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Explain Kyle Lohse to me (1 Viewer)
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Eephus
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He cut his walks down considerably and gives up fewer longballs. Some of the latter is probably due to ballpark effects because the HR numbers have gone back up this year in Milwaukee.
Other than the walks, there appear to be a number of incremental improvements in his advanced pitching metrics. His Groundball/Fly ball ratios were always pretty good but have improved by a bit. His strikeouts have remained pretty consistent as he's aged.
One other factor is that his BABIP is much better over the past three seasons. I don't think this is entirely random--defense and line drive ratios have an effect. Some pitchers consistently put up above average BABIP numbers. But I still think there's some risk of regression.
Other than the walks, there appear to be a number of incremental improvements in his advanced pitching metrics. His Groundball/Fly ball ratios were always pretty good but have improved by a bit. His strikeouts have remained pretty consistent as he's aged.
One other factor is that his BABIP is much better over the past three seasons. I don't think this is entirely random--defense and line drive ratios have an effect. Some pitchers consistently put up above average BABIP numbers. But I still think there's some risk of regression.
maturity, better pitching coach, reinvents himself a tad as his ages and loses some velocity- stuff like that
Eephus
Footballguy
His PitchFX data goes back seven years to his last (age 28) season in Minnesota. His velocity has been pretty consistent. His average fastball has dropped off by 1 MPH. I don't remember him as a particularly hard thrower with the Twins (and his K/9 numbers don't suggest that he was) but maybe the loss of velocity happened before 2007.
What really stands out is increased use the sinker. He threw 8 in 2007 and 12 in 2008 compared to 1538 in 2011, 1331 in 2012 and 773 so far this year. It's a hard two seamer with average velocity that's almost identical to his fastball. That pitch is Duncan's calling card and Lohse took it to the bank.
I've touted Duncan for the Hall of Fame here before. It's hard to think of another pitching coach who turned so many average pitchers into aces.
I would say Duncan deserves a HOF spot. Do coaches ever get inducted, though? I am not aware of any hitting, pitching or bench coaches having been inducted.
