF :football:

 
1 Peyton Manning2 Daunte Culpepper3 Matt Hasselbeck4 Aaron Brooks5 Donovan McNabb6 Marc Bulger7 Steve McNair8 Jeff Garcia9 Trent Green10 Michael Vick11 Tom Brady12 Brett Favre13 Chad Pennington14 Brad Johnson15 Mark Brunell16 Tommy Maddox17 Jake Plummer18 Jake Delhomme19 David Carr20 Tim Rattay21 Carson Palmer22 Byron Leftwich23 Kurt Warner24 Drew Bledsoe25 Joey Harrington

 
My quick thoughts, which are also reflected in my rankings:

Vick is generally too low. Unless you're predicting injury, he's got to be top 2, at worst.

Maddox too low. He was awful last year, and still threw for 3400 and 18. A healthy OL and any improvement from Maddox himself should result in a top 15-20 season statistically.
Pennington too low. This guy is the next great NFL QB, according to many NFL insiders. This is the last year he's ranked outside the top 5.
Vick - top 2? Who would you put him ahead of? Peyton Manning, the most consistent QB in the game :no: Dante Culpepper, top 1 in every year he stays healthy has a top running game and better WRs :no: I can see him making top 3 if he stays healthy, but I'd take McNabb ahead of him.The problem with Maddox is once Pittsburgh is out of the playoffs, Ben starts or at least plays more.

Pennington could be top 5, but I'm not ready to put him there just yet. McCareins needs to learn the system, I'm not sold on Santana Moss as an elite WR, Chrebet is over the hill, and Cotchery is under it.

 
My quick thoughts, which are also reflected in my rankings:

Vick is generally too low. Unless you're predicting injury, he's got to be top 2, at worst.

Maddox too low. He was awful last year, and still threw for 3400 and 18. A healthy OL and any improvement from Maddox himself should result in a top 15-20 season statistically.
Pennington too low. This guy is the next great NFL QB, according to many NFL insiders. This is the last year he's ranked outside the top 5.
Vick - top 2? Who would you put him ahead of? Peyton Manning, the most consistent QB in the game :no: Dante Culpepper, top 1 in every year he stays healthy has a top running game and better WRs :no: I can see him making top 3 if he stays healthy, but I'd take McNabb ahead of him.The problem with Maddox is once Pittsburgh is out of the playoffs, Ben starts or at least plays more.

Pennington could be top 5, but I'm not ready to put him there just yet. McCareins needs to learn the system, I'm not sold on Santana Moss as an elite WR, Chrebet is over the hill, and Cotchery is under it.
Good thoughts. I respectfully disagree.1 - see my rankings. I have Vick at #1.

2 - no way Ben gets run this year. If injured, Batch gets the call. Ben is the least ready of the big 3 rookie QBs. And the Steelers should be much improved this year, and contending for a playoff spot. I don't see them falling so far back that games in Dec. don't matter.

3 - I think Pennington is underrated, and shouldn't be discounted too much because the Jets don't have superstars at WR. Other than the big 3 (Vick, Manning, and C-Pepp), I think he's right there with McNabb and Hass at the top of tier 2.

 
1 Daunte Culpepper2 Peyton Manning3 Donovan McNabb4 Matt Hasselbeck5 Trent Green6 Marc Bulger7 Aaron Brooks8 Steve McNair 9 Chad Pennington10 Brett Favre11 Jeff Garcia12 Michael Vick13 Tom Brady 14 Tommy Maddox15 Joey Harrington16 Byron Leftwich17 Brad Johnson18 Mark Brunell19 Drew Bledsoe20 Rich Gannon21 Carson Palmer22 David Carr23 Tim Rattay24 Quincy Carter25 Jake Delhomme

 
1.peyton manning2.daunte culpepper3.donovan mcnabb4.michael vick5.steve mcnair6.matt hasselbeck7.marc bulger8.trent green9.aaronbrooks10.chad pennington11.brett favre12.jeff garcia13. Tom Brady14.Jake Plumer15.Joey Harrington16.ByronLeftwich17.Brad Johnson18. Mark Brunell19.Drew Bledsoe20.Jake Delhomme21. Tommy Maddox22.Rich Gannon23.David Carr24. Carson Palmer25. Josh McCown

 
1. Culpepper2. Manning3. Favre4. McNair5. Hasselbeck6. T. Green7. Brooks8. Bulger9. Pennington10. Brady11. McNabb12. Bledsoe13. Vick14. Plummer15. Brunnell16. Delhomme17. Vick(injury)18. Carr19. Garcia20. Leftwich21. Palmer22. B. Johnson23. Gannon24. Maddox25. McCown

 
1 Daunte Culpepper2 Peyton Manning3 Matt Hasselbeck4 Donovan McNabb5 Michael Vick6 Aaron Brooks7 Chad Pennington8 Steve McNair9 Trent Green10 Brett Favre11 Mark Brunell12 Tom Brady13 Marc Bulger14 Jeff Garcia15 Joey Harrington16 David Carr17 Kurt Warner18 Drew Bledsoe19 Brad Johnson20 Jake Plummer21 Tommy Maddox22 Jake Delhomme23 Jay Fiedler24 Byron Leftwich25 Josh McCown

 
If everyone had the same rankings FF would be pretty dang boring and drafting wouldn't be very fun. Some people will get a kick out of me picking Green and Garcia so high, but I get a kick out of people picking McNair and Bulger as high as they do. So we are even, and thats what makes the draft and FF so much fun :boxing: 1 Manning2 Culpepper3 Vick4 T.Green5 Garcia6 Favre7 McNabb8 Hasselbeck9 Brady10 Pennington11 Brooks12 Gannon13 Bulger14 McNair15 Bledsoe16 Collins17 B.Johnson18 Delhomme19 Plummer20 Carr21 Boller22 Harrington23 Carter24 C.Palmer25 Leftwich

 
1 Daunte Culpepper2 Peyton Manning3 Matt Hasselbeck4 Aaron Brooks 5 Steve McNair 6 Michael Vick7 Donovan McNabb 8 Trent Green9 Chad Pennington10 Marc Bulger 11 Jake Plummer 12 Tom Brady13 Brett Favre14 Jeff Garcia15 Drew Bledsoe16 David Carr17 Josh McCown 18 Tommy Maddox 19 Byron Leftwich20 Patrick Ramsey21 Joey Harrington22 Jake Delhomme23 Carson Palmer24 Tim Rattay25 Brad Johnson

 
1. Daunte Culpepper2. Peyton Manning3. Michael Vick4. Aaron Brooks5. Matt Hasselbeck6. Donovan McNabb7. Steve McNair8. Trent Green9. Chad Pennington10. Tom Brady11. Brett Favre12. Jake Delholmme13. Marc Bulger14. Jeff Garcia15. Josh McCown16. Brad Johnson17. Byron Leftwich18. Mark Brunnell19. Drew Bledsoe20. David Carr21. Jake Plummer22. Tommy Maddox23. Rich Gannon24. Joey Harrington25. Carson Palmer

 
1. Daunte Culpepper, Min2. Peyton Manning, Ind3. Michael Vick, Atl4. Donovan McNabb, Phi5. Matt Hasselbeck, Sea6. Brett Favre, GB7. Steve McNair, Ten8. Trent Green, KC9. Aaron Brooks, NO10. Chad Pennington, NYJ11. Marc Bulger, StL12. Drew Bledsoe, Buf13. Tom Brady, NE14. Jake Plummer, Den15. Rich Gannon, Oak16. Jeff Garcia, Cle17. Byron Leftwich, Jac18. Joey Harrington, Det19. Tommy Maddox, Pit20. Brad Johnson, TB21. Jake Delhomme, Car22. Mark Brunell, Was23. Carson Palmer, Cin24. Josh McCown, Ari25. David Carr, Hou

 
1 Daunte Culpepper 2 Peyton Manning3 Marc Bulger4 Matt Hasselbeck5 Donovan McNabb6 Aaron Brooks7 Michael Vick8 Steve McNair9 Trent Green10 Brett Favre11 Chad Pennington12 Tom Brady13 Jeff Garcia14 Jake Plummer15 Brad Johnson16 Mark Brunell17 Tommy Maddox18 Carson Palmer19 Joey Harrington20 Tim Rattay21 Jake Delhomme22 David Carr23 Byron Leftwich24 Kurt Warner25 Drew Bledsoe

 
McNair's in almost everyone's top 7, I see, despite coming off a career year, questions about Eddie, the loss of McCareins, the (official) loss of Wycheck, and the improvement of his divisional rivals on defense. Also note that their pass defense was terrible last year, causing them to have to be more aggressive on pass offense. This year, the Titans should be much better on pass D, if only because they'll be healthier. I see the co-MVP falling off sharply this season.
He's my #7, but projected at 307 points... #11 is projected at 302 points.
 
1. Daunte Caulpepper2. Peyton Manning3. Mike Vick4. Steve McNair5. Donovan McNabb6. Matt Hasselbeck7. Marc Bulger8. Aaron Brooks9. Jeff Garcia10. Chadd Pennington11. Tom Brady12. Brett Farve13. Carson Palmer14. Mark Brunell15. Byron Leftwhich 16. Drew Bledsoe17. David Carr18. Joey Harrington19. Jake Delhomme20. Jake Plummer21. Quincy Carter22. Josh McCown23. Rich Gannon24. Tommy Maddox25. Tim Rattay

 
1 Peyton Manning 2 Daunte Culpepper3 Donovan McNabb4 Matt Hasselbeck5 Steve McNair6 Michael Vick (assuming he misses 2-4 games) 7 Trent Green8 Jake Plummer (assuming full health)9 Chad Pennington 10 Brett Favre11 Aaron Brooks12 Marc Bulger 13 Jeff Garcia 14 Tom Brady 15 Raiders QB (Gannon, Collins, doesn't matter)16 Drew Bledsoe17 Byron Leftwich18 David Carr 19 Josh McCown (potentially higher, I'm buying what Denny Green is selling)20 Brad Johnson (doesn't finish out the year, plays 12 games)21 Kurt Warner (doesn't finish out the year)22 Mark Brunell (doesn't finish out the year, Skins eliminated in week 13 or so, play Ramsey from there)23 Tommy Maddox (doesn't finish out the year, Rothlisberger in week 15-17)24 AJ Feeley (starting in week 4, so he misses 3 games, but is a solid #2 FF QB after he comes in)25 Kyle Boller

 
1 cullpepper, min2 manning, ind3 hasselbeck, sea4 trent green, kc5 mcnab, phil6 mcnair, ten7 brady, new eng8 bulger, stl9 pennington, nyj10 vick, atl11 brooks, new orl12 favre, gb13 garcia, clev14 plummer, denv15 b johnson, tampa16 delhome, car17 brunnel, wash18 leftwich, jax19 bledsoe, buf20 maddox, pit21 q carter, dal22 harington, det23 carr, hou24 ganon, oak25 mcown, ariz

 
To those who think Tommy Maddox will be benched at the end of the year for Ben Reothlisberger if the Steelers are out of the playoffs....It ain't gonna happen.This is Tommy's team in 2004, and Ben will not see any meaningful action until 2005 at the earliest.

 
To those who think Tommy Maddox will be benched at the end of the year for Ben Reothlisberger if the Steelers are out of the playoffs....It ain't gonna happen.This is Tommy's team in 2004, and Ben will not see any meaningful action until 2005 at the earliest.
Why?We're assuming the Steelers are out of the playoffs, if they are in it, of course Tommy stays in. Awhile back, I read that if Cowher felt his job was secure, he'd strongly consider starting Ben early in the season, but would likely go with Maddox because he has to win.Once that is no longer an issue, doesn't it make sense to see Ben in games?Or do you think Cowher would be so concerned about his mental state and has such low confidence in his young QB that he wants to protect Ben for the entire year?
 
1. DaunteCulpepper2. Peyton Manning3. DonovanMcNabb4. Matt Hasselbeck5. Mike Vick6. Marc Bulger7. Aaron Brooks8. Trent Green9. Steve McNair10.Jeff Garcia11.Tom Brady12. Brett Favre13.Chad Pennington14Jake Plummer15Brad Johnson16Jake Delhomme17Tommy Maddox18Mark Brunell19Quincy Carter20Byron Leftwich21Josh McCown22Kerry Collins23Drew Bledsoe24Tim Rattay25David Carr

 
Another top notch List:1.Peyton Manning2.Daunte Culpepper3.Matt Hasselbeck 4.Trent Green5.Donovan Mcnabb6.Chad Pennington7.Micheal Vick8.Steve McNair9.Aaron Brooks10.Jeff Garcia11.Marc Bulger12.Tom Brady13.Rich Gannon14.Jake Plummer15.Brett Favre16.Byron Leftwich17.Kerry Collins18.Drew Bledsoe19.Brad Johnson20.Mark Brunell21.David Carr22.Joey Harrington23.Tommy Maddox24.Jurt Warner25.Jake DelhommeFor 2005 it will be1.P Manning2.M Hasselbecketc......."Chicago Bears Rule"

 
To those who think Tommy Maddox will be benched at the end of the year for Ben Reothlisberger if the Steelers are out of the playoffs....It ain't gonna happen.This is Tommy's team in 2004, and Ben will not see any meaningful action until 2005 at the earliest.
Why?We're assuming the Steelers are out of the playoffs, if they are in it, of course Tommy stays in. Awhile back, I read that if Cowher felt his job was secure, he'd strongly consider starting Ben early in the season, but would likely go with Maddox because he has to win.Once that is no longer an issue, doesn't it make sense to see Ben in games?Or do you think Cowher would be so concerned about his mental state and has such low confidence in his young QB that he wants to protect Ben for the entire year?
CA is right on this one.Tommy signed a contract to be the starter for this year and maybe even into next if Ben can't beat him out yet. He won't be benched at any point in 2004 other than because of injury, and the Steelers will look at him all year as their best chance to win games.Gloves are off in 2005, but Tommy will start all 16 games in 2004. If you think that his numbers will decline from last year with an improved offensive line, fine. I think he's going to be exceptional value this year, and he's going to play at least as good as he did 2 years ago, maybe even a little better.
 
1.Daunte Culpepper2.Peyton Manning3.Donovan McNabb4.Michael Vick5.Matt Hasselbeck6.Steve McNair7.Aaron Brooks8.Marc Bulger9.Trent Green10.Brett Favre11.Chad Pennington12.Tom Brady13.Jeff Garcia14.Jake Plummer15.Brad Johnson16.Byron Leftwich17.Jake Delhomme18.Mark Brunell19.Drew Bledsoe20.Carson Palmer21.Joey Harrington22.Tommy Maddox23.Josh McCown24.David Carr25.Rich Gannon

 
I am picking Byron Leftwich to crack the Top 10 this year :yes:

I am thinking he will finish between 8-10 and here is why:

* Good offensive line and pretty deep too. They only allowed 28 sacks (9th in NFL) last year, not bad in front of a rookie QB.

* Strong running game to keep defenses honest.

* Byron threw (7) 4th quarter TDs last year (tied for 1st in AFC) he is good under pressure late in the game when you need him to perform. Team was peaking late in the year.

* Much better receivers this year. They will have a rededicated Jimmy Smith from day 1 and added a solid rookie in Reggie Williams who should prove to be a great red zone target. Troy Edwards will be a good posession receiver.

* Defense is improved which will get the offense better field position and more chances thru takeaways.

* He is a solid leader who has the respect from his teammates so the team chemistry should be huge and an important factor in his success this year.

I think most people just see him as a second year player with decent upside that might take another year to develop and discount the fact that he might be taking the leap sooner than expected. There is always a guy who jumps up the ranking and surprises peopl and I say Leftwich is the guy this year. :thumbup:

We can watch Leftwich on the NFL network's "Hard Knocks" this training camp too. :popcorn:

 
To those who think Tommy Maddox will be benched at the end of the year for Ben Reothlisberger if the Steelers are out of the playoffs....It ain't gonna happen.This is Tommy's team in 2004, and Ben will not see any meaningful action until 2005 at the earliest.
Why?We're assuming the Steelers are out of the playoffs, if they are in it, of course Tommy stays in. Awhile back, I read that if Cowher felt his job was secure, he'd strongly consider starting Ben early in the season, but would likely go with Maddox because he has to win.Once that is no longer an issue, doesn't it make sense to see Ben in games?Or do you think Cowher would be so concerned about his mental state and has such low confidence in his young QB that he wants to protect Ben for the entire year?
CA is right on this one.Tommy signed a contract to be the starter for this year and maybe even into next if Ben can't beat him out yet. He won't be benched at any point in 2004 other than because of injury, and the Steelers will look at him all year as their best chance to win games.Gloves are off in 2005, but Tommy will start all 16 games in 2004. If you think that his numbers will decline from last year with an improved offensive line, fine. I think he's going to be exceptional value this year, and he's going to play at least as good as he did 2 years ago, maybe even a little better.
An ex-Steeler homer here (moved to SD after 28 years of Steeler love) - and CA and S4Life are 100% correct. While Maddox didn't perform as well as expected last year, most Steeler insiders will tell you that his struggles were the result of a banged up and underachieving OL.At the very least, a healthy OL will enable Maddox to slightly improve on his 2003 #"s, even if he has another bad season. 3500 and 20 at the minimum, with 4000 and 30 upside.Staley should he considerably out of the backfield, and a return for form from Burress means Maddox's weapons are as good as any QB in the game.B/c of Maddox's ADP and preseason rankings, he'll be an almost every team I own this year as my QB2.
 
THE REAL TOP 25

1 Peyton Manning

2 Daunte Culpepper

3 Matt Hasselbeck

4 Steve McNair

5 Donovan McNabb

6 Marc Bulger

7 Michael Vick

8 Trent Green

9 Aaron Brooks

10 Tom Brady

11 Jeff Garcia

12 Chad Pennington

13 Brett Favre

14 Byron Leftwich

15 Drew Bledsoe

16 Josh McCown

17 Carson Palmer

18 Jake Plummer

19 Joey Harrington

20 Jake Delhomme

21 Brad Johnson

22 Rich Gannon

23 Mark Brunell

24 David Carr

25 Ben Roethlisberger - R

 
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1 Manning, Peyton QB IND2 Culpepper, Daunte QB MIN3 Leftwich, Byron QB JAC4 Hasselbeck, Matt QB SEA5 McNair, Steve QB TEN6 Vick, Michael QB ATL7 Favre, Brett QB GB8 McNabb, Donovan QB PHI9 Pennington, Chad QB NYJ10 Bulger, Marc QB STL11 Brooks, Aaron QB NO12 Green, Trent QB KC13 Gannon, Rich QB OAK14 Garcia, Jeff QB CLE15 Brady, Tom QB NE16 Carr, David QB HOU17 Plummer, Jake QB DEN18 Maddox, Tommy QB PIT19 McCown, Josh QB ARI20 Delhomme, Jake QB CAR21 Harrington, Joey QB DET22 Carter, Quincy QB DAL23 Johnson, Brad QB TB24 Ken Dorsey QB SF25 Bledsoe, Drew QB BUF

 
Top 25 QB's 1. Peyton Manning2. Daunte Culpepper3. Michael Vick4. Matt Hasselbeck5. Steve McNair6. Donovan McNabb7. Trent Green8. Chad Pennington9. Aaron Brooks10. Brett Favre11. Mark Bulger12. Jeff Garcia13. Tom Brady14. Tommy Maddox15. Jake Plummer16. Josh McCown17. David Carr18. Drew Bledsoe19. Byron Leftwich20. Mark Brunnell21. Joey Harrington22. Brad Johnson23. Carson Palmer24. Jake Delhomme25. Kerry Collins

 
1. Culpepper, D2. Manning, P3. McNabb, D4. Vick, M5. Hasselbeck, M6. McNair, S7. Brooks, A8. Green, T9. Pennington, C10. Garcia, J11. Brady, T12. Favre, B13. Johnson, B14. Plummer, J15. Leftwich, B16. McCown, J17. Carr, D18. Brunell, M19. Delhomme, J20. Palmer, C21. Bledsoe, D22. Grossman, R23. Maddox, T24. Rattay, T25. Boller, K

 
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