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Fanduel Week 2 (1 Viewer)

What looks like a better cash lineup?  I'm not sure if I should go safe with Brady or go cheap at QB and safer with the other positions

Option 1:  Brady, Lynch, Rawls, Julio, Cooks, Kupp, Ertz, Walsh, Arizona

Option 2:  Brady, Gordon, Lynch, Jordy, Fitz, Thielen, Ertz, Walsh, Ravens

Option 3:  Rivers, Gordon, Cook, Julio, Jordy, Fitz, Ertz, Walsh, Tampa

 
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Smooth Operator said:
Didn't the Pats trade Brissett for Philip Dorsett? I though they would activate Dorsett with Danny A. out.
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Dorsett is basically #3 by default, the other wr they have is primarily a special teamer. KP is probably right, they use more 2te sets, or you see white or burkhead sharing slot reps or getting Catches out of the backfield while dorsett tries to learn the plays. 

 
KarmaPolice said:
Ah, the headache of trying to figure out the Pats. 

I thought part of Hogan's success was that he took the top off the Ds while they were covering the short stuff with Edelman and the RBs.  I find it interesting that it seems like a lot of why people are big on Hogan this week is they think he will take over the slot b/c of Danny's injury.   Is it just as possible that Billy B puts Cooks there or Burkhead/White, or like I said, they go to 2 TEs because of the lack of WRs.  Or probably just all of the above?
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You are quite right to suggest it's a mystery, although I haven't really read much from anyone suggesting that Hogan will take over the slot (rotoworld suggests its Burkhead...I'm becoming less and less confident in what rotoworld thinks about anything as time goes by).  I would expect the lack of edelman/amendola to be primarily offset by increased involvement of White in the passing game (he's a good DFS play) but separately from that the Pats have to be trying to "activate" both the TE channel and the "outside" channel.  NO affords the opportunity to try to do both.  I expect NO will surprise some by trying to control the clock (so I think Engram is also a good start) but at least to some extent that attempt will fail.  I have Brees stacked with Fleener in one of my $1 plays.

2 for Gillislee (or perhaps one each for him and White), 1 for Gronk, 1 for Cooks, 1 for Hogan.  Maybe 2 for Cooks, 0 for Hogan.  Two for Engram, two for Fleener.  Pats 35-31.

The alternate script is Pats only muster 3 TDs as Cooks and Hogan continue to waffle, Kamara gets involved in the scoring, and Saints win in a blowout 38-24.  Media frenzy ensues.

 
KarmaPolice said:
I am just talking out loud here, but are you spreading yourself thin by going with so many players in your pool? Just curious b/c I was trying to do the opposite this week.  I am sure there are different takes on strategy, and there is probably a sweet spot that people suggest if you are mass entering 200 LUs, 20 LUs like us, or just a couple. 

I think I have about 20 entries and ended up with 5 QBs  and about 10 RBs: Lynch, Bell, Zeke, Gillislee, TyMont, Hunt, Gordon, McCoy, Fournette, and Ajayi.   

Again, not sure if there is a right or wrong way to attack this, it's just this week I was trying to limit myself so I don't go crazy with it. 

One think I noted on your above LUs - maybe think about switching some Rbs around.  Maybe something like switching Cohen and Carson in your top and bottom LU, so you would get a little stack of Carson with the Seattle D in that top one.  I would assume for him to have a big day, Seattle would have to be up by a bit. 
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I dont think either approach is wrong per se.  Over time, I have adopted more of a shotgun / diversity approach as I have found that I have a better shot of coming out ahead and a better shot of not taking a major bath by, say, having 11 QBs and 19 RBs in 15 lineups than having 5 QBs and 10 RBs in those same lineups.  My "objective function" is to try to achieve something between breakeven and solid week.

To put that another way, you didn't mention Ingram or Kamara, West or Allen, Carson, Jacquizz, Cohen, Ellington, or White.  That's not "wrong" but all the guys you mentioned except Gillislee are bell cows (Beast and Ty are debatable at ~200 carries)....and I want to have some (lower) exposure to these guys because I think at least half of them will deliver and half of your list may not.

That's what makes this fun I suppose.

Thanks for your comments on my lineups; I DO appreciate the input.  I made some changes to 2 of my $7 lineups (which in all likelihood will decrease my winnings per Murphy's Law)....

I decided to make my Brady entry a super stack and be more chalky with rodgers, lynch and thielen versus carson, hunt, and Diggs (so this latter group will probably blow up).

I then adjusted the Ben entry to remove lynch and cooks and add hunt (offset to brady lineup changes), add ingram as a pivot and fitz and kelce as chalk.

Ben Roethlisberger Tarik Cohen Marshawn Lynch Antonio Brown Martavis Bryant Brandin Cooks Hunter Henry Ryan Succop Seattle Seahawks

Ben Roethlisberger Kareem Hunt Mark Ingram Antonio Brown Martavis Bryant Larry Fitzgerald Travis Kelce Greg Zuerlein Kansas City Chiefs

Tom Brady Chris Carson Kareem Hunt Stefon Diggs Brandin Cooks Julio Jones Austin Hooper Blair Walsh Los Angeles Rams

Tom Brady Jacquizz Rodgers Marshawn Lynch Chris Hogan Brandin Cooks Adam Thielen Rob Gronkowski Blair Walsh Los Angeles Rams

 
BroncosFan07 said:
What looks like a better cash lineup?  I'm not sure if I should go safe with Brady or go cheap at QB and safer with the other positions

Option 1:  Brady, Lynch, Rawls, Julio, Cooks, Kupp, Ertz, Walsh, Arizona

Option 2:  Brady, Gordon, Lynch, Jordy, Fitz, Thielen, Ertz, Walsh, Ravens

Option 3:  Rivers, Gordon, Cook, Julio, Jordy, Fitz, Ertz, Walsh, Tampa
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I think the bolded is a GREAT cash lineup.  Cook versus Steelers is a little scary and I don't trust Julio in cash (huge variance).

Edited to add Rawls and Cook make Options 1 and 3 sketchy for cash but potential GPP winners (variance).

 
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My thinking is if Alex smith can smoke the patriots for 368 and 4td's, I am sure drew brees will have a field day at home.

 
KarmaPolice said:
I am just talking out loud here, but are you spreading yourself thin by going with so many players in your pool? Just curious b/c I was trying to do the opposite this week.  I am sure there are different takes on strategy, and there is probably a sweet spot that people suggest if you are mass entering 200 LUs, 20 LUs like us, or just a couple. 

I think I have about 20 entries and ended up with 5 QBs  and about 10 RBs: Lynch, Bell, Zeke, Gillislee, TyMont, Hunt, Gordon, McCoy, Fournette, and Ajayi.   

Again, not sure if there is a right or wrong way to attack this, it's just this week I was trying to limit myself so I don't go crazy with it. 

One think I noted on your above LUs - maybe think about switching some Rbs around.  Maybe something like switching Cohen and Carson in your top and bottom LU, so you would get a little stack of Carson with the Seattle D in that top one.  I would assume for him to have a big day, Seattle would have to be up by a bit. 
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i mean obv theres no right or wrong answer to this its a matter of personal preference.  however, having said that...

my goal is always to try to have a huge week.  those are the nights ive had the most fun playing dfs.  my goal is not to turn my $1000 into $1150.  its to try to hit a huge prize.  or to at least put like 5 lineups in the top 50 of a decent sized tourney or something.

so given that, and since you cant cover all possibilities no matter how thin you spread yourself, i think the best approach to gpps is to take a core of all your favorite plays and switch out some of the minor parts.  in your case with 20 lineups, it would depend on the stacks but i would try to limit it to 1 or 2 qbs.  again, that depends on stacks ofc.  if its crablegs then all your stacks will be mike evans so you could diversify qb a little.  if its brady, then you probably wanna have him in all 20 lineups.  since theres stacks with gronk/cooks/hogan maybe even rex.

same thing with rbs.  10 seems like too many to me.  bc you run the risk of having 2 awesome rbs in your group but not having enough to 'guarantee' that big lineup.  perhaps the worst feelings i have after looking at my gpp lineups after the week is over is seeing that i had 2 of the best rb and wr plays but not having them in the same lineup.  id pick your 3 favorite then rotate them.

so imo if youre running 20 lineups they should look like (assuming the order you listed rbs is how you prefer them):

winston, lynch, bell, evans, wr2, wr3, te1, k1, oak

winston, lynch, zeke, evans, wr2, wr3, te1, k1, oak

winston, zeke, bell, evans, wr2, wr3, te1, k1, dall

winston, lynch, bell, evans, wr3, wr4, te1, k1 oak

etc.

so, in short, imo: get greedy and aggressive, trust your best plays and embrace the variance, play to win and not to not lose. 

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
I dont think either approach is wrong per se.  Over time, I have adopted more of a shotgun / diversity approach as I have found that I have a better shot of coming out ahead and a better shot of not taking a major bath by, say, having 11 QBs and 19 RBs in 15 lineups than having 5 QBs and 10 RBs in those same lineups.  My "objective function" is to try to achieve something between breakeven and solid week.

To put that another way, you didn't mention Ingram or Kamara, West or Allen, Carson, Jacquizz, Cohen, Ellington, or White.  That's not "wrong" but all the guys you mentioned except Gillislee are bell cows (Beast and Ty are debatable at ~200 carries)....and I want to have some (lower) exposure to these guys because I think at least half of them will deliver and half of your list may not.

That's what makes this fun I suppose. 
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Gotcha, and there is probably difference, and like you said there is no wrong way.  I play a little cash, so that is what I am hoping keeps me a little afloat while I try to well in a gpp.  

As I thought about the rbs, I just thought  this week I would focus on guys that touch the ball close to 20 times and maybe have 2 td upside.  I play a little on DK, and use guys like Kamara and Cohen there since they are cheaper, have a flex, and have ppr.  So I do have exposure to them this week. 

Like you said, we need to have fun with this too.  

 
sooted72 said:
i mean obv theres no right or wrong answer to this its a matter of personal preference.  however, having said that...

my goal is always to try to have a huge week.  those are the nights ive had the most fun playing dfs.  my goal is not to turn my $1000 into $1150.  its to try to hit a huge prize.  or to at least put like 5 lineups in the top 50 of a decent sized tourney or something.

so given that, and since you cant cover all possibilities no matter how thin you spread yourself, i think the best approach to gpps is to take a core of all your favorite plays and switch out some of the minor parts.  in your case with 20 lineups, it would depend on the stacks but i would try to limit it to 1 or 2 qbs.  again, that depends on stacks ofc.  if its crablegs then all your stacks will be mike evans so you could diversify qb a little.  if its brady, then you probably wanna have him in all 20 lineups.  since theres stacks with gronk/cooks/hogan maybe even rex.

same thing with rbs.  10 seems like too many to me.  bc you run the risk of having 2 awesome rbs in your group but not having enough to 'guarantee' that big lineup.  perhaps the worst feelings i have after looking at my gpp lineups after the week is over is seeing that i had 2 of the best rb and wr plays but not having them in the same lineup.  id pick your 3 favorite then rotate them.

so imo if youre running 20 lineups they should look like (assuming the order you listed rbs is how you prefer them):

winston, lynch, bell, evans, wr2, wr3, te1, k1, oak

winston, lynch, zeke, evans, wr2, wr3, te1, k1, oak

winston, zeke, bell, evans, wr2, wr3, te1, k1, dall

winston, lynch, bell, evans, wr3, wr4, te1, k1 oak

etc.

so, in short, imo: get greedy and aggressive, trust your best plays and embrace the variance, play to win and not to not lose. 
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I get what you are saying, and do agree.  Mostly I am just too indecisive and want to play everything.  Also, what you are saying is kinda what I tried to do this week.  If I was going to have 4 $1 gpps with 4 qbs, I was going to try to stick to that core if I did 12 25cent LUs. 

I might try to narrow it down even more, but we will see. 

 
I'm kicking the tires on Mariota in some GPP lineups. I know Jax DST looked great last week but Houston made Cincy's DST look good Thursday night. I'm wondering if folks may be scared off

 
Tennessee_ATO said:
I'm kicking the tires on Mariota in some GPP lineups. I know Jax DST looked great last week but Houston made Cincy's DST look good Thursday night. I'm wondering if folks may be scared off
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I thought about him.  Did use Walker in some LUs.  Are both the main Jax Cbs playing? 

 
So I keep seeing posted - I think Dodds maybe?- that if you are looking at ownership %, you want to think that player can hit 3x value at the same % as their ownership.  

Is that for all players, your main stacks, etc?? 

So if we think Brady is going to be 15% owned and we play him, we are saying that we think Brady can hit 28pts 15%+ of the games he plays?   

Julio is worse since he might be 25-30%.  28 points is a monster game for a wr on FD.  

Just curious about this, as I wouldn't think that fbgs would suggest fading Julio completely in gpps. 

 
KarmaPolice said:
So I keep seeing posted - I think Dodds maybe?- that if you are looking at ownership %, you want to think that player can hit 3x value at the same % as their ownership.  

Is that for all players, your main stacks, etc?? 

So if we think Brady is going to be 15% owned and we play him, we are saying that we think Brady can hit 28pts 15%+ of the games he plays?   

Julio is worse since he might be 25-30%.  28 points is a monster game for a wr on FD.  

Just curious about this, as I wouldn't think that fbgs would suggest fading Julio completely in gpps. 
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Kinda new to DFS, what are you referring to when you say gpps and what is the difference from cash games. I dabbled a bit last year and ended up down 14 bucks for the year but bounced back in week 1 , mainly by coming in 2nd in one of the 100 player games that paid the top 12 only.

 
daddo39 said:
Kinda new to DFS, what are you referring to when you say gpps and what is the difference from cash games. I dabbled a bit last year and ended up down 14 bucks for the year but bounced back in week 1 , mainly by coming in 2nd in one of the 100 player games that paid the top 12 only.
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Cash games are H2H, 50/50, and 2x games.  Ones where it doesn't matter for your winnings if you finish 1st or in the 40th percentile. 

Gpps are the tournament's where there is a huge difference from taking 1st and being in the 10th percentile.  Therefore in gpps you want to get creative and have something that nobody else has, so if it does well you zip up the leader boards. 

 
reel_smooth said:
I'll probably keep tweaking on GPP L/U's through tomorrow night, but, two cash L/U's I'm pretty set on:

#1 QB/ Wilson, RB/Lynch - Montgomery, WR/J. Jones - Baldwin - T. Hill, TE/ Fleener, K/Walsh, DEF/ BAL

#2 QB/ Carr, RB/Gordon - Hunt, WR/Crabtree - T. Hill - K. Allen, TE/ Fleener, K/Lutz, DEF/ BAL
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Changed #2 to the following; numbers-wise, comes out a tad better and I like it better from a gut-check standpoint:

QB/ Brady, RB/Lynch - Montgomery, WR/J. Jones - T. Hill - Diggs, TE/Fleener, K/Walsh, DEF/ BAL

I'll toss in my GPP's in a bit when I'm done. FWIW, read/heard that NE may be throwing either White or Burkhead out in the slot some tomorrow. Of course, with Bellichick, nothing is certain, I suppose. I'm also completely fading TEN this week. Mariota & his WR's have got to show me something more before I even think about them in GPP's, let alone cash. 

 
reel_smooth said:
Changed #2 to the following; numbers-wise, comes out a tad better and I like it better from a gut-check standpoint:

QB/ Brady, RB/Lynch - Montgomery, WR/J. Jones - T. Hill - Diggs, TE/Fleener, K/Walsh, DEF/ BAL

I'll toss in my GPP's in a bit when I'm done. FWIW, read/heard that NE may be throwing either White or Burkhead out in the slot some tomorrow. Of course, with Bellichick, nothing is certain, I suppose. I'm also completely fading TEN this week. Mariota & his WR's have got to show me something more before I even think about them in GPP's, let alone cash. 
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I do like the targets that the Tenn Wrs saw last week, especially Davis. 

 
Four $1 GPP's:

#1 QB/ Rivers, RB/ Bell - J. Allen, WR/ J. Jones - M. Evans - K. Allen, TE/ Rudolph, K/Dawson, DEF/ BAL

#2 QB/ Ryan, RB/ Freeman - M. Gordon, WR/ J. Jones - Cobb - A. Wilson, TE/ Graham, K/Lutz, DEF/ CAR

#3 QB/ Brees, RB/ Fournette - Blount, WR/ A. Brown - B. Cooks - T. Ginn Jr., TE/ C. Clay, K/ Forbath, DEF/ JAX

#4 QB/ Roethlisberger, RB/ D. Cook - M. Ingram, WR/ A. Brown - M. Evans - Hogan, TE/M. Bennett, K/Dawson, DEF/ BAL

Three $.25 GPP's:

#1 QB/ Brady, RB/ M. Gordon - M. Lynch, WR/ B. Cooks - Hogan - T. Hill, TE/ Fleener, K/M. Bryant, DEF/ LAC

#2 QB/ J. Goff, RB/ M. Lynch - D. Cook, WR/ A. Brown - J. Jones - C. Kupp, TE/ Brate, K/Tucker, DEF/ SEA

#3 QB/ Carr, RB/ K. Hunt - J. White, WR/ A. Brown - D. Thomas - Crabtree, TE/ J. Cook, K/ Lutz, DEF/ BAL

Like KP said previously - so many ways to look at things this week, from the high projected game totals & team totals, to some sneaky plays on teams that maybe aren't all that popular or might fly under the radar. We'll see what happens. I like a lot of the other LU's I've seen posted earlier as well. Good luck to everyone.

 
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KarmaPolice said:
Cash games are H2H, 50/50, and 2x games.  Ones where it doesn't matter for your winnings if you finish 1st or in the 40th percentile. 

Gpps are the tournament's where there is a huge difference from taking 1st and being in the 10th percentile.  Therefore in gpps you want to get creative and have something that nobody else has, so if it does well you zip up the leader boards. 
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Got it, is there a way to find out ownership percentages? 

 
Afaik, ownership % is just about understanding where you can pivot away from and, if the pivot you play allows you to outscore the masses it's an advantage.  I don't think multipliers and percentages are related.

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
Sam Bradford making vikings players radioactive this morning.
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how is everyone treating this?  I have a lot of Thielen and Diggs and a little Cook exposure. Does the injury help Cook or will Pitt stack the box?  Will the Vikings throw safer quicker passes?  Should we bail on all Vikings and not risk a dud score tanking our teams?

 
BroncosFan07 said:
how is everyone treating this?  I have a lot of Thielen and Diggs and a little Cook exposure. Does the injury help Cook or will Pitt stack the box?  Will the Vikings throw safer quicker passes?  Should we bail on all Vikings and not risk a dud score tanking our teams?
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I kinda had to bail because I will be travelling, which is unfortunate b/c I liked bringing back the Pitts stack with a Minn player.  I left Rudolph in one, but took out Thielen in cash since it's Keenum, and I don't want him in charge of a cash player. 

I also threw in Pitts D in a couple gpps. 

These are the type of decisions that can give you an edge in gpps though.  Maybe look at Keenums preseason games, and see if he had a connection with a receiver? 

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
Afaik, ownership % is just about understanding where you can pivot away from and, if the pivot you play allows you to outscore the masses it's an advantage.  I don't think multipliers and percentages are related.
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I looked again, and it was in Dodds' article, and I think a podcast said the same thing- for gpp players you should target players you think will 3+ times their salary at a rate higher than their ownership %. 

The 3x+ comes from probably needing 180 or more pts to do damage in a gpp, so an average of 3 pts for every 1k of salary.  Granted, it's an average, but we should also be thinking about that when designing LUs - ie don't play Kamara just because he is 2% owned, you also need to think he can score 15 points  (90 yds and a td, 8 catches and 110 yds,  etc) 

 
KarmaPolice said:
I looked again, and it was in Dodds' article, and I think a podcast said the same thing- for gpp players you should target players you think will 3+ times their salary at a rate higher than their ownership %. 

The 3x+ comes from probably needing 180 or more pts to do damage in a gpp, so an average of 3 pts for every 1k of salary.  Granted, it's an average, but we should also be thinking about that when designing LUs - ie don't play Kamara just because he is 2% owned, you also need to think he can score 15 points  (90 yds and a td, 8 catches and 110 yds,  etc) 
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Seems like an academic point as i question if anyone can accurately predict when the probability of 3x exceeds ownership percent.  If this algorithm is actually being used I have no hope.

 
So I wake nursing a ruthless hangover after watching my Vols' staff give UF the game with the worst play-calling since the SB, only to have a combo of ridiculous luck and John Kelly (the rookie RB you need to draft next year in fantasy) take it away from UF, only to have UT give it away again. And I have to tweak my lineups b/c Bradford is hurt -- Sam Bradford. Man, this w/e is not going my way. 

 
Tennessee_ATO said:
The "vengeance" thing shouldn't be baked into any math-based projections.
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i thought my question was pretty clear, but apparently not so i'll try again...

the guy who gets paid to come up with ownership projetions and is apparently very good at it says brady will be about 15%.  you post here that you think brady will be 'off the charts owned'.  i ask you why you think that.  you say because of 'vengeance narrative' and good matchup.  i suggest that perhaps the guy who comes up with the ownership projections has already considered those things, which i feel is a pretty safe assumption.

ok, so again, the question [restated for clarity] is: do you think brady will be much higher than the 15% number we've been working with all week?  if so, why?  or is it that you feel like 15% is way too high for you to use in gpps?

 
cash lineups

brady  lynch montgomery julio hogn fitz fleener walsh seat

rivers gordon montgomery juliofitz cooks ertz walsh ravens

$2 SE GPP

winston zeke kamara evans baldwin cooper brate walsh ravens

$1 GPP 

rivers anderson zeke allen cooks cooper gates walsh jags

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
Seems like an academic point as i question if anyone can accurately predict when the probability of 3x exceeds ownership percent.  If this algorithm is actually being used I have no hope.
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Not sure you have to accurately predict it, just use it as a guide with what Dodds is saying.  

A 9k player needs 27-30pts.  That's a lot on FD.  8 catches, 120yds and 2tds is 28.  Does a stud Wr get that 25% of the time? If not, I think Dodds is saying don't play them at 25% ownership in a tourney.  I am guessing you could look at game logs if you want, or just use your gut. 

I think it's relevant this week with a couple 9+k guys looking to be the highest owned in Brady and Julio. 

 
sooted72 said:
i thought my question was pretty clear, but apparently not so i'll try again...

the guy who gets paid to come up with ownership projetions and is apparently very good at it says brady will be about 15%.  you post here that you think brady will be 'off the charts owned'.  i ask you why you think that.  you say because of 'vengeance narrative' and good matchup.  i suggest that perhaps the guy who comes up with the ownership projections has already considered those things, which i feel is a pretty safe assumption.

ok, so again, the question [restated for clarity] is: do you think brady will be much higher than the 15% number we've been working with all week?  if so, why?  or is it that you feel like 15% is way too high for you to use in gpps?
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I thought you meant in the projections for performance. 

Projecting ownership is inherently subjective, so I don't know what's been included. Trying to predict groupthink is imprecise at best. I don't know what his ownership percentage will be, but I think he'll be the most-owned QB in GPP (and cash for that matter). And I think it's greater than 15% in the massive GPPs. Unless I don't see viable alternatives, I fade anyone I think is clearly (to my eye) going to be the most-owned at his position in GPPs. I see lots of viable alternatives to Brady this week, some of whom are likely to be heavily owned in their own right as far as that goes, but some I think not. 

 
I did try to trim the player pool down a tad from what I had.  Ended up with mainly Carr, Ben, and Rivers.  Healthy dose of Ajayi and Zeke, but didn't think too much about ownership at this position, and tried to get a little creative at TE and Def. 

 
Tennessee_ATO said:
FWIW, I see huge potential value in a guy like Rivers at $2200 less than Brady. 
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For sure, and it's not like you can't fit in Pats wrs if you want part of that game.  Use Rivers + Allen, then throw in Cooks and Thomas (something like that).  Still gives you that 2k so you can upgrade at Rb so you don't have to punt as much there.  

 
KarmaPolice said:
For sure, and it's not like you can't fit in Pats wrs if you want part of that game.  Use Rivers + Allen, then throw in Cooks and Thomas (something like that).  Still gives you that 2k so you can upgrade at Rb so you don't have to punt as much there.  
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Exactly. And I don't see their upside (or floor for that matter) being drastically different. But I do think Brady is far more likely to be at or near his upside than Rivers.  At $9200, tho, if he isn't at 30 I think you've squandered money with this slate. 

 
Starting to get why when I look at winners I think they look like a bunch of average salary guys.  

You can jam in Brady, Julio, and Bell, but you would have to punt a couple spots.  How likely is it that those 3 each get 30pts and the punts get enough volume to get their 16pts?  Probably more likely a roster of Rivers, Lynch, Montgomery, Allen, e.sanders all get the volume to get to their tourney pts. 

 
Tennessee_ATO said:
FWIW, I see huge potential value in a guy like Rivers at $2200 less than Brady. 
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yeah i think rivers is a great gpp play today.  gets you away from two of the highest owned players brady and gordon.  and like somebody else said you can still get other pieces of the pats offense if you want.

 
Tennessee_ATO said:
Exactly. And I don't see their upside (or floor for that matter) being drastically different. But I do think Brady is far more likely to be at or near his upside than Rivers.  At $9200, tho, if he isn't at 30 I think you've squandered money with this slate. 
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I would also assume that not all positions are equal.  I am thinking TE and K are variable enough you might not be getting 3x from them much, so positions you can predict touches more might have to pick up the slack.  Just like 2x at Qb is not enough for cash, 3x might not be good enough for gpp. I am thinking Brady needs to be pushing 33pts or so.  What is that for stats - 4tds 350 yds or so? 

 
Anybody rolling with a Case Keenum lineup today?  Tough D, but good weapons and he has had some decent games in the past.  $6K for the QB really opens up the wallet for other spots.  Should be less than 2% ownership.

 
ChuckLiddell said:
Anybody rolling with a Case Keenum lineup today?  Tough D, but good weapons and he has had some decent games in the past.  $6K for the QB really opens up the wallet for other spots.  Should be less than 2% ownership.
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My one Goff LU made me throw up in my mouth a little, not sure if I could click on Keenums name. ;)

 
KarmaPolice said:
I would also assume that not all positions are equal.  I am thinking TE and K are variable enough you might not be getting 3x from them much, so positions you can predict touches more might have to pick up the slack.  Just like 2x at Qb is not enough for cash, 3x might not be good enough for gpp. I am thinking Brady needs to be pushing 33pts or so.  What is that for stats - 4tds 350 yds or so? 
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i think there may be some faulty logic in here, but i do agree with the general principle that brady is going to need to go off to win a gpp.  hes gonna have to be qb1.  anything other than that and the people who went with the mid tier guys will all be equal at qb and have better players elsewhere.

 
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