Falcons Are Not "Married" to Vick (1 Viewer)

[wannabee]

Did anyone else see this?

What does it mean with Vick's contract?

Could he be traded?

 

[wannabee]

From Rotoworld:

Mort: Falcons 'not married' to Vick"

Published Sat Jan 6 2:07:00 p.m. ET 2007

(Rotoworld) ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported that the Falcons are "not necessarily married" to Michael Vick.

Impact: Calling Al Davis. The news is stunning in light of how Falcons owner Arthur Blank has coddled Vick throughout his career, but it makes plenty of football sense. It also shows the Falcons aren't blind to the leadership issues that continues to plague Vick. They also know Vick is sensitive to criticism, so letting this story out wasn't considered lightly. It's quite possible the coaches interviewing for Atlanta's job prefer Matt Schaub.

 

[Shlon]

Did anyone else see this?What does it mean with Vick's contract?Could he be traded?

If Traded Falcons would get a 24 million cap hit I think, if traded after June 1st then 8 million this year and I think over 20 million next year. Right now Vick is probably untradeable & since he's a moneymaker & fills the seats in the Georgia Dome, I doubt he is traded.

 

[wannabee]

Did anyone else see this?What does it mean with Vick's contract?Could he be traded?

If Traded Falcons would get a 24 million cap hit I think, if traded after June 1st then 8 million this year and I think over 20 million next year. Right now Vick is probably untradeable & since he's a moneymaker & fills the seats in the Georgia Dome, I doubt he is traded.

I agree on the untradeable part due to contract. That is why i was shocked at the story.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I could see a loony owner like Al Davis making an offer for Vick.

 

[jeter23]

Good find. With his contract, I don't see how he could be moved. I would say Mr. Blank is regretting that contract at this point.

 

[beef]

I could see a loony owner like Al Davis making an offer for Vick.

if its even cap possible to happen it would be nice. old pimp al would know better than to force vick into a system. he'd make sure the offence and system was built around him.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Good find. With his contract, I don't see how he could be moved. I would say Mr. Blank is regretting that contract at this point.

Don't think so. He's made a fortune off Vick.

 

[diesel7982]

Did anyone else see this?What does it mean with Vick's contract?Could he be traded?

If Traded Falcons would get a 24 million cap hit I think, if traded after June 1st then 8 million this year and I think over 20 million next year. Right now Vick is probably untradeable & since he's a moneymaker & fills the seats in the Georgia Dome, I doubt he is traded.

I agree on the untradeable part due to contract. That is why i was shocked at the story.

I think "Shlon"'s #s are wrong. PFT made a pretty convincing case a month or so ago that Vick's contract wouldnt prevent him from being moved. Ill see if I can find it.

 

[Sinrman]

I always knew it was the $$ part of his contract that makes him almost untradeable. But can't they re-work the contract if he's willing to, in order to get traded? Of course, that would mean he'd have to AGREE to being traded first. But if he did, couldn't it be re-worked, THEN traded?

 

[One]

I could see a loony owner like Al Davis making an offer for Vick.

this is true of Davis.

 

[Fantasy Man]

I always knew it was the $$ part of his contract that makes him almost untradeable. But can't they re-work the contract if he's willing to, in order to get traded? Of course, that would mean he'd have to AGREE to being traded first. But if he did, couldn't it be re-worked, THEN traded?

The accelerated cap hit is for monies already paid in the form of signing or roster bonuses that are amortized over the life of the contract. When the contract is terminated, by cutting the player or trade, the leftover money hits the cap. So in short, unless Vick returns some of the bonuses, there is no relief by renegotiating. And I'm not even sure that's legal.

 

[mad sweeney]

Did anyone else see this?What does it mean with Vick's contract?Could he be traded?

If Traded Falcons would get a 24 million cap hit I think, if traded after June 1st then 8 million this year and I think over 20 million next year. Right now Vick is probably untradeable & since he's a moneymaker & fills the seats in the Georgia Dome, I doubt he is traded.

If it costs that much to get rid of him then it'e EXACTLY like being married.

 

[cstu]

I always knew it was the $$ part of his contract that makes him almost untradeable. But can't they re-work the contract if he's willing to, in order to get traded? Of course, that would mean he'd have to AGREE to being traded first. But if he did, couldn't it be re-worked, THEN traded?

The accelerated cap hit is for monies already paid in the form of signing or roster bonuses that are amortized over the life of the contract. When the contract is terminated, by cutting the player or trade, the leftover money hits the cap. So in short, unless Vick returns some of the bonuses, there is no relief by renegotiating. And I'm not even sure that's legal.

The only possibility I see is for Vick to renegotiate his contract to convert his bonus into salary. The key to making it legal is that the new contract has to be worth more than the old one. The big question is why Vick would want to do such a thing and probably cost himself at least $10M and make it easy for any team that gets him to bench/cut him.

 

[dickey moe]

Did anyone else see this?What does it mean with Vick's contract?Could he be traded?

If Traded Falcons would get a 24 million cap hit I think, if traded after June 1st then 8 million this year and I think over 20 million next year. Right now Vick is probably untradeable & since he's a moneymaker & fills the seats in the Georgia Dome, I doubt he is traded.

If it costs that much to get rid of him then it'e EXACTLY like being married.

 

[paydrt]

Did anyone else see this?What does it mean with Vick's contract?Could he be traded?

If Traded Falcons would get a 24 million cap hit I think, if traded after June 1st then 8 million this year and I think over 20 million next year. Right now Vick is probably untradeable & since he's a moneymaker & fills the seats in the Georgia Dome, I doubt he is traded.

If it costs that much to get rid of him then it'e EXACTLY like being married.

 

[x260bm]

Vick is signed through 2013. I doubt it.

 

[Our Gang]

Vick is signed through 2013. I doubt it.

Why doesnt the nfl allow teams to trade for players with similar contract terms/salary cap hits?

 

[x260bm]

Vick is signed through 2013. I doubt it.

Why doesnt the nfl allow teams to trade for players with similar contract terms/salary cap hits?

You mean like the NBA? I don't know. Some of those NBA cap trades are pretty bad though.

 

[wannabee]

Did anyone else see this?What does it mean with Vick's contract?Could he be traded?

If Traded Falcons would get a 24 million cap hit I think, if traded after June 1st then 8 million this year and I think over 20 million next year. Right now Vick is probably untradeable & since he's a moneymaker & fills the seats in the Georgia Dome, I doubt he is traded.

I agree on the untradeable part due to contract. That is why i was shocked at the story.

I think "Shlon"'s #s are wrong. PFT made a pretty convincing case a month or so ago that Vick's contract wouldnt prevent him from being moved. Ill see if I can find it.

I would love to see the numbers and the story. I would like to be wrong on the above post. The only downside is all of the Schaub owners posting .....

 

[BigRed]

Right now Vick is probably untradeable & since he's a moneymaker & fills the seats in the Georgia Dome

...not to mention the cap thing. No freakin way is he traded.

 

[wannabee]

Before June 1st in appears the cap hit would be $22.25 million

After June 1st the cap hit would be $7.57 million with a net hit of $1.57 million and would actually create $6 million in cap space for Atlanta

But in 2008 Atlanta would take a $14.68 million cap hit

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-bl...#comment-840207

So it appears like Chris Mortenson and Arthur Blank have reason for this Vick trade talk based on a trade after June 1st...the Raiders took on a pretty big contract with Moss and appear to have alot of dead weight in players taking up alot of cap space for them this upcoming season.

 

[softball]

I always knew it was the $$ part of his contract that makes him almost untradeable. But can't they re-work the contract if he's willing to, in order to get traded? Of course, that would mean he'd have to AGREE to being traded first. But if he did, couldn't it be re-worked, THEN traded?

The accelerated cap hit is for monies already paid in the form of signing or roster bonuses that are amortized over the life of the contract. When the contract is terminated, by cutting the player or trade, the leftover money hits the cap. So in short, unless Vick returns some of the bonuses, there is no relief by renegotiating. And I'm not even sure that's legal.

The only possibility I see is for Vick to renegotiate his contract to convert his bonus into salary. The key to making it legal is that the new contract has to be worth more than the old one. The big question is why Vick would want to do such a thing and probably cost himself at least $10M and make it easy for any team that gets him to bench/cut him.

He wouldn't. And the NFLPA would step in even if he tried to take less to get out. The agent/player would get a serious talking to by the powers that be in the Union.

 

[Sinrman]

I always knew it was the $$ part of his contract that makes him almost untradeable. But can't they re-work the contract if he's willing to, in order to get traded? Of course, that would mean he'd have to AGREE to being traded first. But if he did, couldn't it be re-worked, THEN traded?

The accelerated cap hit is for monies already paid in the form of signing or roster bonuses that are amortized over the life of the contract. When the contract is terminated, by cutting the player or trade, the leftover money hits the cap. So in short, unless Vick returns some of the bonuses, there is no relief by renegotiating. And I'm not even sure that's legal.

Nice explanation.I think the Vick situation should be a great lesson for teams on why you should never sign a player to a super duper long contract like that. If that player gets hurt, does stupid things, whatever, then they are stuck with him. Just like the Falcons are...

 

[fasteddie_21]

Am I the only one who thinks that the Falcons would be much better with Matt Schaub at QB?

IMO, Vick is a novelty. He is NOT a QB. He's a scatback who can throw really far. I think Atlanta springboards into a winning team the year he goes away.

-fe

 

[Slinger]

Am I the only one who thinks that the Falcons would be much better with Matt Schaub at QB?

That's what everybody in this thread is saying.

 

[lod2005]

Good find. With his contract, I don't see how he could be moved. I would say Mr. Blank is regretting that contract at this point.

Don't think so. He's made a fortune off Vick.

Except that he ALREADY has a fortune. He made some peanuts and is stuck with sucktitude at QB with ZERO chance of winning a Super Bowl. Yes, he's regretting it.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

In an era where the salary cap should be going up 6-7 mil a year, it's not a massive stretch to see Vick as tradeable, even with the huge cap hit.

Not to mention, sometimes you absorb some financial pain to get your franchise going back in the right direction - and if Blank decides that Vick is the main source of the problem, then you have to make that hard call.

 

[Da Guru]

I don`t think that any team would take Vick and that contract.

 

[Big Score]

if Blank decides that Vick is the main source of the problem, then you have to make that hard call.

Methinks Blank decided Mora was the main source of the problem & has already made that hard call.

 

[bostonfred]

Did anyone else see this?What does it mean with Vick's contract?Could he be traded?

If Traded Falcons would get a 24 million cap hit I think, if traded after June 1st then 8 million this year and I think over 20 million next year. Right now Vick is probably untradeable & since he's a moneymaker & fills the seats in the Georgia Dome, I doubt he is traded.

If it costs that much to get rid of him then it'e EXACTLY like being married.

 

[jeter23]

Mort with an update. Looks like they will name a coach tomorrow.

Rotoworld) ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports the Falcons could announce the hiring of their new head coach as soon as Monday.

Impact: Profootballtalk.com speculates Niners assistant Mike Singletary will get the nod. Chargers offensive coordinator Cam Cameron, Bears defensive coordinator Ron Rivera, and Steelers offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt are all believed to be on owner Arthur Blank's "short list."

Although it is not included here, Mort also said that the new coach would have the liberty to decide what to do with Vick.

 

[Raider Nation]

I could see a loony owner like Al Davis making an offer for Vick.

Right. Why would a 2-14 team possibly want a QB who is 38-25-1 as a starter...That is sheer LUNACY!!!

 

[mad sweeney]

I could see a loony owner like Al Davis making an offer for Vick.

Right. Why would a 2-14 team possibly want a QB who is 38-25-1 as a starter...That is sheer LUNACY!!!

Can't tell if that's sarcasm or not. What was Brooks' record before he signed with the Raiders? Vick would fill seats, sell jerseys and delight a star starved Raider nation. I see it as an immensely better signing than Brooks was so I would not doubt the possibility. Despite the slogan, I haven't seen much from the Raiders lately that makes me feel they're trying to win.

 

[Raider Nation]

I could see a loony owner like Al Davis making an offer for Vick.

Right. Why would a 2-14 team possibly want a QB who is 38-25-1 as a starter...That is sheer LUNACY!!! :whoosh:

Can't tell if that's sarcasm or not. What was Brooks' record before he signed with the Raiders? Vick would fill seats, sell jerseys and delight a star starved Raider nation. I see it as an immensely better signing than Brooks was so I would not doubt the possibility. Despite the slogan, I haven't seen much from the Raiders lately that makes me feel they're trying to win.

Of course it's sarcasm.I'm not the biggest Michael Vick fan in the world, but that Atlanta team STUNK before he got there, and he carried them to the playoffs early in his career. I would take him as Oakland's starter in a heartbeat.

 

[mad sweeney]

I could see a loony owner like Al Davis making an offer for Vick.

Right. Why would a 2-14 team possibly want a QB who is 38-25-1 as a starter...That is sheer LUNACY!!!

Can't tell if that's sarcasm or not. What was Brooks' record before he signed with the Raiders? Vick would fill seats, sell jerseys and delight a star starved Raider nation. I see it as an immensely better signing than Brooks was so I would not doubt the possibility. Despite the slogan, I haven't seen much from the Raiders lately that makes me feel they're trying to win.

Of course it's sarcasm.I'm not the biggest Michael Vick fan in the world, but that Atlanta team STUNK before he got there, and he carried them to the playoffs early in his career. I would take him as Oakland's starter in a heartbeat.

Just checking

 

[massraider]

Vick ain't going anywhere. He's untradeable for at least the next two years.

According to Len P, Petrino is close to being named the guy:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2723700

ATLANTA -- Louisville coach Bob Petrino is the choice of the Atlanta Falcons to succeed Jim Mora as head coach, several league sources confirmed Sunday night, and the team is in contract negotiations aimed at securing a contract agreement that could lead to a Monday announcement of his hiring.

Sources stressed that Petrino, 45, has yet to accept the position, but that the two sides were moving toward an agreement.

The highly-regarded Petrino is known for his creative offensive designs and the priority of Falcons' brass is to land a head coach capable of getting the most from quarterback Michael Vick's talents.

This is quite a scoop for Len P I think, most people had Singletary and Whisenhunt as the top guys, I thought.

 

[Da Guru]

I could see a loony owner like Al Davis making an offer for Vick.

Right. Why would a 2-14 team possibly want a QB who is 38-25-1 as a starter...That is sheer LUNACY!!!

Can't tell if that's sarcasm or not. What was Brooks' record before he signed with the Raiders? Vick would fill seats, sell jerseys and delight a star starved Raider nation. I see it as an immensely better signing than Brooks was so I would not doubt the possibility. Despite the slogan, I haven't seen much from the Raiders lately that makes me feel they're trying to win.

As a veteran QB Vick is two games under 500 the last two years as the starter.Vick would be the perfect QB for the Raiders traveling circus. Let him try to run for 2000 yards in Oakland.

It would be like a sideshow.