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Occam's Razor...Had that happened this situation would not be anywhere near as complicated as it currently is. That was/is the easiest way to have resolved this entire matter yet that was not the course of action. Thus, I voted that something is not entirely right with the situation. This is compounded by the fact that the NFL itself as been eerily silent on the matter but it is very apparent efforts are being put forth to control collateral damage.
Well said. I'm most definitely NOT a tinfoil hat/conspiracy guy...but this has all the makings of damage control.
Joe, this is just my opinion. I believe it could have been Texas. Texas because, how can you explain your high profile QB's score? How does that make Texas look to upcoming recruits. It could cause the NCAA to look closer at Texas, etc.....If any school can make things happen "behind the scene" it would be Texas boosters. VY = millions of dollars to Texas, he's an investment as well as advertisement for the university.
Agreed...a 16 wouldn't be worse than a 6, far from it. In fact, had VY gotten a 16 the first time out, with no controversy, I would venture to say it would've had absolutely no negative impact on his draft status. There have been enough successes at the position in that range for GMs to look past it provided VY was reasonably well spoken in interviews and they saw enough solid decision-making on game tape.
Hi Woodrow,Who do you think is driving the damage control here? The league? Houston?
Hi Demons,I think the reason they wouldn't come clean if it were a learning disability is because rightly or wrongly, the stigma and perception attached with that is even worse.
Hi Fro,I would strongly disagree with Rome. I put zero negative value on him for trusting the family attorney. I think that was a very poor (and costly) decision but that has zero translation into his on the field performance. A terrible Wonderlic score does.
Don't know...as I said, there's too many inconsistencies that could so easily be put to bed if the NFL was inclined for me to dismiss the "6" completely. But ultimately who is driving this is beyond me. My gut says it's a collaborative reaction from all parties involved.
What your not understanding is that if he had proper representation they would have prepared him to take the wonderlic which would mean that he would have spent time taking old practice wonderlics and reviewing different strategies to score better on it. They say its a test to test your ability to learn but you can also learn how to take any kind of test. Example SAT classes give you strategies to do your better. Bottom line is I think he should have been better prepared to take it. It almost seems like he forgot it was part of the whole process.
I too am not fixated by the Grassy Knoll, NBA officiating as it relates to their top players/teams or Ewing going to the Knicks. As was put, I don't sport the tin foil cap.In this instance something happened in the adminstration and or scoring of that test. That something must be deemed or considered potentially problematic for some or all of the parites involved. Otherwise you take the original; take the master grading scale and score the initial test a second time. Over and done with. However, that is not what happened. At this point I think the league is starting to get involved to minimize damage and sway public perception via indirect channels. There was an event or series of events that took place regarding Young's test that would be a substantial embarrassment to the league if the transgression were made public. There could also be legal implications. Hypothetically, the testing platform should be level for everyone. Those with learning disabilities are given exception but everyone else takes the same test under the same cirumstances. Allowing a capable person to operate outside of that boundary is a significant error and liability. Another capable person that was not allowed the same set of unique circumstances could consider this an unequality in the hiring practice. Then, the league has problems. In no way am I stating that as a fact of the matter. It is just an example as to why this matter is not as simple as it might seem. For example, look at Casserly and Brown's comments. Brown has no affiliation with the NFL. None. He happens to coach football but that is where the likeness stops. Casserly is a general manager for a franchise in the NFL but in no way does he carry enough weight to present himself as mouthpiece for the league. Somehow, each issue formal statements regarding the results and speak of having factual information. Those guys do not climb out on that limb unless they know someone is going to help break that fall should push come to shove. I said it earlier and will say it again. The league office's silence is curious and damning at this point. Why the lack of a formal statement on the matter?
Depend if it was the exact same questions?
No, that's exactly what I understand. The exact same guy with a little training could go in and significantly improve his score. Not because he's any smarter. He'd score better because he hired good agents. So the fact that he didn't hire good agents is not something I'll hold against him like Rome said he did.J
Most are "leaked" because each team gets an official report of all the results this week; but not all are leaked and even fewer are ever officially corroborated.
You're right, Capella.That brings up an interesting point - why not release the score? They release all the other info like 40 times and bench press reps. Those are tests. Why keep this test so secret?
Yep. The Wonderlic score is part of the "Combine Report" that each team gets on the player. Their 40 times etc are also all on this report. All the times you see on NFL Network right now are "unofficial" the times become official when reported to the teams or whatever. These results are confidential, particularly the wonderlic. Normally a team leaks such information in some way once they get the official report. VY is the victim of leaks prior to the score even becoming his official score.
A third possibility occurred to me, and that is that Young knew he was going to take the test but viewed it as a big joke and either intentionally answered questions incorrectly or didn't bother to complete more than a portion of the test. This would explain how he could score less than 10, which would be the average if he had just guessed on all questions.The last thing I'd now believe is that the 6 was scored incorrectly. If there was in fact a scoring error, the solution is simply to rescore the original test, not to have Young (and only Young) retake it and try to bury the original test. If it wasn't a 6, what was it???
There was an intellgent poster I think his handle was Two Deep, who hit the nail on the head. If you have attended 3-4 years of college do you really need to take practice exams of the Wonderlic? It seems to me as well as that Two Deep guy that a college student should be smart enough too score better than a six.
You say one thing and think another. You will inherently hold the 6 against him. How could you not?
Look at me replying to myself...but this got me thinking. Do we think that the NFL will eventually give the teams a better answer? As potential employers teams should have the right to know what accomidations VY needed. As we know, anything that a team gets ahold of will eventually be leaked. So maybe the NFL will never address it to the public, but the teams could still find out. It I am a top 3 team I sure want to know the deal.Anything that teams know eventually gets leaked. Ask Denver/Ricky.
Hi Fro,Think what and say what?
Again, we don't know the facts but neither you or I know how much pressure 'Team Vince Young' put on the NFL. When an attorney/agent wants something for his client, he'll throw a lot of things at the wall hoping one will stick. If he was smart enough to throw out a possible ADA argument, the NFL maybe decided retaking the test was better than seeing a legal threat be followed through on with (potentially) tens of millions in damages at stake. Heck, for all we know VY got ADA accommodations at UT, which would make his case even stronger.
Well, it's really starting to perturb me that seemingly the "who's who" list in Texas seems to be getting fed info while the rest of the world gets left in the dark. I highly doubt other owners will put up with Casserly knowing more than they do.Look at me replying to myself...but this got me thinking. Do we think that the NFL will eventually give the teams a better answer? As potential employers teams should have the right to know what accomidations VY needed. As we know, anything that a team gets ahold of will eventually be leaked. So maybe the NFL will never address it to the public, but the teams could still find out. It I am a top 3 team I sure want to know the deal.Anything that teams know eventually gets leaked. Ask Denver/Ricky.
Joe, I see X reasons for what you're asking...1) NFL prospects are physical specimens. Sure, even though they may not all be the fastest, strongest, etc...they are, to a man, faster, stronger and more athletic than the vast majority of people.
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