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Edgerrin James at #5? 
Interesting. These expert drafts are sometimes entertaining.
Yeah, but I remember LAST year quite well.
Agree 150% with ya East Bay.... that Edge pick at #5 has me scratching my head as well.....suprised Priest wasn't the choice as that's who I would have taken there for sure. Nice little gift for that dude Cohen.BTW: what makes these guys "experts" other than the fact some of them either work for,own their own internet sites or are fortuante enough to play around with a hobby that we all luv.....Hmmmm....just curious cause I can think of at least 50 sharks in here, myself included, who very likely would have had better drafts than 2/3 rds of the "so called" experts in that other Fanex draft. I dunno, it just sort of makes me laugh a bit when these guys who do these mocks are considered "experts"....I know, I for one certainly don't.Anyways, in the meantime, gotta figure McCallister goes with this next pick and though this is a heavy RB league, anyone here think the wise move for this dude Habermieir(8th slot) would be to take Harrison and than swipe up a TBarber or JLewis,Dillon type on the way back....eh? I think that's the way I'd be leaning towards doing if McCallister is taken at #7......whaddayou think?-Maxie
Agreed. I'd love to go head-to-head with this group of "experts".
Maybe that's where we differ, I'd MUCH and I capitalize it much rather have Harrisson and his 1500 and likely 13-14 TD's and either a Dillon,Lewis,Tiki or even SDavis than a AGreen or THenry(how much better do you think Green and Henry are than Dillon or Lewis anyways....not much IMO) than a Moss(who the heck knows what he's going to do or TO, how's Garcia going to be or how's his head going to be as well...both of them) and either Henry or Green.Dunno, just feel that Marvin is in a tier by himself and he was a much better value pick than either Henry or Green.....just my .02 coppers.-Maxie
I'm friends from back in the day with Mike Perlow, who's picking #10, and was actually in one extremely long-running Fantasy Baseball League with him, a League of ordinary hard-core fans, and Mike never once finished so much as third.I think he got "expert" status because he worked for Stats, Inc. for a little while. He's now back on the air as a sports anchor where he does a nice job, but I guarantee you he's too busy with his real job to do the level of analysis that would qualify him as an "expert" in the minds of most people here. Plus the fact that I've got some of his money in my pocket, which just shows he can't be that much of an expert
Brian owns the winningdrive and really is a good guy. I'd bet there's many FBG staff members that are his friend. I believe Brian is a member of the Pro Football Writers Association. There must be 1000's of "writers" on the web. I only know of Brian and Chris Rito being amongst that group.The Winning Drive was a good premium site.I believe Brian switched his site to free last year, he doesn't put as much time in so that he could spend more time with his family. Didn't feel he should charge if he wasn't giving 100%......something along those lines. Please don't take this as fact, ask him yourself.He is well respected and a real good guyIf he likes Edge, and he won't be there when the draft returns he's gonna jump up and take him. IIRC Brian always drafts like that. I like that kinda drafting. I'm sure you value-guys will have your issues with it but ....BTW when I'm watching an experts draft and someone does what he just did, that brings Edge to my attention. I'd give him a second look because someone jumped up to grab him, figuring this guy knows football so there's gotta be something there. So I really like it when the Fanex boys do thatWho is Brian Hulett?
I like that too actually. Notice I said that the pick was interesting, not stupid, or idiotic or anything else derogatory. I think this season is such a crapshoot. Edge could very well be the top player of 2003. It is certainly a good offense he plays in. He has shown his ability in the past. He just has injury concerns.
Not quite sure what your trying to say but if your attempting to say that due to this guy Brian taking Edge as the #5 pick in this "experts" draft which is clearly IMO, not a good value pick with the other options he had to choose from, YOU in fact will now consider it, I think your making a big mistake as fantasy league titles are lost that way.I'm not saying not to "zig" when others are "zagging" on occassion but in the first round, you/I really have to get that pick right and no fooling around or risk taking. It needs to be a real simple and conservative type of choice from my experience and this Edge one is wacky to me. There is much more of a chance of Edge performing as a 2nd round draft choice in my view even if he plays well this season, than he will end up performing, as the middle of the first round choice he was here. Much bigger upside for quite a few of the backs that he passed over in my opinion.....that's all. IMO, this dude Brian made a big mistake not taking Holmes or McCallister or even SAlexander at that spot especially with the news coming out of KC camp thus far. And so just cause of his "expert" status, I would think it would be a major mistake of "regular Joes" like you and I to all of a sudden think about doing what he did. If anything, I see exactly what NOT to do. BTW: I would never say anything derogatory about these guys either....All I'm saying is just cause you wear the "expert monicker" either given to yourself by yourself or cause your a public figure, doesn't mean you know squatole more than you/I and so we should always think for ourselves and not follow blindly. I don't care if Edge runs for 500 yds in the preseason, he's definitly not a #5 choice in a 12 team league....no one will be able to convince me of that.-Maxie
Dunno Guru, if any dineros on the line would have changed anything but interesting to think about. I definitly don't want to read the explanation from the dude who took Edge with the 5th pick say "well, if there was money on the line I wouldn't have done that". I'm of the belief these guys have enough pride in themselves and enough competitivness to make their picks whether or not money was on the line. But that Edge pick is definitly a head scratcher as it way way too risky to have went that route especially considering the quality and upside that was available.-Maxie
Excellent point Britney seeing that if they still had that kind of feature, it could explain to some of us who are still scratching our heads as to the thought process of taking Edge at the 5 hole. Having that feature as well would also explain why Marvin is still availabe at the #11 spot when he is clearly THE #1 WR out there.Anyways, good point Spears.....nice new belly ring by the way....
-Maxie
IfIRecall (or Remember)Correctly
Not to me it doesnt Lucky. I noticed the one point per reception from the onset before my comments that it was a mistake IMO for that "expert" to have taken Edge in the #5 hole. Pass recieving RB's are nice don't get me wrong but that still doesn't mean Edge was the right play and is any less of risky choice at that slot especially with such positive news coming out of KC....-Maxie
If I Recall Correctly.As for this draft, I think many of you are really overreacting. The picks so far have been OK. There aren't any reaches. Edge wouldn't have been there with his next pick, so if he's the highest rated player on his board, it's the right pick. It seems as if you expect a set draft order, and any deviation from that is crazy. Get real, the consensus is not correct. Picking a player 3 or 4 spots ahead of where he's "supposed" to go isn't a reach. Drafting a player 3 or 4 rounds before he's supposed to go is a reach. If the draft order is so set in stone, what's the point? Why not just fill in the rosters based on the draft spot everyone gets?
I hear what your saying Unlucky and you make a few valid points. Thing is and this is my point and why I've always espoused auctions over serpantine drafts is this: For the most part, first and second rounds in snake drafts are supposed to be boring and for the most part should be almost as if its a "script"......I didn't write the rules, its just the way it is. The 3rd round going forward is what seperates the men from the boys and where a snake draft can actually become exciting cause that's where owners strategies unfold etc...However it is my opinion that in the first round, you and I BETTER not mess up and get cute and reach for picks or even in the second round. There is a different standard in my view when it comes to the first and second rounds as a player picked 3-5 places too soon there is the equivalent of a player being taken 3-4 rounds too soon when we head towards the 7th rounds and up.....you follow?? So yes, unfortuanatly the way snake drafts are set up and the script that is followed for the most part rounds 1 and 2, there is no way around it(switch to an auction so you can get anyone you want if your willing to pay the price) and so the guy who "reaches" for an Edge at the 5 spot will more than likely end up either getting hosed in the long run or he'll help another team that didn't deserve it, get a better player.....Hope you follow where I'm coming from. Your draft slot determines your options in rounds 1 and 2....no way around it. Edge should NOT have been taken where he was and this guy is likely going to get burned in the long run and some teams after him got handed some bigtime gifts....-Maxie
Thanks guys. I'm smarter because of you.
I could be wrong but I think that this league has two different drafts:This one which is going on now,and a so called analysis draft which i believe they do a month or two earlier.click hereSomeone else might know for sure, but I think thats the case.
It's more of a red flag to me. Ya do your normal yearly research and well you begin to think ya know things like player stats backward and forward and then this happens. A guy picks Edge out of order. Not as if he should check with my list first, but I ask myself why? what does Brian know?And I go to the indianapolis star, some FF sites, some other sites and rethink where I have edge rated.I may very well keep him in the exact same spot. I may bump him up a notch. It's just a sorta red flag like "hey doublecheck your research on this player".I know what you guys are saying about the first round. Personally I think Deuce is reliable so I'd go there instead. Since there's tons of research on folks 2 years after "his" injury playing real well I could debate ya on whether he's a better pick over Shaun or Moss. I mean those guys rock some weeks but others they just don't gimme the stats I want from a #1, so they're not reliable. You could bark about injuries and....yep I can see that side as well. I don't think there's anyone that's comfy with Priest. He's a "darned if ya do, darned if ya don't" guy kinda like Fred Taylor+TD before last year. Maybe Mungro and Rhodes are pushing Edge and he's improved? I really don't know why Brian made that pick as only he knows but all I'm basically saying is it sends off a red flag and makes me doublecheck.Usually, this is noteworthy stuff in rounds 5-7. Ya know from your own draft the pickings start to get slim so you may jump a little(or bite your fingernails and hang tight) at about this range. It's not usually round 1 that intrigues me so much.They had their draft live in Vegas one year, and were featured by FoxSports for a year. There's a ton of pride here with all that exposure, the money would be secondary anyway.
I disagree. You are assuming that Edge won't be the 5th best RB or better. If so, then he did mess up. If Edge is top 5 and the guy takes a lesser RB, then he messed up. It's not a reach if the player performs at or above the position he's drafted and he couldn't have been taken a round later.What if Priest plays anywhere near last year's level? Then everyone in the top 5 screwed up big time. In nearly every draft, Priest goes in the 6 spot. If you have Priest as the #1 RB, and you can't trade down, I think you are justified in drafting him as high as #1. Why would you not draft the highest rated RB on YOUR board when it's YOUR turn to pick? I'm going to start a thread on this topic since I have plenty to say.
And I imagine you'd feel the same if this guy took Jamal Lewis who some folks luv this year at the 5 spot if he has him ranked as the next RB to take on his cheat sheet....right?. With your line of thinking, NO ONE ever has a bad draft and NO mistakes are ever made.....Why do we even do analyis than or talk about who were the "reaches" of the draft or round or who were the "steals"....etc.....you know? They would all become null and void using your philosophy.-Maxie
I just read this in utter disbelief. Amazing. I guess I broke all the rules last year, taking Ricky Williams instead of Ahman Green when I had the choice of the two. Never mind that I knew Ricky would be used as he was in Norv Turner's offense. Ahman was RATED higher. In another league I got Priest. Oops, another error. The McAllister and Henry owners last year were morons as well, weren't they. They should have been snapping up Thomas Chi.To say that the 1st and 2nd rounds are SUPPOSED to be drafted 'by script' in accordance with a consensus is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read on this board. For me to blindly assume that lesser FF minds than my own (and I do not apologize for my lack of humility in believing I am better at this than the consensus crowd - I've been better at it than the crowd for over 2 decades) are going to do a better job of choosing my first 2 players than I can is to abdicate my ability to separate from that crowd other than by luck.Oh, and as for trading down, it is not always possible to trade down and still get the player I am targeting. I tried last year in one of my leagues to trade down and still get Priest. I had no takers, so I ended up taking him a few spots ahead of the consensus. How I would have been kicking myself had I taken the player I was SUPPOSED to have taken instead! I just read Maxie's post again. Just incredible. I almost don't believe someone would actually post such statements.
Listen Bruce, you can think what you want, say what you want and attempt to mock me and my fantasy football knowledge,techniques and/or thoughts...that's your perogative. My fantasy football success and knowledge is beyond reproach all humility aside....OK? I only participate in 4 leagues every year and have been doing this will be my 6th year(2 $$auctions and 2 snakes) and I've never gone a year withought winning at least one title(two of my 6 years I won 3 titles of my 4 leagues)and have NEVER finished with an under .500 record....so I must be doing something right.....eh? And these are in leagues with very savvy owners and so though I feel I shouldn't have to defend myself, I am going against it anyhow. I don't see why it is such a horrible idea as I do for the most part in the first two rounds and what I mentioned earlier to be conservative and take the highest ranked players on the board. And if those players are in the majority of what everyone else thinks.....so be it!!. If I want to take chances, I do it from 3rd round and up....simple as that. I NEVER force picks or reach for players I want but who's upside compared to who is available at that time, is right about the same but who's downside is alot greater.That is what I'm saying about the Edge pick....his upside is just about as good as the players he didn't take(Holmes,McCallister and SAlexander) but his downside is a helluvalot more and thus him being a very risky pick as the #5 overall.....I don't see why that is so hard to phathom this or why I deserve a lecture or be scolded by you, such incredulousness(others on this thread have said the same thing by the way) and such a condensending paternal type attitude by you.We are having a debate here and until your condensending and somewhat dissrespectul post from you Bruce, this has been a VERY solid thread, filled with excellent posts and nary a flame thrown. If you disagree with my line of thinking......fine. But no reason to throw such dissrespect my way as I've "walked the walk" here at FFG's and in my leagues and so attempting to flame me here is not a very condusive and productive way to make your point.-Maxie
