One last comment: WRs ranked ahead of Andre Johnson: Derrick Mason, Santana Moss, Steve Smith, Darrell Jackson. Is is just me, or does the thought of taking any of these guys ahead of Johnson just seem insane? And before you pull out the 03 stats, lets keep in mind that it was Johnson's rookie season. Johnson is just scratching his potential while these others have already reached it. Johnson should be top 10 boardering on top 5 IMO.
Santana Moss has reached his potential?
Yes I do. I can't see Moss improving on 1100 yards and 10 TDs. Especially not with McCareins opposite of him, taking away scores.
I can, easily in fact.S. Moss has just as much upside as A. Johnson I think. And I'm a pretty big A. Johnson fan.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't see it.At the end of the year last year, Andre Johnson got all the crucial looks. He's got every tool you could ask for including size and speed. (Although he occasionally gets the dropsies)Moss has speed to burn, but he doesn't have AJ's size. On top of that, the offense figures to throw at other targets a good bit, including shiny new free agent McCareins. But in Houston, if the Texans are on the goaline and throwing it, Johnson is option A, B and C. I like Moss, just as I like Dyson and some of the other players listed above them. I'm not trying to suggest Moss is no good. I just think Johnson will outproduce these players, has more upside than these players and should be ranked higher than them.As far as upside goes, to me, its AJ in a landslide, but I've been wrong before.
Going back to your original comparisons:MasonSMossSSmithDJacksonThe only one w/o a top notch QB is SSmith. And Jake Delhomme is significantly more effective than David Carr - Carr is so far putting up some of the worst stats in the league for young QBs. PLUS he is playing for a coach that will likely run the ball even more than Carolina did.AJ cresting the 1G threshhold is a good prediction - and increasing from 4 TDs to, say 6 or 8 is reasonable. Jumping from the #20 WR last year to pass the #6, #8, and #9 receivers from last year with an extremely questionable QB and offensive system, is not something you should EXPECT FBGuys to predict.Be happy the message board rankings have him 14 and DJax 15 - your fellow message board Sharks clearly think more closely to the way you do than the "experts" do. I like him as a sleeper WR, but I am not elevating him to the top of my WR2 ranks.On a couple points above, in the red zone, the Texans are not more likely to throw than the Jets, and while I might agree that AJ is the 1-2-3 in Houston, that is not saying much. The passing game in Houston is a shambles - and AJ will be facing double coverage each and every game, each and every play - resulting in a buttload of Carr INTs as he forces to his only option. Pennington, McNair, and even Delhomme have low INT percentages. In other words, these QBs will throw to these receivers w/o risking end of the drive - Carr, OTOH . . . Also, if your assertion about him getting the looks is to bolster the idea that he was strong at the end of 2003, the point is not well taken. AJ averaged 7.0 targets per game on the year and finished as the #20 WR, over the last 9 games of the year (when you need you players to be strong both fantasy and NFL - wise ), he finished with . . 7.0 targets per game and the #29 receiver over that stretch. In the last 9 games, he had only 2 touchdowns, and four games over 50 yards receiving. During your FF Playoffs, while he had an outstanding Super Bowl week 16 game, you probably didn't get there if you started AJ. He put up:Week 15: 4 catches on 9 targets for 28 yardsWeek 14: 1 catch for 11 yards v. the JagsWeek 13: 1 catch on 5 targets for 30 yards versus the FalconsWeek 12: 4 catches on 13 targets for 28 yards and 1 TD versus the Pats.That is not a good run at the end of the year - looks have to translate into production or they are useless.More options does not mean less opportunity. I happen to not like SMoss all that much either b/c he is a receiver who did more with less opps, but a full year of Pennie and only one other decent receiver on the squad, and I think Moss is gonna see the ball at least as much as AJ (Moss averaged 7.5 targets/game, AJ averaged 7.0). I give them each around 120-130 targets - I just happen to believe that SMoss will have more efficient opps coming from Pennie than AJ will coming from Carr, plus Moss can do a bit more once he has the ball. People forget what an open field terror he was at UM.Anyway, love the feedback - and I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. If you have a rationale for why the rankings are off, I am def. open to being convinced - none of us are experts on every single player - but bring facts, not "gut feelings," to the debate.
:wacko: Where do you see this big dip in TDs coming from?
Nobody had the KAHUNAS to rank Thomas Jones higher than 19???
But at any rate, do you realize that in your projection for Portis, you have him rushing for a min of 150 yds less than he has been able to average over his career in what I am guessing is 3 games more (assuming that projections are for full 16). On top of that, how would a guy who finishes with the #s you are projecting (1500-1800 tot yds and 13-15 TDs) be 12th in RBs. What kind of #s are you projecting that 11 other backs are going to have. 
Edit to add that those #s (1500-1800 yds, 13-15 tds) would have put Portis at 7th against last years RBs (which I might add was unusually strong!)Holmes 27/2110Green 20/2250LT 17/2370Alex 16/1730Lewis 14/2271Portis 14/1905 (threw him even though it is about him)*you maybe able to throw McAllister in there as well depending on scoring sys. as he had 8/2157.But these are the only RBs that would have finished above Portis given even the low end of your projection.
I recently dumped Domanick Davis in my dynasty league while he is still valuable (for Fred Taylor), and if I had Rudi or Barlow I would happily cash in on them now too, while they are still valuable. History dictates that 1 or more of these guys will end up being a complete and total bust. 
Not only is Barlow unproven, but, of greater concern to me, he is in a disastrous situation. All the pro-bowlers left town, and he's stuck holding the reins in what will probably be a very mediocre offense. He may not see the red zone all that much.If anything, I think the Footballguys were actually very kind to Barlow ranking him as high as they did.
